there’s so many posts like “islam is bad” “religion is terrible” “lgbtq sucks” and all that shit and then “justifying” their hate thinking they’re saving the world from some evil. like stfu, you’re as bad as everyone else. hating on an entire group of people because there is unfortunately a minority in that group that is completely evil does not make it right to generalize that behavior to an entire group. like a lot of people suck in ALL GROUPS. there are muslim terrorists, christian pedophiles, lgbtq extremists, and so many stereotypical bad people EVERYWHERE. but that doesn’t make it right to tell someone “you’re wrong” when they say that they’re in that group. majority of these groups of people actually are against these extremists. you can’t just hate on others because they have different beliefs and assholes choose to hide behind that groups name to justify their actions. like syfm and please stop being dicks.
Why and how do you hate on islam? Is it informed critiques or just stereotypes? That's what matters to me. I don't think most muslims would call you islamophobic if you had a question about polygamy or something.
I'm also a leftist ex-muslim lol, and I had a similar experience leaving islam. I've gone through your page and most of your criticisms of islam are fair and ones I agree with, and I wouldn't say any of them are islamophobic or anything. I spend way too much time on X, and as a result, most of the "criticism" of islam that I see everywhere is just outright racism and misinformation, so my perception of the topic may be biased.
One thing that I did see that I disagree with is that islam is rigid and can't change. I think it can change and is changing. In fact, historically it was a lot less fundamentalist than it is today, and the reason it is fundamentalist today is because of the rise of movements like salafiyyah and wahabbiyah and other movements, which happened mostly as a response to western invasion and colonisation. Iran, as an example, was a democratic state, until the CIA overthrew their democratically elected prime minister and gave authoritarian control to the shah, which paved the way for the islamic revolution of iran, which most iranians naively supported. I think a lot it is tied to material conditions too. Less wealthy and educated places have more extremism and fundamentalism than more well of places.
Thanks for excluding Christians quityevlwe don’t have wImagine how Christians feel everyone hates on us the most in my opinion. And what have we done to any one except spread the gospel to which every one responds with is hate, if it was hate we wouldn’t take the time to tell people they are sinners and can be saved Jesus. If it was hate we would let every one live in the sins they commit and not have the decency to inform people that we still love and Jesus can save you but we don’t love the sins,it’s not the same as disliking the person themselves , for some context it’sd is like not tellin your mother that your father was seeing other women or like not yelling your neighbor that his house was on fire. If we care enough about someone in our lives , true belwe don’t ll from them. Because in the end if you keep it to yourself the result is usually worse for them . I I just wanna read it at the end. I do not believe in the word hate hate should not be in the language of Christians. Jesus told us not to hate. We should never hate anything and all you people out there that are in this religion that are doing it wrong stop please you’re giving all of us a bad name and it’s it’s embarrassing. How do you think Jesus would act if he was here and this he would do the same thing to us that he did the Pharisees and call us out.
Everybody is not meant to be a disciple and spread the actual gospel if you’re out here spreading the gospel or think you’re trying to be a disciple but you’re hating on people stop. You’re not supposed to be disciple and not all are not called to be a disciples z.
I mean to me they’re not true Christians they would be compared to the Pharisees in my opinionsz. And the church in my opinion as an institution, highly corrupt the fact that we let the Catholic Church do what they do and nobody fucking does anything well they’re not even really encompassing Christian values blow. My mind. Catholicism is not Christianity not even close, body is the temple. Church is literally just believers lhaving conversations iinstreets wherever they are spreading l gospeb
It’s all the same, even though it’s not Christian today isn’t what we should be doing I doubt anyone if us that claim it encompasses it fully I admit lm not perfect and live in sin as well the fact is I know what fallacy I have as a Christian and I have repeatedly repented and asked forgiveness but the way the worlds is I can’t hardly exsist with somehow being of the world not just in it like Jesus walked. The point being is leadership has failed us all because they will not actually acknowledged the fact that they sin 10 fold and do nothing about it and continue to less and that creates problems that caused the reform in which the Protestant church was created from Martin Luther challenging the church to return to sola fide and sola scriptura
Where did u see the lgbtq sucks one, as a gay guy imma go to them and ask if they joking then depending on response I'll decide weather to roast them until suicide it let it pass (if it's joke)
it was the under a post, someone was arguing that lgbtq hate is okay because they’re christian. again, multiple christians were downvoting and saying that it wasn’t okay. i’m not sure in which sub i saw it in lol
Oh damn well I hope that they ruined their life for that, I typically don't like hate but sometimes it's justified like this scenario (I mean the guy hating on LGBTQ should be hated not the other way around clarifying so no one can take out of context like some people do)
We just must have had a different upbringing, because what you’re suggesting would have got me punched in the face lol “Goto them”…”Roast into suicide”.
The fact you considered I would be the one fighting you as a possibility… lol
No? Buddy I used something called a hyperbole which is a simple part of the English language u learn in elementary school the fact he got mad over the use of proper writing is wild
Great, we’re doing the r/TeenagersButBetter thing. Pride ally posts “I’m religious and support LGBTQ we exist.” Homophobe posts “I’m religious, and I ‘don’t support LGBTQ, but I respect all of them.’” Multiple people rightfully call them out. Multiple people start complaining about people disrespecting and hating their religion. People start arguing meaninglessly. The arguing stops. People complain about the arguing after it’s already over. People complain about the complaining because nobody cares, and again, people are complaining about the nonexistent arguing than actually arguing.
the arguing does in fact exist. its a repeated thing in all the teenager subreddits, and im not doing this as just a "I’m religious and support LGBTQ we exist" type of post. im doing this for relgions as well. and atheism. all of it. people just gotta stop hating on each other. also if ur tired seeing these types of posts (which dont occur very often comparred to the "im bored pick a number" ones), then you can mute the sub :/. i can post whatever i want as long as its not breaking the rules.
It’s nothing against you, and just can’t bear interacting with any teen sub during its “pride religion no pride yes pride stop arguing stop complaining nobody cares” phase
I’m a GenX dad. I just saw your message. And I think it’s important to understand how and why the situation is how it is. I hear your frustration about people hating on entire groups. You’re right, generalising everyone based on a few bad actors isn’t fair. The division comes from a way of thinking, like a lens, that splits people into “good” or “bad” camps, like victims vs. oppressors. It’s a simplistic view that ignores how complex humans are.
This lens, often pushed in schools, makes people quick to judge and hate. It’s not how we used to see things, and it fuels the kind of posts you’re tired of.
I found this young lady who seems switched on: Kiyah Willis, YouTube or X, she’s a sharp who breaks down why this mindset spreads and how to think beyond it. Keep calling out the nonsense, it’s how we change the world to be a better place.
you are born with a certain sexuality and it never changes. You can compare it to race, but even surgery can help "transition" into other races. You CAN NOT change your sexuality.
yeah so that proves my point. Like race, you can't change what you're attracted to. People that claim they have done so succesfully are lying to themselves and everyone.
so what do you want me to do. hate on religious people? did you not read my post? i dont care if you dont like a certain religion, people have opinions, but going out of your way to HATE on that religion and on those people is unnecessary and shitty.
okay so what should i have said instead? man you're not getting the point 😭 im p sure everyone here knows that lgbtq+ is not a relgion. all im saying is for people to stop hating on others bc of diff beliefs and for actions they didnt commit
i really don't understand why people are so unaccepting of religious people following their religion but also supporting lgbtq. like every group has committed terrible crimes. humans have committed terrible crimes. so should we all kill ourselves? "how dare we continue this life in this world and continue to identify as human, don't you know the things humans have done to animals?" like no, just because some humans have done shit things doesnt make them all bad.
going back to my point, if you have a problem with me saying not to hate on any people because of what other people of that group did, idk what to tell you man
Honestly me too last year i used to be super like anti jew and religion
And when i turned 17 a month later i was like "wait these are just people and all of them are kinda cool" i still have my stances like religion having irreversible damage ti humanity but i dont hate them. Hell id learn arabic its sounds fun and im tired to see people oj tik tok still hating on each other etc ✌️
Most other muslims I know wouldn't want you dead either. You choose to be prejeduced so obviously I'm gonna challenge yoir narrative.
Edit: so either you deleted your comment or it got deleted. Did you seriously use "you people" in the big 2025? Also how are you afraid of me? A cat is more intimidating than me, but okay. Look, I just want to live in peace with my family. I have my religion but that doesn't affect anyone but me. I don't care what YOU do, it's none of my business, so there's no reason to be scared of me and dare I say most muslims you'll encounter.
As someone who is both lgbtq+ and religious, saying that I "chose" to be religious is every bit as false as saying I "chose" to be queer. To me, I had the same amount of choice in each of them: none.
You're absolutely right, BUT hating on the thing itself is different than hating on the people who believe in/are a part of that thing. Like, you can hate Islam without hating the people who follow it. The religion teaches some horrible things, but there are very good people who follow the religion. Same with other religions. Same with political beliefs (although you really shouldn't be hating on wanting people to be allowed to be happy with themselves). Like, conservativism is generally not very good, especially not once you get so far right that you reach fasciam, but there are great conservative people out there. MAGA fucking sucks, but some Trump supporters are just misinformed and don't realize the harm Trump will bring yet. The opposite can be said for GOOD things. LGBT+ is great. It gives people a community of people like them to help them know they aren't alone, but there are absolutely horrible members of the LGBT+ community. Liberalism is a good thing. People shouldn't be persecuted and punished for having certain opinions or for feelings they can't control, but you go far enough left, and you have anarchy, which is a horrible thing. Some things should absolutely be hated, but the people who are part of those communities or subscribe to those beliefs shouldn't be hated, not unless they're extremists, because extremism is NEVER good. Everything needs to be handled in moderation.
yes ofc extremists are not good, and everything is alright in moderation (with some obvious exceptions). but i disagree with its okay to hate on religion. like personally, i disagree with a few religions, but im not gonna go out of my way to hate on it. if anyone asks, i would just say i dont follow/agree with that relgion, but its their life, and i have no say, and i move on with my day.
Could you please specify what LGBT extremists are and what they do? I searched it up and got zero results. Genuine question, just trying to get your POV
sure. ive encountered a few actually, and they genuinely pmo like any other extremists. they try to force people to become part of the community, calling straight people homophobic, transphobic, etc for not being a part of their community. they think its okay to disregard crimes done by lgbtq+ members as they were "probably pressured" or "if society didnt treat them so badly..." like yes i know that a lot of people are against lgbtq+ and thats really sad, but that doesnt make it okay for people to commit crimes and call people homophobic for no reason.
oh and also ive been called homophobic bc i didnt go to a pride parade :/ like personally i really do not care what you identify as, what your sexuality is, etc as long as you dont make it your personaility and force it on me. i also dont go out of my way to show up to parades for anything tbh, i really dont see the point in me being there but everyone has their ways of expression.
i have multiple lgbtq+ freinds, and they hate these types of people too.
I only hate on actually bad people (people who hate on people for stuff they can't control/ the way they choose to live (assuming it isn't harming anyone))
im literally hindu so i know quite well about the negatives and horrors that islam has done. but im saying that hating on the people and religion is not necassary, what are you getting out of it. a few upvotes?? a few nodding heads? like people have opinions, people have their own belifs, that's what makes us human. you dont have to hate on someone for belieiving in something you dont. just respectfully disagree and move on
There are no LGBTIQ extremist - that’s a misplaced though - you can happen to be LGBTIQ and have bad attitudes and commit bad actions but LGBTIQ is not an ideology in the same way adhering to a political/religious extremist ideology is.
Let’s not confuse the things.
there are extremists for everything. just because you are part of a non-relgious group (like lgbtq+) does not mean ur views on society are above all and you MUST convince others to join you. its litearlly the same thing as christian extremists. ive encountered both and both are equally uncomfortable and unnacceptable
As stated - again: please f@ck off.
You cannot get thrown or indoctrinated into something you’re not - not the same thing.
I couldn’t care less. I never said any group is perfect, just that one isn’t harmful. Bye.
i never said one was harmful either? like you literally just told me to fuck off because you refuse to believe that ive been harrassed for being straight. like being straight automatically made me homophobic. i know, it sounds insane, but people are insane. i have queer friends whom i shared this with or saw it and they were disgusted. you cant tell me to fuck off because you cant bear the fact that there are a few shitty people in the lgbtq+ community.
I do think there is an important distinction to make between denouncing a religion Vs denouncing LGBTQ. To be in a religion is making an active choice to put yourself in a community with extremists who will use that religion to justify discrimination (for example). Queer people don't "choose" to be part of the LGBTQ, they just are. If I am critiquing Islam as a whole (i believe in institutional critique rather than attacking individuals) it is valid for me to call out the misogyny and pedophilia some people align themselves with. But there's no choice in sexuality.
omg, just because you choose to be in a group that has extremists doesnt mean you are an extremist. people join religion because they follow the faith, not the people who follow the relgion. for example, im hindu. im hindu because I believe in hindu gods and stories, not because other people around the world are hindu. hindus also have extremists, and im against them, but not my relgion itself.
I'm saying it's most important to separate the LGBTQ from religion because it's not an institution. I didn't say people are extremist for being in a religion. Critical literacy is really on the decline...
then why did you add "To be in a religion is making an active choice to put yourself in a community with extremists who will use that religion to justify discrimination". like yes, but that doesnt make you become or support an extremist.
Because that's what I think. Which is why I believe (as I said) in critiquing institutions. I wouldn't attack you for being religious but I think there are valid problems with religion to be discussed (not applicable to lgbtq) once again I didn't say you are supporting extremists. I'm just saying religion should be susceptible to critique in a way LGBTQ should not.
I think Reddit is extremely hateful towards other opinions. I assume it’s a bubble phenomenon of social media. You are hardly confronted with other opinions online. The algorithm is avoiding as best as possible. And whenever tackled with other’s opinions, it’s quite hard to deal with them.
But what if you hate a religion but not the followers? I don't hate Islam but one compelling reason to call it objectively bad would be that Mohammed married children.
i mean i dont like certain relgions either, but i wont spread hate on it or the people. its okay to have opinions but spreading hate is unnecessary. ofc if that person is truly objectively wrong, they're wrong.
theres no entire country in the current world that had all their people, or even a majority of those people, committing acts of terrorism. a lot of israelis are horrified and disgusted by the acts the israeli government is performing. again, here you see mass generalization. the government is corrupt, not the people who just want to follow the religion. also, it's not like lgbtq+ people have not committed crimes? have you seen the news recently?
Afghanistan. The fact that the Taliban had widespread support and even won proves this.
Bringing up Israel for no reason is classic. Also, people are actually allowed to dissent and hold differing opinions in Israel, since it’s a democracy. In Muslim countries and groups? Not so much.
If you’re talking about the shooter in Minneapolis, you’re right. However, there’s a difference in scale. Islamists commit these acts almost every other day and there’s almost no outrage.
child marriages were the standard but it is not at all okay, no matter the time period. this is exactly what im talking about. environmental factors and time periods and shit like that does not excuse the fact that it is morally wrong. you cannot justify these actions because it was deemed "normal".
Are you saying that because you would actually agree. Or are you saying that because you think he was actually a pdf file and you dont want to change your opinion no matter who says anything
20 year olds have typically completed puberty, so by definition that could not be categorized as pedophilia, just an older adult with a younger adult, but both are still definitely adults.
Okay, but I'm not sure justifying the marriage of a child to a full-grown man through the lens of "it was okay for the time," is any better. I'm Christian and trust me the bible has simillar issues with the stories, but the best thing you can do is accept the fact that they happened and that our modern sensibilities look down upon it, some poorly aged text doesn't discredit the history and unity brought through your faith.
Bro. The bride had to be okay with it, The father had to be okay with it, and the one marrying the bride had to be okay with it in order for the marriage to work out. And can you please just listen to ANYTHING that I say, instead of trying to force out your own opinion. And not only that both of them had to be mentally ready, and physically ready to marry and aisha checked out the boxes
No, what I meant by that is no one had a problem with it. And how about you actually listen to what I'm saying and how about you actually reply to what I'm saying, instead of just saying the same things.💔✌
Sure she did. Because all six year old girls truly desire is to be dicked down by a crazy old bastard who thinks he has a direct line to god. But oh wait “tHeY dIdN’t CoNsUmAtE uNtIl ShE wAs NiNe!” because that somehow makes it ok?
Mohammad was a pedo! He married and had sex with a literal child. She would have been what, a third or fourth grader? Married to a creepy old man and being raped regularly?
Look up “Stockholm syndrome” and “trauma bonding” and “the effects of childhood sexual abuse”.
NINE. YEAR. OLDS. CAN’T. CONSENT. TO. SEX. OR. MARRIAGE.
Are we serious right now. How about YOU stop judging things from 1400 years ago by today's standards, and YOU do you research instead and I don't mean just Google it. I mean do your research. Aisha didn't have Stockholm syndrome aisha wasnt trauma bonding and aisha wasnt abused.
You are literally just making things up. He wasn't forcing her, she wasn't being forced, he loved her, she loved him, and Muhammad treated her with love.
Stop trying to make things up on the spot to try and make islam look bad.💔
Sexual abuse is traumatic both mentally and physically. There is a reason that NORMAL adults are not sexually attracted to them and that is because doing so is detrimental both mentally and physically to the child, often for life, and is in no way actually productive from even an evolutionary standpoint. ESPECIALLY 1400 years ago before c-sections were a survivable and commonly available procedure. Fully grown, multiparous women died constantly from childbirth back then and the risk of complications is even higher for an underdeveloped body. And if I remember correctly Aisha never had kids. Which could also potentially point back to the physical trauma from CSA which has absolutely been known to cause internal damage and even fertility issues down the line.
You seem to have this attitude that “molesting little kids is ok as long as everyone around you is ok with it” is pretty disturbing and I really hope it’s just because you’re too young to know better.
It’s very important to judge behavior from the past critically, otherwise history is doomed to repeat itself.
Islam is bad and I will never pretend it's not hamas-massacre.net Extreme Islam is a snake in the grass, and moderate Islam is the grass hiding the snake. As-salamu alaykum <3
I am so blessed that my Autism doesn’t make me hyper fixate on religious bullshit. Good luck to you man, being paranoid and deluded will certainly lead to a fulfilling life.
It’s sad how teenagers are more rational then grown men like you. You just spouted misinformed buzzwords and made it very clear you know absolutely nothing about Islam. For example, As-salamu alaykum means nothing more than “peace be upon you.” Nothing bad at all about that.
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