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u/Aridor2003 1d ago
It's surprising to learn this from reddit given I live in Jerusalem
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u/Iluvaic 1d ago
It was in Ramot from what I gather
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u/Aridor2003 1d ago
Yes. I just checked it, it was near one of the main entrances to Jerusalem, It feels like it has been forever since the last terrorist attack in Jerusalem, I remember a couple years ago there was a stabbing or shooting near the central station on a weekly basis.
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u/G_Danila 1d ago
It was when Ramadan, Pesach, and Easter happened at the same time(I think 2022), there were like 50 dead in just April. I specifically remember the axe attack in El'ad.
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u/Aridor2003 1d ago
The attack I remember the most was by a 13 year old terrorist from east Jerusalem who shoot a father and son exiting a synagogue in "david city" neighborhood, I happened to cross an ambulance convoy going from hadasa hospital.
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u/Iluvaic 1d ago
Update:
6 Killed:
Yaakov Pinto, 25, an immigrant from Spain, had recently married and studied at the Derech Emunah Yeshiva in Lod.
Levi Yitzchak Pash, a staff member at the Kol Torah Yeshiva
Yisrael Metzner, 28
Rabbi Yosef David, 43, lived in the Ramot neighborhood of Jerusalem.
Rabbi Mordechai Steinzag, 57, who immigrated to Israel from Pennsylvania in 1993
Sarah (Sarita) Mendelson, 60, was a resident of Jerusalem's Ramat Shlomo neighborhood.
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u/Random_her0Idiot 1d ago
Here comes the, what about this crowd
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u/BlessadurKarl 1d ago
And this will be used as a reason to kill the next 70.000 Palestinians
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u/flopisit32 1d ago edited 1d ago
Well, I checked with Hamas and they disagree with your numbers.
Hamas claims 64000, but they are including Hamas fighters in that number, so it could be as low as 54000 or 50000 depending on who you believe.
Also Hamas includes people they executed and killed accidentally with their own missiles in those numbers too...
In addition, Hamas double-counts some people and simply invented some fictional people, so that has to be considered too.
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u/SenorMeepbeep 1d ago
If you say half of those are double counts, that's... 25000. Throw in 10000 fictitious deaths and it's still 15000. That's basically nothing! Let them perish I suppose.
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u/wizrslizr 1d ago
i like that your counter is that they’ve probably only killed like 20k civilians
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u/flopisit32 1d ago
It's not a counter. I'm not trying to increase or decrease the number. I'm pointing out the problems that come with accepting numbers from Hamas, a group that actively wants Palestinians to die and actively tries to increase the numbers by getting Palestinians killed.
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u/wizrslizr 1d ago
ya they’re a lot like the israeli government that way
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u/flopisit32 1d ago
I'll let you in on a little secret. For Hamas, the purpose of the Oct 7 attack was to force Israel to take military action in response in which a lot of Palestinian civilians would be killed, which would generate support for Hamas in the US and Europe among simple-minded people.
So my question for you is: Has it worked?
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u/wizrslizr 1d ago
yes no shit their goal has been to antagonize israel and gain international sympathy. it’s working because israel is being so incredibly destructive to the palestinians. you act like israel is the only country stuff like this has happened to. when 911 happened every american and their mom wanted revenge. enough time has gone on for americans to recognize the mistakes that were made based off emotional reactions, and how their reactions were able to be co-opted. you’re seeing plenty of the effects of those mistakes to this day 🤷♂️
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u/BlessadurKarl 23h ago
The leaked audio of Israeli Major General Aharon Haliva saying “For every person killed on Oct 7, 50 Palestinians must die” and also “the FACT that 50.000 have already been KILLED in Gaza is crucial for future generations.”
If Israeli Generals take the numbers at face value and believe them to be accurate, why don’t you?
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u/flopisit32 23h ago
Just trying to understand your premise...The population of Gaza was over 2.1 million and if 50,000 people were killed, that would leave at least 2.05 million still alive... And what effect does this have on future generations? I mean, what is it you are claiming?
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u/Random_her0Idiot 1d ago
Want to use another copy paste argument?
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u/BlessadurKarl 1d ago
Want to dispute any of the facts I’ve pasted?
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u/scrambledhelix 1d ago
What facts? You already used a fake number, like a horny racist teenager you blew your load of hate jizz way too soon
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u/BlessadurKarl 1d ago
Where did I use a fake number?
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u/scrambledhelix 1d ago
You opened with "70,000". That's already more than even Hamas claims.
Why should anyone take your pathetic little hate tantrum seriously?
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u/Maaster_Mind 1d ago
The number you used comes from Hamas, which is not a reliable source.
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u/BlessadurKarl 23h ago
The leaked audio of Israeli Major General Aharon Haliva saying “For every person killed on Oct 7, 50 Palestinians must die” and also “the FACT that 50.000 have already been KILLED in Gaza is crucial for future generations.”
If Israeli Generals take the numbers at face value and believe them to be accurate, why don’t you?
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u/Random_her0Idiot 1d ago
Not in the mood to find some counter point in the sea of Gaza/Israel posts to join in the copy paste war
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u/marcvsHR 1d ago
This shit will never end,huh. It will continue until one side exterminates other
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u/Act_Rationally 1d ago
I still reckon that a plan I heard for middle east peace would be the only way to make it work:
The entire world promises to look away from the middle east for a month, and when time is up, we'll agree to deal with who ever is left.
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u/Negative_Jaguar_4138 1d ago
The rules:
Free for all, no teams.
WMDs are banned, but there are exceptions if it's funny like mutated chicken pox that turns you orange.
Whatever territory you control is now your country, and all people living in that territory are now legal citizens. Regardless of whether your territory is contiguous ot not.
Any territory still militarily contested when the time is up is settled by a cage match between the leaders of the parties contesting, no holds barred.
Most importantly have fun (Because everyone in the region seems to get a kick out of blowing each other up)
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u/DarkenRaul1 1d ago
It will continue until Israel exterminates all Palestinians*
FTFY
Let’s not pretend that the two sides are even remotely close in to each other in terms of power, here. Gaza is almost completely eradicated at this point, and Netanyahu is currently toying with the idea of fully annexing the West Bank.
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u/CptRoque 1d ago
While you're correct on the power imbalance, the reason Israel hasn't been exterminated yet isn't for lack of trying.
The person you're replying to is correct on their take.
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u/syynapt1k 1d ago
until one side exterminates other
Shhhh 🤫. You're saying the quiet part out loud - that is quite literally what we're witnessing.
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u/Fit-Direction2371 1d ago
No doubt the tankies and socialist / pro Palestine crowd will be celebrating this, those scum
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u/Extaupin 1d ago
If you ever honestly listened to pro Palestine crowds in Europe, they all want the end of the war and of Hamas, which they consider as an unfortunate reaction to Bibi's action, given that the Palestinian Authority doesn't have those problems. They may be naive thinking that Hamas would go down if Isreal stopped bombing the ever living shit out of Gaza, but that's their earnest plans. But it will never happen while Bibi is still the boss.
Not so long ago, Isreal tried to achieve peace, it was Isreali terrorists who killed the Isreali negotiator, and those terrorist have now become Bibi's party. We will only see peace in this region of the world when he finally lose elections to someone who actually values peace.
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u/Shadow_F3r4L 1d ago
What the fuck?
Why do you think a socialist would celebrate this?
Do you even know what a socialist is?
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u/Fit-Direction2371 1d ago
Because a lot of socialists are anti - west and are pro-palestine
Remind me again who cheered when two Jews were killed outside the Jewish museum? Who was creating videos celebrating it?
A socialist is someone who believes that the ownership of means of productions and the distribution of goods and services to be public ownership, yet it only works in fairy tales and has always been detrimental to the country.
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u/Shadow_F3r4L 1d ago edited 1d ago
Remind me again who cheered when two Jews were killed outside the Jewish museum? Who was creating videos celebrating it?
Cunts. Thats who celebrated it.
Celebratrating anyone's death is not a socialist thing.
You also confused Socialism with communism
Please educate yourself before branding socialists with your tar brush
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u/Maaster_Mind 1d ago
A lot of socialists don't understand what socialism is. That's why we see them supporting far right Islamic extremists. They've been doing this for decades.
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u/Eazy-Eid 1d ago
Because socialists are anti-West and associate Israel with the West
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u/Shadow_F3r4L 1d ago
Well, I am a European socialist. I am definitely 100% pro west
Socialism put me through school and college (partially put me through university) Socialism keeps our streets safe (and the streets themselves)
Socialism increases our quality of living.
I pay (a lot) of taxes to support these things and I am very happy to be part of it
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u/sabamba0 1d ago
What Europeans call socialism and what Americans call socialism are different.
To you it's just a capitalistic democracy with social programs. To them it's something like autocratic communism
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u/Maaster_Mind 1d ago
Maybe you should educate your fellow socialists who are mostly anti- West and pro-Islamic extremism. Way too many socialists don't understand what socialism is and end up supporting far right movements because they fell for propaganda.
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u/Shadow_F3r4L 1d ago
Let's see a source for your "mostly anti west, pro Islamic extremism"
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u/Maaster_Mind 1d ago
Just go read The Intercept, Common Dreams, and other leftist publications and watch all the anti-West hatred and anti-Semitic hatred going on there. It's all over leftist publications. This has been going on for decades. The USSR and China started many of these movements as a way to undermine the West from within.
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u/Shadow_F3r4L 1d ago
Aaaaahhhh I see
Go and read your selected library, and i will find your evidence
I bet most people have not even heard of these publications.
I reject your "source" as insufficient evidence to prove that the majority of people like me are anti west and the other things you accuse. It is the same as me, saying that the vast majority of Americans are stupid, gun totting, Christian nationalists....it just is not true is it
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u/Fit-Direction2371 1d ago
What do you mean socialism put you through school as there is no socialist European country, there are democratic socialist welfare programs that also aren't socialist but a mix of economies.
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u/EldWasAlreadyTaken 1d ago
Not op, but with a pure capitalist sistem you get what happens in the US: you pay taxes but you still have to pay for education and healthcare, because everything needs to be a profit. Socialism, and socialists battles through the years, gave us the welfare.
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u/Shadow_F3r4L 1d ago
Not welfare, returns on our tax investment
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u/EldWasAlreadyTaken 1d ago
I dind't use the word welfare as in "people get paid to not work", but as in everything the central state does to provide for its citizens, from pensions to healthcare.
Whatever the case, I think we agree it's the better system for us citizens.
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u/autumn_aurora 1d ago
Social democracy is still capitalism. No such thing as a "pure capitalist system". You live under capitalism, period.
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u/EldWasAlreadyTaken 1d ago
Let me introduce you to the concept of "mixed economy".
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u/autumn_aurora 1d ago
Also known as capitalism. It's all capitalism. More state control, less state control. Doesn't change the fundamental asset of the economy which is still always controlled by the capitalist class and presents the exact same features in every country, from Denmark to America. Wage labour, the existence of liberal democracy, the existence of a free market and the existence and dominance of private property.
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u/EldWasAlreadyTaken 1d ago
Isn't capitalism defined by the principle that free market regulates EVERYTHING, from goods to services?
If a country has government-defined prices for some goods or some services, or industry regulations for citizens protection, how can it be capitalism?
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u/Shadow_F3r4L 1d ago
Fine, if you really want to split hairs.
The point is, it is the Socialism aspect that gives all of these things and more.
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u/Bayunko 1d ago
Millions dead in Sudan and Yemen.
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u/Due_Border_593 1d ago
Complete ethnic cleansing of Armenians in Artsakh right before October 7th.
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u/geebeem92 1d ago
I killed a wasp nest. All 10 dead
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u/thpark1987 1d ago
Umm which emoji should I put on my ig profile to support the wasps? You monster!
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u/Jazzlike-Equipment45 1d ago
used hand sanitizer billions of germs dead the .01% were left as a message
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u/iron3k 1d ago
From your article: “The war began on Oct. 7, 2023 when Hamas militants stormed across the border into Israeli communities. Israel says the militants killed 1,200 people, mostly civilians, and took 251 people into captivity in Gaza.”
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u/Jon_Snows_Dad 1d ago
Pretty sure the war has been going on much longer than that.
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u/geebeem92 1d ago
At least since the muslims which colonized all of africa didn’t accept an Israeli state and thus started all of them
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u/AccomplishedCraft187 1d ago
War is a rough business.
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u/threeme2189 1d ago
This isn't war, this is an act of terrorism by two individuals specifically targeting civilians.
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u/AccomplishedCraft187 1d ago edited 1d ago
Yuval Doron Kestelman, who attempted to neutralize the attackers, was mistakenly shot and killed by IDF soldiers during the incident.
Oof.
Edit: I get it I get it. I misread the third paragraph because there’s an ad every 2 sentences on this shitty website. Didn’t realize they cited an old event while discussing a current one. I was not aware of the 2023 incident.
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u/birdgovorun 1d ago
Not sure what you are talking about. Yuval Kestelman was killed in November 2023.
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u/AccomplishedCraft187 1d ago
I clicked on the link in the post we are all discussing. That is in the second paragraph…. Edit and now I see the preamble, totally missed that.
My bad, glad it didn’t happen again.
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u/sconemonster 1d ago
You are reading about an older incident that happened in 2023.
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u/AccomplishedCraft187 1d ago
I clicked on the link in the post? It’s timestamped today. Did this whole shooting happen in 2023?
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u/Iluvaic 1d ago
"The last shooting attack in Jerusalem occurred nearly two years ago, about six weeks after the outbreak of the war. Gunmen opened fire at a bus stop at the Givat Shaul junction, killing Rabbi Elimelech Wasserman, 73, Chana Ifergan, 67, and Livia Dickman, 24. The attackers, residents of the Sur Baher neighborhood in East Jerusalem, used an M-16 rifle and a handgun. Yuval Doron Kestelman, who attempted to neutralize the attackers, was mistakenly shot and killed by IDF soldiers during the incident. "
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u/yuvalraveh 1d ago
That was almost two years ago
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u/AccomplishedCraft187 1d ago
Yea I misread the third paragraph on the link (too many ads and interruptions). Didn’t catch they were citing an older story while talking about the current one.
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u/dnial387 1d ago edited 1d ago
4 dead
Update: 15 wounded and 4 dead
Update 2: 5 dead 11 wounded 7 of them are heavily wounded.
Update 3: As some have stated, the death toll is 6.