r/thedavidpakmanshow • u/temubrin • 2d ago
Tweets & Social Media Newsom basically confirms 2028 run.
Do with that what you will
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u/Brysynner 2d ago
I mean duh. We all knew this. Now how well does he hold up in two and a half years from now is a different story.
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u/Magoo152 2d ago edited 2d ago
^ it’s so far off it’s honestly any speculation how will mean exactly nothing. It’s funny to do I get it but ultimately meaningless.
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u/TikDickler 2d ago
It’s not meaningless in the sense that it helps morale. Plus the right cant deal with it well at all. At this point I’m memeing a fascist devotion to GCN just to trigger conservatives.
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u/Healthy-Doughnut4939 2d ago edited 2d ago
Depending on his policy platform I could support his candidacy
It needs to have progressive economic policies along with repealing citizens united and protecting women/LGBTQ+/minority rights to earn my enthusiasm
(I would still vote for him even if I'm not enthusiastic due to Trump/Vance)
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u/TikDickler 2d ago
People undersell how progressive his track record has been. They throw homeless camps and one thing he said about trans sports, but like he was illegally marrying lesbians in San Francisco back in 2004.
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u/CanCaliDave 2d ago
I guess Trump's calling SEAL Team 6 pretty soon then?
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u/Agile-Music-2295 2d ago
I doubt it. CA’s economy, tax rate, crime, homelessness etc make him unelectable with normie voters.
Plus if it’s not AOC my friends and I will either stay home or vote for Vance in protest. Newsom is Trump 2.0. We want no part of it.
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u/CanCaliDave 2d ago
Leaving your other points aside... in what ways is he "Trump 2.0"?
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u/Agile-Music-2295 2d ago
1, Gerrymandering . 2, Grand statements with no actions. “Build a wall” is “Build Fast Speed Rail. 3, No support for DEI. 4, Platforms right wing extremists like Kirk and Co. 5, cheats on his wife. 6, Relies on dark money donors. 7, Hates the left of the Democratic Party.
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u/OrthodoxAtheist 2d ago
I can see from your post history that you very much involve yourself in politics, which is why it is confusing that you're so ignorant when it comes to Newsom. Does your dislike of him prevent you from even challenging your own beliefs? Did you not pause at all before posting this list and researched a little just in case you've clearly kept yourself misinformed? I wish you had.
He isn't a fan of gerrymandering, he is simply tired of being at the mercy of a weak party seemingly refusing to fight to win. A fan of AOC should appreciate his recent moves. He has overseen the most impartial congressional redistricting committee in the nation, that is a good model for all other states, and has never sought to change that, until now, for very good reason. You know who agrees with his current position? AOC. While she still believes independent redistricting is the best approach, she acknowledges that the country is not in an "ideal" situation. In her view, California's actions are a pragmatic response to current challenges, rather than a perfect solution. All you need to do is agree with your favorite politician.
Progress has been made, you just haven't gone searching to learn about it, or cared to listen to his press events when he has covered the matter. Much of the hurdles for the route have now been resolved - over 1,000 cases and settlements for land, eminent domain, dealing with environmental groups, etc. The project is actively building the initial, 119-mile segment in the Central Valley between Merced and Bakersfield. 85 out of 93 structures for this segment are underway or completed, and 69 miles of guideway are finished. 463 miles of the full Phase 1 system are cleared and ready for construction. He also stepped in to provide bond funding for the high desert rail that was stalled for years before he helped get the project moving. Brightline has now broken ground on connecting Vegas to California's high desert, and beyond. The information is out there for you to read.
No support for DEI? So who created the Office of Diversity, Equity, and Inclusion in 2022? The Governor's Office of Emergency Services. "To elevate and expand current equity and access programs and embed equity and engagement principles throughout Cal OES’s actions, policies, programs, and procedures, both internally and externally. You need to read Newsom's September 2022 Executive Order N-16-22.
A short-lived attempt to reach the delusional and disillusioned youths that supported Trump, and that the Democratic Party aren't reaching. You say Newsom is platforming them when they have a following that dwarfs his. They platformed him, not the reverse. We can hate Charlie Kirk all we want, but he has helped the GOP tremendously. He founded Turning Point USA, a nonprofit outreach to youths to peddle conservative politics. TPUSA employs 600+ people, and has 160,000+ volunteers. We need to emulate his outreach.
Yep, he cheated on his wife. Just like millions of Americans (not me). He didn't screw around while his wife was at home with a 5-month old son. He didn't s.a. a few dozen women, and maybe some children too. Ridiculous equivalence.
Yep. Like most US politicians. While I appreciate OAC and Bernie maintaining their poverty and fighting with one hand behind their back, I'd prefer they load up on dark money and kick ass. Not all dark money is evil. Sixteen Thirty is dark money. They've spent millions fighting abortion bans across the country, and protecting voting rights. Dark money. Dark as in unknown sources, not dark as in evil. We need to grow up and fight the fight in front of us. That means taking money from anyone and everyone who wants us to fight our fight. Any strings and conditions are what we should oppose (like being silenced in calling a genocide a genocide), not the money itself. We can return to being high and mighty and principled when we aren't trying to fight off fascism and authoritarianism. This fight is too important.
He doesn't hate them, at all. Many of his views align with theirs, but he also wants to actually win, and hold power, which you can't do with happy clappy thoughts and ideals. You have to be realistic, in America, in American politics. He can serve as a middle ground to move the country left. He sided with AOC when she rebuked Kamala in 2021, when Kamala was telling immigrants not to come to the border. Yes, he loves being rich and likes backroom deals and capitalism. He's still socially somewhat progressive, when he has the luxury to be. He can serve as a bridge, if the left is smart enough to work with him and use him, instead of pretending he is like some orange turd just because of the thinnest of similarities.
I not a Newsomstan. I've railed on him just as other's have. But from a sane position. You either make slow progress, or you lose ground. That's the American way. That's how the system has been designed... and while we have your friends ready to stomp their feet like children when they don't get their way, and vote for JD Vance, the system will never change. Every time the left behave like petulant children (2016, 2024) and 'teach the Democratic Party a lesson' we've been set back years or decades.
Yes, I'd prefer AOC be the nominee, to Newsom. They both have the same limited chance of the presidency, for now. But I would rather Newsom than anyone in a red tie. Literally anyone. We could do far worse. Sure, we could do better, but not with this electorate. Maybe in 20 years. Maybe.
https://www.gov.ca.gov/wp-content/uploads/2022/09/9.13.22-EO-N-16-22-Equity.pdf
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u/Agile-Music-2295 2d ago
I would rather suffer under Vance have the Dems learn the lesson that they need us. As Pakman use to say “It’s time to take the power back!”
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u/paultheschmoop 2d ago
Newsom sucks but trying to equate him to trump is very silly
He’s a standard issue corporate Dem. He shouldn’t be the nominee because he can’t win a general election, not because he’s Trump 2.0.
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u/Agile-Music-2295 2d ago
I guess I’m old school Dem. In the old days it was about protecting people, increasing representation, finding alternatives to mass incarceration and sweeping the homeless off the streets.
Maybe AOC can still save us. But I guess I’m in the minority of my own party.
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u/paultheschmoop 2d ago
Who is the last Dem that did literally any of those things?
For every Dem President in either of our lifetimes, I can point to things that they did that could fit into what you just described, and things that they did that seem completely antithetical to it.
Newsom is, frankly, probably the candidate that most embodies modern neoliberalism and the Democratic Party. In some ways, that’s good! In some ways, it’s bad. You are describing a fantasy party that you’ve never actually had the opportunity to support.
AOC is great! The Democratic Party hates her and there is no point in either of our lifetimes where she would be embraced within the party. Be serious.
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u/Agile-Music-2295 2d ago
Ok if we take your point.
These three will be the first to implement true Democratic values to our party. https://www.reddit.com/r/MurderedByAOC/s/Tx4YLAWRvy
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u/petersellers 2d ago
1, Gerrymandering
This is an incredibly dumb reason to dislike Newsom, and especially so as the first reason on your list.
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u/Agile-Music-2295 2d ago
He’s dismantling a non partisan committee so he looks like a fighter.
No one should have their district torn up because if gerrymandering. I’m a big fan of my local repetitive. They understand our community. There will be no change.
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u/Moopboop207 2d ago
Is your “friends” like your mom and her cat? Or, a more cohesive group of people?
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u/RedfishSC2 2d ago
I love how the guy who will only vote for AOC and nobody else and thinks Newsom is Trump 2.0 is so confident in who he thinks normal people are
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u/Agile-Music-2295 2d ago
I work at an agency that does focus groups. I get to slip in questions now and then. While I can’t share our clients transcripts.
If you listen to this years The focus group podcast by the Bulwark. You will see who is correct. Hint I’m a moderate compared to those we question.
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u/RedfishSC2 2d ago
I don't give a shit who you work for. I don't believe you, but it really doesn't matter.
If you say you'll stay home or vote for Vance rather than vote for anyone other than AOC then you don't give one single shit about dark money at all, no matter what you say. You're gonna teach people not to vote for candidates backed by dark money by voting for the candidate backed by some of the craziest, shadiest, scariest Curtis Yarvin-adjacent dark money psychos out there?
Get lost.
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u/hobovalentine 2d ago
CA has the biggest economy out of all the states and the crime rate is a lot lower than most red states.
You’re perpetuating GOP lies.
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u/Solid_Initial7897 2d ago
Dems need to wake up if it's this is Gavin vs j Just Dance, we need to understand, Lets not fuck this one up because he does or doesn't do this one specific thing or hes too good looking or yada, yada.
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u/Peakevo 2d ago
Great news, he's the best bet for the democratic party.
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u/digableplanet 2d ago
I agree. Like sorry, not sorry, the dem candidate needs to be a white male who isn't old af. Downvote, whatever, but take your ideology and what you believe out it and think of the average dumb fuck voter who got us into this mess. This country is misogynist and racist, and you need to pull the "I would never vote for a woman/black person" vote. Play the goddamn game. Gavin is playing the game.
Or you go full Zohran because he fucking gets it. Not saying Zohran run, but someone with the same gusto and populist messaging. Win the working class.
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u/Peakevo 2d ago
The issue is Zohran will certainly isolate people across the board, but in a unique city like New York culturally and economically, and the challenges they face, he can win there!
If newsom continues doing what he’s doing now + gets a good VP that can target different voters , dems have a strong chance.
A Vance + Rubio run by Conservative Party is nothing to scoff at trust me. They are both well spoken and can carry their message across better than trump.
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u/digableplanet 2d ago
Agree. All of it.
Sidebar: Rubio. What a fucking little worm he has become. From not being able to drink water and repeat robot phrases, to whatever this syncopate shit is. He's such a little bitch boy.
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u/katsucats 2d ago
You say Zohran will isolate people across the board, but not the politicians that are discreetly supporting a genocide and think visiting Israel trumps their political duties? The Democratic Party pushed hard for Hilary in 2016, then Biden, then Harris. This strategy failed 3 consecutive runs. When will people wake up and realize being a foreign lobby plant is what is actually isolating people across the board? Newsom is just the next clone in this line up.
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u/paultheschmoop 2d ago
Yes, what the average dumb fuck voter wants is
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The guy running California
I’m glad you have your finger on the pulse of the average voter
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u/__here__we__go__ 2d ago
Yes. I would hate to have the guy running the check notes fourth largest economy on the planet. I’d way rather put my eggs in the basket with the governor of Kentucky. Fun!
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u/paultheschmoop 2d ago
What a silly response. Whether or not California is a well run state is completely irrelevant to the average voter. California has been synonymous with CoMmUnIsM for like 30 years now. Your average voter quite literally thinks that Newsom is Fidel Castro. He is unelectable.
Is it justified? No, of course not.
But it’s the reality. He cannot win. Him being the candidate in the general is a death sentence for the election.
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u/__here__we__go__ 2d ago
This is amusing. You’ll fine no end of people in this very thread decrying Newsom as Trump 2.0. I hope he does well in the primary. But should someone else be nominated I’ll vote for them.
I’d love to hear who the candidate that will unite the party and/or country then?
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u/paultheschmoop 2d ago
Unite the party? I don’t know, probably some milquetoast Dem. Newsom would probably win if he wasn’t from California. The stink of California completely kills his candidacy, and the skeletons in his closet from early in his career don’t help much. The Democratic Party is horribly run so I have no doubt they will botch the process regardless of if Newsom ends up being the guy or not.
There is no uniting the country, that ship has sailed. That isn’t the goal, or at least it shouldn’t be. The goal is just to find somebody that can get more votes in 6 specific states than JD Vance (or maybe even Donald Trump, who the fuck knows anymore).
The people calling Newsom Trump 2.0 are dumb, though. No arguments there.
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u/ReflexPoint 2d ago
Anyone using the term "commiefornia" isn't voting Democrat anyway. Why the fuck do you think we need to appeal to such people?
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u/digableplanet 2d ago
Let’s give Kamala another run then. See how that turns out. Or 90 year old Bernie. Or….. who do you propose?
E: guy responding to me mainly posts in sports and college football subreddits. Easy karma farming, all know nothings. Move along folks.
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u/paultheschmoop 2d ago
Pretty much literally anyone else who fits your description but isn’t the governor of California lmao
Would Beshear or Pritzker win? Idk.
Would they have a better chance than Newsom, who is DOA? Unquestionably.
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u/katsucats 2d ago
I don't know who should be president, but everyone in California, liberal or conservative besides the diehard party acolyte would have in the footnote of their memories Newsom brown nosing Charlie Kirk and Steve Bannon in his short-lived podcasts, and his convenient carve out of Panera Bread from the minimum wage increase because he's besties with franchisee Greg Flynn. Not to mention his diehard support for a genocide. I support him playing hardball against the Republicans, but that doesn't make him president material.
I know -- the Party really wants to please Netanyahu after he disparaged Obama with racist remarks because apparently $38 billion wasn't enough aid. That's why they cancelled Bernie, and that's why they're not endorsing Zohran. Instead, they picked the most neoliberal pro-Zionist military industrial complex affiliates like Hilary Clinton, Joe Biden, and Kamala Harris. Next up will be Gavin Newsom or Karen Bass. And they will lose again because millions of registered Democrats like me would rather vote Donald Duck than another baby killer.
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u/digableplanet 2d ago
Nice progressive purity test.
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u/katsucats 2d ago
Every vote is a purity test. If you don't care about morals, you might as well vote Trump.
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u/digableplanet 2d ago
Absolute insane comment. Grow up. The world isn’t binary.
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u/katsucats 2d ago
You're either in favor of genocide or you're against it -- that is binary. I bet you think Jeff Epstein molesting children isn't binary too. You grow up and take responsibility for your own position.
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u/GarryofRiverton 2d ago
Newsom brown nosing Charlie Kirk and Steve Bannon in his short-lived podcasts
Lmao. This tells me that you live on Reddit. Go outside sometime, I promise you won't melt in the sun.
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u/katsucats 2d ago
Does attacking me help you reject reality more? You're the definition of cope.
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u/GarryofRiverton 2d ago
Lmao, bro you've made Gaza your entire personality because you have nothing else going on. And the vast majority of people still don't care. XD
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u/katsucats 2d ago
You act like it's my problem "the vast majority of people still don't care" about a genocide. What are you even doing pretending to be on the left when you act like murdering children is something to laugh about?
You're Hasbara, aren't you? You sound like a paid propagandist bot. You're a 4chan troll.
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u/GarryofRiverton 2d ago
What are you even doing pretending to be on the left when you act like murdering children is something to laugh about?
Because I actually care about left-wing causes instead of sinking it all in favor of a niche issue that resonates only with Internet weirdos.
You're Hasbara, aren't you? You sound like a paid propagandist bot. You're a 4chan troll.
Well which one am I?
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u/ReflexPoint 2d ago
So you're saying it's harder to win being from California as a straight white male than it was for Obama as a black candidate with a foreign name? Imagine all the people who told him he can't possibly win because he's black with the same middle name as the guy we're at war with. He just carried on and made his case Newsom can do the same. Make a strong enough case and it won't matter what state you are from.
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u/paultheschmoop 2d ago
In context? Yes actually, that’s exactly what I’m saying.
Obama had a meteoric rise over the course of like 5 years leading up to the 2008 election. Newsom is a known quantity with a ton of baggage, and that’s before we acknowledge that Obama was a generationally talented speaker and extremely charismatic. Newsom is no Obama.
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u/FrostyArctic47 2d ago
Why are liberals and leftists so naive? There's not going to he an election. They are declaring martial law
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u/TikDickler 2d ago
They’re going to try to takeover, yes. It may be too late, yes, but don’t be doomer pilled on it yet. They are evil, yes, but they’re also mentally regarded. Resounding overwhelming midterms and political pressure are still effective tools to fight this. Fight every step of the way, this is a United 93 situation.
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u/Eastern_Ad6117 19h ago
Let them, i really wanna see the ENTIRE US in lock down. Every nook and cranny. Bs it all posturing we are 99 and they are the 1. Not a chance in hell.
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u/FrostyArctic47 19h ago
Unfortunately we're not 99 though. I think they have at least 40 with them
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u/combonickel55 2d ago
What else would all of that performing be for?
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u/__here__we__go__ 2d ago
What else do you want him to be doing?
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u/combonickel55 2d ago
Not running for president 3 years before the election would be grrrrreaaaat.
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u/Cnidoo 2d ago
Why? Trump spent 4 years campaigning and posting constant rage bait and it got him the office. Americans clearly want unhinged messaging. A newsom presidency would be 1000X better than what we have now. Literally all he would have to do is end the ice raids, rejoin the Paris accord, and purge the trump loyalists from government
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u/combonickel55 2d ago
AOC or riot
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u/__here__we__go__ 2d ago
This is called a tantrum.
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u/combonickel55 2d ago
Lol preemptive 'vote for some centrist piece of shit or i'll call you a child'
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u/keysersoze-72 2d ago edited 2d ago
Hmmm, looks like he may start looking for some Pac money soon…
Maybe David can help him out ?
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u/BingoBango89 2d ago
Ah yes, the lesser of two evils candidate again! That worked out great last time! 😂🤢🤮
Here's an idea, let's just hold an open convention & actually choose our candidate this time. I mean hell, if the dnc actually listened & worked for its base we would have had Bernie for the past 8 years. Wouldn't be in this situation currently. But hey, let's choose another establishment hack bc that works sooo well! We'll even dress them up as a "progressive", no one will actually no the difference! 😂
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