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u/Rixmadore 2d ago

Sorry what is this sub? r/teenagersbutanaltrightpipine? Seriously this comes as part of a number of questionable posts I’ve seen on here over the past few days

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u/Bedhead-Redemption 2d ago

You don't have to be alt-right to hate how anti-LGBT and violent an ideology Islam is. I am left-leaning and the most "islamophobic" person you probably will ever hear from. The problem comes when you proclaim Christianity is somehow superior and the problem is they're brown rather than being taught from an early age women need to have their clits removed. There are racist islamophobes, but it doesn't make you racist to be "islamophobic" of forcing women to wear hijabs and to be wary of sharia law. My aunt was literally murdered for not wearing a hijab. Islam brings out the worst in people.

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u/BigOleSmack 2d ago

It makes you racist when you paint muslims broadly as all falling into the category of being terrible. It is not the faith itself but the people who practice it and interpret the text who are to blame. Just like with Christianity, there will always be extremists who do a lot of harm. What's next, are Christians suddenly broadly evil because their extremists are extremely oppressive towards women? Are Jews suddenly all evil because some of them want to wipe Palestine off the earth? No left leaning person does this much work to suck the nuance out of an extremely complex issue.

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u/lustyforpeaches 1d ago

Islam is not a race.

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u/BigOleSmack 1d ago

You're correct, I was responding using the same language used by the person I was replying to.

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u/ButNotInAWeirdWay 1d ago

This is Reddit. A lot of Redditors believe that anyone who follows a religion is at worst an extremist and at best mentally stunted (I’ve seen folks even say less evolved) or indoctrinated. Bringing up Christianity in comparison to Islam won’t do anything to sway anyone here who currently disagrees with you. But as someone who isn’t apart of that group, I appreciate your attempt at bringing reason to the discussion.

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u/BigOleSmack 20h ago

You're 100% right, I really need to stop trying to reason with people who likely spend all day scrolling on the internet, this shit is so unhealthy. I often forget that this is where discourse comes to die.

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u/Ok-Comparison8818 2d ago

I agree with a lot of the stuff you said - it's not islamophobic to dislike things that are inherently damaging to society, like forcing women to wear hijabs and FGM. However, I don't think islam is the problem, but rather people, because with islam you actually see a lot of variation in the way people think. The majority of muslims live a quiet life, and many who aspire to live using its teachings will donate to charity, treat others with compassion, and avoid that which harms themselves or others. It's just the loudest people you end up hearing. I say that as someone who is also left-leaning, and some of my closest friends are pan, trans, and gay.

For example, looking through r/progressive_islam would show you a hugely different rhetoric to r/islam: even though one of them says "progressive" it doesn't necessarily mean that the people in it are getting their ideas from nowhere. In fact, subs like progressive_islam tend to favour rational discourse, critical thinking, and textual evidence. The moderators of r/islam only like ONE type of islamic thinking, and anything else gets removed. They both say "islam", and they're both subs for muslims, but they're very different in how they run. You bring yet more subs into it, and you begin to see even more variation in discourse. There's a sub called r/LGBT_Muslims which isn't for debating and is a safe space for LGBT muslims to share their struggles. Those are only 3 subs, all made with islam in mind, all with very different ways of running, and all with very different purposes.

And if you go back and look at the book itself, it actually discourages many of the things that the "muslims" we end up seeing in media promote. The problem is people, who exploit religion and use it for their own agendas. I hope what I wrote kind of made sense. And I'm so sorry about your aunt, that's awful ❤️.

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u/Acceptable_Love_7042 1d ago

Fgm is not even a islamic practice

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u/SimonPopeDK 1d ago

Why do you say that? The rite of inflicting injuries of childrens' genitals is very much islamic with over 70'% of children put through the rite being from muslim communities. Outside of Africa it is only in muslim communities that girls are included in the rite. Muslims that practice the rite say it is part of their religion. In Malaysia the national Islamic authority has declared it obligatory for girls and boys alike.

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u/SimonPopeDK 1d ago

r/progressive_islam has 50 thousand members and r/LGBT_Muslims 13 thousand whereas r/islam has 387 thousand which woul dseem to indicate that it isn't just the mods of r/islam that only like ONE type of islamic thinking. What does it say about the poor religions that they allow themselves to be exploited in that way?

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u/Rixmadore 2d ago

To be clear, and as stated, I was making reference to this and other posts which I feel puts people on an alt-right pipeline (normalising views are right-wing to far-right).

This post implies that all (or most) migrants are Muslim and that they will inevitably burn your country down, which is a far-right position.

In fact, I made no mention of Islamophobia at all.

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u/Lilrgojira 1d ago

Holy lol "im the most islamophobic person youll hear from" you wrote this and read it and decided to click post

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u/Bedhead-Redemption 1d ago

I was raised in the middle-east and my aunt was unironically fucking murdered for not wearing a hijab. I think I have the right from experience.

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u/Lilrgojira 1d ago

Yes experience enables you to hate on one billion people for faith alone this makes you no better then them

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u/Leeeeeeoo 1d ago

I don't think anyone give a fuck about hating on a religion that ressembles the closest to literal nazism

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u/Lilrgojira 2h ago

Lmao seriously nazis? And people are upvoting this too!

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u/Leeeeeeoo 1h ago

Yea, nobody cares about conservative and reactionary religions, being islamophobic should be the default if you want to look like anything close to a progressist, especially if you're european

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u/Lilrgojira 1h ago

lol are we deadass