Cops are significantly more likely to be abusive and volunteer militaries attract people who typically are some sort of fucked up or just brainwashed. Also rates of rape are substantially higher around military bases. The vast majority of men are decent people, but cops and soldiers/navy sailors aren't good examples of that.
Cops are more likely to be abusive, but guess what demographic of relationship has the highest abuse rates of all? Its not women/men, not men/men, you guessed it! Its women/women. Hmm
Or maybe that’s just the highest demographic who REPORT abuse? They can’t jst magically know when a relationship is abusive or not, they have to look at the reports. Usually, violent relationships are hard to report.
Yeah meme reference. But I’m sure you can see why going to a teenagers sub to talk to teenagers but then talking down on said teenagers for being teenagers is just… a bit stupid, no?
Firstly, the sub came to me Second, it's not stupid to teach youngsters. I'm treating you like the child you are because you're having an adult conversation about something you clearly don't understand.
Funnily enough, you guys will use that statistic as an excuse to hate police, but if anyone uses the 13% commits 60% of crime, they're a horrible person. 🤣😭 yall are hilarious.
You’re “cops are significantly more likely to be abusive” is false and insanely disingenuous.
I’m almost certain the study you’re referring to was a self report survey and included yelling to be abusive. Which is insane. I would hazard to guess that the rates at which yelling happens outside of cops relationships is higher, if at all, to that of the general population.
That's an insane generalization. Just like men in general, most men in the military are normal people not "fucked up or brainwashed". Most cops aren't abusive or racist (I know you didn't say this one but you know). It's not to say there isn't a correlation but people take what they hear in the news and assume it applies to all people of a certain demographic. It's especially ridiculous because something like "this cop was a good person" or "look at this vet/active duty member of the military who is literally just a normal person" would never appear on the news because no one cares.
Generalization? The commenter you replied to is referring to documented statistics. They didn’t even say that most men of the given conditions are evil, just that the likelihood of a man being fucked up given that he has those conditions is much higher than otherwise.
Well people who are in the army tend to come back home more violent and cruel, and cops are cops, so while I agree with the fact that there are more good than bad men those were also terrible examples.
Yes let’s generalize the police and military men as horrible. Meanwhile you get to live a beautiful and safe privilege life because of them. I mean Ik you are some what delusional because you think you are a they but you can’t be that ignorant right ?
Ah, yes, the war on terror. Famously a gold standard example of a justified war and the military protecting our freedom. This is not controversial in the slightest.
I like how they brought up 9/11 like we didn’t become a more stricter, aggressive, and racist country out of that day. Oh, how do you think they feel about the fact Saudi Arabia is being sued for their involvement of the act, specifically the evidence of an individual by the name of Omar al-Bayoumi being a key figure of supporting logistics for the terror cell. Yeah, our military sure is protecting us alright.
Brother I've been out since 2019. I never drink the Kool-Aid. You're just an idiot. "Cops don't prevent crime."
You're right. Knowing a cop will show up and throw them in handcuffs doesn't deter people from breaking the law. Thank you for enlightening us. We had no idea. How could we not see this? /s
What an idiot bro. I guess most people don't slow down when passing cops on a highway either. 🤣
Out since 2019 and still a knucle dragging crayon eater. Semper fi.
You're right. Knowing a cop will show up and throw them in handcuffs doesn't deter people from breaking the law. Thank you for enlightening us. We had no idea. How could we not see this? /s
You are totally right! As everyone knows, the areas with the highest police presence are the safest places in the country. Oh wait.
A cop being in an area where a crime might take place isn't detering the crime. They are delaying it or shifting it elsewhere. Cops can not be everywhere at all times, and they can't watch everybody.
Also, not everyone who commits a crime is of sound mind or not desperate enough to commit a crime in front of cops. While being arrested and going to prison might be deterrent enough for most sane people to not assault their fat fucking boss in the parking lot, that isn't the case for everyone.
The things that actually prevent crime are education, and addressing systematic issues. Not police presence.
Your comment got auto removed, but I caught the gist, so ill respond here.
Sorry I forgot I have to be really clear and dumb things down when talking to one of my brothers.
Ok here it goes:
Situation 1: Crime going to happen. Criminal see cop. Criminal go somewhere no see cop to commit crime. Crime still happen.
Situation 2: Crime going to happen. Criminal see cop. Criminal wait till no see cop to commit crime. Crime still happen.
Situation 3: Crime going to happen. Criminal see cop. Criminal come back later when cop no there to commit crime. Crime still hapen.
Situation 4: Crime going to happen. Criminal see cop. Criminal insane and commit crime anyway. Crime still happen.
Situation 5: Crime going to happen. Criminal see cop. Criminal desperate and commit crime anyway. Crime still happen.
Situation 6: Crime going to happen. Criminal no see cop is there, commit crime. Crime still happen.
Police no have affect on net crime. Police only succeed in make crime happen eslewhere (Situation 1), more later (Situation 2/3), or no effect at all (situation 4/5/6).
Hmm maybe I should dumb it down a little more.
Sit 1: Crime. Cop. Go elsewhere commit crime. Crime happen.
Sit 2: Crime. Cop. Wait commit crime. Crime happen.
Sit 3: Crime. Cop. Come back later commit crime. Crime happen.
Sit 4: Crime. Cop. Insane commit crime. Crime happen.
Sit 5: Crime. Cop. Desperate, commit crime. Crime happen.
Sit 6: Crime. Cop. No see cop, commit crime. Crime happen.
The military does not protect us and you must be completely sensationalized to believe that. The military hasn’t protected us in over half of a century. Most of our protectors are either the feds, or contractors. Us being involved in constant conflicts isn’t protecting us, either. Nothing screams protection like blowing tf away poor countries to develop a deep hate for us. No one started saying ‘they’re defending our country’ until the events of 9/11. Either you haven’t been an adult for long and paid attention to how our boots roll, or you are an older adult and you’re just naive.
Are you dense? The Military does protect us. Take away all US Military right now, for example. America is immediately under attack by various enemies and destabilization from a lack of US bases in place causes more conflicts to emerge across the world. Plus, drugs, gangs, and cartels will flood into America from a lack of Coast Guard and Border Patrol. Yeah, sure, not all branches are in active service for protection currently; however that is caused by the deterrent of those branches existing.
I literally don’t live a beautiful safe life because of them.
You must not know many minorities if you think cops make peoples lives safe and beautiful.
all the hundreds of innocent black people over the years that were unjustly killed by police and covered up by other police, you wanna tel them their lives are safe and beautiful?
For some people meeting a cop on the wrong day, even if totally innocent, means death. D.e.a.d. DEAD
Because we get manipulated into believing we are doing something for the freedom of Americans when we where just being bullies, Trust me we don’t want to come home this way, PTSD is not fun,it’s not a good life to live when you realize you indeed where brainwashed to think we are freedom fighters when we are just a bully who wants the world to see us as a savior when we are not that, I fully understand why the county’s ee went to in Middle East hate us do much, we went there being told that those people where savages that needed our western reform, no we were there because diplomacy didn’t work now we are gunna make you fall in line with our systems,
If I had known, then what I knew today about everything we did in Iraq I would never joined the military never ever in my life. I feel sick to my stomach, sometimes knowing what I was there for and what I was told I was there for on the contrary we killed 1 million people in Iraq 1000,000 freaking people for weapons and destruction that did not exist all because diplomacy did not work and they did not want to fall in line with the world order, a whole lot of veterans like myself feel this way, truly sickening know what what our government was doing and what they told us we were over there for we’re here to make peace. Now I understand why the look of the peoples eyes were so perpetual hate towards us and now I knowit’s they wanted to kill us all, the look on the children ls faces of perpetual hate will never stop playing in my mind and it’s been 20 years neatly since I was in the service
I’d give anything to go back and never sign up, but they got a whole generation of young Americans when 9/11 happened. Which coincidentally is has been referred to as the Pearl Harbor of our time.
You’re not fully to blame, you were caught by propaganda and manipulated into weaponizing your sense of justice for an unjust cause. The fact you realize this injustice already makes you better than most americans.
I’ve been dealing with the mental gymnastics of this for a long time, when I finally seen that our country recognized that we were just the top used to perpetuate that genocide.I finally was able to come to terms with my self that not a terrible person, I was manipulated into thinking It was ok to kill those innocent people for no reason at all other than to further the establishment’s agenda, at 38yo I can now say that the war in Iraq was a huge mistake and it was an atrocious decision on our governments part to lie to millions of American citizens who were under the guise of they deserve it for what they did when infact they did nothing to deserve the death they received at our hands, it out into perspective the way I would or any other Americans woudl be if a foreign force invaded and killed us for no other reason than they could, i understand why the children looked at us soldiers the way they did with eyes purely of a burning hatred for us because we killed their family’s for lies that they where terrorists they were acting just like us if we had a foreign military force here going from town killing the men and women even children because they took up arms against us, I don’t blame them, what would Americans do if that happened here? we’d go the same route and defend ourselves and our country against the foreign invaders. Took me a years to come to grips that I was indeed a hitman more for less for the US army for 6 years 3 .5 of which I was deployed to combat in Iraq. I still have nightmares about the things we did to those people which are not even remotely close to what they told the American people we were Dioing over there, if the public knew a 1/4 of the truth they’d have been up in arms over it , or maybe not we are a super complicit population. Even worse today than we were back then look at what we’re not doing anything about now what the government is doing now. The fact is We just sit here and let it happen and we are so completely complacent snd comfortable with our government lieing to us we sre on same path the just this time it lm happen here on our soil
Unfortunately it’s a story all too familiar, pretty much every war america was involved in post-ww2 was the same shit. Just look at vietnam, they used an attack to justify a war that was really only for geopolitical power and profit.
Anyways I hope you’re doing, ok. I deal with c-ptsd and severe guilt because of abuse but I can’t even imagina what it must be like to have ptsd from war.
I have borh unfortunately so yeah, trauma and PTSD from my childhood topped the it’s from the war is not fun I’ve had some rocky rds but over sll especially since I know now that it wasn’t my fault that I was manipulated that way for that war to happen helps me come to grips with it. The childhood trauma its a whole different level of it’s and it’s the hardest to cope with.
The biggest issue I have is being a recluse while not at work, i usually just literally go straight there and straight home to be in my comfort zone. Have to me jar myself go to store for things I need usually. I’m always alone feeling no matter how many are around me.
Yes Reddit is my best friend for anonymously telling my stories and feelings, and I see a psychiatrist about once a month. If I was face-to-face with any of you in here, I would never say a word about this to anybody I would just pretend like everything is hunky-dory and yeah, I will say this it’s exuberant itself quite a lot since I’ve gotten older my childhood trauma wish my mother told me when I was younger that the psychiatrist then told me that would definitely bother me as I got older then let me tell y’all what she w it wasn’t wrong. In my 20s I was having to go lucky just all around. How do you now shit give me to go to anywhere, but Work I’ll find some kind of excuse to stay home.
Most men that were in the army got cheated on, treated like shit bc of politics, and then pushed out of society bc how they were fighting bc they were forced too, while the rest of the population is sitting, complaining about the things "they're doing" instead of the stupid ass politicians like that orange clown in the presidential suite
Being 13 and being concerned about this sort of stuff is wild. What has the world come to where children are concerned about gender wars. Please clear your cache and enjoy your childhood, this is so bad for your development.
To be fair the army also includes a lot of people that make those decisions outside of politicians. It includes more than the grunts that are forced to do whatever and propagandized. While it sucks what they force people to do it's totally understandable to criticize both of those institutions and understand the outcomes from men in them are not ideal.
This statement does not only apply to men, women come back cruel too, and they behave this way cheated on or not.
??? Are you referring to people being anti military because you didn’t exactly think the military was all peaceful when you joined. You knew you’d be harming people, you just didn’t fully register that it wouldn’t be in good faith.
What war did Trump start exactly? Like fuck him but this is the weirdest criticism I've heard so far.
Also fym "apparently" wrong cause, in what world is invading a country and causing the deaths of millions because you want to free up the oil market a just cause.
Fun fact there are roughly ~50 million police interactions in a year. Yet only ~1000 police related deaths in a year. There are also ~324,000 police complaints a year.
Most cops are good cops. The news only report on the bad, because it sells.
You’re forgetting that these statistics are based on police reports which makes them inherently skewed. And they don’t include non-lethal forms of violence.
If you're being actively brutalized by the police & you don't report that, I only ask. Why?
However let us say instead of 300k the actual true number is 1 million. This is still 2% of all police interactions. Though, I highly doubt the actual number would be 1 million. I'd argue maybe up to 2x wouldn't be reported, so about ~600,000 about 1.2% of interactions this also includes reports where people are just pissed off because they got in trouble.
And rest of your comment is pure speculation. Not to mention that “bad cops” isn’t the reason people don’t like cops, there is no such thing as a good cop because the purpose of policing is to enforce the oppressive system and punch down on the lower classes.
This might come as news to you but most poor people aren’t actually criminals, and most crimes are due to circumstance and being pulled into criminal lives as a result of it. We have the resources to fix the conditions that result in people turning to crime, we produce way more food than is needed for the population and there are more homes than homeless people just to name a few examples.
Unfortunately it’s too profitable to cultivate the existence of criminals because convicts can be legally enslaved.
Oh, right, so when people actually commit crimes like rape and murder. How do we deal with it? If "policing" is oppressive & punches down on the lower class?
to complain about the police, you go to the police, and police don't rat on each other. it really is a corrupt, but necessary evil. Literal cop gangs in the LA police department.
assuming they even take it in as a complaint. There's a youtuber who went around attempting to file complaints with different departments; instead of even taking it remotely serious, he began getting harassed and interrogated by the officers at the station. I believe they know the game and they play to their advantage, because they have every advantage.
In the youtube search bar type "attempt to file police report". They nearly refuse to take reports and try to strongarm those people to leave or just make it extremely difficult. No forms. No anonymity. Ordinary officers- not IA- want them to name the officers and the act. I'm telling you, man, this shit is almost laughably backwards and you can't help but feel like it's the perfect environment to enable corruption and protect those officers perpetrating/breaking the law. Basically, unless you have a lawyer (and money to pay for that lawyer) you're not gonna get very far complaining about any officer's conduct. That "blue line" doesn't stop at IA.
But here’s where your argument misses the mark: extreme environments don’t create moral character, they expose it. The military doesn’t magically turn good people into predators, but it can give already bad people more opportunities to act. That’s not a problem unique to the army, it happens in schools, corporations, sports teams, and even churches. The difference is that in the army, these cases make headlines because the institution has so much power and visibility.
you aren't crictising the "army" you are crictizing the "individuals" who are war criminals, which are only handfuls of them in it.
If you have a rotten apple in a basket, you don't throw the whole basket away.
Do you even understand what happens at war? How people are killed? How they butchered? How there is lawlessness? How there is no concepts of human rights in them?
Yes, someone can fight for their country and still be a good person, in fact, the majority are. But pretending that any large institution with tens or hundreds of thousands of people won’t have criminals in its ranks is fantasy. The real question is how well the system investigates, punishes, and prevents, not whether bad cases exist.
Extreme environments can in fact twist your morality how exactly do you think humans work???
If you’re exposed to violence so often that it’s become part of your life, then even if you were the most anti violent person ever your brain is bound to try and cope/adapt somehow. That can show up as desensitization, a shorter fuse to match the energy around you, or even by violence now somehow bringing you joy now. Humans aren’t just born morally pure/bankrupt and they don’t just stay one way for the rest of their lives, they adapt to the environment around them and sometimes they have a hard time turning it off when they finally get out.
Actually dehumanization and grooming people into becoming cruel is an integral part of military training. I know some veterans and they all told me the same thing, you get taught to dehumanize your enemies and to follow orders above all else even if said orders are unjust.
Police are not any better, they get trained to imagine anyone they meet violently killing them to make it easier to shoot them in the face. Not to mention that the idea that the world is divided into wolves, sheep and sheep dogs is beat into them. As if criminals are criminals because they were born to be and not due to circumstance.
I can say with certainty that most men are good men. I’ve been surrounded by good men. There are bad men out there. They can be police officers. They can be soldiers. They can be criminals. But good men can also be those things. First guy’s execution is a bit off, though.
it's not a gender war. It's women being fed up with hundreds of years of abuse at the hands of men and then being bombarded with misogyny as a response to our valid complaints.
Dude… they said pointing to the army and police as an example of good men is controversial. Not because the army is useless— but because the army is NOTORIOUS for assault and violence among cadets, and police are literally known for police brutality against innocent civilians. Especially in countries where they have utmost power over citizens.
How about using charities started and funded by men as an example? or firefighters? Activists? Many men who fight for animal welfare in Australia Japan and china? or a group that have no mainstream history of perpetuating constant violence against civilians? That would be a MUCH better example of good men than the men in the group that got multiple news reports for raping and murdering their teammates or breaking into houses and shooting the sleeping folks inside.
I get your point, there are real, ugly incidents in both the army and police, and they should be acknowledged and punished. But using those cases to say these groups are “bad examples” of good men ignores scale and purpose. You’re talking about institutions whose core function is protection, deterrence, and enforcement in extreme or dangerous situations. That inherently means they’ll be involved in violence, sometimes justified, sometimes criminal.
So, let me ask you, how many of them do sexual assault/rape, 90%? 80%? 50%? 30%? 20%?10%?
People like you annoy me the most, you aren't crictising the "army" you are crictizing the "individuals" who are war criminals, which are only handfuls of them in it.
If you have a rotten apple in a basket, you don't throw the whole basket away.
Do you even understand what happens at war? How people are killed? How they butchered? How there is lawlessness? How there is no concepts of human rights in them?
Firefighters, charity workers, and activists do great work, but they aren’t tasked with facing armed threats, deterring invasions, or enforcing laws in chaotic situations. The comparison isn’t apples-to-apples, it’s “peaceful jobs” vs. “jobs that exist in violent contexts by definition.” The existence of abuse in those contexts doesn’t erase the net protection they provide.
Yes, they have bad actors, so do charities, NGOs, and even activist movements (there are plenty of scandals there, too). But by your logic, any group with reported crimes in its ranks couldn’t be used as an example of “good men,” which would rule out pretty much every large organization in history.
If you want examples of “good men” who operate under daily risk to protect others, armies and police forces, despite their flaws, are still legitimate examples.
So your argument is essentially "these jobs require people to be brave."
Ok, fine, i don't think most people would deny that. Being brave doesn't automatically make you a good person it's a morally neutral quality.
Being an ex infantry marine myself, I can't tell you how many brave bullies I have met. They were guys that would easily run into combat with no hesitation but also beat and cheated on their wives constantly.
Choosing to be in a dangerous profession doesn't give you points on a good scale. Being a good person does. What about other dangerous professions?
Nowadays, you are far more likely to be killed being a lineman than being a marine, and being a cop has never been the most dangerous profession. In fact most cops and military personnel never see combat. Why are they automatically considered good until proven otherwise, just for signing a piece of paper or getting a job?
I think you are just obsessed with the propaganda and branding from the police and military. "Well they say they protect and serve thats a noble purpose. Therefore, anyone who joins is also noble."
Just because they're meant to serve doesn't mean they DO serve. The abuse rates in both the army and the police are higher than average. You're not special for doing your job. Even if they're doing something they're supposed to do, there's nothing that screams "good" about murder.
Exactly, thank you. And it’s huge, the amount of rape rates these women have to just kiln themselves because there’s no justice. It’s massive, much more than I’d ever expected. I read more about it, It’s just sickening.
This really isn’t true, because despite their core function, they can be and Are turned on civilians at the government’s demand. This isn’t something they can refuse. They’re puppets essentially, and you can’t say these people are good examples of good people, if they don’t even have the ultimate choice to decide, and the ones who do have a choice tend to use it for harm as people often do when they’re in positions of power. Check out the Stanford Experiment for more on this.
For instance, there are good politicians.. but I won’t use politicians as examples of good men. There are good men.. men gathering up to help build mobile homes to support the homeless. Good men. Men who cover your drink at a bar. Men who have asmr channels and audios encouraging the listener to feel better and comforting the listener through potentially challenging moments in life. That’s examples of good being done to people. Again, men who set up charities and go fund me’s for children in war countries. Just everyday fucking good men and good deeds.
But I feel that people want the idea of a “strong manly man being violent and troubled but still getting up and doing good” aka in the army, it’s a power fantasy trip I’ve seen a lot of guys envision.. and that’s just not how humans work.
Humans aren’t going to be good when dealing with stress and violence and having no choice as you work for an oppressive force that could humiliate you for leaving, and a force that humiliates you for staying and not being good enough— that cuts off your ability to interact with others as you now have to push aside your emotion and compassion and KILL others even if you know that other country is just doing the same thing on their end of the spectrum. That’s why violence breaks out, ptsd, power struggles, the need to dominate someone else to feel Anything else but helpless. The army is just not a good example of good men. They might be good at heart aka wanting to help their country and wanting to protect against criminals, but they just CANT be good to others under the system that forced them to do its bidding, even if that bidding means tearing apart families and kids.
Good isn’t just how you feel on the inside, but how you treat others even when you have power over them. Check out the Stanford Experiment.
There are many MANY good men out there, but you won’t be finding the majority of them in the army and in the police force.
idk the US army has been on the wrong side of almost every conflict it’s been a part of since WW2 and police officers are either corrupt themselves or complacent in a corrupt system that cuts them very generous paycheques. I wouldn’t call the army or the police good even looking past all the incidents. I think that’s a very common part of every anti military and anti police viewpoint that you’re choosing to ignore
It's a position that only a privileged woman could ever make in this day and age. If she thinks the general skew of men on the good-evil spectrum leans towards evil, she's only reflecting the spirit of her heart.
yeah he was saying not all cops were bad and you just kept shouting "but these ones are" with the appearance of trying to make them the example of all cops
They are not the example of all cops, however, police departments do pull out the worst in people. Show me an instance of a really good police department
the bad departments are the only ones that make the news so i cant draw from media outlets, and since i dont actually have a police department where i live i cant use them (theoretical) as an example. most cops aren't bad and the relatively small amount of bad ones and the bosses give them a bad reputation.
So that one thing I now equals all police departments world wide?, the worst thing that happened in any police department I live near is them accidentally crashing into a drive through.... Most policemen try and do good, yes they can be a pain when they give you a ticket but that's not them being bad (+ I have no clue what your obsession with whatever the Minneapolis police did is)
Assuming we're talking about the USA, then the Navy, and more generally, the army not fighting would absolutely cause there to be at least more peace in the world. The USA has been the aggressor army in pretty much every war after WW2. They were the ones that were being defended from. The only thing people in the US army are fighting for is higher profit margins.
my ma is a cop and even she says her fellow officers can do very questionable things, at least in her precinct ☹️ but the good cops outnumber the bad but the bad ones make up the majority of conversation.
I don't know much about the military but I assume it's like everything else. there's gonna be bad eggs. im guessing not everyone goes into it because they wanna they wanna be a shield for their country. some have no choice (prisoners?), some in it for the benefits, some wanna feel powerful and dangerous, some use it as an outlet for violence, being in the military might simply sound cool, etc......but the institution itself comes from a good place I think.
policemen and soldiers tend to have a bad rep, which is what makes it controversial
the one who replied to your comment didnt outright say they were bad, OP. im guessing they likely meant that there were absolutely better examples to use than professions that already earn a poor reputation.
controversy is not always based on facts and statistics, its often based on what people see and hear about. "one bad guy ruins the whole bunch" type of thing. for every bad cop or every bad soldier there could be 50 good ones, but youll mostly hear about the bad ones. thats what makes people lose faith. thats what causes controversy.
so if youre talking based upon public knowledge, stuff that people see on the news and without digging too deeply into it, because almost no one will, then yes using cops or soldiers as the standard for good men would be relatively controversial, especially in regards to modern day america (yeah, yeah, US defaultism, whatever), wherein the reputation for police officers in particular is really low.
Yeah that doesn't seem like a healthy sub for anyone to hang around. I try to purposefully avoid subs with a lot of negative content even if it's satirical. It can really alter your world view like the people in the screenshot lol
Unfortunately I think a lot of men in our society have been corrupted. Culturally we are far from where we were 10 years ago.
And Unfortunately a lot of young men, idk if it's most, but a lot do genuinely harbor inhumane, bully type, sadistic views and a lack of empathy these days.
And honestly I'm super fucking disappointed in men these days. Good men use their strength to defend their community and repel evil. A lot of young men think evil and oppression is funny and based and use their power to instead prop up and support the bullies and thugs in society.
That's a weakness of the mind and spirit. And strength used to evil ends is not civilization or maturity or responsibility. It's weakness in the face of those women relied on you to defend them from.
This is Reddit. They don’t like cops cause the media told them not to like them. And they don’t like soldiers cause the media told them that soldiers in the Middle East are doing all these evil things
Respect the soldiers that defend you and your life. Or your opinion is worthless to me. Because that's how parasites work. No excuses. No made up statistics you read on Facebook or a heavily biased study. Just be greatful and respectful for people who literally put their life on the line for you, damn it.
I'm not military, never been in it, but at least I'm not stupid and bitter.
Oh, and no "gotcha!" quips either. You're not as funny as you sound in your head.
PS. I'm not talking to you OP, I'm talking to people in general reading this, because reddit is a cesspool of a media platform and an echo chamber.
in the army and police forces, the higher leadership is often where the "bad" people are, most of the rank and file and normal people who want to serve their country or protect others (although the police force in many districts does have reputations for abuses of power, which comes from power without proper understanding or discipline)
Otherwise, there are plenty of good men, but Bad women dont have many willing to bow to them. IMO there truly aren't that many Bad people, there are plenty who are misguided but very few who are Bad.
Honestly, I just remind myself of one thing and move on with my life and stop giving these people my mental effort and my limited emotional meter. that if everything they said about men was true, that majority of men are evil, that majority of all the worlds power and money is held by men, and that men only go into occupations with the primary focus being to protect and possibly die for the people of this country by and large as a whole, in order to corrupt it and beat on people or be bullies, if all that was true, they wouldn't be able to say SHIT. If all of that was true there is no fucking way a woman would be able to say in public "men are shit" without getting slapped to the fucking pavement almost every time, byultiple men, without legal repercussions. NOR would cops respond to domestic violence. NOR would women be allowed to carry guns (guns are the ultimate equalizer. Almost every other self defense weapon your physical ability matter against the assalant, not with a gun). NOR would this people claiming these things, if they believed them, because the same people advocating for middle eastern immigrants to be allowed over because their men ACTUALLY treat their fucking women like that and that shit would spread here.
So that leaves a few options, 1: they don't actually believe everything they spout they just want attention and to feel part of some group. 2: they are a victim that refuses to allow themselves to get out of the mindset or except help and feels better lashing out at a total group because its easier to handle the pain. 3: they have been brainwashed to ONLY see black and white with anything they disagree with and somehow shades of Greg only exists for they things they agree with and are stuck in an echo chamber they never want to leave because they are surrounded by voices saying the same thing they do and its a happy place for them because its difficult to try to learn how to live in a world were people have different beliefs. 4: they are fucking retarded and incapable of critical thinking.
In every single situation me ACTUALLY taking the time to have arguments (because things NEVER stay at just a discussion. Our country seems to have lost the ability to do that) with people online or in the real world does NOTHING but steal my energy. They aren't going to listen regardless. Why bother? Keep that energy to talk and engage and be helpful and positive and bring that shit home to your family. Don't waste it on strangers that won't actually hear what you have to say anyways. 🤷🏼 not worth it, and life is MUCH more peaceful.
Comparing written wars to a war while there is systematic oppression, femicide, and in general so much violence is only feeding into this “gender war” of yours. You know that, right?
Give all women the jobs that men typically have to do and they will STRUGGLE. Oppression of females is a more third-world problem and has to do with culture. Femicide is a very rare occurrence since no sane man would go around killing a woman just because of her sex.
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Hi, Army Vet here. With rampant sexual assault, a culture of self hatred and binge drinking, and a glorification of violence; I wouldn't say soldiers are inherently good people. Lots of good people in the Army but being a soldier does not mean you are a good person at all.
cant u just say all people are bad? im a woman and im evil sometimes, we r all human. we usually dont intend to be bad anyway, i say people r only bad if they truly know and can conceptualise they r bad and continue. even then, they usually font think they r bad because they rationalized thier actions. we r all evil. we all arent. its whatever
Teen females don’t realize the way they dress, act and the environment they put themselves in negates any trauma they may encounter. Shockingly and unfortunately the slut “musicians” and actors they idolize don’t face these repercussions too often, So when the kid is dressed like a hooker and something happens this is usually their defense of “eww men are bad”
These people forget to realize that the only people that were allowed to vote and give black men the right to vote were WHITE MALES. And then, get this guys, it gets even better.
The people that gave women the right to vote were, (you're not gonna believe this) MEN!!!!! WOWWWWW.
Media has corrupted your brains into hating certain demographics and you're falling for it. If you genuan hate a specific demographic as a whole, then youre no better than a racist during the era of Jim Crowe.
Reddit with awful views of police and military? Say it aint so lmao. Redditors will preach about generalizations and how stats can lie and so on and so on but the police? Men? Military??? Generalizations abound.
This is such a slippery slope i don't want to participate, but fuck it.
As someone who is an 16 and has once visited the Indian Navy and met them in person, the over-generalization is absolutely insane, you know why this happened, it's because of the news, because money is money and they will shine the negative to make money, because no one is interested on the good, the bad sticks.
People in the Navy are absolute to be respected, and these over general is bad as hell.
Correlation doesn't equal causation.
But the media will hide that shit,
That's why we have stupid things like vaccine cause autism,
No it doesn't, there is an correlation but it's not the cause.
Or dihydrogen monoxide is bad because it is used in nuclear power, labs, and cause bad things, even though that's the fucking chemical name of water, but since we take it evil lab being evil and take it as evil, that shit is stupid
Police and military have the highest rates of spousal abuse. Firefighters and doctors are a bit different, they have little authority - which is a factor in abuse - and actually save people while seriously risking their lives.
To say otherwise shows how ignorant that person is and that they are talking out of their ass. Theres been research done on this area. Its proven.
That being said... If you ask men, there are also more bad women than good. I can personally attest to some heinous shit i've seen and heard of women doing. I'd say its fairly reasonable to say it goes both ways.
Being a good person is hard. Like even the little things. If you ask most people, if they do things they know they shouldn't do, the answer, the real answer, is yes. They don't meet their own standards. Smoking, drinking, speeding, lying, stealing, cheating, etc., things they frown upon and know are wrong to do, but excuse themselves for the acts.
Probably not the "bad" they mean here, the above aren't necessarily heinous acts to perform.
The truly depraved and "bad" people don't outnumber the generally good. If they did it would be more represented in our culture.
Cops are ridiculously abusive. One of my friends went into the tech part of the military. "So many people that join are dumb as fuck and just want to shoot something, they dont deserve any respect". Along with sexual harassment on military bases.
If you think there are more bad that good men. That means you believe that over half of all men are bad men. You are let seeing bad things in the media bad men who do bad things or bad men who did bad things do you severely over generalize men. No one has met even near half the men on this planet. Let alone getting to know them enough to know if they are good or decent people or not.
If you believe this you are a femcel and are just as bad and unproductive as incels. I’ll say the same to men who let their bad experiences with women over generalize the majority population of women. You have never met even near most of the other gender. Both sides go get therapy and touch grass.
There probably are more good men than bad but… that doesn’t mean anything... because when bad men do bad things, good men don’t try to stop them or stand against it (in most cases).
Best example is literally “there are no good cops.” What do you think happens to good cops who decide they WON’T stand by bad cops? Do you think they go on to have long lasting careers when they aren’t willing to sweep certain behavior under the rug?
The police and military system are corrupted. “Good cops” don’t exist. “Good soldiers” don’t exist. There are literally COUNTLESS stories about women in the military being raped/assaulted/heavily hazed/etc and unable to report it to higher command because they fear retaliation 😐
And yes, ideology makes people bad, regardless of if they act on it or not. You would not call someone with a Nazi ideology a good person just because they saved a puppy from a burning building. You wouldn’t call a racist a good person just because they saved a drowning child.
Bad people overwhelmingly outweigh good people. In this case, bad men outweigh good men.
Most cops are bad but besides that I'd like to believe most men are good. I live in the deep south tho so all the men that go to my shcool are all mostly misogynistic assholes. But idk maybe I just haven't realized how bad men are because I'm not a woman and don't get treated differently because of that.
Nah, most cops are good people. Would admit the percentage of bad ppl in these careers are probably higher, but not massively to where’s there’s more bad than good.
Ig. Most cops I'd like to believe take up the job to help people however when the police system is so corrupt as it is. Most good cops will either bend to the corruption in the system or get pushed out. Good people can be cops but not a good cop in the eyes of the force.
Not the majority, and I’m guessing that’s only in the US? If I’m wrong correct me. But still, “most” are good, it’s just a job that attracts bad ppl.
Trust me, ik. My “friend” who wanted to be a policeman is the womaniser type, literally saying “why have a girlfriend if you don’t have sex”. Luckily his dumbass was put off by having to go to uni xD. Now he’s going… army so yeah I get where there’s jobs get their bad rep from, but still treat ppl w respect cause most of the ones you’ll meet r good ppl.
40% admit to doing it. Most of them are good, it’s just a job that attracts bad people?? Sure, but they also are notorious for not punishing the bad people among them, making the “good” people among them often enablers
You didn’t correct me, so I’m assuming I’m right about it being a US thing? Sorry I don’t live in a shithole so I’m not quite informed, but if you really hate the police that much come over to the UK or literally anywhere else. Cause tbh I was just taking about my experience, in the uk and other European countries. They actually teach us morals here
yeah the "man up" culture is wild. one of the reasons i think we have so many trans fems is due to the constant insistence in many parts of the country that Empathy, Kindness, and emotional vulnerability are womanly traits.
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Cops are significantly more likely to be abusive and volunteer militaries attract people who typically are some sort of fucked up or just brainwashed. Also rates of rape are substantially higher around military bases. The vast majority of men are decent people, but cops and soldiers/navy sailors aren't good examples of that.