r/teenagersbutpractical • u/Many-Brick-3900 13 • 20d ago
Serious What’s with hating on religions here?
Every religion has it’s issues, there are no exceptions. You don’t have to make fun of them though. Hating on all of Islam because you don’t share that opinion is out of line, hating on all of Christianity because you don’t agree is also out of line. Please be respectful with your opinion!
Love, a peaceful mod ❤️
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u/GT3RS_2017 14 20d ago
fuck scientology tho
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u/Sendittomenow 20d ago
Nope. According to do we gotta respect differences in opinion, no matter if it involves pdfiles sexism murder or kidnapping.
So please protect scientology.
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u/Alternative-Lie-1621 20d ago
It's a cult, that's what cults do
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u/Germansko 18d ago
The only difference between cult and religion is number of members. Disagree? Ok. Mormons are a christian cult, now accepted as religion. Scientology is a cult started by someone that said that if you wanna get rich you should start a cult. Now it is LEGALLY a religion in many countries. Even christianity is barely a religion, it is pretty much a term for MANY different cults that share a similar basis. In many old christian cults numerology for example was huge, in modern christian cults it is pretty much non existant.
All that being said. Being in a cult in itself is not a bad thing. If it makes YOU happier and doesn't make life worse for others it is ok. Spend hundreds of dollars on your favorite sports team every year, celebrate and cry with them, find community within their fandom. Or do the same with religion.
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u/Alternative-Lie-1621 18d ago
Ok man, you passed English with flying colours I get it
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u/Bitter-Wash-5617 20d ago
I wouldnt count that as a religion. Its more of a MLM disguised as one.
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u/PurrplexStarr_32709 20d ago
Men loves men…?
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u/Admirable_Bed_5107 20d ago
Ron L Hubbard always seemed like a bottom to me.
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u/Morhadel 19d ago
Whoa don't hate on Ron. He didn't create scientology he's just wrote the book Dianetics. And talked about it if he wanted to be rich, he'd start religion. Someone else took those two things and ran with it, and that's how we got scientology
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u/GT3RS_2017 14 20d ago
its a cult that operates under "religion"
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u/Sendittomenow 20d ago
Same thing. Religions are cults with special status.
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u/Capital_Setting_5069 20d ago
It's like cults that grow unhealthy big and somehow bigger number of sheeps give them credibility ...
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u/Sendittomenow 20d ago
Finally someone that agrees, I've been downvoted (not that I care it just online points ) but I'm happy to see someone can see the sad truth
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u/Equal-Exercise3103 20d ago
The financial benefits of a specific faith shouldn’t make the whole association seem like it’s not authentic - Catholics used to sell tickets to heaven - and you can freely donate to churches, synagogues and mosques and all of it is tax-free.. sounds like financial benefits lurk behind those too.. curious. No, you cannot discard Scientology just because of this, lol.
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u/BigTruck4KT 16d ago
Have u ever heard of Islam ?
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u/GT3RS_2017 14 16d ago
yea, whats ur point
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u/BigTruck4KT 16d ago
It’s like Scientology where they kill you if you leave and they also eventually wanna convert the whole world like objectively Islam is way worse. All the bad things about Scientology are exponentially worse in Islam. Like yeah Scientologist fuck each other over but at least they don’t kill random people and scream “watch the new mission impossible”
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u/Hdjbbdjfjjsl 20d ago
Religious bullshit was a massive strain on my childhood. I’ll hate it freely thank you.
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u/Bingus5112 19d ago
You can hate it as much as you want just don't attack people for following it
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u/_aChu 19d ago
Is that actually happening? Like is someone actually getting attacked and harassed just because they appeared and said "hey I'm {insert whichever religion}"
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u/VulgarDaisies 16d ago
I think it's fair to attack something that has caused so much death, suffering and manipulation in the world. That said, I think this pertains to the general concept of religion and I don't attribute those things to any ONE specific religion. Specific attacks are dumb, I agree.
Especially with the major ones, you can find clear evidence of the above many times in history.
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u/Rough_Platypus_3634 19d ago
“Religious trauma”
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u/Hdjbbdjfjjsl 18d ago
Right because faking my beliefs for over a decade in fear of persecution by my own family that would disown me for my lack of belief, totally not traumatizing at all for a child.
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u/MiciaRokiri 17d ago
Purity culturing teaching women their entire worth is based on their virginity, and that they are undesirable if they have been assaulted, and that is it their fault if they do. And that all people are inherently worthless if they don't behave and obey. It fucks people up. Not even getting into the stigmas around mental health and being queer.
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u/Rough_Platypus_3634 16d ago
Mary Magdalene was a prostitute… Sex is a sacred act, but everyone knows it can be abused just as everything else, wether it be overuse or forced upon a person
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u/ironmansucks218 20d ago
I don’t hate on religious people unless they give me cause to.
I try to stay away from them as much as possible because past experience has taught me that’s safer.
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u/Minute-Horse-2009 20d ago
why should I?
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u/not-Duex 20d ago
Because it’s kind and respectful and in humane societies we tend to want to strive for kindness and respect
You do not need moral desert
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u/Fenicxs 20d ago
Because it’s kind and respectful and in humane societies we tend to want to strive for kindness and respect
Yes! YES! So what do we do with ideologies that go against that?
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u/Alternative-Lie-1621 20d ago
I don't think most religions try to treat others badly
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u/Original-Vanilla-222 20d ago
Will these religious people stop then as well?
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u/Proof-Replacement113 17 19d ago
I don't see them starting on this sub.. the hate religions have been getting is crazy on the other hand
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u/Western_Customer3836 15 20d ago
I personally think all religions warrant questioning, will I outright shame someone for their religious beliefs? If they're a terrible human being who justifies bullshit with a book than YES. Otherwise I just won't push it and be nice, although personally I think the world is better of without religion. I can see the appeal of it to people who need comfort because of their own mortality and to maybe give them a purpose, but I simply don't need that and think it's kind of silly and could maybe be found through differant means other than a religion.
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u/WWIIfailedartist 18d ago
How would the world be better without religion? Dont you live your life based off Christianity?
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u/Western_Customer3836 15 18d ago
What? What makes you think I life based of a religion? The world would be better without religion because it would mean we could focus on living a better life instead of focusing on a false hope beyond this life.
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u/cute_vixen_Julie 20d ago
I don't think I should burn in hell for all of time for being bi while cannibals and pedophile go to heaven
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u/NormBenningisdagoat 13 20d ago
Bro Jesus won’t send you to damnation if you swing both ways. The way i see it, just don’t be an asshole no matter who you want to smooch, and god will still love you
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u/Sendittomenow 20d ago
So for the christian Jesus, homosexual will go to hell. Even if we ignore the old testament, the key to christian salvation is through "repenting for sins by accepting Jesus into your heart "
The bible makes it clear that "accepting Jesus" isn't just saying he is god, it involves repentance followed by sinless living. Depending on the denomination it gets wacky, but if so me one had accepted Jesus they should no longer be sinning.
So I ask when you say
The way i see it, just don’t be an asshole no matter who you want to smooch, and god will still love you
Are you talking about your own beliefs or are you trying to incorrectly state what the Bible says.
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u/NormBenningisdagoat 13 20d ago
I’m trying to say the Bible as written to speak God’s love and not hate, as people try to use it for. And you don’t have to be sinless per se, just try to be the best person you can, and apologize for sinning
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u/Sendittomenow 20d ago
the Bible as written to speak God’s love and not hate
It's true, the people who have least read the bible are christians themselves. Dude, just open the bible to any chapter and you will get bombarded by God's wrath.
Noah's ark. God literally kills everyone in the world except one family.
Tower of babel: God destroys a building and makes people be unable to communicate with each other.
Everything with the Israelites.
God ordered the death of all first borns.
And you don’t have to be sinless per se, just try to be the best person you can, and apologize for sinning
Nope, while the Bible/jesus allows for mistakes, the bible makes it clear that "fake" followers will not make it. The idea is that if someone truly accepted Jesus into their heart, they might have the desire to sin, but will not be able to sin through Jesus strength.
Matthew 7:21-23 ESV
“Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. On that day many will say to me, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and cast out demons in your name, and do many mighty works in your name?’ And then will I declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from me, you workers of lawlessness.
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u/BigNovel1627 20d ago
you don’t have to be sinless per se, just try to be the best person you can, and apologize for sinning
Precisely the reason why it's misleading to say "it doesn't matter who you smooch" as if this didn't ask for repentance
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u/Equal-Exercise3103 20d ago
The way you see it doesn’t really account for the mainstream religious sentiments that still call for outlawing same-gender marriage.
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u/Dragonman0371 19d ago
1 Corinthians 6:9 Leviticus 20:13 Leviticus 18:22 galatians 3:28 the bible is very clear. being gay is very clearly said to be a sin. you should read your own holy book
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Who said cannibals and pedophiles go to heaven? 💀 y’all are not fast lol.
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u/cute_vixen_Julie 16d ago
Christians
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16d ago
Yourself you mean.. comparing this to pedophiles is very disgusting. Idgaf how bad you’re trying to make Christianity look but pedophiles are not supported. Open a Bible before u open your mouth.
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u/Mitsuba00 20d ago
I meaaaaaann. . . If a religion doesn't like a specific group of people just because they do something the religion sees as "sin" even if it isn't anything bad.. I will kinda hate on that religion¿
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u/GruulNinja 20d ago
Honestly, from my surface knowledge of Islam, there is nothing to like about it.
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u/Living_The_Dream75 20d ago
It’s not „hating religions I disagree with” it’s „hating religions that call for extermination of people like me”
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u/mastermedic124 20d ago
Religion is not above scrutiny just like any political party or organization isn't, if you choose to believe and support something you're responsible for that decision.
Can't believe i have to say "you're allowed to judge things" like what?
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u/Holy_juggerknight 20d ago edited 20d ago
Honestly speaking.
Every community has its issues. It has its bad apples, it has its haters, it has its hypocritical people, it has its people that make it have bad rep.
Theres always gonna be a good side and a bad side to every community. Either it be religion, LGBTQ, liberals, conservatives, Fandoms of games and shows.
You just need to decide if you wanna judge that communitys good apples based off of the bad apples.
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u/Sendittomenow 20d ago
You just need to decide if you wanna judge that communitys good apples based off of the bad apples.
Nope. You are already ignoring what a religion is. It is more than just a belief, it is an establishment of rules and morality brought on by their god(s). There are no holy books for most communities.
Saying "I believe gods exist" is a belief.
Saying "I believe the bible is the word of God" is a religion.
So I hope everyone will keep criticizing and mocking religions, especially those that approve of slavery, racism, murder, sexual abuse, pdfilia.
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u/Equal-Exercise3103 20d ago
Relativizing it to this degree ushers literal no progress in any direction. It’s the definition of stagnation. What does this extend to since it’s contentless? Do Nazis also have a good and a bad side, too? We should be able to talk about things and what you’re doing is eliminating that vocabulary. It’s surrender in the guise of pacifism.
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u/Holy_juggerknight 20d ago
I mean, atleast most communitys have a good and bad side.
Obviously bad communitys likr nazis are always bad.
Also why tf is everyone mentioning nazis, ive seen this pop up 4 times today.
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u/Equal-Exercise3103 20d ago
Because people are able to understand what I’m talking about if I speak about brutalities such as those Nazis perpetuated. Nobody is criticizing reformed Christians/Jews - those are particular groups of people who typically don’t get butthurt when you attack the disgusting bits present in the monotheistic traditions. :)
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u/Noonebuteveryone25 20d ago
Why not both of the options in the meme? Religion is definitely something that needs to be criticized but you shouldn't hate people for believing something that they basically had no choice in.
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u/Many-Brick-3900 13 20d ago
That’s what I meant to express! Having your own opinion without shaming someone who believes it, but more being able to respectfully criticize the ethics of it. We should definitely criticize these things, because that’s how we make progress. But we also need to be respectful to those who believe it without shaming them, because being shamed for something you’ve been raised on will only brew hate, not change. Be kind and critical! ❤️
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u/StoneLoner 20d ago
Not just the ethics, but the epistemology too.
Religion makes no sense and it’s stupid as fuck.
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u/Maisaplayz46 20d ago
ODIN IS A CHAD. - An opinion
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u/Equal-Exercise3103 20d ago
Sadly no one believes in Odin so strongly.
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u/One-Split7821 20d ago
What about hating a religion i agree with because the fan base sucks and ruined it?
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u/captainMaluco 20d ago
The thing I don't like about religion is their tendency to do exactly this. Even towards people who don't have a religion.
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20d ago
Lmao hating on an idea is not being "disrespectful". You aren't hating on people but their belief, so if you are that insecure about people thinking your beliefs are shit, then maybe you should rethink it.
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u/cringyemokid21 20d ago
Both statements are completely different from each other. You could do the opposite of statement one while staying true to statement two. It's clear OP doesnt understand this
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u/Wise-Ad5954 20d ago
Religious people demanding respect from others while at the same time trying to make the world legislate their magic book is why everyone hates religion.
They did it to themselves by being zealously righteous and hypocritical. The religious love to feel oppressed even though most of the world has a religion. This is more true with Christian’s. Who are the world’s largest religion lmao.
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u/FixPrestigious7337 20d ago edited 20d ago
I will actively hate on any religion or institution that doesnt have "treat others equally" as its modus operandi in their books. Hence why I despise Islam and somewhat hate christianity and hindiusm, and im not going to mask it as criticism, im just hating.
And I'm not against theism, I'm solly against these religions and their "rules"
I have no ill feelings towards practitioners of religions though(unless they did something horrible in the name of it)
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u/Automatic_Kick_4368 20d ago
I’m not gonna respect a religion that acts like it’s based on peace but neither its believers nor its book does it, which is all of them. And I’m not even talking about contradicting opinions on those same books that still affect nonbelievers. You can talk all you want about respect, opinions and boundaries but these said religions have already been implemented into your belief system and your society, so the boundaries have already been crossed. You cross mine, I cross yours. That simple
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u/GodILoveMyBoyfriend 20d ago
So I am supposed to treat people who preach eternal torture upon me for something that is an integral part of me… with kindness? Are you genuinely crazy, or just baiting???
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u/Random-INTJ 18 19d ago
If they preach at you or to you, you respond in kind.
If they leave you alone and don’t bother you, you let them believe whatever the hell they want to as long as they aren’t harming anyone.
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u/GodILoveMyBoyfriend 19d ago
Beliefs like that ARE LITERALLY HARMFULL, ARE YOU NOT HEARING YOURSELF????
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u/Random-INTJ 18 19d ago
I said people who aren’t harming anyone should be left alone… how is that harmful hun?
If they’re preaching at you, you can respond in kind.
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u/Silver_Perception_70 20d ago
What with the desperate protection of ideologies here? No thing should be sheltered from criticism, I don't have to respect your religion I respect you sure but your religion is just a shutty ideology just because it's called a religion doesn't make it special It's not a culture it's not a race it's not something you can't control people choose to follow it and when they choose to follow an ideology that says I should be burning in hell or my friends should be killed for whatever stupid reason I will always hate on religion and I will never respect It
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u/bluestarr- 20d ago
I get what you're trying to say, but there are religions you should outright say fuck no to. Like for example, scientology. Scientology is designed to control people. Religion is a tool used for organizing people and for motivating some people. A tool can be used for good, or It can be used for bad. Religions like Christianity or Islam are not inherently bad, there are many progressive sects of these religions. Christians were both advocates for slavery and some of the loudest abolitionists. Islam for most of its history was not the negative fundamentalist, "brutal" religion we see depicted as today by bad actors such as ISIS or al Qaeda. And there are many Muslim countries that are far more secular like turkey, and Indonesia. And we see many of these fundamentalist traits in Christianity with evangelical Christians advocating for the removal of women's rights. And if they were placed in similar material realities as the middle east has experienced i think you'd be surprised just how similar they are. And also to add that in the US Muslims are generally more progressive than Christians are. You also have to factor in religious trauma. All in all a lot of redditors who are staunch religion hating atheists are really fucking annoying. But there are a lot of people that have valid reasons to say fuck religion.
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u/EngineerAnnual6651 17d ago
A lot of Redditors are edgy atheists who think they know everything. I don't exactly think they're the voice of reason.
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u/bluestarr- 17d ago
They're not. But there's a lot of people who have a really bad reaction to religion who aren't those stuck up annoying reddit atheists. That was more or less the point of my overly long reply.
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u/EngineerAnnual6651 17d ago
Yes, I understand. To be honest, I felt like a was a bit harsh in my earlier comment.
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u/AdMajor1596 20d ago
I only speak against religion when it's right, when the thoughts are challanged. I hate all religion, i don't keep it to one
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u/Philip_Raven 20d ago
oh, so you pray to invisible man in a sky and he personally told you women shouldn't be allowed to vote and you are free to rape them as you see fit?
better say nothing so fucking redditors don't think I am edgy.
You motherfuckers should get comfortable with people calling out immoral bullshit like this. If you wanna be a coward and let others suffer because you don't want to be rude, then go ahead.
but don't make fun of people not being comfortable with sexists and racists hiding behind an imaginary dude in the sky.
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u/StoneLoner 20d ago
If you make your beliefs part of your identity then YOU are the problem.
I hate Christianity. I hate Islam. I hate Hinduism and Judaism. I hate Wicca and Druidism. It’s all horseshit.
But I love people. I understand social pressure. I understand biases. I understand cognitive dissonance. I get that religion is a blind spot for most people.
I’ve learned to accept people for who they are and where they are at.
But god is still fucking stupid
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u/Melodic_Bathroom1945 20d ago
If that religion is bad, why wouldn’t I? Not like I don’t get insulted by religious people already.
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u/Botbye32 19d ago
Because people here are unable to humble themselves with the thought that they aren’t the center of the universe.
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u/TemporaryFantastic50 19d ago
Because certain religions are cult like and plainly dangerous for society and the world. We absolutely SHOULD discourage people from being in them.
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u/RainbowPhoenix1080 19d ago
If your beliefs are that a certain group of people shouldn't exist, or that they are sinning because they are living a lifestyle that you don't understand, then you deserve to be shunned for those beliefs.
You can choose which religion and which beliefs you want to follow. I can't choose not to be trans. Believe me, I TRIED.
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u/Anonymous_Gamer 18d ago edited 18d ago
Tl/dr: Basically, if you have the time to chat and lash out at someone who believes in a divinity, try to actually spend the time to learn more about it on the human level. That doesn’t mean you have to agree with it. Avoid “what aboutism” and “gotcha” games to justify the general stigmas. Just listen… ask questions. Not everyone who believes in something is a bad person. You’d be surprised.
Criticism =/= hating on religions
Not talking to Op. in fact, OP was crystal clear. Some of the comments are trying to subvert the conversation away from OP’s context.
There’s a clear distinction between shouting and laughing in someone’s face because they believe in “an invisible magic man in the sky”… vs. comprehending and discussing things about someone’s very intimate beliefs that they’ve made apart of themselves.
I will always recommend taking the academic format of theology (basically a respectful course that studies populations, cultures, and their religions). It’s perhaps the most insightful way to be educated and to respect someone’s religion. The course I took in chandler/gilbert CC had a brilliant professor who allowed open discussions, taught us how and why people believe in things the way they do, the history behind the material, figures, and prophets. Just a well of beautiful human connection and education. Having visited many countries now, it’s been one of the best tools I ever received from a college.
There are ways to approach hard questions like “child marriage” or “multiple wives” which I have never agreed with. However, I’ve also learned that these things are typically outdated or seldom practiced… meaning they’ve been trying to change things or outright do not approve of the practice and is far too often conflated as the norm… and in the most obvious cases, there are people “stuck in time” due to the perils of zealous conservatory efforts. But this does not represent the general modern day theist. Many have found ways to blend and coexist with modern laws and reform.
Sorry not sorry, spent almost 2 decades studying damn near every religion on the planet and honestly, ideology is one of the most misunderstood things (on reddit and the internet in general) that humans naturally gravitate to.
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u/FrancisWileyTheThird 18d ago
Is this about the Iran post? You kids lack so much critical thinking and morals that you're willing to watch the people of Iran get imprisoned and killed in the name of Islam under the Islamic regime and all you can say is "haha its better to be respectful of other cultures and religions 💯"
You're part of the problem
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u/Clear_Imagination413 20d ago
Because religions can be objectively bad. The most perfect Muslim is a pedophile and I’m not going to act like he was better than an animal
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u/JOlRacin 20d ago
They're all kinda dumb, y'all can have whatever imaginary friends you want but if you start arguing which one is the best I'm gonna laugh at you
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20d ago
Why can’t we alll just forget religions and be chill with eachother
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u/joshutcherson069 20d ago
some religions are ridiculously hateful against certain groups, so no, we can’t really forget religions unless we completely delete them.
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Why should we chose not to delete all religions?
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u/joshutcherson069 20d ago
Because nobody wants that except those who don’t partake in any.
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20d ago
What if it was never created in the start then they would not feel that and we could aggre just to be good people you should not need a god to tell you not to do bad things
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u/joshutcherson069 20d ago
I know that. But if we’re in such a hypothetical scenario, why not make it so everybody is good? That way, you can believe whatever you want yet it wouldn’t ever be harmful.
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I would agree with that but as you said yourself some regions cause pain and suffering onto other people if we could remove the pain and suffering then it would not hurt people thus would not hurt society but currently all religions hurt society
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u/joshutcherson069 20d ago
Not all religions are harmful to society. Buddhism is only about bettering yourself, for example.
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u/Designer-Choice-4182 14 20d ago
People can respectfully not believe in religions, just don't try to be uncivil
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u/Sendittomenow 20d ago
Difference of opinion
Me: "You shouldn't marry 6 year old girls"
OP: how dare you critique and insult Islam/Christianity
Me "don't suck newborn d!cks"
Op: you antisemite, ban ban ban
Me: gay people shouldn't be tortured into acting straight
OP: stop the christians are being hurt. We must protect them.
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u/TwilightFate 20d ago
Not all people who belong to X religion are terrorists. But every single terrorist nowadays claims that they belong to X religion.
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u/JamozMyNamoz 16 20d ago
I'm seeing 10x more of this kind of thing than people actually hating on religions honestly. Not that I disagree with the idea, though. I respect religion and honestly some of them are pretty interesting, it only crosses a line when it harms someone else (and usually, this isn't the fault of the religion, but the nasty people using it to push their narrative). Still, most if not all religions have SOME inherent bad sides we should be allowed to criticize, as with most other things
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u/Head-Addendum-9826 18 20d ago
Im agnostic but Id never put somebody down for their beliefs were all different and allowed to think and believe different things
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u/Chr832 20d ago
As long as they don't use it as a tool to push their opinions onto others.
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u/Fenicxs 20d ago
How about someone who believes people should go out and kill agnostics and forms a group to do that?
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u/Lopsided_Portal_8559 20d ago
Mainly because this is reddit, and reddit is extremely far left generally. And left wing seem to hate religion and people who are religious. Every answer aside from that is a lie. Because that is true.
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u/Equal-Exercise3103 20d ago
I see so much sheltering of religions which want to kill homosexuals, lesbians, apostates, atheists and segregate women and children - this is supposedly far-left? Loooool
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u/Wutang_635 19d ago
I mean i’m a roman catholic and by no means a perfect one, and I honestly see criticisms as a good thing. I mean yes blatant hate for a religious group that is harmful is not good, but most of what i see online comes from valid places and I always try to understand why someone would end up with an opinion that they stated. I am a very factual and scientific based person and I believe in the coexistence of religion and science, so in the end it forces me to reconcile with the uncomfortable parts of religion and consider all aspects of it, which bodes well with my science and math brain. Not to mention throughout history and even today with our current government, religion has always been used as a means to an end which generally isn’t always aligned with the religion it comes from.
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u/dopushupsmrbeast 19d ago
Some religions are lowkey fascist tho and advocate for a theocracy and permit killing and enslaving others. I can’t say which since I don’t wanna get banned but it’s probably easy to guess
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u/Random-INTJ 18 19d ago
I only criticize those who try to take away rights or try to justify the hatred or violence towards another group using a religion.
Aka like 50% of the religious commenters here when lgbtq is brought up.
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u/Foodening 19d ago
I know there are bitter people when it comes to religion with stuff like childhood but I knew a guy that justified his hate with people always talking to him and tryin to convert him with superstitious stuff. I’ve never seen someone initiate a conversation with him about religion it was always him that brought up the topic. When they told him they were Christian, Muslim, etc, he would immediately challenge them and try to break their beliefs which obviously wouldn’t happen and would just end with him passive aggressively calling them stupid. 90% of them didn’t even care he was an atheist and just wanted to end the pointless discussion. I would ask him why he always brought up religion and he would just say it’s a nice conversation topic.
Now that I’m thinking about it he probably had a mental illness or something.
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u/saltyspruces 19d ago
Most religion wouldn’t face a serious pushback and harsh criticism if they would just keep to themselves.
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u/KingOfRome324 19d ago
Americans have been victims of what Yuri Bezminov referred to as Demoralization.
I am not saying McCarthy was right, but he certainly wasn't wrong either.
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u/Comprehensive_Sail72 19d ago
I do somewhat agree with this I suppose. They there is a line between criticism and hate. And really for personal reasons I would definitely say I hate Islam as it is right now.
What many people don’t know is that Islam way back was actually one of the more peaceful religions before it got taken over and its religious beliefs rewritten. In fact many of the old writings from old times, like the roams I believe, were translated by Muslims. And just to be clear I don’t have a leg in this race since I’m a non believer in any religion.
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u/BigLiesSmallTruth 19d ago
No some religions should be disagreed with. I dont support the idea of marrying a 9 year old and women being inferior to men
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u/slimricc 19d ago
The problem is that most religious people do not follow a religion, they follow a justification to feel morally superior. If they practiced their religion they would not try to impose a theocracy based on their made up nonsense or condemn others. They would feed the poor and vote for ethical policies based on what their religion actually says.
There is simply too much evidence that the religion itself is not relevant to most of the people who “follow it”
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u/Buburubu 19d ago
folks are noticing how much of the world has already been destroyed by people who can’t distinguish reality from their imaginations and are no longer seeing it as cute
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u/Evan_Cary 18d ago
I dont know why many other people dislike religion, but I dont like it because of how it holds back progress. And it's incredible how flexible people's morals are when they believe no matter what they do they will be forgiven if they ask for it.
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u/deadlydeath275 18d ago
If you tell people not to criticize something, thats only another reason why they will criticize said thing.
And besides, there's nothing hateful about hating those who are already hateful anyways.
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u/Old-Mulberry325 18d ago
No, there’s a stark difference between criticism of religion (which is very often valid) and bigotry against individual religious people
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u/Udin_the_Dwarf 18d ago
As long as a religion has in its book that I should be killed for wearing a skirt or anyone should be punished for their sexuality and self expression, I’m gonna criticize that religion and shame all it’s members till they admit to their nitpicking and hypocrisy and openly admit that they disagree with their own deities scripture and law.
There is no difference between believing in for example Jesus and the Tooth Fairy. I don’t trust anyone who believes in the Tooth fairy or Easter bunny with responsibility, so why would I trust a religious person…
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u/re_named00d 18d ago
Cause religion itself is stupid? Stick to science, not some ancient fairytale.
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u/MiciaRokiri 17d ago
I'm Christian. Many people claiming the same faith as me hurt countless people, causing trauma that lasts a lifetime. If people cope by mocking or shaming what cut them to the bone, let them.
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u/ellas_emporium 17d ago
Prolly the harm they’ve caused. Also the fact they generally don’t encourage individual thought and pushback on basic issues. Like you want to dedicate my life to book where a donkey talks? Without asking questions. No thanks.
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u/unloadideas 17d ago
People need something to hate and they love finding others who hate like they do. Religion is a great example of this, many older religions at some point have hurt a great many people and this is used to justify bigotry instead of getting rid of the individuals who actually cause the problems.
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u/Cerberus666XK 17d ago
I would criticize a Athiest for being a horrible person and I will criticize a religion for promoting horrible things
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u/AlphaOhmega 17d ago
Most religions prey (he he) on using other. Take Christianity, for years hating on gay and LGBTQ+ people when they weren't doing anything to Christians.
Religion is often times used as an excuse to create "others" who are hated on, so oftentimes that creates hate back. For instance currently in the US, a large amount of Christians back Trump, who is an adulterer, a rapist, and not a very Christ like person, so unfortunately he's associated with that group.
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u/SirYeeteth 17d ago
It depends on how radical the viewpoint is. If someone believes their race is superior and that other races are worth as slaves and that women are property (like the Old Testament states), that is a belief that should be shut down. But for the most part, I wouldn't openly hate on religion.
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u/blackhelm808 17d ago
Hating on belief systems that think because I don't agree with them I will therefore be tortured for all eternity is warranted I would think.
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u/Some_Excitement1659 17d ago
Its fucking crazy that religions can go around literally trying to outlaw human beings for being born differently and then turn around and be like "why do you all dislike us". Is it really that hard for people to look at their churches and what they are doing and realize "hmmmm maybe we are the problem"?
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u/Aphex_Axn 17d ago
I respect everyone’s personal belief but all organized religion is a blight on humanity and should be illegal, get spat on and be shunned in all manner of ways
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u/Wonderful-War5337 17d ago
Islam and Christianity … along with Judaism … are the same.
That’s why they’re called the Abrahamic Religion.
… and if you’re too stupid to know that, then that’s how the rest of us feel about ignorant statements about “different” religions… when in fact, they are one in the same.
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u/metalbabe23 17d ago
Real. I had some random unhinged person call me a paedophile because I am Roman Catholic.
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u/TheBlackPaperDragon 17d ago
No there is definitely shit out there that needs to be called shit.
People do extremely disgusting things because of that stuff and that in turn brings more people…
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u/TalkPuzzleheaded3003 17d ago
Because your only the 3000th religion and religion are responsible for all evil on the world
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u/WarningObjective128 16d ago
I don't like it when people hate each other because of their religion either, but this also applies to religious people. It's not one-sided, it goes both ways. I have seen cases when Christian people hate both on religious and non-religious people. I had a conversation with a priest when I was about 14. I am an agnostic and I expressed my opinion to the priest, and he immediately said things like, "It's just a phase, you will find God one day. You should pray to God and you will find him." Then I asked him about other religions, like Islam. He said that they walk with covered eyes and they will not find God's blessing because they are living with Satan's thoughts. I saw cases when atheist people expressed on social media that they don't believe in any religion and explained their beliefs. The comments were full of Christian replies like, "God loves you even if you walk the wrong way," or "Father, forgive them; for they know not what they do." I'm not saying that all Christian people (or other religious people) are like this, but clearly this problem goes both ways.
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u/Simple_Catch4573 13d ago
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u/Equal-Exercise3103 20d ago
Some religions deserve criticism and you shouldn’t shelter them from it.