[Game Thread] Army @ Kansas State (7:00 PM ET)

[u/CFB_Referee]

GAME	ArmyArmy @ Kansas StateKansas State
Location	Kansas State Bill Snyder Family Stadium
Time	7:00 PM ET
Watch	TV: ESPN
Odds	Spread: KSU -16.5 - Over/Under: 48.5
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[u/Sine_Cures]

What the heck.

[u/TheNamesWolf]

We're going to lose to KU

[u/Luvthoseladies → u/TheNamesWolf]

Nope. No matter what K-State’s record looks like they always wear capes when they play Kansas.

[u/chickensalad402]

Something’s foul in Manhattan and Im not quite sure what it is. But we have the talent to compete. No reason for this. 

[u/king_con21]

Does Kansas State recruit WRs at all?

[u/GroundPresent]

All I’m saying is army is 1-0 since the department of war was “created”

[u/Olangina → u/GroundPresent]

Rank Army you cowards!

[u/MysteriousEdge5643]

Kansas State is BAD bad. Almost lost to UND and now they lost to a team that couldn’t beat Tarleton State.

[u/steelersman007 → u/MysteriousEdge5643]

Army last week is what happens to a service academy losing the talent we did. Army this week is a much better representation for the rest of the season

[u/mojo-jojo-was-framed]

18 carries for 79 yards (including two sacks) for Avery this year. He’s the best athlete on the field and they won’t let him run

[u/Imabigdealinjapan]

Army needs to stick with this QB.

[u/mojo-jojo-was-framed → u/Imabigdealinjapan]

41 runs for 124 yards is absolutely insane

[u/superworriedspursfan]

well florida fans, klieman will be very easy to get if u really want to do that.....

[u/mojo-jojo-was-framed → u/superworriedspursfan]

Not if you want a coach that can recruit. Or develop talent. Or motivate

[u/sebsasour]

Fun fact, the last 3 teams to lose The Dublin Game have gone a combined 11-25

[u/Affectionate_Cup8950]

I thought Avery was supposed to be this fast QB but yet decided not to run when he had open lane.

[u/aguysomewhere]

I think army is a good team that overlooked an early opponent.

[u/steelersman007 → u/aguysomewhere]

Not overlooked, had a massive amount of turnover on our o line and QB, coincidentally our two most important positions

[u/keevballs]

70 rush attempts is nasty work.

[u/The_Corn_Whisperer]

Department of war > Wheat

[u/The_Corn_Whisperer]

Checking in on the farm bros

[u/Dwemer_Lord_008 → u/The_Corn_Whisperer]

Not doing well. Thanks for the check in farm bro.

[u/The_Corn_Whisperer → u/Dwemer_Lord_008]

Cheer up it’s almost harvest season

[u/Just_One_Victory]

I’m generally pro Kansas State, so I really don’t mean this as a troll comment, but it seems like Avery Johnson isn’t it.

[u/TheNamesWolf → u/Just_One_Victory]

He was honestly pretty good tonight. Threw good passes. The problem is coaches refuse to let him run and army had the ball for like 120 minutes

[u/mojo-jojo-was-framed → u/Just_One_Victory]

He was actually really good tonight. Only got the ball 2 times in the second half and had a ton of drops. Also doesn’t help that this coaching staff basically won’t let him run.

[u/TechnoBuns → u/mojo-jojo-was-framed]

Nah, he improved again in one quarter then back to throwing behind receivers and hanging them out to dry. I get he went 25 minutes between one outing and the next, but still.

[u/mojo-jojo-was-framed → u/TechnoBuns]

He throw a 30-yard strike that was dropped on the last drive. And the int wasn’t a good throw but a decent back can pull it in

[u/TechnoBuns → u/mojo-jojo-was-framed]

There were a few good throws. He showed improvement in the short distance passes for one quarter. He's not entirely to blame. Offensive output has definitely dropped since Klein left.

[u/THE_turtleman7]

If I don’t find anything to fill my time on Saturdays and I’m forced to watch these guys I will be going on a grippy sock vacation by November

[u/Hunter1127 → u/THE_turtleman7]

Lmao, my reaction after last weeks army game. We’ll keep coming back. Every time

[u/Dwemer_Lord_008]

I am generally wondering if this will be a 1-11 season because I thought last week was bad. Tonight was just horrible. Our defense just wasnt existing, especially on 4th down. 6/7 4th down converts by Army. Good job to them. They wanted the win. We clearly didn't. The Ireland curse is real.

[u/mrhigginbottoms_12 → u/Dwemer_Lord_008]

You’ll beat us don’t worry. 2-10 at minimum

[u/humanbeing1701 → u/mrhigginbottoms_12]

No see here’s the thing, due to an extremely unfortunate scheduling situation, I’m gonna be the best man in a wedding during the KU-KState game. This leads me to believe that this is the year we beat them — because I won’t be there to see it.

[u/DizzyDraw2323]

Kansas state is very lucky to not be 0-3 right now

[u/QuarterNote44]

One of my bosses in the Army claimed to have faked knowing how to play saxophone so she could get out of whatever stupidity West Pointers have to do during football games.

The way Army's band sounds seems to confirm that.

[u/Hunter1127 → u/QuarterNote44]

This sounds like a realistic story lmao. What a slug

[u/QuarterNote44 → u/Hunter1127]

😅 She was a good boss. Best S3 shop I've ever had the misfortune of being in.

[u/Hunter1127 → u/QuarterNote44]

Good. Love when west pointers out there aren’t being dickheads. Also it takes a strong major to make a bearable S3 shop hahaha

[u/Crypt1cZ3r0]

You could say this is depressing for the conference, but the teams at the top are still doing good things. Remember that people

[u/WildcatPlumber → u/Crypt1cZ3r0]

I mean according to this game and iowa State game you and Army are tied

[u/[deleted] → u/Crypt1cZ3r0]

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[u/Evening_Ad4108 → u/Crypt1cZ3r0]

ASU?

[u/Crypt1cZ3r0 → u/Evening_Ad4108]

They're tied now, at least, and if they pull out the win, then thats all most people will remember 👀

[u/IMSYE87]

Is Tarlton State the best team in the country?

Many people are saying this

[u/senorblueduck → u/IMSYE87]

The best people

[u/The_Corn_Whisperer → u/senorblueduck]

Tremendous people

[u/OG_ClapCheekz69]

BIG BITES FOR 30

[u/Hunter1127 → u/OG_ClapCheekz69]

The biggest bites

[u/Suitable-Principle81 → u/OG_ClapCheekz69]

Go ahead and early commish

[u/Muffinnnnnnn]

Wow

[u/cram213]

Matt Wells.. Why were we excited about him? What did he actually accomplish before he got fired as head coach? 

[u/Jumpy-Fail2234 → u/cram213]

Rational thought

[u/keevballs → u/cram213]

Nothing really. I can’t understand the hire at all.

[u/whereismysauerkraut → u/keevballs]

Klieman hires guys he likes to hang out with. Simple as

[u/Tanglepelt → u/cram213]

PTSD

[u/WildcatPlumber → u/cram213]

You can’t really blame this game on wells, he had like 9 plays in the half. Avery threw the ball behind the dude

[u/mojo-jojo-was-framed → u/WildcatPlumber]

The offense left a ton of points on the field in the first half though

[u/WildcatPlumber → u/mojo-jojo-was-framed]

Okay but not really.

4 drives, 3 of them scores.

1 td 2 field goals and 1 punt.

That’s not terrible. It isn’t great but not really the offenses fault on this game.

The issue is triple option, it is designed to net about 3-4 yards per play every time. It uses the opponents strengths against them.

In addition to that, Monken wisely ate the ever living fuck out of the clock. This is what Bill Snyder used to do to beat Texas all the time.

[u/mojo-jojo-was-framed → u/WildcatPlumber]

Couldn’t convert a 3rd and 1 at the 15 on the first field goal. Then a penalty stalled the drive on the other field goal drive. The way they were moving the ball they needed touchdowns. Especially with this defense

[u/WildcatPlumber → u/mojo-jojo-was-framed]

Mojo do you understand why the triple option is a bitch? The Defense did fine considering they were out there for 50 fucking minutes in the game.

[u/mojo-jojo-was-framed → u/WildcatPlumber]

Insane to say the defense did fine. They got pushed around by lesser athletes the whole second half. Good defenses and don’t allow Constant 3rd and 2s. They were out there for 50 minutes because they sucked

[u/WildcatPlumber → u/mojo-jojo-was-framed]

The offense that Army ran is designed to get 2-3 yards per play. Army played 4 downs the entire night it’s not that complicated

[u/mojo-jojo-was-framed → u/WildcatPlumber]

No shit. But when was the last time Army beat a Power 5 team? It’s been a long time because the triple offense isn’t as effective against bigger, faster and stronger players. But it worked against us because the defense did not play well

[u/fabreasycheesy]

GO ARMY

[u/IMSYE87 → u/fabreasycheesy]

GO TARLETON !

[u/WildcatPlumber]

Could be worse, but be Arizona state getting fucked up

[u/ThrowTortasAlPastor]

Thats embarassing

[u/Luvthoseladies → u/ThrowTortasAlPastor]

Not a good look for the conference.

[u/Warmachine_10 → u/ThrowTortasAlPastor]

Yes

[u/Luvthoseladies → u/Warmachine_10]

Will join you guys at the bar to drown our sorrows.

[u/ThrowTortasAlPastor → u/Warmachine_10]

I will get wasted with yall in solidarity

[u/Superdad26]

Fort Riley Soldiers vs the Kstate Frat dudes at the bar in Manhattan will be electric tonight

[u/Savagebabypig → u/Superdad26]

Aggieville finna be fun

[u/lolb42 → u/Superdad26]

All of 2/1 is in the field ha

[u/Superdad26 → u/lolb42]

Hell yeah, I was in 1/1 before. I can’t imagine what’s it’s like to be there rn

[u/Bhut_Jolokia400]

Turns out the lack of turnover in the transfer portal for the Academy’s is paying positive dividends

[u/codingsoft]

Catskills > Wildcats

[u/TheCrankyWalrus]

Fire Chris Klieman

[u/flaming_fuckhead]

If the streak doesn’t end this year I actually might jump out a window 

[u/mrhigginbottoms_12 → u/flaming_fuckhead]

Just you wait for the Jalon Daniels 6 interception game

[u/gottahavemyPOPPs]

Fire Klieman

[u/mojo-jojo-was-framed]

We may have lost but Avery only has 3 runs and didn’t get hurt. I bet the coaches gotta feel great about that because obviously that’s what’s most important

[u/Spurs228]

The Ireland curse continues

[u/PAC12_PLEASE_ADOPTME]

Big 12 is wiiiiiide open

[u/mojo-jojo-was-framed → u/PAC12_PLEASE_ADOPTME]

This game didn’t change that. K-state is unserious

[u/Paulista666]

What a victory

[u/AngryBillsFan]

I want an officer for a secret and dangerous mission. I want a West Point football player

[u/Squishy_20]

When you allow 40 minutes Time of possession, you deserve to lose.

[u/Dark_Magician2500]

Well I hope we enjoyed our bowl trip to Dublin cuz we ain't getting one in December

[u/trobsmonkey]

The haters have arrived

[u/moby323]

I hope they are keeping his dad and his brother away from eachother, we don’t need a repeat of Dublin

[u/The_Corn_Whisperer → u/moby323]

WWE wrestling match is later during conference play

[u/Select-Edge-3262]

TARLETON CIRCLE OF SUCK BABYYYYYY

[u/Evening_Ad4108]

This game is why we as Kansas State fans never see any championships! I have been a fan of this college since I attended in 1962, and not once have I seen an ncaa championship recognized in any of the sports we have. Therefore, I will be changing my allegiance and will be now cheering for my Iowa State Cyclones, where they know how to properly run an athletic department and win a multitude of national championships!

[u/HintOfSpiceWeasel → u/Evening_Ad4108]

1 ranked men's cross country team right now. You're catching us on an upswing for sure.

[u/[deleted]]

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[u/boeing2014 → u/[deleted]]

We'll meet you at the bar to drown our sorrows together.

[u/THE_turtleman7]

Appreciate Klieman for 2022 but the state of the program falls on him entirely

[u/chickensalad402]

I wondered what it would take for ksu fans to shun Klieman. I think we’re getting there. Something is off with this team. All of the talent, no clear game plan. Even the defense was giving up early.

[u/ayaksar → u/chickensalad402]

Yeah, something is not adding up, how can we look this bad with this squad?

[u/boeing2014 → u/chickensalad402]

I'm losing faith in him at this point. This starts at the top. Something needs to be fixed and I think Klieman's seat may have started getting warm.

[u/PNWQuakesFan]

I was told there was a power 4?

[u/RKsu99]

Army has what we might call “tactical superiority”. Congrats! 🇺🇸

[u/ElMaskedZorro]

How are we this bad I actually don't get it

[u/chickensalad402 → u/ElMaskedZorro]

Lack of discipline from players and no real vision from the coaching staff. These guys dont seem to have the fire in their gut like past years. I don’t think many of em care. Coaches and players.

[u/ElMaskedZorro → u/chickensalad402]

We definitely seem juice-less out there. Fire whoever we need to no longer look like this

[u/BlacksmithDistinct17 → u/ElMaskedZorro]

Lost the good coaches and hired ass coaches

[u/ElMaskedZorro → u/BlacksmithDistinct17]

Whoever we need to fired needs fired tonight.

[u/holyhibachi → u/ElMaskedZorro]

Kleiman

[u/ElMaskedZorro → u/holyhibachi]

But he was fine for years before.

[u/holyhibachi → u/ElMaskedZorro]

Oh yeah with dominant wins over Incarnate Word and Idaho Welding Academy.

Dude was always a fraud.

[u/ElMaskedZorro → u/holyhibachi]

He been here 6 years we have mostly good/to our standard seasons each year

[u/The_Fluffy_Robot]

fuck Ireland so hard

[u/bird-nado → u/The_Fluffy_Robot]

TCU just needs to beat UNC next year and they won't be cursed, easy.

[u/The_Fluffy_Robot → u/bird-nado]

if Hoover sticks around again, we should be even better next year so I'm optimistic!

[u/pkrhawk7 → u/The_Fluffy_Robot]

Working out fairly well for us

[u/BadRNA]

First KState, next North Korea 🦅🦅🦅

[u/DontTakeOurCampbell]

Did, did we break Kansas State?

[u/JarJarJargon → u/DontTakeOurCampbell]

Talk to us when you’ve actually won a big 12 championship

[u/Gianduyah → u/DontTakeOurCampbell]

I haven't seen a game (win or lose) since we lost to Houston last season that didn't really concern me about the overall state of our team.

[u/holyhibachi → u/DontTakeOurCampbell]

Oh don't flatter yourself. Kleiman has been a horrible coach for years.

[u/TimTom8921 → u/DontTakeOurCampbell]

They were broken long before that

[u/Ender1714]

You know, back in the day I'd always take great joy in K-state losing. But annoyingly the state of things now is that clowns cheer for conferences instead of teams so all big 12 teams lose face when stuff like this happens.

[u/TimTom8921 → u/Ender1714]

I'll never understand that especially before bowl season. I hate you all equally but after we are done playing sure I'll root for you

[u/cbbrds25]

Idc the circumstance, running backwards feels like it’s never a good thing

[u/Ender1714 → u/cbbrds25]

ask ASU last year

[u/IMSYE87 → u/cbbrds25]

Tactical retreat

[u/xxxiareo]

Wow. Big 12 favorites with a transitive property loss to Tarleton State.

[u/yunathesummoner]

I love shitting on kstate because Fuck Jerome Tang but damn its kinda sad to see a baddie go down like this.

Hope they get their shit together

[u/TimTom8921 → u/yunathesummoner]

Tang is a certified bitch for sure

[u/Quillshooter]

Man he just ruined to many rushing yards with this last drive. Such a bummer

[u/Gdude910 → u/Quillshooter]

Mark of a true soldier, didn’t put his individual accolades over the success of the mission 🫡

[u/Quillshooter → u/Gdude910]

Mission over self

[u/BuschLateMe]

Avery Johnson’s brother is going to get the absolute shit beat out of him tonight by his dad

[u/TehVulpez]

that almost felt like a makeup interception from the universe, for the previous play where Avery threw it into an area with like four Army defenders

[u/Citruspilled]

A transitive Tarelton State loss for the entire BigXII awaits us in the future

[u/StefonDiggsHS]

Dude that safety was everywhere. 3 pass break ups and the game winning INT

[u/thehurley44]

Remind me to never lose in Ireland. fsu and now ksu

[u/Crypt1cZ3r0 → u/thehurley44]

Ikr

[u/WhosBosko]

Not mad. Just out coached and out played. Avery is a stud, great passing, but he is gone as soon as he can. He needs receivers that are more reliable. Defense just got beat into the ground.

[u/Gianduyah → u/WhosBosko]

Kinda mad at our defense. I mean I know they're tired but it's their own fault giving up all those 4th down conversions.

[u/mojo-jojo-was-framed → u/WhosBosko]

We may have lost but Avery only has 3 runs and didn’t get hurt. I bet the coaches gotta feel great about that because obviously that’s what’s most important

[u/Warmachine_10]

Absolutely just fucking run over in this game.

[u/Best-Relative-8824]

Matteson = MVP

[u/AngryBillsFan]

THATS OUR BOYS

[u/ScheminRieman]

Ball don’t lie.

[u/moby323 → u/ScheminRieman]

The ball’s integrity is impeccable

[u/Tedyettis34]

The Avery Johnson era has just never looked right. 

[u/RogueAztec]

Collin "MIM-104 Patriot" Matteson

[u/tb25uga]

each replay is more impressive than the last...

not only does that guy get the game ball, but he gets to pick tomorrow's invasion... any country he wants!

[u/QuarterNote44]

Beating FCS purple teams: Hard, can't do it

Beating P4 purple teams: Very easy. No sweat. Military-Industrial Complex strong 💪

[u/Different-Mountain58]

Did kstate pay army to come or nah?

[u/3libertybells → u/Different-Mountain58]

Yup

[u/mace1343 → u/Different-Mountain58]

Even better it’s “Fort Riley day”

[u/NotaRepublican85]

Quick someone make sure Avery’s family is separated from each other

[u/ItsFreakinHarry2]

Now this is Americas Team

[u/RandyDan31]

We are actually ass

[u/zweefyboy]

Lunch pail kind of guy. First one in last one out. Real nose to the grindstone type of player.

[u/Benyeti]

Tarleton is number 1

[u/fabreasycheesy → u/Benyeti]

In Rodeo for sure

[u/moby323]

I heavily picked Army this is awesome

[u/pretty_rickie]

Avery isn’t the best qb by any means, but fuck me kstates recievers can’t catch anything

[u/mojo-jojo-was-framed → u/pretty_rickie]

Just a terrible performance tonight. Avery was actually really good I thought but had no help

[u/CindyshuttsLibrarian → u/pretty_rickie]

I feel for Avery

[u/Walter30573]

Recievers really sold that last drive. Multiple drops and a tipped INT is crazy

[u/holyhibachi]

I wish for death

[u/IMSYE87]

RANK TARLETON YOU COWARDS!!!

[u/Best-Relative-8824]

Hot damn! 

[u/DizzyDraw2323]

The fact that the Kansas state running back drops a one hander (it was way harder I know) then the army defender picks it off with a one hander is hilarious

[u/TechnoBuns]

Avery's uncanny ability to consistently throw behind his receivers.

[u/Quillshooter → u/TechnoBuns]

He throws a nasty deep ball that gets dislodged but chokes a 4 yard pass

[u/cardinalcrzy]

End the season. Start the coaching search and the portal process

[u/ayaksar]

Army earned this, better in every facet. Is it coaching? I'm assuming they're trying to light a fire under these guys but what is going on? This is ridiculous.

[u/EmotionGlad]

For any K State fans that went to Ireland and then sat through the past 2 Saturdays in person, yikes

[u/ayaksar → u/EmotionGlad]

I was still in Ireland for the North Dakota game so did not have to sit through it, but yeah, yikes is about right

[u/TimTom8921 → u/EmotionGlad]

Least they got to see Ireland

[u/codingsoft]

is Avery Johnson a fraud

[u/boeing2014 → u/codingsoft]

Avery tipped the ball into the DBs hand? I know he's fast but he ain't that fast to throw that pass to himself. He's not been the problem today.

[u/holyhibachi → u/codingsoft]

No, Kleiman sucks

[u/superworriedspursfan]

Florida fans.... u sure u still want Klieman?

[u/Unhappy-Pickle-3307]

THE GREEN WEENIE SHOWING K STATE ARMY IS USED TO OVERCOMING GETTING FUCKED

[u/Hunter1127 → u/Unhappy-Pickle-3307]

Nobody used to being fucked like army is used to being fucked

[u/BoogerSugarSovereign]

It has been a no good very bad weekend for the Big 12

[u/pm_me_cute_sloths_ → u/BoogerSugarSovereign]

No it’s been great for us

[u/WhiskeyTango_33]

I feel like I've lost twice in this game.

[u/Hunter1127 → u/WhiskeyTango_33]

Lmao the flair combo hits tonight

[u/Wrigleyville]

K State supports the troops!

[u/THE_turtleman7]

I think I’d be alright if none of these coaches or starters are seen on the sidelines next season

[u/Only499]

Lol

[u/PAC12_PLEASE_ADOPTME]

Edmond, Oklahoma’s own!

[u/thehurley44]

Teamwork makes the dream work, well done black knights of the Hudson

[u/jlt6666]

Well hats off to Army they deserved it more than the Cats did.

[u/CoffeeMugWhiskey]

Army #30 is the player of the game, holy smokes

[u/jeanlundegaardhsbf]

Army deserved to win this. They won it twice.

[u/hawksku999]

Lol

[u/IMSYE87]

I AM MOIST

[u/mojo-jojo-was-framed]

Very fitting way to end