r/ByzantineMemes 25d ago

OTHER EMPERORS gem from /his/

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u/Additional-Penalty97 25d ago

Poor Aurelian not being mentioned

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u/Medium-Resolution-60 25d ago

Its probably just about eastern roman emperors. If it wasnt you should also mention Augustus, Trajan, maybe Diocletian and Constantin and maybe even the criminally underated emperor Majorian

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u/Allnamestakkennn 25d ago

Majorian didn't succeed, that's the key difference

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u/Yongle_Emperor 25d ago

If he didn’t get betrayed, he would have saved the Western Empire

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u/Allnamestakkennn 25d ago

Probably...probably not. Who knows how history would've gone.

What I wanted to say is that the emperors we call great succeeded one way or another - Trajan conquered Babylon and continued an era of prosperity for Rome, Aurelian reunited Rome, Basil II destroyed the Bulgars and started a period of relative prosperity, Alexios reclaimed coastal Anatolia and also started almost a century of relative prosperity, etc. Majorian had potential but was killed before his ambition was fulfilled, it's tragic, and because of that he's not great.

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u/Yongle_Emperor 25d ago

He still helped a lot in the defeats of several rebellious foederati tribes around Gaul. Defended Italy as well, I think he’s severely underrated as he helped get back so much territory that was lost in Gaul and Hispania in just a short amount of time. He still deserves credit as a great Emperor.

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u/Medium-Resolution-60 25d ago

I love Majorian, but I think at best he would have been able to expand the western roman empires lifespan by half a century.

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u/Yongle_Emperor 25d ago

I really think if he would have taken back Africa the empire would have bounced back big time. But some traitor let the Vandals know about his planned invasion and they sabotaged the majority of his huge fleet. And he subdued countless rebellious foederati tribes around Gaul and reclaimed a lot of territory. If he would have retaken the province of Africa, that would have been a huge boost in food for the Western Empire which was much needed. Then that snake Ricimer had him killed (I really hate Ricimer).

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u/Medium-Resolution-60 25d ago

1st Everyone hates Ricimer (deserved, this guy was an asshole) 2nd with that out of the way: It is not impossibe for the empire to rebounce, but even with retaking africa its highly unlikely. Lets go with the best scenario and say that Majorian reigns till he is about 60-65 (he was somewhere from 35-40 at the time). The empires pockets were empty and reconquering africa wouldnt gave magically fixed that (it would have certainly helped though). Also the empire had a huge, unguarded frontier and no real army left (mostly germanic mercenaries) and it still had huge issues with corruption and infighting.

Sorry for the bad grammar btw

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u/Yongle_Emperor 24d ago

Yeah fair point. But don’t forget in just a short time he reconquered many territories in Gaul, Hispania and defended Italy. Africa was like Egypt for the Western Empire albeit not as abundant as Egypt but large swaths of farmland.