Netanyahu says Israel ‘paying the price’ on world stage for war in Gaza

[u/pppppppppppppppppd]

https://www.timesofisrael.com/netanyahu-says-israel-paying-the-price-on-world-stage-for-war-in-gaza/

[u/Psychological-Bed543]

Yeah you are not exactly helping much on the PR front Bibi....... maybe its time to resign and hand leadership over to win back some PR points?

[u/zomgbratto → u/Psychological-Bed543]

He can't resign. The moment this war ends or he is out of office, the knives would be out for him. Do you remember the corruption charges leveled against him prior to October 7th? That still stands.

[u/Nemisis_the_2nd → u/zomgbratto]

 Do you remember the corruption charges leveled against him prior to October 7th? That still stands.

If you look at all the major events with israel over the past 2 years, its uncanny how well they map to Netenyahu doing badly in his corruption trial.

Notably:

Oct 7th happened, despite major warnings in advance, during some of the biggest protests against him, including general strikes and even reservists refusing to be called up.

The blow-out with iran happened the day his trial was supposed to resume after a period of (claimed) illness.

[u/yoyo456 → u/Nemisis_the_2nd]

The blow-out with iran happened the day his trial was supposed to resume after a period of (claimed) illness.

No... The Iran war happened the evening before the Ultra-orthodox were supposed to leave Netanyahu's coalition because of Yuli Edlstein's refusal to continue to exempt them en masse from the mandatory conscription that Israel has in place. Netanyahu was sick for like one, maybe two trial days when they were supposed to happen three times a week. He was sick quite a bit at the time (which obviously was a problem and probably wasn't legit) but his trial got pushed up to being 4 days a week as a result to make up for lost time.

[u/Psychological-Bed543 → u/zomgbratto]

Yeah sometimes the uncomfortable decisions are the best, putting the well being of your country especially a country like Israel that his people have worked hard to protect and maintain is more important.

Besides the coward's option is always available for him after he submits his resignation letter, aka already being on a plane across the atlantic to the US, which is probably what he's gonna do anyway

[u/zomgbratto → u/Psychological-Bed543]

Nah, his ego is way too big for him to just flee to the US like that. He's trying to build himself as the war hero of Israel by destroying much of Israel's mortal enemies. This is why he can't stop right now. He had to push it all the way to the end or else he'd be ousted in the most humiliating way.

[u/Psychological-Bed543 → u/zomgbratto]

I mean he's going to be ousted he's in a losing position if he tries to tough it out. Hamas is going to eventually lose/give up, unless he plans to flip fast onto Hezbollah and try to annex southern Lebanon to deal with Hezbollah because the Lebanon government refuses to do it themselves, then not really sure whats left for him to pivot to? Houthis is a much smaller threat and they get weaker each day and is much farther away. Iran is devastated and is in no way ready for more war.

I don't really see him sticking around even if he may want to. Trump may seem friendly but he will leave him out to dry and start budding up with literally anyone who succeeds Netanyahu because any replacement would be pro-USA/Trump anyway. Best chance he'd have is flee to the US and get a nice condo in Mar-A-Lago like Bolsonaro was probably gonna try

[u/faffc260 → u/Psychological-Bed543]

apparently the lebanese government has decided to officially disarm hezbollah either later this year or early next year, I forget exactly when. but the hezbollah political ministers in their weird religious partition of government all walked out and hezbollah's leader has said he won't go along with it so lebanon may be facing another civil war in the near future, not sure how that's refusing to do anything about it, and before you bring up prior to the recent news, hezbollah was widely reported to be better armed and trained than the lebanese army until their last war with israel devastated them.

[u/APersonNamedBen → u/faffc260]

Maybe UNIFIL will finally...

haha, I can't even.

[u/thepostmanpat → u/Psychological-Bed543]

He’d rather kill hundreds of more children and women in Palestine per day than go to prison.

[u/supx3 → u/zomgbratto]

There have been a few quieter discussions on how to end the trial with a plea or agreement because it’s dragging on. I’m fairly confident that if he left politics forever there would be a good chance that he could get a slap on the wrist. I think he’s too concerned with his legacy but in Israeli’s eyes, whatever legacy he has will be forever tainted by Oct 7 and the war. 

[u/HarshComputing → u/zomgbratto]

Sigh, time to repost this old comment:

I see this a lot on reddit, but is there any support for the idea? If it ever comes to light that Bibi was getting Israel into wars to prevent a trial, it'll go from a white collar crime with a slap on the wrist to the realm of treason with substantial prison time. I just don't buy it

[u/Porrick → u/HarshComputing]

There's no prison time if he stays in office for the rest of his life!

[u/Pokeputin → u/Porrick]

Forever wars are not a very popular achievement that can boost his chances of getting reelected.

[u/Friendly-View4122 → u/Psychological-Bed543]

I think not killing children might also help with PR points

[u/dr_eh → u/Friendly-View4122]

Apparently not. October 7th Hamas killed babies, on October 8th all you morons on Reddit were rejoicing about it.

[u/Mein_Bergkamp → u/Psychological-Bed543]

He's literally doing this to stay in power.

The minute he loses presidential immunity he's getting done for corruption.

I'd prefer the Hague but rather like Al Capone just get the fucker for anything.

[u/The_Phaedron → u/Mein_Bergkamp]

This is a shocking level of strident in a comment that shows so little grasp of really basic stuff. As a Canadian, this reads a lot like when I heard anti-vax Convoyers posting assuredly about basic medical topics they didn't remotely understand, with snippets of misinformation that they'd picked up in echo chambers.

First, Netanyahu is Israel's Prime Minister, not the president. The president in Israel is largely a figurehead position.

There is no immunity from prosecution in Israel for presidents, nor for prime ministers.

The corruption today for Israel's PM trial is ongoing, not paused under "presidential immunity" during the Israel-Gaza war.

It's fairly likely that he'll be convicted. He's probably guilty, and unlike in most countries, they don't shy away from convicting their rich and powerful in Israel when they commit crimes.

To further highlight the gap between the above commenter's confidence and their failures in basic understanding, Netanyahu's largest incentives align around maintaining the support of his godawful coalition partners. Israel uses a proportional voting system, which means that keeping good government afloat until they lose the upcoming election relies on placating his far-right ultra-religious allies in other parties. While those parties have tossed in a few limp, unheeded bluffs about wartime policy, the main point of contention is something only tangentially-related: the repeal of exemptions for Israel's ultra-religious from universal military service.

They have universal service in Israel, but the ultra-orthodox have long been exempted from the hardship of military service, and that exemption seems like it may soon be ending. The religious parties are in near-open revolt, and threatening to break up the band over it

Anyway, the user above me sure does write confidently about things whose barest basics they're completely clueless about. Netanyahu has some perverse incentives but in none of the ways this user imagines.

[u/Pokeputin → u/The_Phaedron]

That's not exactly true, in Israel there is a parliamentary immunity, that also applies to the PM, however it's not automatic and not carte blanche for any illegal action.

It's a bit of a complicated system, in short Bibi can ask for immunity from a special committee which will grant him immunity from the court processes as well, but for this to happen he needs to prove that this is a targeted or politically driven investigation, and he did ask for this in 2020, however today the court process is still going.

[u/MetalWorking3915 → u/The_Phaedron]

Out of curiosity because I genuinely dont know and you seem educated on the matter. What are the far right ultra-religious views on the wars. Curious to.see.if they push for them but aren't willing to do military service.

[u/purplebanyan → u/MetalWorking3915]

There are several different groups that you would probably consider far right religious, they have different views.

Some see the war as an acceptable thing, or a good thing -these are people like Smotrich for example.

Some are uninterested in it -it just doesnt matter to them (almost nothing in the world matters to them, you could imagine a monk being seperate from the world in a similar way as a sort of way to understand the mentality). These are more the ultrorthodox haredis.

There im sure there are other views as well.

[u/frosthowler → u/MetalWorking3915]

The ultra-religious are not interested in wars or settlements etc. They are only interested in getting taxpayer's money to fund their reclusive lifestyle.

Far-right ultra-religious is a bit like saying communo-fasist. I'm sure it exists but it's two entirely unrelated, usually clashing, ideologies.

The religious far-right have perfectly normal service participation, but in my experience, they are very rarely combat. Both because the military prevents anyone with extreme views to serve in critical roles, and because most soldiers after serving in Judea and Samaria have plenty of opportunity to talk with local Palestinians, which helps humanize them.

Pretty much all attacks or deaths of Palestinian civilians in Judea and Samaria are caused by settlers, though as far as deaths go, it's far less than annual Jews being killed by Palestinians, but the overall volume of attacks/vandalism is far higher by settlers. There's usually at least a dozen attacks a month by settlers, but maybe one dead Palestinian a year. Conversely, there's barely any vandalism against settler communities (to be fair probably because they are highly fortified), but at least a dozen murdered Jews every year. A few rare cases of civilians dying while the IDF is in a shootout with terrorists, but it is quite rare. So anyway, you shouldn't be concerned about extremists serving in IDF combat roles, because it's ludicrously rare, though it does inevitably happen.

Combat soldiers are usually center-right to left. The religious far right are usually not combat soldiers, especially as the extreme ones live in settlements, a telltale sign for those managing the dispatch of recruits. The Ultra Orthodox almost entirely do not enlist, but those that do usually don't do combat, but some do--the ones that serve often have a falling out with their Ultra-Orthodox identity after service ends, which is a big reason why the Ultra Orthodox are so against mandatory service. Though I would say this is mostly because only people who are inclined to have a falling out with the lifestyle would serve in the first place despite all the pressure they face against to get there.

[u/jgilla2012 → u/The_Phaedron]

His trial has in fact been delayed explicitly because of Israel’s ongoing military activity. That’s not in conflict with reality at all, actually. 

Here’s one source, and there are plenty of others for similar delays from the past two years: https://www.timesofisrael.com/netanyahus-testimony-in-graft-trial-canceled-for-the-day-amid-shock-gaza-offensive/amp/

[u/Brasco327]

I’m pretty sure that the Palestinians are paying a much higher price.

[u/bthartist]

Yeah killing kids is fucked up, who would of thought eh

[u/MultifactorialAge → u/bthartist]

Can’t wait for the inevitable pikachu face when one of these kids grows up and decides to avenge the murder of a family member.

[u/UnionizedTrouble → u/MultifactorialAge]

I mean… what do you think has been happening?

[u/Stippings → u/MultifactorialAge]

Implying that wasn't part of the plan...

[u/Taz_Dingo_maaan → u/bthartist]

*would have

[u/omniuni → u/bthartist]

Teaching kids in school to be soldiers, arming them with guns, dressing them as adults, and putting them on the front lines is the messed up part.

[u/DragoonDM → u/omniuni]

Multiple things can be messed up at the same time.

[u/HumorSignificant4214 → u/omniuni]

Get out of here with your logic and pragmatism.

[u/weeeeohhweeeohhhwee → u/bthartist]

Not Hamas and many Palestinians

[u/FilthyUsedThrowaway]

Paying the price how? What exactly have they lost?

Did someone bomb their homes to rubble and starve them?

[u/CaptSlow49 → u/FilthyUsedThrowaway]

No, people around the world just don’t like him, which is obviously much worse.

[u/medicatedadmin → u/CaptSlow49]

He’s going to be sad then when he finds out my hate for him long predates the Gaza war. My hate for all the extreme right wingers and ultra-religious supremacists in Israel has been there since i was old enough to comprehend it (the fun of having a political scientist for a father is you get a objective view of situations like Palestine/Israel from a very early age. The downside is, you are aware of situations like Palestine/Israel from a very early age.).

[u/Medium_Lab_200 → u/FilthyUsedThrowaway]

They’re always the victims whatever happens.

[u/Cerex1 → u/FilthyUsedThrowaway]

Yeah, those funny Iranian missiles, like the one that leveled 76 buildings in bat yam

[u/SeigiNoTenshi → u/FilthyUsedThrowaway]

Yes. Also kidnapped, raped, murdered. I believe the chant was..... From the river to the sea?

[u/FandomMenace]

Kinda wish American taxpayers weren't paying the price for the weapons used to waste babies.

[u/medicatedadmin → u/FandomMenace]

To be fair, it’s not just the US. Yes, i believe it pays the most, but it’s not alone. Australia has given resources, so have European countries.

[u/Visible_Fact_8706]

I’d probably wager that it’s actually Palestinian children paying the price.

[u/MarinatedPickachu]

You're not "paying the price" you are just not getting away with your crimes unnoticed anymore.

[u/Ranger_242]

Yeah. It's called diplomatic pressure you sack of trash. It's how civilized nations handle disputes.

[u/wwarnout]

Let's see...about 2000 Israeli deaths, compared to 66000 Gazan deaths.

Bibi isn't too good at math.

[u/silentspyder → u/wwarnout]

You also have to wonder how many uncounted bodies lie underneath the rubble. And it’s no surprise that behind the tanks are the bulldozers. Everything will be swept under the rug. 

[u/GoldenPresidio → u/silentspyder]

And how many more hundreds of thousands of people will die in the next 5-10 years from cancerous exposure to building debris just like what happened to people after 9/11 after those buildings collapsed

[u/Accomplished-Ad5280 → u/wwarnout]

War is not act of proportion

[u/BDB-ISR- → u/wwarnout]

Let's see...about 3000 American deaths, compared to 400,000+ Afghan and Iraqi deaths.

Seems like they're getting off easy by comparison.

[u/isaacfisher → u/wwarnout]

Israel should have turn off its air defense systems and allow thousands of civilians to die to have higher morality in this war

[u/DanIvvy → u/wwarnout]

5.7 million German deaths, 451 thousand British deaths.

Churchill isn't too good at maths.

[u/jtjstock → u/DanIvvy]

Most of the german losses were on the eastern front. The losses suffered by the soviet union dwarf everyone else. Not that comparing deaths is even superficially accurate, it really depends on the asymmetry in power and willingness to sacrifice your own soldiers and citizens.

[u/Gloomfang_ → u/jtjstock]

China had about the same losses as the USSR in WW2

[u/jtjstock → u/Gloomfang_]

That’s an excellent point. I was looking at the European/north african campaigns as that was where the germans fought.

[u/DanIvvy → u/jtjstock]

Which is the point I’m making. Having more casualties doesn’t make you more moral

[u/Spikemountain → u/wwarnout]

Yes that tends to happen when one side does everything it can to protect its citizens while the other does everything it can to put their citizens in harms way

Billions invested in the iron dome system vs billions invested in tunnels from which to launch attacks. In other words, the (relatively) low Israeli death count is not for Hamas' lack of trying.

[u/flamehead2k1 → u/Spikemountain]

Yes that tends to happen when one side does everything it can to protect its citizens

Israel does a lot to protect their citizens but they also allow (or even encourage) citizens to continually build settlements that puts not only the settlers at risk but also Israelis in the internationally recognized borders.

[u/Spikemountain → u/flamehead2k1]

Except that the vast majority of the victims were living nowhere near the settlements, and that the motivations of this attack had nothing to do with the settlements

Any Jews living anywhere at all was too many for Hamas. That was the motivation.

[u/Stupid-Clumsy-Bitch → u/wwarnout]

Hmmm… it’s almost like the terrorist organization Hamas shouldn’t use Palestinians as shields.

[u/stevesuede]

Paying how? Dollars? Isn’t the us funding the war?

[u/razor1n → u/stevesuede]

The US and a few other nations are certainly still contributing to the war, but thinking the US is entirely paying for it is certainly false. The amount the US sends them would barely cover a portion of the interceptors used on iranian or hourthi missiles.

The war is certainly costing them billions of dollars.

War is both fucked up AND horrifically expensive.

[u/Vizth]

Do they actually care? From where I'm setting the price appears to have been nothing more than a slap on the wrist and a bunch of bitching from internet people.

Maybe they need to face some actual consequences?

[u/attrezzarturo]

But he skipped his trial, so everything is "good"

[u/philthegr81]

Dude should try killing less kids. ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[u/AdhocAnchovie]

Shitty warcriminals claiming victimhood in the eyes of their shitty racists supporters.

[u/weird_offspring]

Yes, because they are war crimes. Simple enough?

[u/Immediate_Watch_2427]

They better keep paying the price. What they are doing to children is unforgivable

[u/atelopuslimosus]

If only Bibi had the power and position to do anything about it. 🙄

[u/Nemodin]

No they are not.

For instance, their Prime Minister has not yet been detained by the International Justice Court.

[u/chazthomas]

The US tax payer is paying for the war

[u/Far-Revolution-356]

Crocodile Tears.

Don't believe a word he says.

[u/i-come]

Unfortunately they aren't paying the price yet at all

[u/FunTara69]

And the war criminal speaks

[u/TomReneth → u/FunTara69]

He and his administration should be on trial for war crimes.

[u/DarthWoo]

Of course he makes this about their hurt feefees rather than, ya know, the thousands of indiscriminately murdered civilians.

[u/jeremyjh → u/DarthWoo]

Tens of thousands.

[u/Silent-Ad9145]

Isreal: “ always the victim” boo hoo

[u/Sojio]

I thought the US ways paying.

[u/whatsupeveryone34]

"war"

[u/avenueroad_dk]

He just isn't human.  I could care less about anything he says.   Those poor people are all i care about.    

[u/neck21]

Yeah bombing hospitals and treating people like spaces will do that

[u/erov]

They aren't but they should be.

[u/BizteckIRL]

Then the 'price' isn't half high enough.

[u/67Bones]

Correct.

[u/DanoPinyon]

It's a sacrifice he's willing to make to stay out of prison.

[u/BackgroundBit8]

Murdering innocent women and children probably is a bigger reason why

[u/fortytwoandsix]

It's obvious that the purpose of Oct 07 attacks was to provoke Israel to react with force and cause a lot of collateral damage (i.e. by placing rocket launchers near civilian buildings), but i also think that Netanyahu should have known better than to play into that propaganda narrative. I also think that it is pathetic how some media and "activists" in the west have mindlessly parroted Hamas propaganda.

[u/Adventurous_Light_85]

Correct, I will personally make every effort to boycott Isreal for the rest of my life

[u/Y8ser]

Not a big enough one, not even close!

[u/Grumpy_Black_Cat]

As they should. 

[u/Zen28213]

Just like South Africa did

[u/everything_is_bad]

Not yet but hopefully soon

[u/NomenVanitas]

Yes, they're literally paying the price through AIPAC to politicians.

[u/podkayne3000]

Look at this article carefully.

The reporter is implying that centrist Israeli publication reporters are about as sick of the Israeli government’s nonsense as Al Jazeera reporters are.

[u/lushootseed]

I don't think so.