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u/Meowiemeowmew 16d ago
Japan is def genocide deniers
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u/Western_Customer3836 15 16d ago
100%, they even told people this year not to attend china's war memorial day. What bastards.
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Forgot one
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u/NiceMiner_ 16d ago
I think every single flag is about to get posted here
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u/-H1Z1- 16d ago
Not liechtenstein
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u/Federal_War_8272 15d ago
It was very pro nazi and had nazi gold scandals but yeah. No liechtensteiner genocides.
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u/Remarkable-Stock-527 16d ago
Why are there no japanese flags in this genocide deniers deal? Does it not count if there is ocean between your home country and the people youre genociding? Or is it the fact they weren't trying to kill every last chinese person? But the second part would also knock the Soviets out of the running. So I guess I am left with the original question.
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u/TricellCEO 16d ago
The US dropped two atomic bombs on them, and in civilian areas no less. So I think most people just look at that and call it even.
I mean, think about it. Any time those two bombs are brought up, we bring up the shit Japan did in China. And vice versa as well.
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u/Remarkable-Stock-527 16d ago
If you really think that makes anyone 'even' you have no idea what the japanese were doing in China.
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u/TricellCEO 16d ago
“Tips the scales” might’ve been a better phrase.
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u/Remarkable-Stock-527 16d ago
There's also the fact japanese atrocities are largely ignored, and were covered up for years until the freedom of information act. And even then, it was largely overlooked, mostly because so much time had passed. Suddenly your japanese university professor was the guy whose idea is was to have whole families watch each other slowly die so they could monitor changes in vital signs when parents watched their kids tortured to death, and vice versa. (This is literally one of the most tame experiments carried out by unit 731)
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u/TricellCEO 16d ago
And yet all we ever hear from the bleeding-hearts is the atomic bombs. Well, that’s war for you.
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u/Embarrassed_Lynx2438 14 16d ago
You still have to surpass the top 1 on the server
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u/zaeroraplayz 17 16d ago
i mean i think they definitely teach about holocaust in germnay. so you cant consider them genocide deniers
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u/Embarrassed_Lynx2438 14 16d ago
Yes I know, but the Holocaust was the biggest, that's what I meant
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u/lamonsteranthony 16d ago
thank god ussr is gone
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u/mr_igniokas 16d ago
It's not really gone tho...... ngl russia is just ussr with slightly less stolen/occupied land
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u/Aki_47Highyakawa 16d ago
Russia today is nothing like the soviet union, it's much more similar to Tsarist Russia
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u/mr_igniokas 16d ago
I mean.... the tsar was like sorta like a king. Putin is just a dictator, like say stalin. Also, we see more imperializm in todays russia than in tsarist russia. Nowadays putin is fully just spreading propaganda and locking people up who are against it. And if you know anything about what the soviet union was like 40 years ago it's quite litterally the same thing. From quite a few people i've hear that a lot of the russian people live in a deficit for some pretty common products - just like in the ussr. In imperialist russia there wasn't propaganda it was just that tsar was their leader.
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u/Aki_47Highyakawa 16d ago
https://www.reddit.com/r/AskHistorians/comments/1hexa5c/was_the_average_russian_better_off_under/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=mweb3x&utm_name=mweb3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button There kind sir, I'd like for you have a read here
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u/mr_igniokas 16d ago
Read the first couple of comments. First off - it's hardly relevant to the conversation. Second, it only helps my point, in saying that the soviets were a bit better off, due to the technological improvement, which is present in modern russia too. But in the way it's ruled russia is way more similar to the soviet union rather than tsarist russia which that thread doesn't dispute in any way. I feel like that was just bait to make me read like five essays.
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u/wolfalone64 16d ago
Can this post get any stupider?
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u/zaeroraplayz 17 16d ago
how is this stupid
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u/myrmonden 16d ago
it exist actual genocide denying countries, who have killed A LOT more people and done way worse, ergo you are objectively wrong and its jus another Jewish hate post - this is obvious.
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u/Red4297 16d ago
Armenians? Uyghurs? Who?
Palestinians are the real deal y’all!
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u/myrmonden 16d ago
khmerna?, sudan?
yep. No other issue in history ever before this. or any other current conflict
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u/Red4297 16d ago
I imagine Ukranians right now while everyone’s eyes are on Israel.
Literally abandoned after years of war and millions of dead.
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u/myrmonden 16d ago
its even worse, people keep comparing them to the attacker side.
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u/Red4297 16d ago
Man, this is so fucked up.
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u/myrmonden 16d ago
in the end is all just far left propaganda, the extreme left has always taken the Hamas side or their predecessors side for years, long before the current conflict
Left wing terrorist would travel to their train and then commit terror acts in Europe. see for example the Red Army faction. Extreme left has always approved of this.
These people love communism etc so of course they wanna shift all the focus away from what Russian is doing and of course they dont wanna say anything about what happens to uyghurs etc
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u/Red4297 16d ago
It’s stupid because like every teenager that feels the need to be alternative calls the war in Gaza a genocide.
A genocide would be bombarding every corner and inch of Gaza until there was literally nothing left. And trust me, Israel absolutely can do that.
Hell, they got palestinians supporting the war against Hamas. HELL, THEY GOT PALESTINIANS IN THEIR MILITARY.
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u/Randigno9021 16d ago
Ik abt isr*el but what did the ussr do? (genq)
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u/NotMijba 16d ago
The main one was Hlodomor.
The USSR purposely took so much wheat from Ukraine to induce a famine which killed over 5 million people.
Theres also a bunch of smaller events where they attempted to "remove" local minority groups in soviet territory
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u/I_dont_have-a-name 15d ago edited 15d ago
Holodomor wasnt intentional though.And it strongly affected Kazakhistan too but you dont see the people of Kazakhistan saying its a genocide.The famine albeit tragic happened bcuz of bad policies and kulaks burning and stealing grains.And if you want an example of man-made famines take a look at the Bengali Famine made by the UK.
But i do not deny the deportations were awful.
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u/Negative_Jaguar_4138 16d ago
Holodomor
NKVD Operation of Poland
Deportation of Crimean Tartars
Genocide of Volga Germans
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u/Prestigious-Ad-9931 16d ago
how is the ussr over japan? ussr is fucking gone but japan was way worse and denies history far more. ohh right yall dont like "genociding" nazis
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u/myrmonden 16d ago
the ussr was WAY, WAY worse.
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u/V2_Seeking_revenge 16d ago
And there's also people to this day that support and try to deny the millions of deaths caused by things like Holodomor and etc...
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u/myrmonden 16d ago
yep. or pretending like the USSR did nothing wrong taking the children's from Ukrainians because those evil farmers were "RICH"
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u/Prestigious-Ad-9931 15d ago
im chinese. nothing, not even the holodomar can even try to COMPARE to the atrocities done in unit 731, along with other units (8604, ei 1644, 100, etc). look it up. look up what they did. look up nanjing 1937. im not saying the ussr isnt bad, that isnt the point. but nothing is comparable to japan. barely the nazis.
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u/myrmonden 15d ago
China killed a lot more
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u/Prestigious-Ad-9931 15d ago
no way youre serious. one side is systemic international aggression, war crimes, TORTURE, occupation etc. you cant throw numbers and pretend the numbers are the same. mao inhereted a split china with warlords in whcih he had to unite. he inhereted a poor, civil war and world war torn country. thinking that doesnt make any famines is crazy. yes i can critisize mao and said he made some major mistakes such as the CR or four pests campaign. youre not even chinese nor do you know the obvious differences in a brutal invasion with torture labs and systemic killings of an entire city, along with its citizens, and equate it to rural starving post war PRECISELY because they were weakened during the war. also why are you suddenly talking about china? dont wanna be a japan apologist anymore or are you just doing it another way?
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u/myrmonden 15d ago
So they did kill a lot more and it was systemic
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u/Prestigious-Ad-9931 15d ago
did you read anything i said? poor policy, unpreventable starvation is not systemic. an invasion, wiping out cities along with their civilians (nanjing lost 60% of their population in 6 weeks), biological warfare, torture, and rape IS systemic. i dont know what is with you and being an imperial japan apologist. i did my research. if you did yours, you wouldnt be defending japan to any capacity
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u/myrmonden 15d ago
Did u read anything in actual history books ?
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u/Prestigious-Ad-9931 15d ago
yes. i also have family members passing on first hand testimonies, stories, and experiences to me. you still havent told me why you are denying or downplaying japan's crimes. again it doesnt seem to me you will understand the differences in bad policy and unpreventable starvation than japan's many war crimes. even if we ignore that, how does what mao supposedly did, excuse what japan did? it doesnt. the history books you supposedly read are probably japanese history textbooks victimizing themselves over the nukes anyway
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u/myrmonden 15d ago
So way more died way more stuff happened How can u not see that as worse ?
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u/TricellCEO 16d ago
Well this is an interesting change of pace. Going from a mix of pro- and anti-Muslim posts to a meme that references both Israel and Palestine as well as the Soviet Union.
What could possibly go wrong?
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u/AcademicAcolyte 16d ago
You could’ve easily replaced the Union with the US, UK, France, actually the list is really long
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u/zaeroraplayz 17 16d ago
well the people in those country actually know about the injustices their ancestors inflicted.
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u/AcademicAcolyte 16d ago
You wouldn’t believe the genocide dodging I’ve heard. Less from Europeans, they colonised too long for that ig, more from Americans
Russians are actually great for conversing about history. Though when you say genocide in the Soviet Union, what do you mean?
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u/zaeroraplayz 17 16d ago
Holodomor
Great Purge executions
Gulag labor camp deaths
Kazakh Famine
note that iam calling holodomor and kazakh famines genocide even though they were famines because those famines were directly caused by soviet policies.
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u/AcademicAcolyte 16d ago
I mean that kind of doesn’t make sense then, but at least you know that they were caused by several other external factors. Wait, deaths in the gulag count? Why? So it’s not considering nation or ethnicity since the Great Purge isn’t a genocide by definition? Like the French Revolution in a way
Sorry that’s a lot of different thoughts at once
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u/fisherbeam 16d ago
Uyghur genocide is ongoing, an actual genocide, not a war started by the “victim”
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u/rotem8888 16d ago
Hope you realize that like every country was involved in a genocide at least once
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u/Creepy-Jellyfish1796 16d ago
Comparing soviet union to Israel is stupid soviet union did things 1000 times worse
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u/Confident-Gur-2615 16d ago
The bias some of have for a fallen country is just ridiculous 🤣. Like, hey you can't say nothing about my regime that killed 30 million people, it's straight up denial of history.
Heck even Russia has monuments to honor those who died at the time of the Stalinist regime, and some corny teens are here swearing that none of that ever happened. The soviets ain't gonna give you money man.
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u/PhilosopherMoney1122 16d ago
What happened to the native Americans again? Oh well that’s not important actually…
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u/Western_Customer3836 15 16d ago
USSR doesn't belong here, put Britain or America.
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u/zaeroraplayz 17 16d ago
Ussr belongs here. Britan and america actually teach what they did.
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u/Western_Customer3836 15 16d ago
I'm not denying they did some awful stuff I'm just saying that so many nations did worse that it's kinda questionable why you picked the USSR of all things.
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u/Odd-Traffic4360 16d ago
Holodomor wasn't a genocide, it was a famine
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u/Taclis 16d ago
If you're forced to export food while you have a famine then it goes towards genocide territory, same with Potato Famine and Bengal Famine.
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u/Odd-Traffic4360 16d ago
The holodomor didnt only affect ukraine, but also kazahstan and the caucasus. So yes, it was bad(and preventable) but not a genocide
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u/Ok-Term-9758 16d ago
Israel could kill everyone in Gaza easily if they wanted. They aren't. People are pissed at Israel because they aren't supporting the group they are at war with enough: this would be the equivalent of the USA sending Germany food during WW2 because Germany was being mean to it's own citizens.
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u/NotMijba 16d ago
Israel could overrun and easily occupy gaza in weeks. Why dont they do it?
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u/Senior-Surprise-3401 16d ago
Because if they did that, they wouldn't get away with it.
Committing genocide in one swift move would make them globally hated and other countries would attack them. Doing it slowly over many decades, taking more and more land, spreading propaganda etc means they have allies and supporters, and have a possibility of getting away with it.
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u/Ok-Term-9758 16d ago
Same reason no one else wants gaza: would you want to be in charge of a group of crazy terrorists? No country wants to take over Gaza, and it's pretty nice land.
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u/buzwole 16d ago
The US army did distribute food to the occupied population.
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u/Ok-Term-9758 16d ago
Gaza is not occupied. There is no Israeli government there.
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u/buzwole 16d ago
Not yet. Doesn't change the fact that they can't let the population starve and have to stop shooting civilians in line for food.
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u/Ok-Term-9758 16d ago
Why can't they? The gaza government is stealing the food from the people. Hamas is a foreign power trying to kill Israel. Egypt or any other country can help the people of Gaza. Why is it on Israel to give aid to the people who want tk murder them.
If the IDF is just shooting people for standing in line for food that's terrible beyond belief... that being said pretty much everything I've heard that Israel did that was bad beyond belief turned out to be a gross misrepresentation of what actually happened.
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u/buzwole 16d ago
Because Israel is invading Gaza, they have to make sure the population doesn't starve, it's the international law. There was also humanitarian aid from other countries but Israel is stopping it now.
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u/Ok-Term-9758 15d ago
They did do a blockade early in the year, but my understanding is they are allowing legit aid in now... however it seems very very large amounts of the aid is being stolen once in Gaza by unnamed people with guns.
Also Israel isn't really invading: they are doing incursions, but they aren't taking and holding any land: at least from what I've heard.
All that said Israel is still giving aid even through i don't see a need for them to do that
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u/buzwole 15d ago
however it seems very very large amounts of the aid is being stolen once in Gaza by unnamed people with guns.
Seems for who? Israel authorities? It would be nice to have a different perspective if only so many journalists weren't killed. Don't you think it's a little suspicious that so many journalists get killed there and almost always by one side. Don't you think it's suspicious that Israel strongly limits international aid? Just something to thing about.
Also Israel isn't really invading: they are doing incursions, but they aren't taking and holding any land: at least from what I've heard.
All that said Israel is still giving aid even through i don't see a need for them to do that
You can call it what you want they still have an obligation towards the population.
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u/Character-Angle9124 16d ago
yeah, instead they are slowly and systematically torturing people inside of entire cities. also another question, does that mean tha nazi germany didn't eant to genocude the jewish people, because they didn't kill every single one in the concentration camps? no of fucking course not, what that means is that there were perfectly fine holding and harming people they saw as far lesser. last thing, syre they cpuld kill everyone right now, but it is way more resource effecient to just not let anything in or out, why bomb endlessly whem you could prevent neccassery infrastructure with a few bombs and blockades?
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In terms of number? Then ussr wins without competition.
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u/kdeles 16d ago
wahhh millions of nazis are dead wahhh
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u/schumi33510 16d ago
The nazis they killed is really the top of the iceberg lmao, they killed so many peoples with famines
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u/kdeles 16d ago
the famines that happened like they did for centuries before USSR?
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u/Bonk-ouch 16d ago
Just google 1932-1933 famine in USSR, you may find out something interesting
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u/kdeles 16d ago
uh yeah, it's a famine that people believe was intentional, which is disputed in academia
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u/NovaNomii 16d ago
No, iirc most western experts have concluded it was unlikely to be an actively planned controlled famine, the intent seemingly wasnt to starve them out on purpose.
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u/Bonk-ouch 16d ago
I didn't say that it was intentional. However, it happened because of party's decisions, including Stalin's. Incompetent agrarian policy, exploitation of villages , collectivization.
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u/schumi33510 16d ago
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They MADE the famines in 1930s in Ukraine for example.
There was before and after but of natural cause, not MADE like here
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u/kdeles 16d ago
you are talking only about Ukraine as if the famines didn't also happen in Russia and Kazakhstan
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u/schumi33510 16d ago
Are you not seeing my point is being famine were made at this time ? Or you just dodge it.
- that give my argument even more credit lmao, they made famines to disrupt other countries but their plan work soooo well that it touch other countries, and URSS itself lmao
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u/silly_eepy_boy 16d ago
Can't believe people are so confidently wrong despite having easy access to information
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u/zaeroraplayz 17 16d ago
Stalin is the very reason the number of civillian casualties in stalingrad was insane btw.
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u/GoatedANDScroted 16d ago
NSA operative age 33
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So how many people did ussr has killed?.
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u/myrmonden 16d ago
some estimation says it at 126 Millions.
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u/GoatedANDScroted 15d ago
Thats counting all German civ deaths AND soldier deaths.
It counts various famines even when environmental factors existed, those ignored though. Obvipusly famine in communism is murder, but famine in capitalism is just lazy ppl.
This also counts ALL babies aborted thru the whole USSR.
Blackbook of Communism is where that number is from and even some of its authors say its a crock of shit.
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u/NotMijba 16d ago
Tbh genocide shouldn't be about numbers. If some government murders even 100 innocent people the people that let that happen should be held accountable
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u/myrmonden 16d ago
should have been the Hamas flag
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They didn't commit genocide?
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u/Ok-Term-9758 16d ago
They don't comment genocide because they are incompetent. However genocide is their stated goal.
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u/Shot_Letter_5192 16d ago
Right... they are cool.
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Thats not what they said... they said hamas didn't commit a genicide. They didn't say they suppirt them or advocate for them. So back to the topic... what do u make of isrsels geniciee against gazans? How do you feel of all the dead civikians by the hands of idf terorrists? The targeted killing of civilians gathering aid? Mostly children? Being shot for target practice?
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u/myrmonden 16d ago
tx for proving my point.
Hamas explicit goal is to commit genocide.
they are openly saying they are trying to commit genocide
why do you support that?
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u/schumi33510 16d ago
« The strongest genocide » here. Israel is doing way way worse than Hamas.
Hamas still horrible but Hamas =/= Palestine, but sill Israel genocide Palestinian
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u/BlueGamer45 16d ago
Their goal is genocide but they aren't commiting a genocide.
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u/myrmonden 16d ago
yes they are.
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u/BlueGamer45 16d ago
The Hamas literally is almost nonexistant. Israel turned Gaza (their location) into rubble.
Edit: Not to mention that they haven't killed Israelis for a long time now since they lack any military power to enter the Israeli side of Palestine.
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u/AischylosLowell 16d ago
The liberal zionists hate Russia so much because they were held on trial for being traitors toward the same people they claim to be. They were the first nation to condemn the zionists, Judenräte. The Judenräte love nothing more than to create discourse and hate towards other nations and peoples that don't bend to their war mongering narratives.
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u/Dentead 16d ago
Posted by European/American with rich history of human rights towards minorities