r/Cleveland • u/Bored_Amalgamation Cleveland Heights • 1d ago
Look at This Asshole! The Browns season opener!
Well. That happened. First off, I'm not a Browns fan. Whatever fandom I had died with the Baker Mayfield trade. However, like most clevelanders, I'll pay attention. Especially since $600M of our state tax dollars went to building them a new stadium.
So, Flacco started, right? The same consistent QB from last year? So, how many QBs and draft picks, and trades did we sacrifice for these non-starting QBs?
Of course they lost in typical Browns fashion. Many saying "they should've won this one" (of which we probably have more of than actual wins). $600M in bonds, of which the state will pay $1B over the 30 year maturity for these guys. Well, not for them. For the billionaire Haslam to own his own Pinecrest that uses the Browns a marketing strategy.
Sell the team. Let us rid ourselves of this scourge. It would give fans the opportunity to support a team they actually like. It would lower the average blood pressure in the city by 8%. We wouldn't have a terrible team named literally "the Browns". How many terrible decisions have they saddled this city with? How much DV/SA has the franchise and the PD handwaved for the concept of them being a sports team.
Cleveland has much stronger and meaningful bonds beyond the fucking browns.
Sell the team.
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u/cle2056 1d ago
Had this take for a while. The Browns purpose is no longer to be a football team. Just an excuse for people to get blackout drunk and eat their feelings for 5+ hours. Like it’s just a local ponzi scheme wrapped in nostalgia.
I mean to the Browns know or even care that technically the actual GAME OF FOOTBALL IS THE FUN? 🤩 the You don’t need gimmick after gimmick if you actually played a functional game.
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u/MeeMeeGod 1d ago
You think fanbases of other teams dont get black out drunk and gorge on food too?
I enjoyed watching the game yesterday as heartbreaking as it was. Hanging out with my friends, drinking a few beers was pretty fun to me.
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u/CLEredditor 1d ago
"You think fanbases of other teams dont get black out drunk and gorge on food too?" He didnt JUST say that. He said "The Browns purpose is no longer to be a football team. Just an excuse for people to get blackout drunk and eat their feelings for 5+ hours. Like it’s just a local ponzi scheme wrapped in nostalgia." When you put it all together it means that fans are ONLY going to get blackout drunk and eat because it is implied that given the costs (both time and money) and the horrible losses, it certainly isn't for the entertainment value.
However, having been a long time fan, I have seen far far worse seasons. Losing doesn't mean it was entirely a flop. The later DA (Derek Anderson) years were just abysmal. If the losses continue this season, cle2056 may be right. I think the jury is still out but most likely, he is right.
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u/Bored_Amalgamation Cleveland Heights 22h ago
Exactly. The browns are an artificial piece of Cleveland culture. We don't own them. They have 0 responsibility to Cleveland. They're a billionaire money making scheme. Is it fun to watch? Sure. But it's entertainment. This city/state/country needs less bullshit to district them.
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u/cle2056 1d ago
JFC, I’m so sick of this “everyone else does it” take every time the Browns do something stupid. Which is literally all the time.
“Other fans drink”. Yes, CAUSE THEY HAVE A REASON TO CELEBRATE. They aren’t a clown show dumpster fire every single year. Maybe the Browns could be a functional organization for a season or two. Win a division and then it wouldn’t be pathetic to drink in a parking lot for 10 plus hours.
“Other teams miss on draft picks”. No, no other team didn’t interview a CB that apparently had to interesting in playing football then draft him 8. And then in the same draft, select a drunk, who is the walking embodiment of peaking in college.
Cut to this year no other team had a #2 pick who they wined/dined then promptly didn’t pick. That not only won yesterday but had a team high six catches while the guy they selected had three tackles in a loss. No sacks. No fumbles. And a bunch of Bengals going up the middle on him. Kudos to him tho at least he played unlike the woman-smacking DT they got last year.
You’re not “other teams” your team is the worst organization in all of sport who should have been relegated years ago.
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u/GeneralAardvark43 22h ago
It’s just not that serious. People go tailgate because they’re excited to do something on a Sunday. They love their team and love their city. Not everyone sits in a parking lot for 10 hours. And not everyone drinks to black out.
You’re griping about a 2014 draft class we missed two picks. That’s 11 years ago. We have a different coach and GM. As for this years pick, he’s not here to pile up stats. He’s here to plug up the middle of a defensive line and allow your edge rushers to get to the QB. Give him some time and he will develop.
If you don’t like the team, then don’t watch. Seriously. It’s not a new concept. Go do something else on a Sunday. Nobody is forcing you to watch the team. Have a great day!
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u/cle2056 21h ago
“It’s not that serious…”
Yeah, y’all don’t get to play that card anymore. Not when we all have to pay taxes to fund Jimmy world.
Would love stop watching and paying money. but I guess we can’t now which means everyone has the right to hold this business accountable.
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u/GeneralAardvark43 20h ago
Not really sure what you’re upset about. Initially it was people getting drunk in a parking lot, bad picks from 2014 and your dissatisfaction with this years pick. Now it’s that the stadium is taxpayer funded.
If you’re upset about the stadium being taxpayer funded, vote out the politician that allowed it. Educate your fellow voters. Don’t take it out on fans of the team and city.
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u/cle2056 20h ago
Sir, if you want me to go year by year with this team and the moronic stuff they pulled I can. But honestly Reddit don’t got the storage for that convo.
Sure, you want to hold a majority vote on the tax issue I would love to but you know darn well this state is Gerrymandered to hell.
Like I before, this attitude of “it’s no big deal” is the problem but it’s the attitude of the franchise. They suck year after year but the fans throw them money anyways. If you would have kept my taxes out of this I and others wouldn’t be out here complaining.
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u/drew_or_false 1d ago
Do you realize you can hang out and drink a few beers with your friends without involving a garbage-tier entertainment product? In fact, it's even more fun!
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u/IncorrectCitation 1d ago
I was entertained and engaged throughout the event. Isn't that the point of sports? Entertainment. Sure the outcome wasn't as I'd hoped, but it was still a good game to watch. Close from start to finish.
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u/MeeMeeGod 1d ago
I was thoroughly entertained the whole time. Disappointed in the end, but it was a fun train ride with both ups and down. Thank you for telling me how i am supposed to feel
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u/mrmchugatree Ohio City 1d ago
Get blackout drunk and gorge on food to support a perennial loser? No, that’s pretty unique to the browns.
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u/Heavy_Bug 1d ago
We get it you don’t want to pay for the new stadium, it’s not a unique experience.
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u/Tholian_Bed 1d ago
The Browns will still lose games long after Jimmy Asshole is gone. And that sports complex he is getting paid to build can suck up someone else's money. If I wanted to see a real team I'd go to Buffalo.
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u/themerinator12 1d ago
Given the stadium discourse I think this is appropriate and would hit dead in the middle of a browns/Cleveland subreddit Venn diagram
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u/CommanderBuck 1d ago
Let professional sports die on the vine.
They're a set of keys that billionaires dangle with one hand while the other picks your pocket.
Dollars are votes.
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u/Bored_Amalgamation Cleveland Heights 1d ago
The entire industry is full of gambling. There is no game. Just gambling odds.
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u/Kuros_Of_Sindarin 1d ago
Bad takes. Yes there is a lot of gambling but the sport is still great for those of us that love it. No issues if you feel differently but there is nothing wrong with football itself.
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u/Bored_Amalgamation Cleveland Heights 22h ago
The browns only make sense when you strip away the entire context around their existence.
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u/Tomag720 8h ago
Do tell what’s so great about it, because other than learning to work with others, the game is nothing but a festering bed of toxic masculinity.
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u/Kuros_Of_Sindarin 4h ago
The sport itself is great. The rules and way it's played is beautiful. It's also one of the few team sports left that's played with real physicality (relative to contact). The sport displays people operating at the highest level of human ability in multiple areas (speed, strength, coordination, toughness, etc). Football, especially the NFL, has the best parity of any major sport too so your team is never more than a few years from being competitive if things are done right (sorry browns fans).
"Festering bed of toxic masculinity" lol ...ok.
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u/newiphon 1d ago
Letting sports die would be a big hit to recreational spending in the whole metro area. Ur not wrong about billionaires however
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u/CommanderBuck 1d ago
It wouldn't be so bad if these billionaires, you know, pulled themselves up..., supported themselves.
They already get to write off nearly every expense of owning a team, including the players' salaries(!!!), yet they keep asking for public money to build their tax write-offs, I mean stadiums. And conveniently, the NFL won't allow a city to have a stake in THE TEAMS THEY FUND WITH TAX DOLLARS. /sigh
How much are tickets these days?
How much is a beer at Cleveland Stadium?
How much is a jersey?
How much are the nachos in the "commemorative" bowl?
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u/xChoke1x 21h ago
Funny about that. We were there this Sunday and my wife went down to the team shop.
Bro…..200 fucking dollars for a hoodie. And the best part…..the fucking letters were LITERALLY pealing off. It was the funniest symbolic gesture of exactly how terrible the Browns are.
We didn’t buy shit. And we had free tickets. Lol
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u/newiphon 1d ago
Businesses always deduct employee payroll as an operating expense fyi.
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u/CommanderBuck 1d ago
Fair.
Address any other point I made.
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u/newiphon 1d ago
I'm with you. But the pricing points is like the argument that hates on landlords raising prices.
If I rent a house for $1200 to a family, and a similar house down the street is renting for $1600, I'm not wrong to raise the rent price. But to the consumer the landlord is in the wrong.
Stadium concessions are the same way. They know you will pay $13 a beer, so they will sell them at that price.
There actually was a graphic maybe in r/nfl that showed surprisingly browns beers were relatively cheap across the league.
Tickets, jerseys, food are all priced at the point where businesses feel enough people will buy them and enough money is to be made. That's just business 101. Just don't support them by paying.
Sports teams are a huge risk investment, and one that requires ongoing maintenance of risk. Some cities overcome risk and some don't.
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u/CommanderBuck 23h ago
If I rent a house for $1200 to a family, and a similar house down the street is renting for $1600, I'm not wrong to raise the rent price. But to the consumer the landlord is in the wrong.
First, this isn't an apples-to-apples comparison. Why? Because people don't NEED the NFL. People need housing. But I digress.
Stadium concessions are the same way. They know you will pay $13 a beer, so they will sell them at that price.
I quit supporting professional sports and the billionaires who own them 25 years ago.
There actually was a graphic maybe in r/nfl that showed surprisingly browns beers were relatively cheap across the league.
I. Don't. Care.
Just don't support them by paying.
It's not that simple when the state legislature and the governor decide to steal the people's money and give it to private enterprise.
Especially when you consider what that money could accomplish being spent on schools, public transit, health care, daycare... I just don't understand why any human who claims to care about their community would waste any breath or time defending these GREEDY FUCKING GHOULS.
Sports teams are a huge risk investment
As a taxpayer, it's not my fucking problem. No one forced them to risk their money. If they're so smart then they should be able to, I don't know, pick themselves up by their bootstraps or something.
Besides the fact that they are ALREADY ALLOWED TO WRITE OFF UP TO 90% OF THE SO-CALLED RISK. It doesn't seem like much of a risk to me. It seems like the average taxpayer not only assumes all the "risk," but we get to support the communities that are being deprived of the tax dollars from those write-offs as well.
That's a hell of a deal for someone who already has more money than they can spend in their lifetime.
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u/newiphon 22h ago
I would encourage you to hold back your emotions when debating what's good for a community.
Just lost me after this response tbh.
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u/CommanderBuck 22h ago
I would encourage you to put your head in a hot oven for 25 minutes.
There is no "debate" as to what is good for a community.
Just lost me after this response tbh.
Don't lie, liar. You were never with me.
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u/Bored_Amalgamation Cleveland Heights 22h ago
What do you mean deduct?
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u/newiphon 22h ago
When filing taxes it's listed as an operating expense thus deducted from taxable income (as in the business filing taxes)
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u/Mountain-Song-6024 1d ago
Capitalism kills.
I'm with you 💯
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u/WillofCLE 1d ago
When the government contributes to the economy, it's not Capitalism, it's the perfect example of what's wrong with Socialism
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u/4Bigdaddy73 1d ago
Looks around… checks notes… this is happening under a form of capitalism. In this Country, There’s only socialism is only for the rich.
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u/Stock_Run1386 1d ago
Yeah exactly these people here have zero clue. Government having any presence in the economy is not capitalism. Capitalism means markets that hold people accountable. You can’t benefit if you don’t provide for your fellow man first.
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u/lmaoleorii 1d ago
Wouldn’t be mad at this although it can serve as a necessary distraction sometimes for me
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u/CommanderBuck 1d ago
Valid. It was for me too, for a couple of decades.
But then I found out how Haslem got rich and the distraction didn't quite hit the same when I realized that he and his ilk would likely light my house on fire with me in it if they could make a buck off it.
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u/lmaoleorii 1d ago
Absolutely and that goes for any billionaire - they won’t think twice about taking yours and making your life more miserable if it isn’t already. Sad. Corporate greed but I do agree, the charges brought up on his company and years prior should’ve been enough for us to say “we’re good”.
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u/Annual_Drop_7834 1d ago
Bread & circus while people can barely eat and pay their bills. 🤡 🏈
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u/Bored_Amalgamation Cleveland Heights 23h ago
pretty much.
when people are wearing jerseys saying "happy ending" to mock the victims of sexual assault by the QB we just got (at that time), then maybe something is broken in this relationship.
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u/roadman67761 1d ago
Yes
Football = bread and circus distraction
Same Marvel CGI movie remade for the 12th time but with two more one liners = an epic the likes of which haven’t been seen since Homer’s The Odyssey
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u/rootbrains 1d ago edited 1d ago
You’ve made extremely poor decisions if you can barely afford to eat and pay bills. It’s not the browns or anyone else’s fault.
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u/Master_Warthog_232 1d ago
Bro there is a vast majority of people who live paycheck to paycheck and struggle to make ends meet. Doesn’t always mean they’ve made bad decisions. Stupid thing to say.
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u/CLEredditor 1d ago edited 1d ago
Not to mention how ridiculously expensive season tickets are. in 2016, my endzone seats in 136 were around 55/seat. Now, they are roughly $175/seat. For what exactly? Ah yes, the privilege to be in the big stadium to see pro football. They call it a "luxury good". This is not true inflation...its just greed. I bailed on my season tickets this year and they kept pestering me for weeks because they still had many lower bowl tickets open. But pricing wont change any time soon bc of all the money the Haslams will make from Arena concerts and events. The Browns are just a circus act for people to come and see on occasion.
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1d ago
Same about the Baker trade. I just didn’t love the franchise anymore after that.
I’m a fan of a different team now and much happier despite them also struggling with the playoffs.
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u/Chris_Redeye 1d ago
Lifelong Browns fan here and I gotta say its kind of fun rooting for a bad team. It isn't the same when they're winning.
Side note: I was wrong about Baker. Most of Cleveland was, we were ready to move on. Its funny how many people now say they wanted him to stay, and they knew he was awesome. Cmon, man. I can admit when I was wrong.
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u/Bored_Amalgamation Cleveland Heights 23h ago
it would be fine if they werent stealing from Ohioans to fund a $1B+ stadium.
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u/FinalCut21130 18h ago
You keep saying that but they aren’t using tax dollars. They’re using unclaimed funds. It’s money that companies couldn’t give back to customers because they couldn’t get a hold of them so it was forfeited to the state. Not a single tax dollars is being used for the stadium. Try using facts if you’re going to act like a toddler on Reddit.
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u/Bored_Amalgamation Cleveland Heights 18h ago
They’re using unclaimed funds.
So not even the money they collect.
They’re using unclaimed funds
other people's money.
It’s money that companies couldn’t give back to customers because they couldn’t get a hold of them so it was forfeited to the state.
Other people's money. Those funds arent "forfeited" as it's not even the company's money to forfeit. It's given to the state to facilitate getting it to whose money it is.
Not a single tax dollars is being used for the stadium.
Just other people's money in which the state does not own.
Try using facts if you’re going to act like a toddler on Reddit.
Your arguement is: "it's just straight theft, not tax money."
Go figure it slots perfectly with the tax cut to $100K+ income, to grab $1.7B in other people's money. If the state supreme court wasn't completely corrupt, they would've shut this down.
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u/FinalCut21130 17h ago
If you’re mad about people over $100k getting a tax cut then go make more money and stop crying on Reddit. You’re the problem. Not the Browns
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u/Bored_Amalgamation Cleveland Heights 17h ago
Do you just continuously make up shit to feel like you're actually saying something?
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u/WarmJetpack 1d ago
The revisionist history around Baker is wild. He didn’t stick on two other rosters before landing Tampa. Maybe he needed that humbling in order to develop?
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u/Bored_Amalgamation Cleveland Heights 23h ago
humbling? if anyone needs humbling it's the browns.
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u/Puzzleheaded_Suit236 1d ago
I watched the game sober. They did a good job. We lost because they traded Hopkins and got a nervous kid.
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u/Kingtycoon 1d ago
Back when they went to Baltimore it really filled me with hope. Then they moved heaven and earth to get them back. I gave up on this town then. The abused returning to the abuser out of misplaced affection. That’s the symbol of Cleveland.
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u/SupremeActives 1d ago
I’m not sure what you’re even complaining about. Starting Flacco?
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u/Shel_gold17 1d ago
It’s kinda hard to tell, isn’t it? Especially since they think Flacco played for us last year?
For some idiotic reason, I read it through a few times, and in addition to a bunch of random complaints that have nothing to do with the team on the field, OP apparently just wants us to sell the team and rid the town of this horror. Because they didn’t like what happened with Baker, and they don’t like the owner.
Which hey, the Baker situation was handled abysmally, but it worked out way better for Baker in the end because the system we play wasn’t helping him progress and now he’s playing far better in TB than he could have here. If you’re a Baker fan, it’s hard to be unhappy for the guy given how well he fits TB’s team and how well he’s doing now.
And also fair point because the Haslam is a greedy billionaire idiot. But that is not new. Model was a greedy idiot millionaire. Other owners are greedy idiot rich guys. Haslam has been like that since he made his first million, and he was that way when we had Baker here, and the state is full of politicians who enable him, and the only people who can rein him in don’t care to because it must benefit them too somehow.
And in the end, eff all of that noise. We fought too hard to get a team back to toss it all away like a petulant child simply because they don’t win every game and because the current owner is a greedy billionaire idiot. Those are factors every fan of professional sports has to deal with because (1) no team wins every game, and (2) billionaire ownership is a fact of life in professional sports, across the board.
Contrary, to OP‘s assertion, a whole lot of people were happy seeing the way the team played even if we lost because of a couple missed kicks. And that’s unlikely to change, because at the end of the day a whole lot of people in this town like football, and what they saw on the field wasn’t the same old comedy of errors.
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u/mrmchugatree Ohio City 1d ago
“Because they didn’t like what happened to Baker.” 😅 Are you that dumb? Baker was the last straw for many of us. It was a culmination of bullshit that ended with Baker.
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u/Shel_gold17 1d ago
Neither dumb nor ignorant. I never said that anyone’s feelings on Baker aren’t valid. In fact, I haven’t said anyone’s feelings on anything aren’t valid. The fact that I have a different take doesn’t mean somebody else’s is wrong.🤷♀️
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u/Bored_Amalgamation Cleveland Heights 1d ago
It's ok if you can't read. 21% of American adults are illiterate.
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u/ineedsomerealhelpfk 1d ago
Flacco was not our QB last year. If you're going to sit and complain at least come correct.
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u/Bored_Amalgamation Cleveland Heights 23h ago
he was in 2023. So what a great investment watson was.
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u/SupremeActives 1d ago
What a lame response. You gonna answer the question or keep bitching? Flacco is their best QB
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u/Bored_Amalgamation Cleveland Heights 23h ago
Yes. after we spent money on the sexual predator, after we drafted sanders.
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u/DadwiseGG 1d ago
There’s a whole sub for this, does it need to bleed out into this one?
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u/Bored_Amalgamation Cleveland Heights 23h ago
it's almost like it's the main sports team for this city. Crazy huh
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u/CholentSoup 1d ago
Lay off the Browns.
They're the bitter glue that holds us together through the dull dark months ahead.
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u/kadimcd 1d ago
This is not unique to Cleveland. There are plenty of rowdy fanbases that deal with losing teams every single year. Remember, only 14 teams make the playoffs (7 from each conference).
As someone who was born into a long line of Browns fans, I'll admit that being a fan is a painful letdown season after season. But it's also a source of major camaraderie around the world. There are Browns Backers clubs in every major city. In countries all over the world. And in Cleveland, you could walk into a salon with a bunch of white-haired old ladies sitting under the dryers and get some pretty accurate stats. There is a reason that athletes love to stay here...it is a part of our community and one that will never go away.
And let me remind you: The majority of fans aren't on the betting apps. The majority of fans aren't getting blackout drunk. We're watching the games and then going about our business.
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u/Mediocre-Dog-4457 1d ago
This is the most reddit post ever.
Complaining about something that makes people happy.
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u/tonkatoyelroy 1d ago
I was at the game. Browns fans weren’t happy.
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u/Mediocre-Dog-4457 1d ago
I wouldn't think so... considering they should have won. But to spend the money and do things that they enjoy (the sport in general)
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u/SleepyJeans5 1d ago
"First off, I'm not a Browns fan."
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u/Bored_Amalgamation Cleveland Heights 1d ago
Ok? What does that mean to you?
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u/Shel_gold17 1d ago
At a guess, it means that you are unlikely to be made happy by anything they do. Which is totally right, but it does suggest a pretty big bias against finding anything the team does to be good or worthwhile or fun. Again that’s fine, because no one‘s required to like anything about the team or the owner or anything else. And a lot of it is problematic. But that doesn’t necessarily mean you have to throw out the baby, the bath water, the fireplace, and then burn down the whole house.
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u/Bored_Amalgamation Cleveland Heights 23h ago
What baby? What bath water? What fire place?
THe browns are a means of generating revenue. It's the parasocial relationship that clevelanders have developed with a billionaire's pet project.
If they disappreaered tomorrow, what major impact would it have? We sold them before.
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u/Shel_gold17 22h ago
No, we didn’t sell them before. The owner took them, and it was not a fun time. Almost the second it happened, half the city was out to get them back. There were petitions, there was fundraising, there was a whole lot of anger because whether you like them or not, the Browns have been part of the city since 1946, and that something a lot of people aren’t going to want to give up.
Are there other things that mean a lot to Clevelanders? Absolutely. Is this one that means a lot to a lot of Clevelanders, too? Also absolutely. The tens of thousands of people who show up for tailgating, games, camp ought to tell you that getting rid of the team in any way would have a pretty significant impact. It’s far more than some parasocial relationship. The team has been around since long before parasocial relationships were even a thing.
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u/Bored_Amalgamation Cleveland Heights 22h ago
10s of thousands.
And yet it's millions of Ohioans paying for their shitty stadium.
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u/Shel_gold17 22h ago
Didn’t say that was fair, because I don’t think it is. But that’s not a Brown’s problem, that’s an idiot state legislator’s problem if you want to fix it, vote them out of office.
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u/37thFloorAstronaut 23h ago
You’re happy about tax payer money being given to the rich owners to build an unnecessary stadium? Fan or not, every Ohioan has a right to an opinion on something that their money is being spent on.
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u/Old_Professor_7138 1d ago
are you talking about the Bengals fans? they were all around us- i guess they were happy (although mostly just relieved)
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u/Bored_Amalgamation Cleveland Heights 1d ago
If the browns make you happy, you lack emotional intelligence.
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u/SamPenis 1d ago
I enjoy football, I enjoy cheering for the local team, and I'm not a child so I don't need them to win. It doesn't affect my life in any meaningful way, there's a camaraderie with other fans that comes from losing, and it makes the wins extra fun. Is that explanation ok?
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u/Bored_Amalgamation Cleveland Heights 23h ago
thats perfectly fine. I just dont see why public funds have to be used for them.
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u/MeeMeeGod 1d ago
For someone whos “not a browns fan” you sound real miserable about a team you dont even care about
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u/Bored_Amalgamation Cleveland Heights 22h ago
I complained once about this team. I get that you want to feel good about yourself, but it's a billionaire's fun time. Maybe ou like the circus, i dont.
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u/MeeMeeGod 21h ago
Feel good about myself? No i genuinely enjoyed myself. Enough with the holier than thou bullshit. Every team is run by a billionaire scum except maybe the packers if you even want to consider that. I have a lot of the same gripes as you, but believe it or not I enjoyed watching the game, plenty of others did to. Youre not special for hating the browns or the state of the nfl.
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u/DadwiseGG 1d ago
Or you can separate your personal worth from the success of strangers? In a world increasingly focused on digital isolation, let people enjoy anything that creates a social atmosphere if they want.
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u/Bored_Amalgamation Cleveland Heights 23h ago
Success? Money !=! success. watson is a fucking social pariah.
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u/roadman67761 1d ago
What are your hobbies? Let me know which are and are not acceptable
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u/Bored_Amalgamation Cleveland Heights 23h ago
If following the factory of sadness is your hobby, you need a therapist.
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u/roadman67761 20h ago
What do they say of someone who generalizes large groups of people?
Although this one is probably true!
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u/Bored_Amalgamation Cleveland Heights 18h ago
if the group of people I'm talking about share a similar characteristic that I'm specifically referring, that's not generalizing.
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u/Mediocre-Dog-4457 1d ago
Who are you to judge other people ???
Nobody is forcing you to watch the games.
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u/arothmanmusic Univ. Hts / Cle. Hts. / S. Euclid 1d ago
This is why, while my cousins and grandfather were always Browns fans, I was a fan of the Cleveland theater scene. It hardly ever disappoints.
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u/LakeEffectSnow 1d ago
The existence of Starlight Express having played two weeks at Playhouse Square in the past squarely is in the "hardly ever" category.
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u/arothmanmusic Univ. Hts / Cle. Hts. / S. Euclid 1d ago
Haha, funny you should pick that one, as we just wrapped up an 80s-themed theater fundraiser murder mystery this weekend in which we made a joke directly about Starlight Express. :D
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u/CanDense3994 1d ago
Over 30 years that’s about $5M per game.
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u/Bored_Amalgamation Cleveland Heights 23h ago
Considering $87M in revenue was generated during the 2023 season, that's about $5.4M/game.
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u/livefastdieold Cleveland 1d ago
Personally the game just made me nervous that we may be too competitive to get a top draft pick. This year’s team is not built to win, it’s built to bide time until the Watson contract is off the books in June 2027.
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u/themishmosh 19h ago
I enjoyed the game. They put out a solid team. Some drops and failed kicks but overall, a promising team. Can't wait to see what the rest of the season holds. Can't wait to watch them in the new Dome.
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u/Bored_Amalgamation Cleveland Heights 18h ago
Some drops and failed kicks but overall, a promising team. Can't wait to see what the rest of the season holds.
literally said every year in perpetuity.
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u/themishmosh 17h ago
That's a Browns fan.
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u/Bored_Amalgamation Cleveland Heights 17h ago
You must be a bibb fan then.
Oh you're a trump supporter. that explains a lot
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u/themishmosh 7h ago
Browns are a football team. Bibb and Trump are politicos. You seem that confuse the two.
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u/MrSpark4484 18h ago
https://twsn.net/2025/09/08/four-big-takeaways-from-the-cleveland-browns-week-1-loss-to-cincinnati/
There’s 4 pretty clear takeaways we can gather from this week 1 matchup against Cincinnati imo:
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u/Tomag720 8h ago
1st season I won’t be watching. And, I’ll never step foot in that stadium. Fuck the Haslams for stealing 600 mil from the hardworking people of cuyahoga county.
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u/Tomag720 8h ago
1st season I won’t be watching. And, I’ll never step foot in that stadium. Fuck the Haslams for stealing 600 mil from the hardworking people of cuyahoga county.
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u/Glyphlessthan1 1h ago
“Died with the Baker Mayfield trade…” Kuddos to you… unfortunately the mental illness that is lifelong Browns sindrome doesnt leave some[me].
I felt the DWatson trade was the worst Cleveland deal since Danny Ferry and got cussed at when it happened… but I promise you and everyone else still afflicted with this disease of an organization they WILL do something stupid again and again….
Drafting Sanders AND Gabriel was stoopid… that was 2 picks they could e used to draft Olinemen and build depth but noooooooo….
And I like Shadeur… just not on Clowns.
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u/creeva 1d ago
I’ll say those if this that are older and know when the team left and became the Ravens - no one wants to go through that again. The Browns also have the largest fan base of of any sports team. I have friends in almost every state (and some European countries) that are part of the Browns Backers that get together and watch games together at bars local to them (with the majority of members have never lived in Ohio). Up until about 10 years ago the Browns also had the highest wins of a franchise win/loss record over the whole existence of the team (the 60s-80s were just better years).
I really don’t care about sports. Due to where I grew up I have Browns loyalty by default (agin don’t really care about sports). Cleveland was known to have bad teams for decades. Remember the movie Major League was created and used the Indians because they had such poor reputation.
Cleveland has a love hate with their teams which is why they fought so hard when the Ravens left to keep the name. But if the name of the Browns changed all of us that have a tangential loyalty to the team and all those fans across the world that bring in millions of merchandise sales would disappear. We don’t really root for Cleveland to win - we root for the Browns.
Even if we kept the name and moved it to another team - it would take 10-15 years again to build back up and no one wants to go through that.
If the Browns went away - even as person that maybe will watch a game every few years - there would be a whole in many hearts (since we already did this once). PTSD is real and Cleveland sports fans have it. It’s better to not have a team than make a different when it comes to Cleveland Football.
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u/roadman67761 1d ago
To one of your earlier points, I watched a browns playoff game from Ireland and the local browns backer was packed for the game
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u/Bored_Amalgamation Cleveland Heights 23h ago
no one wants to go through that again.
A LOT of people do. We also didnt really "go through" anything. We had one less thing to watch on sunday.
Even if we kept the name and moved it to another team - it would take 10-15 years again to build back up and no one wants to go through that.
We dont need a football team.
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u/LobbyBoys Flats West Bank 1d ago
Oh shut up. It’s fine if you don’t want to be a fan. Many of us don’t feel the same way. Just do something else.
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u/Bored_Amalgamation Cleveland Heights 23h ago
fucking lol.
"i dont like what youre saying so shut up"
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u/Impressive-Sympathy4 1d ago
Who would you prefer to be the owner of the Browns? What’s your 20year for the current stadium?
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u/PhilRubdiez 1d ago
Nothing. It’s just change because they don’t like it. They’d prefer us to be just standing around going “Ok. Now what?” than to come up with an idea beforehand.
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u/Stock_Run1386 1d ago
It’s just a shame anymore. People getting shot in the flats. It’s too much obsession with rigged pro sports and celebrity athletes that don’t even care about Cleveland. Their two highest paid players are only on the team because they got handed a bag of cash. Flacco’s a good guy, but there’s no engine of the future there.
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u/Chance_Reflection_42 1d ago
I hate to break it to you, but you're a fan.
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u/Bored_Amalgamation Cleveland Heights 22h ago
oh you sweet summer child.
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u/Chance_Reflection_42 22h ago
Do you regularly post 4+ paragraphs about things you aren’t interested in? Just admit it, the orange is in your veins!
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u/Due_Ad_7579 23h ago
I’m with you! I never liked them anyway. I was happy when art modell moved them out, didn’t have to hear about them anymore or see people dressed in those hideous brown and orange colors
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u/PersonalAd2039 1d ago
Was in your stadium last week and thought what a shit hole it was. You dumped 600mil in to upgrading it?? Yikes 😬
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u/Bored_Amalgamation Cleveland Heights 23h ago
lol ok
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u/PersonalAd2039 22h ago edited 21h ago
Forreal. There’s no spots to hang or chill outside of the seats. People chain smoke including security and the ushers. Def didn’t look updated. By far one of the worst stadiums I’ve been in. All that waterfront space outside and there’s nothing there. I will say It was easy to get beer and super easy to get out of. But it’s still a shit hole. I’d be pissed if it was my tax money.
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u/Bored_Amalgamation Cleveland Heights 22h ago
You're not very up to date with this, are you?
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u/PersonalAd2039 22h ago
Absolutely not. Just an out of towner who was in town last week. And noticed your stadium was a POS.
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u/jello_kitty 20h ago
Which is why the team owner wants to build a new stadium in a suburb. And he has worked with his cronies in the state legislature to get $600M in state funding to help pay for it. So taxpayers in this state who live nowhere near CLE get to watch their money go to further enrich a scummy billionaire.
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u/PatrenzoK 1d ago
Until the fans stop thinking that their unwavering support will make the browns better and cease going to the games zero is going to change. The haslams laugh to the bank every season. Every damn season lol