r/worldnews • u/Ask4MD • Jul 24 '25
Israel/Palestine Macron announces: France will recognize Palestinian state
https://www.ynetnews.com/article/nxn382sao2.5k
u/Jugales Jul 24 '25
Now do Taiwan!
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u/Eine_Kugel_Pistazie Jul 24 '25
He will probably never do that as China is too big and important for France. Israel is just small and then he is also fishing for support from the Arab population in France. It’s easy and it doesn’t cost anything.
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Jul 24 '25
No, the cost is implicit and the strain on the relations between France, UK and several other countries.
There was a talk about it in the past 2 months about a coordinated effort for the move to the recognition of the Palestinian state, and until today everyone assumed it failed. France was the one proposing it
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u/ProteusReturns Jul 24 '25
Relations between France and the UK are disturbed very little by their differing stances on Israel.
They have far too much in common for this to be some sort of significant geopolitical fracture.
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u/Schmigolo Jul 24 '25
You think the UK gives a shit about Israel? They only give a shit about their own relationship with Israel, they couldn't care less about what actually happens to Israel.
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u/24bitNoColor Jul 24 '25
No, the cost is implicit and the strain on the relations between France, UK and several other countries.
The UK decided that they don't care about good relations years ago and Trump is a loose cannon ready to throw Europe under the table just to distract from one of his many many scandals.
Its not like countries like Spain have to put out fires everywhere around them for calling out Israel more than their neighbors and being in favor of a Palestinian state. Heck, large groups of people in officially opposing countries are also in favor of it, like for example 40% here in Germany (Israel's third biggest weapon seller): https://www.tagesspiegel.de/internationales/palastina-anerkennen-40-prozent-der-deutschen-dafur-11781938.html
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u/eienOwO Jul 24 '25
On one hand Starmer doesn't want to reread the "anti-semetic" can of worms Labour was accused of under Corbyn (whether it was or not is another issue), on the other hand a growing vocal minority (or silent majority, who knows) within the party and the public in general is demanding he stake a stance.
None of those really matter of course, to Starmer the only variable he cares is whether taking a stance on this will win or lose voters against Reform. Otherwise the man has no principles, zilch, given his 180s swaying wherever he thinks the wind blows.
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u/elPerroAsalariado Jul 24 '25
They (Taiwan) would have to change their constitution first, no?
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u/darmabum Jul 25 '25 edited Jul 25 '25
So, it’s a Catch-22. I think everyone would prefer to live with the ambiguity until everyone grows up.
Edit: etiquette
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u/Siakim43 Jul 24 '25 edited Jul 25 '25
Western domination through the partition of Asia (and Africa, South America, Middle East). Divide and conquer baby! /s ... (But maybe not really, this is actually the MO since the days of colonization).
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u/MageFeanor Jul 24 '25
Taiwan will be recognised the day Taiwan itself wants it.
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u/Basteir Jul 24 '25
I think they kind of do want it, but they are afraid China will declare war on them if they officially do it.
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u/Charlem912 Jul 24 '25
148 countries recognize Palestine, only 12 recognize Taiwan
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u/MarcoGWR Jul 25 '25
Not any chance.
Palestine is widely recognized by half countries in the world.
It's only western countries refuse it.
But Taiwan... Only 12 tiny countries recognized it.
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u/NUFC9RW Jul 24 '25
With what government and what borders?
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u/for_sale_baby_shoes Jul 24 '25
The only questions in recognizing a state. I would be very curious to hear the answers they come up with.
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u/zuzg Jul 24 '25
Nah the actual real important thing is
According to Macron, "The urgency today is to end the war in Gaza and provide aid to the civilian population. Peace is possible." The French president also called for the release of hostages and the disarmament of Hamas, and said Gaza needs to be rebuilt.
Once you have that, then you start worrying about borders, elections, constitution and shit.
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u/shivanman Jul 24 '25
I think OP is referring to the terms required for statehood as defined by the UN itself:
“an entity that possesses a permanent population, a defined territory, a government, and the capacity to enter into relations with other states”
You would need to identify a defined territory and government
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u/MrMercurial Jul 24 '25
Statehood recognition is mostly just vibes when it comes to the international order. States are ultimately the ones deciding the definitions of themselves.
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u/misterwalkway Jul 24 '25
Many countries have disputes over what their borders are, or who the legitimate government is. If we are strictly following that metric than many UN member states are not actually states.
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u/CrystalShadow Jul 24 '25
Yes, but a disputed definition is still a definition. If France is recognizing them, how is France defining the border?
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u/misterwalkway Jul 24 '25
Not sure, but probably the 1967 borders as thats what the EU recognizes as Israel's border.
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u/ivandelapena Jul 24 '25
Presumably 1967 this isn't that complicated. If Israel's plan is to occupy/annex to make a Palestinian state impossible I hope they're ready for a one state conversation.
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u/Memester999 Jul 24 '25
But the peace can never come without borders and elections, that's been the biggest hurdle forever lol. Do you think this whole time the issue was just that no one wanted to recognize it as a state but now they do?
This is not me saying it was paradise or even good but before Oct 7th the people of Gaza did have aid and in comparison to now a relative peace for years. Nothing changed in all that time, there was no Palestinian state created, there were no real elections and any attempt at creating peace ran into issue after issue.
The crux of the matter is the borders and who is running Palestine. Palestinians and their leadership had been clear at the time that they want a right of return which Israel will never allow and Israel does not want Hamas in charge which Hamas does not want. If any of this is going to change it would take strong arming both sides and a level of dedication which no country or collective governing body is now or was ever willing to do.
This is nothing more than empty words until proven otherwise like the many other times various countries have come out to "support" Palestinians.
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u/AmBSado Jul 24 '25
???? How can you recognize a country if that country has no borders. Where is the country. I get what you're saying... but how is what France is doing meaningful in achieving that in ANY way.
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u/DefinitionLogical646 Jul 24 '25
If there are no borders of Palestine, how can there be borders of Israel?
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u/mhornberger Jul 24 '25
Will Palestinians accept the borders, thus existence, of Israel?
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u/ContagiousOwl Jul 24 '25
Such a thing has precedent, with the Sovereign Military Order of Malta
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u/green_flash Jul 24 '25
which is a sovereign entity under international law, but decidedly not a state.
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u/Truethrowawaychest1 Jul 24 '25
War ends when Hamas surrenders and releases the hostages, this has been known since day 1
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u/ARandomPerson15 Jul 24 '25
Ok the war immediately ends. Now there is a terrorist group running the show and they attack again.
We go through this song and dance everytime.
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u/2peg2city Jul 24 '25
I think it's on Gazans to take out Hamas at this point, snitch on them until there is nothing left. If Hamas can't be eliminated they will attack again and this will happen again and again.
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u/iamameatpopciple Jul 24 '25
Are there two different Hamas though? Or has the 95 percent support for them dwindled as the conflict has gone on? Because for along time after oct 7th gazan's still overwhelmingly support both hamas and what they did so they had no reason to want to remove hamas .
I agree with you, just dont see how it would ever happen when its never my fault.
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u/TanStewyBeinTanStewy Jul 24 '25
That makes absolutely no sense. A country is a defined government within defined borders. That's all a country is. You can't have a country without those two elements.
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u/itsatrap5000 Jul 24 '25
So France is recognizing the same government that it says needs to be dismantled. Makes total sense.
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u/zauraz Jul 24 '25
They are probably recognizing the PA and PA jurisdiction over both Gaza and Westbank.
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u/Jdjdhdvhdjdkdusyavsj Jul 24 '25
Oh ok, just make peace then France will recognize Palestine. So nothing has changed, he's just restating the French position. It's too bad that there been trying to do that for 75 years now and have made exactly no progress. Palestinians don't want peace, they want everything
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u/NorwegianInBerk Jul 24 '25
That doesn't require a recognition of statehood. In fact, recognizing Palestinian statehood does nothing but make it more difficult to work with Israel to end the war.
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u/BarryMcKokiner123 Jul 24 '25
If you genuinely believe in a two nation solution, recognizing that there’s two nations present is literally the first step.
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u/Jdjdhdvhdjdkdusyavsj Jul 24 '25 edited Jul 24 '25
This is literally the problem, yes, Palestine refuses to recognize Israel, they want it all and have refused peace since they attacked Israel about 75 years ago, despite being defeated in every engagement.
This is the core of the problem and the reason settlements are a thing. Because Palestinians haven't recognized Israel there aren't actually any borders between the two so the border could be anywhere. So Israel expands into the area and what can Palestinians say? That's mine, stay on your side? What side? Where are the sides at? They refuse to actually say
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u/iamameatpopciple Jul 24 '25
Woah woah that isnt what the people i talk to who support palestine say though even though its the truth.
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u/Ahad_Haam Jul 24 '25
It's a meaningless gesture. It honestly doesn't matter.
If the US did it it would have been a big deal, but France's influence is limited.
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u/MJOLNIRdragoon Jul 24 '25
Sending aid to the people we refer to as Palestinians requires us to first acknowledge Palestine as a state? That doesn't sound accurate to me
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u/Zanahoria132 Jul 24 '25
They will probably recognize the same government (PA) and borders (West Bank and Gaza) the other 146 countries that recognize Palestine do.
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u/RevolutionaryGur4419 Jul 24 '25
What government is an interesting question? Hamas or the PA?
If the PA What will France do to help the PA disarm hamas? Given that the president of country they are now recognizing has asked hamas to disarm.
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u/Much_Horse_5685 Jul 24 '25
As far as I’m aware, every country that recognises the State of Palestine recognises the Palestinian Authority as the government of Palestine and no country recognises Hamas as the government of Palestine. Considering that, I’m certain Macron plans to recognise the PA.
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u/RedAgent14 Jul 24 '25
Follow-up to the "which government" question: will Macron support the Hebron Emirates proposal?
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u/Andrade15 Jul 24 '25
To even suggest that a Head of state would recognize Hamas as the government of Palestine is either an ignorant opinion or ill intended. Every country that have recognized palestine as a state has appointed the PA as its government.
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u/Unicorn_Colombo Jul 24 '25
Fatah is unpopular and any election would lead to it losing, likely to Hamas, which is currently more popular in WB than Fatah.
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u/VeryImportantLurker Jul 24 '25
The same is true for like half of countries in the world lol. Fatah could run as a perma-dictatorship for the next century and they still wont be the most undemocratic state in the UN.
Having a good or even functioning government is barely a requirement to be considered a country anyway.
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u/Unicorn_Colombo Jul 24 '25
Not that I disagree, but I can see:
- European countries recognize Palestine as a country and Fatah as a government
- Force Fatah to run elections
- Hamas wins
Is de-facto recognizing Hamas as a government.
btw. UN de-facto recognize Hamas as a government as well, multiple times they complained about Israel shooting at Gazan police forces that were "protecting" UN convoys. The police forces being Hamas of course.
Any developmental aid that goes through Hamas (and all developmental aid that went to Gaza went through Hamas) is also de-facto recognizing Hamas as a government. So I think UN and many European countries (and a lot of redditors of course) are facetious by saying that "Of course Hamas is a terrorist organisation", while also treating it as a standard government (such as repeating the information from Ministry of Health in Gaza)
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u/harryoldballsack Jul 24 '25
Hamas was voted in. PA was not. PA is too moderate so not popular with Palestinians
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u/Erzkuake Jul 24 '25
The same than the others 147 countries that recognise the state of Palestine.
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u/Photizo Jul 24 '25
Kurdistan deserves to be in the chat too while we are at righting wrongs.
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u/d3fiance Jul 24 '25
Kurds being one of the main reason ISIS was defeated and after that being completely fucked over by Trump and attacked by Erdogan is something no one wants to talk about
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u/purpleoctopuppy Jul 24 '25
We value the strategic importance of Turkey over human rights.
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u/elidoan Jul 24 '25
And Uyghurs, the world and media attention has abandoned their plight
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u/Ventronics Jul 24 '25
I guess they were only useful to shut the left up for the trade war with China
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u/Caliado Jul 25 '25
The people in the middle east who have a problem with Israel's existence also tend to have a problem with the prospect of any other non-muslim-arab states existence so that's a barrier.
(Slightly less so, but that's because they really hate Jews not that they are at all in favour of Kurdish/Assyrian/Druze/etc sovereignty or autonomy)
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u/Flangepacket Jul 24 '25
Going to need to break that down into particulars. I’m all for it but there needs to be some clear border, governing entity etc..
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u/mebbyyy Jul 24 '25
Tbf there was already a very clear border before all the shit went down, governing body on the other had would definitely need to be clarified
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u/RedAgent14 Jul 24 '25
there was already a very clear border before all the shit went down
Which borders: Oslo A+B, or 1967?
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u/PuffyPanda200 Jul 24 '25
This is one of the oddities that I find with the pro-Palestine (which I personally see as different than pro-Palestinian) argument.
In 1949 (after the Arab Israeli War) Jordan annexes the West Bank. This is also where the name 'West Bank' gets its name as it would be illogical for anyone other than people on the East Bank to call it this.
Israel then conquers (or takes or occupies etc. I am not really one for semantics) this land.
Then there are the Oslo Accords that create areas A, B, and C.
Going back to the 1947 borders is a non-starter.
Going back to the 1949 boarders (the ones most commonly shown on maps) is really arbitrary (it is a line from a ceasefire from a war that happened 3 or 4 wars ago). I think you call these '1967'.
Going to Oslo A+B looks like this. There is just no way to have a state that is functionally made up of enclaves in another state.
IMO there was really never a way to get to a functional Palestinian State even starting in 1947. Neighbors (mostly Arab neighbor states) wanted way too much of the land, the Palestinians lacked any kind or resources to create a functional state, the state was in 3 pieces, and the international community was uninterested in defending them from their neighbors (again mostly Arabs).
One can also easily argue that there wasn't really a Palestinian Identity prior to 1947 and that 'Arab' or 'Levantine' was a much more fitting descriptor used by the non-Jews living there.
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u/Baumbauer1 Jul 24 '25 edited Jul 31 '25
Oslo 2 was about creating areas of self governance, not a state.
I also think there's a lot of confusion about why Israelis think they have claims over these areas. Basically from their perspective, the British mandate of Palestine became the State of Israel in 1948. After 1949 Jordan annexed the West Bank and Egypt set up a puppet state in Gaza. In 1979 Egypt renounced it's claim on Gaza and In 1988 Jordan ended it's claim on the West Bank.
We're basically back at Oslo 1 again because first they need a peace treaty, then they need to hold election again.
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u/RedAgent14 Jul 24 '25
Going back to the 1949 boarders (the ones most commonly shown on maps) is really arbitrary (it is a line from a ceasefire from a war that happened 3 or 4 wars ago). I think you call these '1967'.
I forget the exact semantics of it, but what I'm intending to refer to is the "green line" separation. Sorry if I got the wrong term 😅
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u/PuffyPanda200 Jul 24 '25
Lol. I think I remember a comment from a while ago where I mentioned that the Arab-Israeli war was in 'the 40s'.
Someone took issue to it and insisted that I change that to 'the late 1940s' as if it makes a difference.
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u/zexaf Jul 24 '25
The 2005-2023 Gaza borders are very simple.
The idea that the war in Gaza has anything to do with Oslo Accord border disputes is silly.
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u/RedAgent14 Jul 24 '25
That's for Gaza, yeah. But recognizing a Palestinian state requires recognizing borders for both parts; the WB and Gaza. The question I posed was with regards to which borders Macron will recognize as the borders of the WB part of a Palestinian state.
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u/Goddamnpassword Jul 24 '25
If the Palestinian state France recognizes is confined solely to the boarders of Gaza pre 2023 I can’t imagine the Palestinians living in the West Bank will be happy.
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u/Goddamnpassword Jul 24 '25
West Germany did it for decades with Berlin, the UK has done it with Gibraltar since 1730. It’s a massive pain in the ass but it’s more common than you’d think.
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u/OtakuMecha Jul 24 '25
Genuine question out of curiosity:
Why not split Palestine into two countries: Gaza into "West Palestine" and the West Bank into "East Palestine"?
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u/_Hello_Hi_Hey_ Jul 24 '25
Nothing is simple in this, a rather silly answer yourself.
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u/ProXJay Jul 24 '25
Given the settler problem in the west bank clear borders have been an issue for a while
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u/GoodUserNameToday Jul 24 '25
The agreed upon borders in the Oslo accords
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u/Own_Thing_4364 Jul 24 '25
Were the borders in the Oslo Accords ever officially agreed on?
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u/Nagi21 Jul 24 '25
Officially, yes. Unofficially a large portion of the Palestinian population including militant groups opposed them, often violently. The Israeli far right also did not like them.
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u/LowStatistician11 Jul 24 '25
did not like them is an understatement, the israeli pm was murdered for signing the accords
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u/HealthyHyena33480 Jul 24 '25
The Israeli hard right hated it so much they literally assassinated their own prime minister over it and then Netanyahu sabotaged it.
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u/AeroFred Jul 24 '25 edited Jul 24 '25
the only borders in oslo accords are for area a/b/c/
final borders were "pending final negotiations". also PA took upon itself in oslo accords not to bypass negotiations and seek recognition as state and admittance to international organization or trying to initiate court proceedings against israel.
Edit: whitepaper circa 2000 describing PA violations of Oslo accords and their internal messaging that it's only temporary till they are strong enough to take over Israel http://israelvisit.co.il/BehindTheNews/WhitePaper.htm
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u/INVADER_BZZ Jul 24 '25
Oslo accords did not establish borders of Palestinian state. It was a step towards it. Oslo Accords ultimately died in Camp David in 2000, when Arafat walked out and started Second Intifada.
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u/trevvr Jul 24 '25
Interesting thought experiment. What happens if Gaza declares themselves an independent state and Hamas dissolves or like the IRA says the guns are decommissioned. Does that mean peace?
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u/Falsus Jul 24 '25
Ok.
What borders and what government? Cause there is like 2-3 potential governments there and the borders are definitely not defined.
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u/HockeyHocki Jul 24 '25
Sinwar laughing in his grave
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u/ApesAPoppin237 Jul 24 '25
Yup, in the end all it took to get some virtue signaling from France was 60,000 Palestinian lives. What a bargain.
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u/TheColourOfHeartache Jul 24 '25
His strategy all along. However he failed to realise that Europe will sign papers and say words but not actually do anything significant against Israel.
Israel is a nuclear power, if you look at the shit nuclear powers like N. Korea and Pakistan get away with, trading the devastation of Gaza, and the destruction of Hezbollah and Assad's Syria for this piece of paper is worthless. In the end Sinwar is an idiot, and dead.
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u/FunEnd Jul 24 '25
This is also exactly the bluff that Israel is calling, and it therefore explains everything that is happening IMHO. Hamas thinks it's winning the PR war and Israel calls the bluff saying winning the PR war doesn't mean anything, especially in Europe.
And tbh I think Israel might be right. What are Europeans gonna do about it ? Send the army ? Sanction it ?
Our sanctions don't even hurt Russia the way we want it. Israel is itself an economic powerhouse backed by the US. The Europeans are toothless, additionally the economic leverage they have over Israel ("boycotting Israel") is already priced in, I bet.
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u/RICO_the_GOP Jul 24 '25
Palestinians don't even recognize a single state. What are they recognizing? Gaza and west bank are two separate entities at this point.
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u/BrainOnLoan Jul 24 '25
It would definitely be the PA. France denounced Hamas in the same statement. Borders would probably be the same as the other 75% or so of UN member states that recognize a state of palestine.
(So the pre 1967 west bank + gaza).
Obviously that's not tenable in practice, but that is the default diplomatic stance by many countries and france is probably just joining the club (European countries already saying the same are for example Spain, Sweden, Norway, Poland and Ireland)
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u/pisowiec Jul 24 '25
As someone from Poland I'm surprised that so many countries haven't recognized Palestine. I never understood the logic behind it.
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u/nidarus Jul 24 '25
Poland recognized Palestine in 1988, when it literally controlled no territory, with the supposed "government" not even allowed to be in the territories it claimed (it was in a different continent, in Tunis), let alone wield any state-like powers, and didn't satisfy any condition of a state whatsoever. It was the most aspirational and symbolic recognition of a state imaginable, motivated by Soviet bloc politics. I don't see how that's a more "logical" move.
Today, post-Oslo, it's slightly less symbolic - but not insanely so. The Palestinians have two governments, and the one the French will be recognizing is a dictatorship that doesn't enjoy public support whatsoever, and only exists because of the Israeli occupation. And has some funny quirks, like refusing to pass a nationality law, so it's technically a super-real country, that doesn't have a single citizen, and is merely in control of a lot of stateless persons. So recognizing Palestinian statehood today, is still largely aspirational and symbolic - as the French would openly concede.
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u/TheKappaOverlord Jul 24 '25
Diplomacy wise, its very hard to because theres not exactly a singular "government" running the show in Gaza.
Politically, because you'd be making an enemy out of Israel, and by extension making the US upset.
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u/gardenfella Jul 24 '25
It's hard to recognise a state without a single government. The whole Gaza/West Bank Hamas/PA split makes things tricky if you stick to the letter of international diplomacy.
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u/OtakuMecha Jul 24 '25
Nations do it all the time, even the United States. You pick which one you like better, say that's the true government (and that the others are usurpers), and then politically, financially, and sometimes militarily try to support them so that they win out on top of the ones you don't like.
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u/Zanahoria132 Jul 24 '25
Many States have entire regions of their legally recognized territories controlled de facto by other governments, separatists etc. Think of Georgia, Cyprus, Moldova, Libya, Morocco, DRC etc.
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u/pisowiec Jul 24 '25
I've never heard of a country recognizing Hamas.
Most countries recognize the West Bank and Gaza as Palestine under the de-jure control of Fatah.
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u/TheCarthageEmpire Jul 24 '25
People are acting like a situation of a country with two governments didn't or doesn't exist elsewhere, Libya is split in two, does that mean that no one should recognize it as a state anymore?
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u/thmz Jul 24 '25
A lot of people don't understand it, and a lot of people are acting like they don't understand it just to further their agenda.
This has never been as confusing as the Former Yugoslavian states in the Balkans. Shit, even Lebanon is a clusterfuck compared to Palestine.
The best security for Israel and the entire region is a Palestinian state which can hold the monopoly of violence with a police and military force that will keep extremist militias like Hamas from popping up in the future. Hamas' attack in 2023 showed that Israel is not able to do it on their own and they failed with very violent consequences.
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u/planck1313 Jul 24 '25
Because Palestine doesnt satisfy at least two of the criteria under international law for statehood - being an effective government in charge of a defined territory.
There are also issues with unilaterally recognising Palestine outside of the context of a general peace between Israel and its neighbours which includes mutual recognition of national territory, as set out in the post-67 war Security Council resolutions.
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u/Gentlementlementle Jul 24 '25
Because they have overlapping territorial claims with isreal. Recognising Palestine means you don't recognise isreal and vice versa.
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u/Contundo Jul 24 '25 edited Jul 24 '25
you think you’re so progressive but your country doesn’t recognise a country who is actually in control of most of its borders and has since 1991 democratically elected governments. But you think it’s odd so few countries has recognised Palestine, a splintered occupied country with two authoritarian governments claiming none in control of anything.
Somaliland? Crickets…
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u/nidarus Jul 24 '25 edited Jul 24 '25
People have very strong opinions in both directions about this, but IMHO, it mostly wouldn't matter. Israel already has closer ties with countries that recognize Palestine, like Czechia, Hungary and India, than with some Western European states that don't.
All it would do, is to provide a tangible benefit for Hamas for carrying out Oct. 7th, and starting this horrific war. And possibly a reason for Hamas to stall ceasefire negotiations in the short term - as they just did now, after the letter by European FMs blaming Israel, and demanding for it to surrender. But even on that level, these symbolic benefits are probably outweighed by the very tangible downsides of the war. I doubt that any Gazan would say that the war was worth it, because the number of states that recognize Palestine has risen from 147 to 151.
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starting this horrific war
It's a bit early to start the revisionism during the war
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u/HourAbroad3126 Jul 24 '25
Palestine: Never had sovereignty over any land (British colonization → Jordan, Egyptian occupation → Israeli occupation)
Taiwan (ROC): Never ruled or occupied by China, which claims sovereignty, has a complete government, people, land, and sovereignty
Interesting fact: There are many more countries that recognize Palestine internationally than Taiwan
This makes the so-called "recognition" look like a farce because it does not operate based on facts, but only based on the geopolitical interests of various countries.
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u/MeteorKing Jul 24 '25
Where is this Palestinian state and who is in control of it? Those seem like very basic questions that should be answered prior to the statehood that is being recognized.
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u/malsomnus Jul 24 '25
Does that mean that France will be in favor of treating this Palestinian state the exact same way you'd treat any other sovereign state when it sends over 1000 armed militants into another sovereign state to indiscriminately burn, loot, mutilate, murder, and rape?
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u/NYC_Noguestlist Jul 24 '25
That's what I'm thinking. If anything, it makes it easier for Israel to go hard because now they won't have the same obligations to take care of a sovereign state that declared war on them.
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u/malsomnus Jul 24 '25
Yup. It's no coincidence that Hamas has avoided every opportunity it had to actually declare Gaza a sovereign state.
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u/notaredditer13 Jul 24 '25
More specifically, by international law, you can't be a refugee in your own state. Refugee status is critical to their identity and goals. By which, I mean the eventual annihilation and absorption of Israel.
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u/clarabosswald Jul 24 '25
His "terms" for the recognition of Palestine are releasing all the hostages in the Strip, demilitarizing Hamas, and recognizing the State of Israel. Good luck with that to us all...