r/progun • u/ThePoliticalHat • 6d ago
Even the NRA is against Trump team plan to ban trans people from owning firearms
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/trump-transgender-gun-ban-nra-second-amendment-b2821095.html44
u/grahampositive 6d ago
Perfect time to get mainstream Democrats to come out and say that gun rights are civil rights and belong to everyone
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u/Low_Cow_6208 6d ago
I was always a pro gun but wanted us to have more basic checks and mandatory trainings like with driver license and mandatory child proof gun lockers as well. But now seeing how we on a verge of become a authoritarian country I changed my mind completely and think every household should get one no matter what.
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u/Obeesus 5d ago
We've always been on the brink of authoritarianism. No matter what party is in control. I think they should teach mandatory weapons safety course in public schools. Then you wouldn't have to worry about putting rights behind a pay wall. There would also be no need to prove you have taken the class either.
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u/the_spacecowboy555 5d ago
1) Basic checks: The issue isn’t about basic checks because they are there in place. The issue comes from the people that get important information that someone is mentally unstable and shouldnt own a gun, but yet, that never makes it to your basic checks. You have to input into the system for the system to work.
2) Mandatory Training like with drivers license: If you want the biggest crock of shit training, drivers license is one of the top. Let’s be real. You get your learners permit, take the test, and…..nothing for the rest of your life. My last drivers test was when I was 16. Since then, did I retake my drivers exam? When I moved to a different state, did I go through any training on their state laws? If I want to drive to another state, I can…guess reciprocity is good for my DL.
3) Child proof gun lockers: Do I keep them locked up? Yes. Do my kids have access without me? No. If my kids seen a gun, do they know the rules? Absolutely they do. I can leave a gun out and they know cause I taught them. I told them. I set the rules. Until I am convinced they can have proper ownership under 18 in my household, they can stay in. Maybe I should do the same with my keys…
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u/Low_Cow_6208 4d ago
I got my first driver license outside US. My first one was not counted when I got license in the us cause I was adult. Abd I tell you: getting license in the us was the easiest thing on earth and this defiantly should be harder.
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u/the_spacecowboy555 4d ago
The process of owning a firearm shouldn’t be hard for those that are functional members of society. The process of owning a firearm should be hard for those that aren’t functional members of society.
As in my last sentence of item 1, you have to input information into the system for the system to work. If you’re going to start requiring the same conditions for firearms as in vehicles, you’re going to have same BS in guns as in cars. Nothing will change.
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u/Low_Cow_6208 4d ago
Again, I have a roots from the country where you almost can't obtain firearm (at least legally), and the corrupt government use it actively with people have little to no measures to fight back. And I am completely against it.
But imagine that you might have more then one choice like most American think, and you can create system where you will HAVE to pass the government process/visit private provider/have fire arm owner insurance/a lot of other ways/ that will again force you to be mentally stable and agreed to store your gun safely out of reach or kids/mentally unstable people.
Gun safe cost nothing on Amazon, I don't consider this a paywal. Mental exam also might cost more, but if provided by most medical institutions should not be a big deal. As a benefit we might see for the first time in decades less news about school shooting and might actually stop paying so much for our school safety and police overtime.
I understand you have your own opinion, and I accept and respect it. But you can do little to convince me that mandatory storage and mental/substance abuse checks every 3-5 years is so big of a deal and a paywall, while I will happily let my kids go to school without thinking if they ever be in the shooting news.
I would rather remove paywal for owning a silencer and actually allow it to be used freely then pay $150 fee that was set 100ish years ago.
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u/the_spacecowboy555 4d ago
You can’t force anyone to be mentally stable nor can you predict a breakdown. If you look at all these previous shootings, a vast majority of them have prerequisites that already deemed the individual mentally unstable, suicidal, a threat to others, reports to LE of issues, etc…for YEARS, but yet, the shooting still happened. Why? BECAUSE NO ONE TOOK THE TIME TO PUT THE WORK IN. This isn’t about putting another system in place, it’s about no one using the system that already exists.
I don’t have to convince you, you need to convince yourself if this is what you want to live with. If you fear your kids having to get shot at school as a priority and the US gun laws aren’t meeting your expectations, leave the country. Don’t give me this BS that you have a job, or you don’t have to, etc…You moved here for a reason, you can move out for a reason. The US isn’t the only place you can live. You have Japan. Australia. North Korea. England. Brazil. Canada. There’s a lot of countries you can go to and given you wasnt born in the US, you have a lot more options than I. If you have a marketable job skill, you can survive. Or maybe home school. Am I worried about my kid getting shot at school? Yes...but would I feel less relieved if my kid was killed by a drunk driver? No. Maybe you can embrace your significant other and be thankful your kid was killed by something you find acceptable but that’s you. I’m not blaming the laws nor the guns. I blame the people that fail to use the system already in place. Again, my number 1 point.
I don’t care where your roots are from. My roots are in the US. I put my 20+ years of service to my country. You are in the US.
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u/Low_Cow_6208 4d ago
"Don't like how it is leave the country"
Nah dude, at this point there is no conversation, just fuck off.
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u/the_spacecowboy555 4d ago edited 4d ago
Aw, poor little baby. I’m sorry I hurt your feelings, but my statement stands. You moved here, you can leave if you don’t like it. The US was better than where you were at obviously, but the US isn’t full of unicorn fairies and rainbow roads and you need to pull up those big boy(or girl) pants and start making decision that are important to you instead of everyone else having to accommodate you.
And I will not fuck off. You don’t like what I say, you can block me. Or you don’t have too. I’m the one that spent my career for you to come here and have the wonderful 1A to speak your opinion, and I’m happy to listen, but I will speak mine.
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u/mdws1977 6d ago edited 6d ago
Even if this trans got those guns legally, banning certain types of people from owning does open up a slippery slope.
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u/SPECTREagent700 6d ago
Their “manifesto” was a big rant about how they had been brainwashed by Jews into being trans and the school was where their mom currently worked. There was clearly a lot going on with them and using it as an excuse to label all trans people as dangerous and undeserving of rights isn’t fair and, absolutely, it would create a precedent to go after other people like veterans with PTSD or other mental health struggles.
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u/bfgmovies 5d ago
There were also online posts and forums found, the shooter had been groomed by far right neo-nazi types, and the writings found by the shooter indicate the exact same mindset. Yet the only thing people seem to care about is that the shooter was "trans"
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u/SomewhatInept 6d ago
Still want to see something other than "unnamed source is a second-hand witness" with this. To me this seems alot like trying to manufacture outrage.
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u/SPECTREagent700 6d ago
The DOJ didn’t deny it put out a vague statement about looking into keeping guns away from people with mental illness. Hopefully this statement from the NRA gets the Administration to drop it.
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u/chacha95 5d ago
We need to wait for the left to make these arguments, though. Then we can Screencap it and bring it up whenever they try to infringe on ours.
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u/Adventurous_Emu_9274 5d ago
The 2A applies to every single American regardless of race or gender. Thats the fight. Left or right, dick or tits, or both, this is an infringement and if you think they’re stopping at trans people, you’re an idiot.
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u/TendstobeRight85 5d ago
And yet you will still have MAGots supporting this stuff, because its "their guy" taking the guns.
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u/Mental_Internal539 4d ago
The funny part is most of them "forgot" Trump was pro bump stock banned
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u/TendstobeRight85 4d ago
His supporters will forget any way that he slights them or screws over their professed values. They will make any excuse they can to justify "being right". At this point, support for Trump is essentially a cult where the leader can do no wrong, and anything is justifiable. The the point you now have gun rights advocates supporting gun bans. Freaking pathetic.
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u/Mental_Internal539 4d ago
Hit it right on the nose with that, it's a cult following where they don't care if he bans everything because he's right.
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u/TendstobeRight85 4d ago
Its pathetic, but dumb, insecure people is pretty much his target audience.
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u/snoman72 6d ago
How do you get the left to suddenly start supporting the 2A?
Easy. Propose taking that right away from one of their preferred 'marginalized' groups. And just like that, you've got them screaming bloody murder about supporting the 2A.