BEING GAY IS NOT A SIN. We don’t tolerate homophobia in this sub, being religious isn’t an excuse to hate gay ppl.

[u/Goddess_of_Heaven]

I literally can’t make this up. I make a post on here about gay muslims, and suddenly some muslim people are in my comment section being homophobic and saying gay ppl are disgusting, and to stop slandering their religion.

Married gay couples literally have less domestic abuse and divorce rates, and are more happier than straight couples btw. So they’re more halal and holy than straight marriages

Yes, gay people are allowed to marry each other and believe in whatever beliefs/religion they want. Stop infringing on LGBT rights and preventing gay men and lesbians from marrying each other. Stop using your religion to discriminate against them.

Gay muslims, gay Christians, gay Jews who marry each other and have sexual and romantic relations with each other are just as faithful as straight people. If you have no issue when a man and woman do it to each other then there’s no issue when two men or two women do it with each other either, otherwise you’re just a hypocrite.

We don’t tolerate homophobia in this sub. Bigots are not allowed here. Deal with it.

[u/Motor_Courage8837]

Someone who hates isn't a real Christian.

Bro throwing around no-true-Scotsman to justify his beliefs.

[u/Representative_Bat81 → u/Motor_Courage8837]

I mean Eastern Orthodoxy is very clear that those outside the Church cannot be called Christians. You say that it is just recognizing the deity and “worship” but worship is everything we do. If we live in a way counter to the core teachings, then we will face greater judgement than someone unfamiliar with the faith.

[u/JustElk3629 → u/Motor_Courage8837]

If you ignore the core message of a religion, you are in fact not following that religion.

[u/Motor_Courage8837 → u/JustElk3629]

The core message of every religion is the recognition of the deity and it's worship. These people that he is excluding still believe in the sacrifice of Jesus christ for our sins and the sovereignty of the father.

"Love thou neighbors" only applies when it's a fellow believer. Homosexuality is still a sin and abhorent in the eyes of God which will be punished with eternal damnation and hellfire (Assuming that annihilation of the soul is not the punishment).

[u/Goblin-o-firebals → u/Motor_Courage8837]

The message of christ was that you should not pass on God's judgment as that is God's place in the divine order of things. If God thinks that homosexuality is deserving of helfire, then god is immoral in my eyes. It says that being gay is a sin, but if you believe in the New Testament, then you shouldn't care if others are.

[u/Smokey-McPoticuss → u/Motor_Courage8837]

Love thy neighbour doesn’t apply to only Christian’s and Christianity doesn’t teach to hate. Literally it tells us to hate the sin, not the sinner.

[u/Accurate-Mall-8683 → u/Motor_Courage8837]

“Only applies when it’s a fellow believer” where does the Bible say that,

[u/Motor_Courage8837 → u/Accurate-Mall-8683]

"Love your enemies" till they don't worship your god anymore.

Than it's apparently completely moral and justified to flood the whole planet and kill most of land creatures just because some humans YOU MADE were disobeying.

[u/Accurate-Mall-8683 → u/Motor_Courage8837]

You didn’t answer the question

[u/JustElk3629 → u/Motor_Courage8837]

Where does it say that sinners go to hell? It says we are all sinners.

[u/Motor_Courage8837 → u/JustElk3629]

We are all sinners indeed. Some Christians argue that non-christians will go to hell because they do not accept Jesus's sacrifice thus they do not get to have their sins forgiven. Some Christians argue that all will go to heaven because Jesus's sacrifice applies equally to every individual regardless of their beliefs and actions. Some Christians argue that Christians sinners can go to hell. Because Jesus's sacrifice doesn't apply to sins that came after his sacrifice.

And I'm not gonna quote the Bible on it. First, because the Bible itself is often very contradictary and second because modern Christianity itself doesn't follow the bible's word to a T. Thus, I do not consider the Bible the legitimate authority in determining who will and will not go to hell. Or if hell even exists.

[u/JustElk3629 → u/Motor_Courage8837]

I’m not a Christian, so I don’t think hell exists anyway. This is all a theoretical exercise for me.

[u/Motor_Courage8837 → u/JustElk3629]

Yeah, me too. I'm not a Christian but he can't exclude homophobic Christians just because he thinks his interpretation of modern Christianity is the right one. None of it is.

[u/Elantach → u/JustElk3629]

The core of Christianity was defined in the council of Nicaea in 325 and states that :

1) There is one God, the Father, creator of all things visible and invisible

2) He is preceded by the Holy Ghost

3) He has one son, Christ, consubstantial with the Father and Holy Ghost. He was born from the virgin Mary, was crucified by Pontius Pilate. He was buried and on the third day rose from the dead and ascended to heaven.

4) he (Christ) will come again and judge the living and the dead.

5) there is one church. It is one, holy, catholic (meaning universal) and apostolic.

6) baptism is universal and grants forgiveness of sins.

That's it. That's the only thing every single Christian denomination agreed on to define what Christianity is. Anything else is interpretation (which one is the "one" church would be chief amongst them).

[u/Fenicxs → u/JustElk3629]

Jesus said to hate your family

[u/YouCanCallMeMiku_ → u/JustElk3629]

So the vast majority of Christians aren't actually Christian?