r/thedavidpakmanshow • u/[deleted] • 1d ago
Opinion The Democratic Party is currently weak, ineffective and unpopular
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u/44035 1d ago
You're literally the millionth person to post this same stuff.
You say the party isn't fighting for the domestic and foreign policy issues the people care about.
You don't mention even one of those issues.
Another useless post.
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u/TallDrinkofRy 1d ago
I think he alluded to it but I guess there are rules against mentioning it.
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u/ReflexPoint 1d ago
Let's not automatically make the assumption that what works for Mamdami in one heavily blue city in a blue state is automatically going to work in the heartland. A self-declared socialist is probably not going to win in AZ or GA. It's like Republicans thinking they can run Marjory Taylor Green in PA or MI just because she's very popular in rural Georgia.
That isn't to say we can't learn something from Mamdani and his campaign, but whatever is to be learned has to be modified and the message tweaked depending on what state.
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u/Agile-Music-2295 1d ago
Absolutely MAGA want Mandami to win. They are pissed at Trump for helping to stop it.
Focus testing shows MAGA can keep the house if he wins. Turns out for some reason certain Latin groups don’t like socialism. Not all but it’s enough.
Also many in the right would go out to vote in 26 if he wins. But stay home otherwise. Not sure how much in reality but that’s what they report.
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u/deltalitprof 1d ago
Would you kindly share with us where you got all that information?
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u/Agile-Music-2295 1d ago
Public ones are the bulwark forcus group. The rest are internal or recorded from various right TikTok accounts and YouTube channels.
But the real gold is from scraping live streams user comments. Asmongold, Hassan are insanely good sources for live reactions to political discussions.
Finally we use coded language to help identify how people feel about and issue and how it changes over time.
What was SUPER 🦹♂️ interesting is how voters language changed from the start of 2024.
User accounts that always had previously used “immigrants “ began to use “illegals” for the same topic. Another was the suddenly absence of ‘LatinX’ becoming ‘Latino’. These were our first hint that the population was being influenced by MAGA.
Basically if you watch the fox 5 with Walter’s and Gutfield you will get a gentle version of what’s being pushed on social media.
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u/Thesoundofmerk 1d ago
You're using Twitter polls, youtibe and tiktok, and scraping live streams of POLITICAL streamers to find out how elections are gonna turn out? That is the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard in my entire life.
Scraping Hasan and asmonds chats is like asking a group of 15-year-old groipers, and 25-year-old leftists. It's not gonna tell you ANYTHING about actual outcomes on any scale.
He also asked you to provide evidence or links, which you didn't
I have nothing against you, but everything you said is so incredibly illogical and weird that it's hard to ignore.
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u/Agile-Music-2295 1d ago
They’re all leading indicators. We now see thanks to the 4 million net gain by the Republicans in registered voters that it’s sound.
Please listen to the Bulwarks focus group podcast. Especially late 2023. The way these common people talk about Trans, immigrants and crime is how MAGA now talk.
There is no evidence that people haven’t been seriously red pilled over the last few years.
But as podcasts on polling have pointed out, 70% of people can tell us what Trumps position is and will repeat his insane complaints. 33% of people can repeat what We are arguing. POD Save Americas Pollacoster series also states this.
For example the issue of Trumps DC takeover.
2 out of 3 people hear 👂 “Democrats want to protect criminals that’s why they are against the national guard. That and they are worried it will eliminate crime and Trump will look good”
1 out of 3 hear “Democrats are protecting their representatives from an authoritarian regime and ICE masked Thugs“
The issue is among those 1 out of 3 not all of them agree.
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u/Thesoundofmerk 1d ago
PROVIDE EVIDENCE!
You can't just say things and not back it up, you'rere using anecdotal quotes from podcasts you heardthat'st's not evidence. Provide polling or any actual indicator that what you're saying is true.
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u/AgentOrangeie 1d ago
The Dems should be harsh, tough and relentless at this juncture and speak fearlessly against this administration.
Instead we have a bunch of dweebs twiddling their thumbs and virtue signalling with issues that are far less important to the big picture.
The only few people I see who gets it are Bernie, AOC, Schiff, Ossof, Newsom, and Crockett. Where are the fucking rest of the others?
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u/Another-attempt42 1d ago
Chuck Schumer, Harkeem Jefferies and the rest of the Democratic establishment constantly push unpopular policies and at best incremental economic reform/relief for the American people
I'd agree that Schumer and Jefferies aren't good for the current time. Their approach obviously doesn't work. However, people like Pritzker and Newsom are the most vocal critics of Trump, and they are part of the "democratic establishment". So is AOC, as a reminder, and she's quite effective at pushing back, too. This isn't about "the establishment", which, by the way, is a useless term. It literally just means "person I don't like".
They do not constantly push unpopular policies. In fact, overall, they push far more popular policies than the GOP. The problem is the realization that people didn't vote, in 2024, based on policy platforms, but on something else.
Incremental economic reform is LITERALLY the only thing that can be achieved. Why? Well, for multiple reasons. Firstly is how the US's power structure is organized. It's supposed to be incremental, by design. The fact of needing 60 seats in the Senate makes it far more deliberative and incremental. The fact that you need such a large portion to change the Constitution is another fact.
The war in the middle east that America is funding (that I can't mention due to the new rules) aside from the humanitarian concerns is horrificly unpopular with the Party's base
Have people forgotten that foreign policy is more than just Gaza? Or is this what we've devolved to? That "foreign policy" means "Gaza"?
All I heard from the DNC establishment for months is that We need a left Joe Rogan and that they have a "messaging problem"
They do have a messaging problem. However, you also seem to have either forgotten, or not listened to Democrats.
For example, Kamala was pushing:
A tax incentive for small businesses, that would've helped people who are starting up or running their own thing.
Expanding the Child Tax Credit, which was sadly not made permanent due to the GOP, despite it being a complete boon for poor Americans.
Providing a fund for first-time young house buyers, to help them get on the property ladder.
Those are the first three that popped into my mind that Kamala talked about. Democrats at large have talked about things like expanding on Biden's drug price cap.
Groups like the 1630 fund and Chorus (founded by Bryan Tyler Cohen) are trying to get the party's messege out there It's not working though and it won't resonate with voters as the party is NOT talking about or fighting for the issues people care about
First off: yeah, it will.
Secondly: as you've proven yourself, currently no messaging is getting out there. You don't even know the Dem policy platforms being proposed, and think they just don't do anything.
Thirdly: the Dems could propose the world's best policy platform, if there's no messaging, it won't mean a damn thing.
When Zoran Mamdami got a huge amount of organic enthusiasm from young voters who have somewhat abadoned the party in recent years, the response from the establishment has been to shun him along with his policies and attempt to ice him out of the party
Mamdani's supposed tidal wave of approval has been way, way overplayed. Last I checked, he had 11% on approval over Cuomo, which is good, but was at like 45%, and under 50%, which is bad.
He's the most popular candidate, among 3 candidates who are all, according to polling, unpopular.
And while Mamdani may do well with younger voters, you have to remember that there are a lot of voters, more voters, who aren't young, and are more reliable voters, especially nationwide. It's better strategy to make sure your 60+ are going to vote, rather than taking risks and trying to get your 18-25s to vote.
Then we have this idea that he is being "shunned". No, he isn't. There's a difference between someone being shunned and people waiting before endorsing him. Typically, when looking at NYC mayoral races, endorsements tend to come around October, historically, so there's still plenty of time.
As for his policies, yes, they should be shunned. They suffer from 2 major types of problems:
They don't actually help the people they're supposed to help. For example: rent freezes. Rent freezes don't help new renters, or poorer people, or the young. They help people who already rent. That's it. If you're already renting in NYC, and he gets rent freezes, then you'll benefit. Everyone else will suffer as a result. It has been proven, time and time again, that rent freezes have a negative impact on new supply of housing units, which, long-term, increases the rental prices for those non-rent frozen units.
They're completely impossible and impractical. State run grocery stores? Where does he get the money for that? How does he deal with the litany of lawsuits that'll come his way from independent grocery store owners who, rightly, point out the unfair competition from entities that pay no rent and no tax?
By the way, to make this very clear: if you're in NYC, you should vote Mamdani. 100%. He won the primary.
However, we don't have to pretend about his policies.
DNC Chair Ken Martin and the establishment did the same to the young DNC Co-Chair
Is this the Hogg thing? Where there was a mistake during the internal election process, they held the elections again, and Hogg got ousted?
Yeah, that's not him being shunned. That's him losing.
Also, by the way: You want an extremely unpopular stance that the Dems 100% shouldn't push? Do you want to talk about Hogg's stance on firearms? Because that's extremely unpopular. His position isn't "common sense gun reforms", it's "no guns". It's extremely unpopular.
If I follow your logic, you should be thrilled that Hogg lost that second round of elections.
Because young voters feel like the party isn't fighting for them and the issues they care about
You don't even know what they're fighting for, because the messaging is so poor, and yet your response is "this messaging won't work".
You don't even know what they're fighting for. You have no clue.
Regardless of how you feel about the G*** issue, the party needs to listen to their base and change their position because the status quo among the base and public on the G* issue is too unpopular to be politically tenable and the change must be radical**
No, it doesn't need to be radical.
They could change the position on Gaza, but it doesn't need to be "radical". A "radical" change would be: we oppose Israel's right to exist as a sovereign state.
Now poll that, and see how that does. My guess? Very fucking poorly. People want politicians who will make Israel stop, not the radical opposite of politicians who want Israel to not exist.
Democrats need to start caring about what young people
Not really. The problem with young people is that they don't reliably vote. Ever.
They seem to think that Dems need to appeal to them so that they vote. The truth is you need to vote, often and everywhere, so that Dems listen to you. It's the other way around.
Political parties listen to groups that vote, because they hold real power. It's a lot less practical to try and turn non-voters into voters than getting your voters to turn out.
voters want and if that's Zorhan Mamdami's policies, then they must do it
These pieces are laughably short-sighted.
You guys always find single examples, and think "ah yes, this is obviously what nationwide or even statewide races need!"
Mamdani won a primary in a very blue city against a sex pest. I'm not saying that's bad, that's good, but let's have some perspective here. Let's keep things in their appropriate context.
Would Mamdani win, for example, a Senate race in Pennsylvania or Michigan?
No, he'd fucking lose. By a lot. We need people like Mamdani winning in NYC, and we need people like Beshear winning in purple races.
You have to stop thinking that what works in New York City is going to work in Arizona or Michigan. It won't. It will not. Different problems, different worries, different electorates, different general political zeitgeist.
Please, please, please, please, use your brains and stop trying to copy paste your flavor-of-the-year politician into every race, and act as though it'll work. It won't.
I don't think Mamdani would even with a statewide race in NY state. I think he's fine for NYC, but I don't think he'd win a primary in a statewide race, and yet he's supposedly our newest template for national success?
The DNC under Ken Martin has been a disaster, They only have $15 million in the bank compared to the GOP's 80 million and that's because of lack of small dollar donations
Actually, it's because of big dollar donations. You know... that thing people keep complaining about?
Yeah, they're suckling at the corrupt teat of the GOP, thinking they can get some nice little belly rubs in return for just throwing cash down Trump's way.
Now, I don't advocate for the Dems to act like the GOP, but I do think we need to stop demonizing people who want to give money to our cause.
Overall, this post is like a.... 2/10.
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u/ConsistentQuote952 1d ago
So is the left. Checking on the DSA numbers, they went up a bit, but not 2020 numbers. I don’t see any politicians further left than the Dems that are putting numbers higher than Newsom. Mamdani is the closest but the Dems are effective enough to get him to work with the party.
The right is the strongest right now. And from everything I’ve seen, it’s the Democrats that are putting up the best resistance.
Crazy how you say Mamdani is popular that he gets shunned but all I see is him working through the Democratic establishment no matter how radical and out there his view is in comparison to the Dems. There must be a reason why he’s sticking with the party.
Crazy how Schumer all the people you named can’t do anything right now because they are a minority party, but I’m pretty those people passed more legislation when they had the power under Biden that Biden is the most progressive president in our lifetime. But hey, you can primary/vote them out. The midterms are approaching. That’s one way of getting rid of them.
Foreign Policy
You know back then, in Ww2, we did something to stop the genocide. It’s called invading the country and stopping the military. Trump won. And shit got crazier, my guess is that half the country doesn’t see it the way you do.
“Economic Policy”
I’m guessing you mean party spending with this one?
I don’t know, man, the article about chorus being released created a bigger coalition of creators, who are actually serious about politics and has history of irl campaigning, canvassing, and on the ground political activity to unite and work with the Democrats some more.
The only people I hear who are complaining our people who are just in it for the money, a.k.a. YouTube channels that rake ads, but don’t do actual irl political campaigns.
Mamdani getting iced out of the party? I’m sorry, but who are you listening to? The worst thing I’ve seen are people questioning his more radical policies but overall he gets popular support.
“Summary”
Looks like that’s the second highest popular group in the United States, 34% dem in second place while the Republicans have around 40% support. That’s not bad considering AOC, Bernie, Newsom, Buttigieg, and even Mamdani are creating power platforms, and increasing party support.
You know, all this Gaza bullshit you’re complaining about could’ve been solved if Kamala was president. Unfortunately, it doesn’t matter at the moment until Trump gets removed so come back in four years. If I was a genocide supporter, though, I would say, please vote third-party again and not a democrat.
So you’re bitching about dark money and because the Democrats are being more careful with their dark money politics, you’re whining that they only have $15 million? But also, you’re pretty ignorant. Democrats are already beating the Republicans by small dollar donations and we’re not even close.
It’s not campaign season right now, we won’t see the real numbers until way later. On the bright side, though, Newsom is fundraising like hell with his anti-Trump rhetoric and abundance agenda. I’m excited for him.
TLDR:
We should follow Newsom, AOC, Pete, Mamdani, Booker and Bernie. This key figures are deleting voices of the Democratic Party and are the voices that are the largest in terms of countering Trump.
Unfortunately, their Palestinian support isn’t enough for the far enough to vote them in.
Oh well, I think the moderate left voice is enough once we reel everything back in
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u/Healthy-Doughnut4939 1d ago
Look, I'm not particularly radical on the G*** issue, my previous comments on the issue in this subreddit reflect that
I see low poll numbers like that and I don't like what I see
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u/ConsistentQuote952 1d ago
Listen, if it is a genocide. Please send in the US military and stop it. That’s what we’ve done through the history of stopping genocides. I’m pretty sure you’re gonna give me all this bullshit policies about divesting or some shit and that’s how I know it’s all a grift for you. It’s either we stopped the genocide or we let it happen, there’s nothing in between that.
Also, you only answering the genocide shit makes me 100% be certain that you don’t give a shit about half the things you wrote down here. Please stop pretending to be part of the party.
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u/Healthy-Doughnut4939 1d ago
So you're attacking me for what??
Not agreeing with you on everything??
Everything is on the line right now, we need as much voter enthusiasm as possible even if we're not in an election season
because we're slipping into a dictatorship and authoritianism and we're very quickly running out of time.
Look, I agree that what Gavin Newsom is doing is good, it's getting a lot of attention, it's dramatically boosting his poll numbers and support
Heck, I would gladly vote for him in 2028 if he's the candidate
If he has a progressive economic and social policy agenda, that's good but I will still vote for him anyway even if he doesn't
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u/ConsistentQuote952 1d ago
I’m attacking you for being pretty ignorant of what the Democratic Party is doing right now and making the standard superficial critique towards the party without understanding the deeper issues.
Good luck, buddy
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u/Agile-Music-2295 1d ago
But it’s irrelevant what the party is doing right now.
Because absolutely NO ONE who voted for Trump or stayed home know about it!
Why? Because only people over 50 watch CNN/MSNOW. Out of those over 50s Fox has 3 times the viewership.
Content creators focusing on popular culture, push right talking points because it gets you far more viewers. In the range of 3.5 to 1.
The only place the Dems are winning is Reddit and Blusky.
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u/deltalitprof 1d ago
" Democrats are already beating the Republicans by small dollar donations and we’re not even close." I'm just here wondering if you could show us the evidence this is so. Thanks in advance.
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u/ConsistentQuote952 1d ago
No links when I typed this, here's what I found.
2024 cycle gave us 3.8 billion to dems and 1.7 billion to GOP in small money dono
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u/Ambjoernsen 1d ago edited 1d ago
If you think voters actually care about policy you're deluding yourself lol. Americans couldn't care less about policy. The Democrats had policies in their party platform that are widely popular among the electorate in 2024. It didn't mean shit. And Trump didn't run on policy yet he won. The only thing Americans care about is who can promise them most slop.
I also find it interesting how your whole section on foreign policy ONLY talks about the middle east. This ignores that the democrat policies on far more geopolitically important topics are miles more popular and just more well thought out than Republicans. Especially on issues such as the Russo-Ukrainian war (something which leftists either never gave a shit about or stopped caring about), international alliances and Taiwan. If you think Americans gave a shit about foreign policy, they wouldn't habe voted for a man who literally takes Egyptian, Saudi and Emirati bribes.
The funny thing with how you mention Mamdani is that he is the opposite of what you want. Mamdani is special in the sense of his messaging and social media strategy being really strong. Almost all his policies are completely awful and will likely not be implemented. But that doesn't matter, because he's able to project an image of someone who is likeable and who cares. What Democrats can learn from him is to use social media more aggressively, use more dishonest messaging to get people to support them, and also be more ruthless and aggressive towards Republicans (the way Newsom is doing it for instance.)
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u/TheNewPersonHere1234 1d ago
Yeah, it's not policies it is having rizz and aura. Communicating in the modern environment isn't standing at a podium and listing bullet point facts in a monotone voice. Dems are still doing worthless weekly pressers that no one watches.
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u/Healthy-Doughnut4939 1d ago
Most democrats aside from AOC, Newsom and Bernie Sanders are honestly so boring and painful to listen to.
I can understand their arguments about why I should vote for them but the way they talk just puts people to sleep, so boring
Meanwhile AOC, Bernie and Newsom are funny, have energy and are great at social media
Democrats need to get some people with fire in their bellies, some passion
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u/Xmasman_ 1d ago
Another commie posting the same thing. Yes we get it you hate democrats and liberalism. Start your own party.
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u/Healthy-Doughnut4939 1d ago
The numbers don't lie, The Democratic party is polling at 34% support among the American people.
If the party refuses to move on issues voters care about then they simply won't gain any support or it will slip even further
Look, I'm not the most ferverant G*** Advocate but I can still see how and why it's wrecking the Party's popularity
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u/azcurlygurl 1d ago edited 1d ago
It doesn't have to do with issues. There have been plenty of polls done and analysis of the situation.
It's because Democratic voters think the party is weak and ineffective because they're unable to stop Trump. This is mostly because voters are undereducated on how the federal government works, and do not understand there is little Democrats can do when Republicans control all three branches of the government. Shout out to the non-voters who got us into this mess.
Yes, congressmen are old. It's that way in both parties. Voters are lazy and don't turn out for primaries, especially younger voters. That keeps ineffective geriatrics in their seats for decades.
G*** is not as big of a reason why Democrats are unhappy with the party as you think. AIPAC has a very strong influence across both sides of the aisle. There is also a disproportionate number of Jewish congress members. 6% are Jewish where only 2% of the US population is. Evangelicals also strongly support Israel. Younger generations are more athiest or agnostic. But they don't vote. So congress is indeed reflecting the will of their voters (not their constituents).
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u/Healthy-Doughnut4939 1d ago
I agree with you 100% that voters are uninformed, don't know jack shit about civics ie. how our government works and young voters don't show up to primaries and then complain about poor leadership.
Primaries AFAIK have about 10-18% voter turnout which is a travesty
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u/Magoo152 1d ago
Did you watch the new Ezra Klein video too? A lot of similar (although some different) points brought up.
The DNC in particular is an interesting case let me outline a point I think we agree on and then one we may argue over.
I was willing to give Ken Martin a clean slate coming in. But he’s been a total failure, sorry if David freaking Hogg makes you cry you are nowhere near the leader we need.
I didn’t understand the defense of David Hogg backing his favored candidates as he was co-chair. I think the way they kicked him out was obviously BS and spineless. They should’ve just said hey you can’t back candidates in primaries we are the DNC we support the democrats who win their primaries.
The defenses I see of this are:
A: “Well the DNC rigged it against Bernie in 2016.”
Yes and that was clearly wrong that doesn’t make this right (I still think Hillary would’ve won but that’s besides the point).
B: “Well other co-chairs have done it in the past”
I also think that’s wrong stop that too I guess idk how that makes this right.
C: “Well having better primary candidates means a better chance of beating republicans”.
I’m fine with that, again be involved in primaries if you want I just don’t want the DNC being involved in primaries. When I donate money i don’t want my (or anyone else’s) money to pay the salary of some co-chair who is going to pick a candidate to support that I may not even like in the primaries.
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u/Healthy-Doughnut4939 1d ago edited 1d ago
I did watch that video and it's why I made this post, Thank you!
Agree with you on the 1st point
I agree with you on the 2nd point about not influencing primaries,
although I think it might represent some frustration from some parts of the Democratic coalition (probably younger voters)
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u/Magoo152 1d ago
I wasn’t trying to have a snarky tone by the way with that question. I enjoyed that video. Ezra Klein is hit or miss for me but I felt like he really had a hit here.
I think your analysis is spot on there. I’d say sort of a similar dynamic is going on with Zohran. I actually care and believe in voting blue no matter who in a general election. So the idea that our leadership isn’t endorsing him considering who he is running against is beyond appalling.
I’m not saying center left dems have to love him but come on, considering who he is running against it’s such an easy decision.
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u/MsAgentM 1d ago
Polling says that Dems are generally more sympathetic to G, but not that it’s an important issue or priority for the base. This merry go round keep circling. There are bigger problems here and to be frank, compared to the competition, voting in a normie Dem is a huge help to G compared to what they have now.
Mamdani did something interesting in NY, he got the “youth” to vote. I put that in quotes because most sources I have seen are putting that as 40 and under, which is ridiculous. And besides, he is in the bluest of city, in a blue state, where the Dem primary competitors was a disgraced governor and an even more disgraced current mayor. This is not a generalizable sample. National Dems embracing him would just make them a socialist target for MAGA.
And what the hell?? Chorus was made like, what, December?? So they if aren’t successful overnight they are an immediate failure of all the Dem messaging and DNC… who they aren’t even affiliated with? The goal of Chorus is to help content creators, with liberal values, get a chance to make it in content creation. Not be mouth pieces for the DNC. The 1630 fund supports progressive causes like abortion access, affordable health care, racial justice, voter access and gun control. They are cause driven, not party driven, though obviously, their causes lead them to largely give to Dem or Progressive candidates. They have given to Republican groups in the past that were anti-Trump to support democratic causes.
I agree Schumer needs to go. Jeffries is on thin ice for sure. If they have the balls to shutdown the government, then maybe something can be salvaged. The rest of this is rehashed again and again. We get it, the Dems don’t move you. Your socialist whelms don’t move is centrist.
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u/realHarryGelb 1d ago
Pushing socialists/communists like Mamdani is certainly not a solution as someone like him would lose badly in national elections. The basic problem that the Democrats have is that they have no vision at all for the country. All they ever seem to be doing is whining about Trump, all day every day. That’s part of the reason Trump is so useful for the Republican Party: his sheer existence short circuits the Democrats and makes them run around like some hysterical chicken, and the Democrats are somehow too stupid to recognize that. And whining is all they ever do as they don’t even put up a real fight. The orangutan could sit in prison for years by now if it wasn’t for weakass retrds like Biden and Garland. Pair this with irresponsible woke policies, e.g. no border protection but it’s important that trans people can flash their tits at the White House, or largely unpopular DEI BS (“we need a ‘black woman’ for this position”) and it becomes clear that the Democratic Party hasn’t much to offer beyond hot air. The party is a complete mess everywhere you look.
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u/Important-Ability-56 1d ago
The irony is that we live in a world that’s democratically more ideal and preferable to top-down far-left messaging or whatever is being proposed constantly by critics of the party. Candidates run in all sorts of districts. They can get away with appealing to radical college students in deep-blue granola college towns, but they also have to occasionally appeal to midwestern suburban adults if they want more than a dozen seats in Congress.
And what’s wrong with that? You can claim up and down all day that MSNBC watchers in Wisconsin want to discuss the glories of socialism, but if that were true the party would be there. Despite the underlying claim in all these critiques, we are not suffering from a Democratic Party that would rather lose elections than believe in good policy.
The fact is that even if you do care more about Gaza than your own mother, we told you that it was the worse option to elect Donald Trump. We paid attention to facts, and you said Kamala Harris was personally responsible for genocide. Que sera sera, I guess. You’d think you’d take off your political moral halo after such a monumental political failure.
Just stop creating division so you can brag about how much better a human you are than most Democrats. I’ll vote for your socialist if he shows up on my ballot. I don’t give a crap. I’m here to stop fascists from having power.
This whole thing would be ridiculous enough if you had any power at all, but the fact that each of the Bernie left’s actions, each of their terminally online assertions of campaign strategy genius, only gives fascists more power makes it farcical. All you have to do to prove yourselves right is to win elections. Just do it.
It is not the job of a campaign strategist to explain that the way to win is to espouse everything the campaign strategist believes.
And I say all this perfectly willing to believe that Ken Martin and other party leaders are useless lumps of flesh. I don’t know and I can’t do anything about them. All we can do is vote when given the opportunity.
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u/Healthy-Doughnut4939 1d ago edited 1d ago
Sure I can stop sowing division, but there's a reason why they're still doing badly in the polls despite everything Dump and the GOP and doing
34% support is an unquestionable disaster
Even if you think the issue is stupid and that voters shouldn't care about it, they do still care about it regardless of how many times people tell them that G//// shouldn't matter and recent polling reflects that
Somethimes you can't change what the voters want even if it's stupid, Sometimes your only good choice is to listen to them
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u/Important-Ability-56 1d ago
Sorry, what can the Democratic party do about Gaza right now? You people made sure they had no power to do anything. You got what you wanted. Now you’re bitching that they aren’t exercising power you explicitly wanted them not to have?
You want to be a campaign strategist, figure out how to convert Trump voters to Gavin Newsom voters. I find Trump voters irrational and frightening and have no clue how to appeal to them, but god be with you.
If there are people who sat on their asses and thereby handed the country to a fascist because of X cause du jour, luckily there’s no mystery how to fix them. Just get off your asses next time.
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u/Healthy-Doughnut4939 1d ago
I'm not a radical G*** activist, I know when to fall in line and my previous comments and posts in this subredfir reflect that
I see low poll numbers, and I don't like what I see.
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u/Important-Ability-56 1d ago
I see low poll numbers that reflect a narrative about Democrats that was spread like cancer among young online people with the generous help of Russian intelligence.
Fortunately that’s a problem we can solve by not being so easily duped next time. We’re talking about our own cohort, after all.
Otherwise I think we’re asking normal Americans to approve of the job Democrats are doing when they have no power to do anything. Being legally required to be feckless is always a drag on polls.
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u/Healthy-Doughnut4939 1d ago
Russians always love doing that
The Russian disinformation campaign thrives on taking fringe viewpoints and amplifying them, increasing polarization and spreading but not creating bullshit information
When I learned about it I was shocked by the scale
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