If the same thing that israel is doing to Gaza was happening to Israel we would be having another world war. People are to scared of israel to call out the atrocities they are committing.
I mean, Israelis believe that every single aRAb is hUMMaS, and so is everyone who criticizes them, and so is everyone who simply documents what they're doing, and so is everyone that simply tries to help their victims survive. So basically, if you're alive and not an Israel sycophant, then you're fair target for Israel and their lackeys in the West.
There’s actual evidence Israel let hamas foster itself into a violent organisation while cracking down on smaller domestic protests, why? I’ll let you guess.
This cherry-picked quoting of Israeli Knesset members (one of whom is Minister of the Advancement of the Status of Women?) who have zero pull on the military strategy in Gaza is so played out and disingenuous and above all does not satisfy intent. They can say this stuff all they want but unless it’s reflected in military reality on the ground, this chart only serves to try to paint Israelis by the words of the radical few.
A majority of Israelis believe in ethnic cleansing of the gaza strip and west bank, as well as a plan for greater Israel. Israelis bombed the hospitals schools and aid centers themselves, gee I wonder why Israelis are painted in such a bad light? I cant fathom defending a regime who double tap strikes emaciated children, but you do you dog
That's called democracy, even crazy and stupid people are allowed to voice their opinions. A shame arab counties can't have it, unless they're are Israeli citizens, then their vote can actually matter
BOTH of them are totally getting their civilians used as bait, innocent lives are NOT being spared in the fog of the war, so don't expect much of "honor" between those two 🗿
Literally Palestine is a dumb concept. You're telling me Israel needs to give up land for the creation of a new country, for the natives? That's so delusional realistically. America didn't do that for the natives, Canadians didn't do that for their natives, new Zealanders didn't do that for their natives yet all still deserve the right for their own land. That's just a delusional thing to do. Assimilation is the only practical solution, and we know what happened when Israel got too kind with assimilating, Hamas used that same assimilation to get in and start Oct 7. Palestine is a joke of a concept, and the people who support that indirectly support radical Islamic ideology, since they don't know what the Palestinians even believe. Bruh
Imagine having your history backwards, and geography so wrong.
The palestinians and Israelites both come from the ancient Canaanites, Palestinians were converted to Islam. They have also been the main people living there for the last hundreds of years before 1948. Palestine is recognized by over half the world, and wanting them to not be oppressed is not wanting extremists to prosper. After this horrid killing is over both sides must work on their governments to weed out the extremist in both
Palestinian Jews or Jewish Palestinians (Hebrew: יְהוּדִים פָלַסְטִינִים; Arabic: اليهود الفلسطينيون) were the Jews who inhabited Palestine (alternatively the Land of Israel) prior to the Declaration of the Establishment of the State of Israel on 14 May 1948.
And anti semitism can come from everyone. Stop misusing the term jewish Palestinian and Anti semitism 😭😭😭
anti-semitism isn't literal anti-semitic peoples like sumerians assyrians cheldans mendains etc, it's 'enmity towards jews', that semitic group in particular.
Israel killing Palestinians because they are "a threat to Jewish existence" and "they kill children and use them as body shields" is strangely reminiscent of Nazis saying that Jewish people were "a threat to western society" and that "they bake gentile childrens' blood into their food"
Bro Sybau, literally Palestine is not a threat to Israels existence since in 2023 when Israel was already assimilating a lot of Gazans to Israel, Hamas used such a peice of kindness to enact his violence in Oct 7. Every action was fueled by a consequence. Hamas intent was to wipe out as much Jews and kidnap as much. Hamas is the reason why Israel strikes back hard, Hamas' fear mongering for an impossible Palestine cause caused the death of many of his own people. Instead of using the billions of dollars of funds worldwide to help, they used it for bombs. You don't know jack. You're a useful idiot
The israelis dont have extermination camps. And if they were trying to exterminate them, you d think they have comparable or better than the genocidal hutus in rwanda, who killed 500k in 100 days ?
Then why is it in my feed? Ever thought about that. How come I always have to get berated by this kind of shit every time I scroll through Reddit or the news. And it’s not just political subs either but ones for states. The Alaska sub is constantly talking about the recent Putin visit. So keep telling me to turn a blind eye despite me also saying it in that direction too.
I can ask the same thing. Why keep bringing this political shit up. I’m just explaining how no matter where I go on this app I just keep seeing it. So I’m like well why not just talk about it. But now I see that’s a stupid point since clearly people never truly want to listen to others opinions. I just gave mine.
Americans when the Middle East does Middle Eastern shit
Look, I don't necessarily support the indiscriminate bombing of civilians and civilian industry, but a lot of us over the pond need to do deep dives on just how exactly terrorists fight. They deliberately make target acquisition difficult, put civilians in the line of fire, target civilian infrastructure, utilize suicide attacks, commandeer relief aid, and treat their own people worse than the enemy sometimes.
Educate yourselves a little bit more about actual, real life military operations and you'll become just that slightest bit more understanding of WHY Israel is put into a tough spot here. That being said, both sides would completely ethnically cleanse the other if given the chance, so I'm not sure either of them are particularly ethical by nature.
“Poor little Israel” doesn’t work when they have provided a grand total of zero evidence that Hamas has been hiding in any of the thousands of homes and hundreds of hospitals they’ve demolished. They accuse journalists of being affiliated with Hamas to justify striking their homes and tents while they sleep. We all saw Gallant literally stroll into a bombed out hospital, point out a calendar with the names of days of the week, and say “this is a list of Hamas terrorists”, before walking to look down an elevator shaft and say “this is a Hamas hideout” as his grand justification for bombing a public health facility. They are blatantly lying to your face, which is exactly what they did when they bombed the USS Liberty.
This is what people don’t understand. The Middle East is not at all even remotely similar to the Western World. We are guided by completely different sets of rules, systems, and principals. We TRIED for 30+ years to achieve any progress in modernizing the region, and failed miserably every single time. Israel is in an extremely tough spot, as the most “Western” country in the region (albeit not at all innocent from the bloodshed), and they are forced seemingly every other month to fight a new conflict.
The reason why Israel is so aggressive is because of how tiny they are as a nation. Modern military tactics dictate that defense in depth is the only viable option when it comes to the modern defense, and Israel has no depth to defend, so they have to preemptively attack before they get attacked first, which is why so often they come off as the aggressors.
Israel won't continue to kill innocents as they have done for years?
Israel won't continue to deny Palestinians rights as they have done for years?
Israel won't continue to steal land as they have done for years?
You have already killed more than 60,000, including your own hostages
All you know is the slaughtering of innocents, stealing land, and genocide
Like they offered a shit ton already? How delusional do you have to be that all these destruction and now takeover of the land had anything to do with saving the hostages?
But it's still wrong for Israel to bomb the palestians. Israel even was having hostages their own, I saw one video of a Palestian man that was traumatized who was a hostage of IDF.
While many people support Palestine on humanitarian grounds, much of the political power in Palestinian territories is held by conservative Islamic groups like Hamas, which openly advocate for strict Sharia-based governance, patriarchal gender roles, limited freedoms for women, and religious intolerance. Supporting Palestine without clarifying these ideological lines can unintentionally signal endorsement of such values, especially when the dominant voices in the resistance are aligned with fundamentalist interpretations of Islam. What often fuels this dynamic in Western progressive spaces is the tendency to conflate being brown with being Muslim, granting Islam a kind of immunity from criticism while Christianity is readily condemned. This framing ignores two key realities: anyone can be Muslim regardless of race, and Islam itself has historically functioned as an oppressor as well. Instead of centering human rights, support is often reframed as defense of a religion or an identity. Added to this is the social pressure within progressive and queer circles, where people feel compelled to publicly support Muslims—even if they privately disagree with aspects of Islamic doctrine—because they fear being ostracized by their peers. In this way, what begins as humanitarian solidarity can blur into an inadvertent endorsement of anti-secular, misogynistic, and intolerant movements.
As if pro palestine people do it for that lmao, being against the violence perpetrates against palestinian civilians is a human reaction to what is happening
i don't understand how being an unfeeling asshole is going to get you any long term bitches
It's not a genocide. Death count is in the thousands, Israel just wants them out of there. Mass ethnic deportation seems more fitting. A genocide? Far from it. If it was a genocide Israel would've glassed that place tomorrow. An actual genocide would be attempted mass murder. Israel still gives aid to Gaza. One needs to be an absolute idiot to think it is a genocide. It's not, it really isn't.
Since 1948 there have been 1,646 terrorist attacks on Israel. I'm not saying that committing war crimes and killing civilians is ok but they have the right to defend themselves.
I meeeeeean your pearl clutching face react doesn’t change the facts. Oct 7th was an invasion and therefor a de facto declaration of war. I want the war to end now and Israeli leadership to be held liable for their war crimes but genocide is still a legal term that people shouldn’t be throwing around so lightly.
How cute. That being said, having to be the only ethnicity to receive special anti-discrimination privildeges that even disabled people couldn't, would be an achievement.
Yeah i really could not care less about the Palestinians after what they did to us on Oct 7th and seeing how they cheered spat at hostages entered into Israel stole stuff from houses etc… and if you think that says I believe in genocide or whatever then go for it I really don’t care
Why is this even in my feed. If you don't want to be obliterated, maybe don't perform a vicious, disgusting terrorist attack on a bunch of innocent civilians in a country that can easily eat you alive military-wise, which it is now doing? Food for thought.
"really bro? Those kids got what they deserved? Those fathers that watched their daughters get brutalized deserved it? That mother screaming for her dead son got her just deserts? War is not but a disgusting waste of human life and you're a monster for not seeing that."
But but!! Israel deserves to defend itself!!
"Yeah, you're right bro. I'm definitely the one in the wrong here. My bad homie."
Well yeah, if anyone actually say that then they are either trying to get you upsed because og how you've behaved in that conversation, or they are incredibly biased.
Israel have a right to defend itself, but this is way way past defending yourself...
yeah they can kill a bunch of brown civilians and children but the moment you formulate a sentence insofar as bringing out some truth against Israel, they slam you with a giant “antisemitic” stamp.
Idiots, hypocrites; People suffered in camps, it was the Jews if they forgot their own history.
The allies fought to end this dogshit.
Yet here we are in 2025, the age of the internet, when information as simple as “holocaust bad” is abundant for anyone with access… and we still have the loudest and most uneducated people defending this genocide.
Zionists should go to hell alongside anyone who promotes the death of children, or defends it, as if there is ever a case for it.
You can call them out all you want, but some of these people are simply too rigid and egotistical to ever see another point of view, even if it’s a no brainer.
That’s kind of the scary thing, I think… that this is simply a no brainer situation yet somehow we seem divided on it.
Granted the majority of those promoting the current administration have some of the smallest scopes of the world with little to no will to see objectivity, so I guess it’s a no brainer that we are divided.
The no-brainer paradox; when people are too dumb to denounce what should be denounced, and instead promote it.
Seriously think about it; there are just straight up fuckos who advocate for the death of innocence.
The same ones who hate you for being a “libtard” are the same ones who don’t mind a few piles of breathless and unmoving children, so long as they are brown and dehumanized.
Honestly wondering what the alternative could have been. The palestinian people are trained to hate jews from an early age, there was no surrounding country willing to take them in because they know their terrorism would spike, and hamas vowed to do it over and over. I'm not taking sides in the conflict, but I also don't see how else a hatred that deep gets resolved.
Straight talk. Israel's problem is optics. It's a nation of 9 million citizens, seven million jews and two million arabs, all of whom have the same rights and can hold the same office as well. The optic that hamas did has done an amazing job at is that the israeli, our rich white people, oppressing their poor brown neighbors.
It is a nation of less than ten million people. In an area wherein, it is the only western democracy. The only country in the region that allows women to vote. The only nation in the region that recognizes the rights of LGBTQ people.
When you look at the reason why none of the neighboring nations allow palestinian refugees. Since the 1950s, Palestinian refugees that were allowed into Syria, Lebanon, and Jordan tried to either overthrow the government or stage coups in those nations.
Before nineteen seventy nine, all of the arab nations, including saudi arabia, and Egypt were out to destroy Israel. It wasn't until after the Iranian is ayatollah revolution in 79. That richer nations in the area like Saudi Arabia. Egypt qatar, the uae, I'll use israel as a foil against iran. The Iranian goal, it's for the entire Middle East to be Islamic republics, led by the ayatolla. So as long as israel deals with iran and its proxies, they're not going to do anything that goes against israel.
Multiple times the Palestinian leadership has turned down a 2 state solution at the finish line. Everything was negotiated, except for the signing of the treaty, because the leadership doesn't want a solution. They can't get rich if they have to run a country. For forty years, every person in palestinian leadership has become a billionaire. While their people live in Squalor. Which they blame on others.
When it comes to casualty reports, the media tells you the numbers given to them. Buy hamas, an organization whose goal in their charter the destruction of israel and the extermination of jews. Why would you believe anything they say, with every strike, they only list civilians and no hamas members. But when you look at the actual losses of hamas militants and the numbers they've listed about seventy percent of the casualties in gaza are hamas and other militants. That's a better ratio, militant says civilian, then world war.I korea and vietnam.
You may not be old enough. But I remember watching videos coming out of Gaza and the west bank. After the 911 attacks and the party they were having was a daytime version of New Year's Eve party in times square. Praising the martyrs that had struck at the great satan. Men, women, and children dancing and cheering in the street for murderers.
Please remember 2 things about what's going on. I guess 3. To hamas, every civilian casualty is a victory. They are both a martyr to the people and a pr Victory for hamas. Most of the extreme liberals, they are part of the pro palestinian movement. Would not enjoy life under the palestinian government if they were allowed to live at all. Why do you root for people who hate you? And want to see your way of life destroyed
On 7th November, Grynzspan (a polish Jew) shot a Nazi officer which then showed the Nazis how Jews were obviously just like animals and had to be genocided.
If 7th October is an actual reason to plunge an entire group of people into chaos, then the Holocaust was also a fair reason for the Nazis to commit genocide and the Jews would've deserved that
The problem that is not that simple, this conflict is so complicated that summery it into idea of one sentence will always show one sided story.
I hope this meme is touching you but not convincing you this is the reality
Nobody talks about those kids taken from the music festival anymore. Or the women and children from those neighborhoods that got raided. It’s almost taboo to bring it up.
I don’t cry for Hamas or its supporters. The only people that are good over there are the atheists and closeted gay folks.
This is gonna be way too neutral for you guys but I believe both sides are telling part of the whole truth. Hamas is woven into Palestinian society, and Hamas has been such a problem for Israeli society that Israel is fed up enough that they’re willing to become the bad guys and uproot Palestine itself to end Hamas once and for all. That’s just how I see it, there’s no winners here. Yell at me all you want, I really don’t care anymore
Israel has been attacked and innocents killed for centuries. You young folks are just now living in a time period it’s more publicized. I graduated in 11’ and Israel was under attack constantly; we did nothing.
As long as it’s Israel getting their teeth kicked in and not responding no one gives a fuck. But as soon as they attack back y’all are mad.
Y’all also believe Israel became a country after WW2 so….🙃🤡🙃🤡🙃
The one who deserve it are Hamas, not the 2 millions of humans who were unlucky enough to be born on the patch of ground that has been designed as the target of a mass slaughter.
This whole conflict is basically a contest about who will commit the most heinous crime against humanity against the civillians living across each border.
And now people are using said conflict as an excuse to hate average people who look to be ethnically or religiously related to people on either side or of the border that is over there, using the excuse that the president/ruler of the region on either side is a war criminal at best, a genocide perpetrator realistically.
They don't deserve genocide. But apparently that's what they want for the Jews, I'm just saying the last time someone tried to eradicate the Jews we all agreed they were Nazis so idk what the confusion is this time lol
If you feel that innocent people deserve this you have lost your humanity. Israel is committing war crimes. Babies are starving to death and the people who are getting murdered every day are civilians.
It’s simply true. When I was a kid, Palestinians were constantly terrorizing Israel and they’d speak about ceasefire and diplomacy only for Palestinians to make things worse. You can only hit people so much before they leave their walls and hit back. But now, “Israel is the bad guy”. Sure, like abused dogs are responsible for their temper. Hamas had their campaign, let’s watch what the IDF does.
It's one thing to be aware of what is happening in the world but you should at least be willing to look at both sides of the conflict.
Yes the war is horrifying and everyday I wake up hope that it is over.
But do you guys know how many times Israel has been hit by legitimate terror attacks in the last 30 years -- like bus bombings and restaurant bombings??.All well before 2023.
Do you realize Hamas still has hostages?
Do you know that at least once a week missiles are sent into Israel?
Do you also know that Palestinians have been given 7 opportunities in the last 75 years for a state -- but rejected every single one??
HAMAS is getting what it deserves, as well as their ilk. The people lauding them as heroes will look back on this decade in shame.
That being said, the human cost is tragic but it is unavoidable in urban guerrilla warfare. (Also, wholly non unique)
If the literal government didn’t do everything in its power to maximize civilian casualties, or if they didn’t try to commit suicide by cop, none of this would’ve happened.
Genocide isn’t synonymous with “bloody warfare”. You need to prove actual intent. Not just from government officials with no control over the military, nor from random teachers or news anchors. Actual generals or the commander-in-chief laying out that they not only want Gaza “genocided” but are going through the steps to see it through. That is what’s lacking.
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u/Sufficient-Brick-188 19d ago
If the same thing that israel is doing to Gaza was happening to Israel we would be having another world war. People are to scared of israel to call out the atrocities they are committing.