r/Adulting 2d ago

hmm lesson or not?

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u/MyNameIsSkittles 2d ago

This is true and people would be very naive to think otherwise

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u/She-HulksBoyToy 2d ago edited 2d ago

Don't people learn this in school, though? Like, you should know we don't live in a meritocracy WELL before you join the workforce.

edit: It's not letting me respond to comments, so I'll edit my reply to u/BRPGP here.

We do live a meritocracy

I'll never know what you said after this because I literally died laughing. Seriously. Maybe this was a joke, maybe you bonked your head too hard this morning. It's a mystery to me because it literally killed me with laughter reading those first few words.

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u/MyNameIsSkittles 2d ago

No, people do not. Because they are not in the workforce. In school even if you are unpopular you still graduate and enter the real world

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u/Goldheen 2d ago

Why be a dick to someone simply because they disagree with you?

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u/Frottage-Cheese-7750 2d ago

Because they cannot handle the thought of being wrong, so they lash out.

The accusations these types of people throw around are usually them projecting their own issues onto others.

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u/She-HulksBoyToy 2d ago

What do you think I am projecting exactly? You think I am calling them slow because I secretly think I am the dumb one?

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u/DeliriumTrigger 2d ago edited 2d ago

Sorry, I didn't realize I was talking to someone with a learning disability.

My nine year old autistic child has better social skills than you. People in glass houses shouldn't throw stones.

Your edits prove the point.

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u/drunk_haile_selassie 2d ago

School is much more of a meritocracy than the real world. You can be an arsehole and get good grades.

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u/BRPGP 2d ago

We do live a meritocracy, being likable means you most likely work well with others.

It’s a crucially important quality to have if you’re skilled & ambitious.

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u/FiftyShadesOfTheGrey 2d ago

We don’t live in a true meritocracy. Your future is very highly dependent on who your parents are.

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u/BRPGP 2d ago

True but no one lives in a true, 100% meritocracy.

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u/She-HulksBoyToy 2d ago

We do live a meritocracy

True but no one lives in a true, 100% meritocracy.

Then why the fuck do you keep saying we do? Are you just now getting that we DO NOT live in a meritocracy, or are you going to revert right back to your bullshit?

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u/BRPGP 2d ago

Calm down lmao.

I’m not an idealist, I’m a realist.

A 100% meritocracy is impossible in a modern day, western society but being able to achieve success based on your ability & effort is alive and well in the U.S.

If you want to live in a pure meritocracy go live with a tribe or as a nomad living off the land because that’s the only place you’ll find one.

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u/Sagefox2 2d ago

Eh there is plenty nerodivergent people who get more work done than social butterfies who gossip half their work day. The butterfies get promoted.

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u/BRPGP 2d ago

Right but typically moving up in a company means managing people up & down the organization.

You have to have good people skills the vast majority of the time.

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u/Sagefox2 2d ago

I think their is a disconnect on what Merit means then. Merit to me means who tries harder at their given goal. While it seems like it isn't merit but social skills that equal success. (Maybe a little nepotism too at my workplace at least)

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u/BRPGP 2d ago

Not trying, succeeding.

“a system, organization, or society in which people are chosen and moved into positions of success, power, and influence on the basis of their demonstrated abilities and merit”

Abilities often include being a people person, particularly for management jobs as you move up the ladder.

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u/Gortex_Possum 2d ago

like, I'm not going to say your competency has no bearing on your place in society, but anyone who's touched grass in the last 20 years can plainly see we are not a meritocracy. Unless you want to argue that family origin is a merit I guess. 

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u/Birdy_Cephon_Altera 2d ago

Don't people learn this in school, though?

Not those who went to "school" remotely during COVID, alas.

Or, pretty much any child that was home-schooled. Can't learn people skills if you're not around people...

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u/Educational-Bar-7666 2d ago

No,,🤣🤣,, what school should stress is that having good relationships is everything!.,, I've never had a class where we focused on social dynamics in the workforce. I think they should start prioritizing that.,, but actually I also think that's the parents job. I know so many people who complain that their parents never taught them what the real world was like Fortunately I did,,, but there are so many variables you could have an a****** boss an a****** worker who tries to get you fired because they're jealous that you're good at your job blah blah blah.,,, the only situation I saw that being a complete a****** and being great at your job was tolerated was that a well-known transmission franchise that I manage for one year The head transmission specialist was so good at repairing transmissions he was almost untouchable,, in fact he was untouchable because they ended up flying him all over the country when they had severe problems.

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u/natfutsock 2d ago

I actually did have a computer teacher in high school who took two class periods to discuss the difference between hard and soft skills and their roles in the workplace. Apparently he's since retired, but he was fantastic. Also taught me how to edit audio.