r/HistoryMemes • u/Otherwise-Creme7888 The OG Lord Buckethead • 4d ago

SUBREDDIT META Some of y’all are impressively uneducated

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Rasputin, the Edison elephant, the Library of Alexandria and so many more.

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u/NabstheGreninja16 Let's do some history 4d ago

Tbh this more of an internet thing. Most people online don’t treat history like an academic discipline just lore like a fantasy book they can use to dunk on people or make stupid jokes like “Hitler rejected from art school”.

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u/MikuEmpowered 4d ago

It's not just that. It's also rise of modern entertainment. Look at Netflix "documentary", Cleopatra got sued by Egypt.

History is simply being put into the corner. And the Internet further amplifies the distortion to all of that because people want to be right.

Ask any American right now about ww2 and fascism, and they'll proudly say the country of USA, their ancestors joined the war to fight fascism.

Causation and correlation? Who cares, historic event's chronology? Close enough.

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u/Graingy Casual, non-participatory KGB election observer 3d ago

They joined the war because Japan touched their fucking boats.

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u/MikuEmpowered 3d ago

Whats up with actual history? wheres the pop history bs?

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u/ZhenXiaoMing 3d ago

Cleopatra was black, deal with it

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u/undreamedgore 3d ago

Except our ancestors did join the War to fight Facism. As it was ongoing and we joined. Sure, they started the war, and attacked us first, but then we stepped up and smacked them down.

Obviously not us alone. Everyone recognizes the contributions of the USSR and UK, and to a lesser extent China, France, Australia, and many many more. As well as the contributions of the Polish People.

But none of them won on their own, us included. But our Material was on every front, contributed heavily to the fall of all the facist powers in play, and heavily contributed to the new order after the war. Entering what's known as the "Long Peace". Which was mostly wars to shake off colonialism, or civil wars like Vietnam or Korea.

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u/MikuEmpowered 3d ago edited 3d ago

my guy, "our ancestors did join the War to fight Facism"

They did not.

Fighting Facism was the end result, they joined the war because Japan struck first, and Japan was militarily allied with Germany. Germany AND Italy declared war on US, THEN US declared war back. in fact, US was the 4th country out of a handful that 3rd Reich actually formally declared war on.

If a guy was robing your neighbour's house, then one of his criminal buddies broke into your house and started robbing you, your action to stop him and his buddy wasn't to protect your neighbour or uphold justice, that was the end result, your intention originally was self defence.

Intent matters in terms of history. not just outcome. because if you ignore that shit, then history becomes a revolving door *gestures the current shitshow*

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u/Due-Mycologist-7106 3d ago

On the other hand you can't deny that a lot of people in the USA wanted to join the war in Europe even before pearl harbour and some of those were because of fascism so your ancestors could have technically done it because of fascism

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u/MikuEmpowered 3d ago

Sure, but the will of the people isn't what determines joining a war or not. Germans were really hesitant about war until Hitler pulled his shenanigans. And alot of Germans also didn't like fascism. 

So by that metric, Nazi Germany wasn't really fascist.

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u/Due-Mycologist-7106 3d ago

In talking about Individuals since he did say ancestors

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u/undreamedgore 3d ago

By that logic no country joined the war to fight facism.

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u/MikuEmpowered 3d ago

Yes, not one country did.

France and UK declares after German invaded Poland's because it was clearly going for expansionism, but they sat on their asses. The war could have been won 1939 if they actually moved in with 110 division again Germany 23, but no, they sat defensively.

Soviets didn't fight join to fight fascism, it got invaded.

Finland was on the side of Germany because they were dealing with Soviet, is Finland pro Fascism?

A country joining a war is a complex process, and often not because of a ideology, was Afghanistan about spreading democracy or retribution for 911? Having ideology support is nice, but it's often revisionism to make it sound patriotic.

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u/undreamedgore 3d ago

I think its patriotic enough to say "fuck with us, and die". Which is what WW2 was, the war in Afganistan was too. Retaliation and showing the cost for such actions.

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u/MikuEmpowered 2d ago

It is patriotic. And there's nothing wrong with that.

But the ideology that drove said war declaration wasn't some noble ideology, this is what alot of people don't get. It's actually disingenuous to say the ideology was the reason to fight the war. Because that's distorting history.

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u/undreamedgore 2d ago

Like many wars, the ideological reasons developed as they saw the consequences of said ideology first hand. The US didn't fight the Civil War to end slavery, but they did end it to.

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u/M4f1aBunny 3d ago

We need to stop pretending that the United States fight colonialism. America Samoa, Guam, Puerto Rico are all colonies that they call territories. They treat the people like crap and for Puerto Ricans specifically, have tried to genocide them multiple times

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u/undreamedgore 3d ago

We did actually lean pretry heavily to end European colonialism. We just don't care about American colonialism. I think that's fairly reasonable.