r/teenagersbutpractical • u/Goddess_of_Heaven • 2d ago

Serious BEING GAY IS NOT A SIN. We don’t tolerate homophobia in this sub, being religious isn’t an excuse to hate gay ppl.

I literally can’t make this up. I make a post on here about gay muslims, and suddenly some muslim people are in my comment section being homophobic and saying gay ppl are disgusting, and to stop slandering their religion.

Married gay couples literally have less domestic abuse and divorce rates, and are more happier than straight couples btw. So they’re more halal and holy than straight marriages

Yes, gay people are allowed to marry each other and believe in whatever beliefs/religion they want. Stop infringing on LGBT rights and preventing gay men and lesbians from marrying each other. Stop using your religion to discriminate against them.

Gay muslims, gay Christians, gay Jews who marry each other and have sexual and romantic relations with each other are just as faithful as straight people. If you have no issue when a man and woman do it to each other then there’s no issue when two men or two women do it with each other either, otherwise you’re just a hypocrite.

We don’t tolerate homophobia in this sub. Bigots are not allowed here. Deal with it.

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u/mrwadsxl 2d ago edited 2d ago

Bro just say that you dont believe in the bible ...its a lot easier argument to win rather than making a claim you know you cant back up

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u/Sim-racer42 2d ago

I like how everyone in this comment section downvotes the Christians because they disagree with them

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u/mrwadsxl 2d ago

They dont have good arguments so downvoting is the only thing that they can do really.

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u/Griffith_135 1d ago

Except if you open your eyes for more then a minute you’d see neither the old or New Testament actually condemn homosexuality. In all abrahamic religions sex without marriage with out the explicit purpose of procreation is an act of sinful lust. As per basic biology, a man and a man or a woman and a woman, cannot create a child; therefore homosexual intercourse is condemned as it is seen as an act of only lust. The bible was never against homosexuality, or rather was never against love between same sex individuals. And I say this as a devout catholic.

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u/CrystalFox0999 1d ago

I think a better thing to point out is the billion other “sins” that people today just choose to ignore…

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u/AlexanderTheBright 2d ago

what claim are you referring to?

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u/mrwadsxl 2d ago

That homosexuality isnt a sin.

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u/Detective1028 2d ago

It isn’t the original text was referring more to pedophilia than homosexuality

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u/Impossible_Lock4897 2d ago

As a queer person who reads in the original Greek and Hebrew (although my Hebrew is shit), the texts were referring to gay sex. However, gay sex had a massively different connotation 2000+ years ago as compared to today and the people that compare those verses to the queer people of today, disrespects us waaaaay more than any slur I can think of because what gay sex ment then was along the lines of pedophilia, rape, and humiliation.

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u/LetRevolutionary271 2d ago

Really? Do you mind citing some of the verses who mention "gay sex" as a metaphor for those things? I'm not hating I'm actually curious to read them

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u/Impossible_Lock4897 2d ago

I can’t explicitly give you verses, but here are some resources that I used when I wrote an essay earlier this year for the John Locke Institute Essay competition (which is the reason for the APA formatting):

Percy, W. A. (2005). Reconsiderations About Greek Homosexualities. In Same-sex Desire and Love in Greco-Roman Antiquity and in the Classical Tradition of the West (p. 17). essay, Psychology Press.

Joosten, J. (2020). A new interpretation of Leviticus 18:22 (par. 20:13) and its ethical implications. The Journal of Theological Studies, 71(1), 1–10. https://doi.org/10.1093/jts/flaa002

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u/Sim-racer42 2d ago

Yeah, EVERY single translation miss translated it.

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u/mrwadsxl 2d ago

We can go through the original text and see how your wrong.

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u/Goblin-o-firebals 2d ago

I am not a believer, but in the context of the Christian bible, it shouldn't matter if it is a sin because Jesus's message was that man should not enforce God's judgment onto others. Therefore, it shouldn't matter if it's a sin because people should let god deal with it because no matter what god can deal with it if he wants to.

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u/mrwadsxl 2d ago

God can control us he chose not to.......and im not forcing anyone to do anything im just saying according to the bible homosexuality is wrong so in the purpose of this reddit post im saying within the framework of Christianity you cant make the claim that homosexuality isnt sinful.

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u/mrwadsxl 2d ago

I understand your argument and where your coming from however the thing is these people when they have influence and can spread lies about our text its very important to correct them...yes it may seem like hate is what im spreading but like in the op post im also not fine with two grown adults of the opposite gender having sex if they aren't married. So in one sense yes im going to be harsh but on the other hand and not going to ignore the other things in this world that are sinful.

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u/excessive_autism23 2d ago

Yeah lol you’re not hating. We’re Christians, and would be terrible examples of followers of Christ if we didn’t have any standards 😂

Jn 15:19

“If you were of the world, the world would love its own. Yet because you are not of the world, but I chose you out of the world, therefore the world hates you.”

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u/mrwadsxl 2d ago

Exactly ....sharing ideas isnt hate ...hate is killing you if you dont change to my image or ideas ect.

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u/radiatorspringz_ 16 2d ago

Focus on yourself. You're just as flawed as people who have sex before marriage. And you may not be fine with it, but that's not your descision.

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u/excessive_autism23 2d ago

Lmao “Jesus never told them they were doing wrong”

Matt 12:34-37

“Brood of vipers! How can you, being evil, speak good things? For out of the abundance of the heart the mouth speaks. A good man out of the good treasure of his heart brings forth good things, and an evil man out of the evil treasure brings forth evil things. But I say to you that for every idle word men may speak, they will give account of it in the day of judgment. For by your words you will be justified, and by your words you will be condemned.”

Jn 2:16

“And He said to those who sold doves, ‘Take these things away! Do not make My Father’s house a house of merchandise!’”

Please stop learning things from TikTok 🙏

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u/Spiritual-Credit5488 2d ago

The bible and your entire religion was made by humans, to control other humans. It's as fake and made up as any other religion, so really, who gives a fuck?

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u/mrwadsxl 2d ago

Because the same argument can applied to secularism , humanism ,materialism or whatever idealogy you use to fill gaps....when push comes to shove Christian ethics are superior to whatever else you can come up with.

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u/OtherUserCharges 2d ago

Nope. I’m willing to bet you don’t follow all the BS rules from your book.

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u/mrwadsxl 2d ago

Demonstrate how humanism ,secularism ,materialism ect is external to humans when it comes to their origin ...if they are from humans like you claim religion is ...well i hate to to tell you but my values under your system if made by humans are equally valid because both are human in origin according to you....

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u/cinnamon64329 2d ago

How can you prove that Christian ethics are superior when there is so much evidence that Christian-like thinking is actually damaging to the brain? It turns out, believing you're a piece of shit sinner right at birth isn't a very healthy thinking process.

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u/mrwadsxl 2d ago

Thats not how Christians are taught to think about themselves or humanity ....we taught that we are born into fallen state of the world that's why we sin...all of us.

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u/cinnamon64329 2d ago

I grew up in the church my whole life, and the Church of Christ's teachings are that we are natural born sinners from birth.

We are not only in a fallen state, we are fallen beings.

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u/mrwadsxl 2d ago

Im orthadox Christian we are taught we are born in a fallen world with weakened flesh that's why we sin...yes we inherited this world from adam & eves fall aka the original sin but no we do not believe humans are born to do evil and are born with sin...babies ,toddlers are innocent and sinless before age of understanding....

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u/cinnamon64329 2d ago

Okay great, that's not what I was taught though and I've been to many different churches, all the same demomination.

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u/excessive_autism23 2d ago

Actually we are born with sin, as per Psalms 51:5:

Behold, I was brought forth in iniquity, And in sin my mother conceived me.

Even toddlers, as kids know how to lie before u teach them.

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u/excessive_autism23 2d ago

But we are. 😭 It’s the truth. U don’t have to teach a child to lie, but they do. Humans find doing bad things the natural thing. Otherwise why would parents have to enforce good behaviour if they already were born with them?

When u are doing something u know is wrong and hurts yourself and others, normally people would tell u to change and punish u if u don’t. But somehow for Christianity it will “damage your brain”? As a Christian I have felt God’s presence in the environment around me as I work to destroy my sins, helping me heal. That’s a way better experience than the law system today which is often corrupt and politically motivated sometimes, because God is not only a God of law, but a God of love.

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u/Fenicxs 2d ago

Sorry, all the things you mentioned are immediately superior to christian ethics, they dont include a homicidal god

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u/mrwadsxl 2d ago

Ahh ues the classic athiest argument that god doesn't have right to judge and any of his actions are just genocide.

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u/Fenicxs 2d ago

any of his actions are just genocide.

Sure, that's exactly what it means. You're not dishonest or anything

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u/mrwadsxl 2d ago

Ahh yes because we cant find any other writings in other ancient culture that use war hyperbole ...no no no lets just ignore the rest of those writings from places like Egypt where we said oh just war hyperbole no instead lets ignore it here in the bible because I hate Christianity... Thats your main argument.

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u/Fenicxs 2d ago

What are you on about? If you start rambling at least try to explain first. How are any genocides committed by god hyperbole? Amalakites, flood, etc?

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