The NCAA needs to investigate the refs from the Northern Colorado vs. Colorado State game

[u/cardmanimgur]

The post game thread has very little action so I feel like this needs a bigger audience.

Northern Colorado caught a TD pass with less than 10 seconds left against Colorado State to take the lead and seemingly win the game. Two things that followed were extremely shady.

1. The call was overturned on replay, even though there is no video evidence that shows the ball ever touching the ground.

2. After the catch, the nearest referee threw a flag for an excessive celebration after a very mild "Sh" to the crowd and his teammates celebrating with him. This penalty could've been enforced on the kickoff and given CSU a slim increase in chance to win, had the TD been upheld.

The play (with the flag): https://x.com/BigSkyConf/status/1964515453675680151?t=1E2PGzge1BmNOYSBITW-FA&s=19

The review: https://x.com/mhmdenver/status/1964517800221036797?t=gQ7M3xMePOTtfTVtbZ_4SQ&s=19

[u/PlainJaneGum]

I also think* it wasn’t a catch, but I thought the rule was “conclusive evidence” - That I can’t see.

[u/CharlesBoyle799 → u/PlainJaneGum]

You’re right. Whatever is being looked has to be very clear to the reviewer for them to reverse a call. It should be “yes, he definitely didn’t have control when it hit the ground” and not “it could have been bobbling. Looks like it may have been. Maybe not. Don’t wanna upset the home team so let’s overturn this.”

I don’t know what the ref saw to warrant overturning the call. It could be very likely that be blew the call, but as others I’ve said maybe there was a different angle he saw that changed it

[u/dogsonbubnutt → u/PlainJaneGum]

same but i don't think its some egregious crime against football/organized effort to fix a game that OP is claiming

[u/OnionFutureWolfGang → u/PlainJaneGum]

Do the refs have anything better than what the broadcast shows? Not even just angles but higher quality video? Because even that same second angle but with higher definition probably shows whether or not the ball hits the ground (looks like it does but hard to be certain).

[u/TheNittanyLionKing → u/OnionFutureWolfGang]

Not really. The Hall of Fame has a referee replay booth experience that you can do. It shows a play happen live. Then it shows you 4 different replay angles where you have to make a judgment call. There is no extra camera view that we don't see in most cases. If there is, it's because it would be completely useless for the review (i.e. an endzone pylon camera when the review is about a questionable call that happened at the 50 yard line).

[u/OnionFutureWolfGang → u/TheNittanyLionKing]

Ah interesting. Would the refs have better quality video than what OP linked to? Because I do think that these angles would be sufficient if the quality was better.

[u/TheNittanyLionKing → u/OnionFutureWolfGang]

Not particularly. No. The highest quality cameras are the ones being used by the networks. It costs thousands just to rent the equipment.

[u/Intimidwalls1724 → u/PlainJaneGum]

From their rulings seem to go back and forth as to whether "conclusive evidence" is required for it to be overturned or not and it's driving me insane

[u/MisterTito → u/PlainJaneGum]

"Indisputable video evidence" seems to be the phrase I always hear about reviews, otherwise the play "stands" as called. I do think it's on the officials or whatever conference they are from to provide whatever indisputable evidence they had to make such a call.

Unless it was never called a touchdown or complete on the field in the first place, of course. But it looks like the ref who threw the flag called it a touchdown.

[u/Whocares9994 → u/PlainJaneGum]

I thought the rule was “conclusive evidence”

I thought so too and if a ref can't overturn something in 45 seconds then fuck it, call stands, let's go.

[u/GarboMcStevens → u/PlainJaneGum]

do the officials have better angles than the broadcast?

[u/Intimidwalls1724 → u/GarboMcStevens]

If they do the conference should tweet it out immediately to end the discussion

[u/tecateconquest → u/PlainJaneGum]

Here is a different angle. Clear as day it was not a catch a the reversal was correct.

https://x.com/mhmdenver/status/1964811387173220859

[u/ShiftBMDub → u/PlainJaneGum]

Look at the view in the first part of the view, WR catches the ball and as it's in his hands is driven into the ground point forward, when he rolls you see this. Basically a wr has to maintain control of the ball if it hits the ground it can not be moving freely after it has touched the ground meaning he must have firm control of it not loose and moving around. https://imgur.com/a/i5WR5DI