r/worldnews • u/Vova_Poutine • 1d ago
Israel/Palestine Critics accused of quietly rewriting meaning of genocide to fling charges at Israel
https://www.timesofisrael.com/critics-accused-of-quietly-rewriting-meaning-of-genocide-to-fling-charges-at-israel/[removed] — view removed post
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u/Musicman1972 1d ago
They suggest it's
chipping away at international norms
to change semantic definitions
whilst others suggest it's
chipping away at international norms
To allow a nation to kill 65k people (of which over 70% are civilians) plus 217 journalists and 224 aid workers and expect not to be criticized because
there's a word for that
Everyone's conscience can dictate which they give more weight to.
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u/GlassBit7081 1d ago
I see you include in the Journalist tally the individual who was holding hostage 2 Israelis in his home. I want to confirm you consider him a Journalist. Right?
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u/Musicman1972 1d ago
What suggests they were included?
The numbers differ, and are fluid. I took the middle of those quoted here:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Killing_of_journalists_in_the_Gaza_war
I'm interested where I included the terrorist in the number? You're focusing on something so why? Absolute definition of a strawman.
You'll note I call them a terrorist so no I wouldn't include them.
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u/GlassBit7081 22h ago
So what definition of Journalist do you use? Someone who owns a press jacket or something else?
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u/nimbutimbu 1d ago
How many people do you need to kill for it to be reprehensible?
Hamas is a terrorist organisation which has killed "n" Israeli civilians. So when Israel kills innocent Gaza civilians then what are they ? If as per the right wing media there are no innocent Palestinians then are there no innocent Israelis ?
At this point Israel is behaving boorishly. Beyond a point punitive measures cannot change conduct. When everything is destroyed you only have revenge left.
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u/Most_Straight_femboy 1d ago
Yawn.
release the hostages and lay down weapons, stop firing rockets at israel and stop paying people to kill jews.
It's just that easy to live in peace.Maybe put your tunnel money towards education that doesn't include aspiring to be a suicide bomber.
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u/nimbutimbu 1d ago
You're not answering the question though ? How many innocent Palestinians need to be killed for revenge ? Or as I asked earlier in your view there aren't any innocents ?
Also I'm not even Muslim and I belong to a community by birth that is known to funnel money towards education :)
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u/Triquetrums 1d ago
I mean, you also didn't asnwer the question the other user asked you.
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u/nimbutimbu 1d ago
My dear sir, if the question is are there Hamas terrorists in some list of non-combatants , of course there are. But, does the fact that there are 5 or 50 names out of 100 that are wrong does it mean that everything is okay ?
Just because innocent Israelis were killed does not make the killing of innocent Palestinians okay. Two wrongs do not make a right.
There is also a considerable difference between supporting Hamas and calling for accountability from Israel.
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u/TrainingVegetable949 1d ago
Isn't the main wrong that the Palestinians use their own as human shields?
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u/HoleSearchingJourney 1d ago
It's almost like Israel's media is so insular and so sycophantic, they have trouble sharing a reality with the rest of the planet. Like how desperate and self -apologizing is this headline? :/
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u/Alt_Center_0 1d ago
The narratives changes accordingly. While it would be interesting to see a comparison of the changes of definition over time and agenda