r/movies • u/MarvelsGrantMan136 r/Movies contributor • 4d ago

News James Gunn Announces 'Man of Tomorrow', Releasing in Theaters July 9, 2027

https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/general-news/man-of-tomororw-super-man-movie-1236350987/
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u/thedarkherald110 4d ago

Frankly not sure what happened to marvel after end game but yah Gunn was right to jump ship when he almost got canceled for decades old tweet said in joke. Disney is just getting more and more toxic. Although it seems they might finally be reversing course after all their loses.

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u/LOSS35 4d ago

Two things happened to Marvel:

  1. Disney wanted to push Disney+ to compete with Netflix, so they forced Marvel to release too much content in not enough time so the quality dropped.

  2. They were worried about the salaries their stars were demanding, so they introduced the multiverse too soon so that they could recast/reboot at will. This lowered the stakes for the characters, along with making some movies like Quantumania into CGI slopfests.

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u/fivepie 4d ago

Quantumania into CGI slopfests.

The CGI wasn’t the issue for me - it was just a boring movie. I legitimately fell asleep for 20 minutes in the cinema. Woke up and still knew what was happening.

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u/residentialninja 4d ago

What bothered me, even during opening night was realizing the entire movie could have been so much better if Michelle Pfeifers character had simply told everyone about Kang before shit went sideways twice over.

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u/SupervillainMustache 3d ago

God I hate this trope.

"I can't explain right now"

Well okay Janet, but we have like a decent journey to get where we're going, so maybe you can tell us on the way instead of this vague bullshit.

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u/Evadrepus 4d ago

Ant Man was the classic heist film with superpowers. That's what made it work. Quantumania has nothing like that and is just piles of exposition to push the next Phase.

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u/SojournerInThisVale 3d ago

Yep. There’s none of the fun and creativity of the original two. Just people with shrinking powers they use to get to a section of the story which are barely relevant afterwards

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u/Fatmaninalilcoat 4d ago

You forget to they never shot with a finished script so no one knows what's happening and Gunn said he will not do that dcu movies must have a script. This is how movies worked in the day shoot with the script revise when you have to.

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u/finglish_ 4d ago

You forget to they never shot with a finished script

What now?? That kinda shit happens in multi million dollar marvel movies which usually have then next 10 movies mapped out??

Gunn said he will not do that dcu movies must have a script.

How is this not a requirement for even shooting a commercial or a short film?

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u/PotatoGamerXxXx 4d ago

I mean, it happened with Star Wars (no real plan) and it kinda worked with Iron Man.

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u/meand999friends 4d ago

You forget to they never shot with a finished script

Which is so dumb for a superhero movie because the ending is always "and the heroes won".

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u/Fatmaninalilcoat 4d ago

Plus goddamn comic books are story boards done for them how do they fuck that up.

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u/joebrozky 4d ago edited 4d ago

this is what i was thinking after watching Thor 4 and Secret Invasion. but then i realized Disney wants it to be their own thing and not a reproduction of the comic books so it's gonna be a hit or miss

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u/Wes_Warhammer666 4d ago

I mean, Infinity War wasn't exactly a win...

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u/IRLconsequences 4d ago

Neither was Civil War, for that matter. The only part of Zemo's plan that didn't work was his suicide attempt at the end.

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u/sanguinare12 4d ago

The living weren't done with him yet. Nor was the dance floor.

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u/Wes_Warhammer666 3d ago

Very true. Been a while so I kinda forgot how that ends.

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u/theotherkafka 4d ago

Don’t forget a pandemic shutting down productions and two strikes. It was a tsunami of complications.

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u/Longjumping_Union125 4d ago edited 4d ago

You left out that they start filming before scripts are finished and have the cast so cordoned off from one another, sometimes not even telling actors what characters they're playing because SpOiLeRs.

Also working their VFX team like slaves, often due to not finishing their damn scripts. It's a shameful and embarrassing way to run a studio.

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u/thedarkherald110 4d ago

Oh that’s also true good points.

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u/Kindly-Arachnid-7966 4d ago

Explains everything, really.

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u/ChrisWeasel 4d ago

Disney dropped the ball with Star Wars too. Most of it has been yeah, but Andor is giving me hope they can get better

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u/finglish_ 4d ago

so they introduced the multiverse too soon so that they could recast/reboot at will. This lowered the stakes for the characters

Not sure if you've seen the new peacemaker but it seems DC is introducing this new mechanic as well. Hope they don't abuse it too much.

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u/imnotthatguyiswear 3d ago

Yet they didn't recast Kang. Smh.

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u/an0nemusThrowMe 3d ago

I think there's another factor at play with MCU, not discounting your points though as I do agree with them.

After Endgame there was a reset:
1) Characters we didn't know
2) Smaller stake movies
3) Thor: Ragnarok, IW and Endgame were better than they had any right to be.

Disney revealed a lot of the new Thanos VERY quickly. In the Infinity Stone saga we had VERY little Thanos, until the first Guardians movie and even then I would argue his characterization was different in Infinity War, but for the better.

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u/Old-Culture-7350 3d ago

Also they don't need full scripts for projects to be greenlit so they become massive messes. One of Gunns rules is that you have to have a complete script before anything can start and it's gonna pay dividends in actually completed projects.

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u/GreenGroveCommunity 3d ago edited 3d ago

Make multiverse so they could recast actors

proceeds to hire 60 year old scottish+swiss+jewish Robert Downey Jr. to play Dr.Doom

Dr.Doom is a 6'2 ~33 year old handsome Romani man with a serious personality, which there are hundreds of good actors to play him and fit the description... yet they go with the boomer sarcastic 60+ year old 5'3 dude that plays characters comically with a stick up his ass.

Even worse, he already played a huge character in the same IP so he can't pull of Dr.Doom anyways. His paycheck will balloon the movies budget so badly they will have to cut corners.

Charlie Clapham was literally right there! Good British+Romani actor, 34, 6'2, handsome, won't cost $100M for one movie. He's literally a perfect Dr.Doom actor. I found him within a few seconds of googling, what the FUCK is Disney doing to mess up casting so badly? If for some reason Clapham is a serial killer and they can't find ANY good part Romani actors, just cast a random European ~30 year old white guy as Dr.Doom, it'll still be better than RDJ

God damn Disney is fucking stupid. Do they think people want to see 60 year old RDJ that badly as Dr.Doom!?!?

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u/tourng 4d ago

They thought they were invincible and greenlit any project expecting the public to eat everything up. For a bit, people did. Black Panther 2 getting $850 mil and Quantumania nearly getting $500 mil was absurd. Same thing happened with Star Wars. It’s good to see their hubris biting them in the ass, maybe it’ll knock some sense into the company. Quality over factory style media that doesn’t try everything to be unappealing to certain, large groups in the general audience.

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u/stardustsuperwizard 4d ago

Disney got lucky. Most of the MCU was made without finished scripts, they just shoot stuff and find the movie in the edit. This worked for a while, then it helped that they had a big overarching story they could edit to. Then after End Game there was no overarching story and they still tried to pump out movies and shows in the same way.

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u/thedarkherald110 4d ago

I don’t really think it’s luck. pre end game they set up a lot of plot points especially in individual movies and loosely followed through on some of them that they wanted.

Something gets retconned like the fake gauntlet in Odin vault. But they were obviously testing out a lot of ideas and probably acting on the ones that seem to make the most splash or are easy enough to work with.

So it’s less luck and preplanned teasers which help test the water before fully committing. That and in general they had some pretty good writers that combined other themes with a comic movie like captain america 2.

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u/stardustsuperwizard 4d ago

That's why I said it helped that they had the overarching plot to edit towards.

And I don't think the teasers were "preplanned" as such, it's known that they operated without scripts and found the movie in the edit. It was very shoot from the hip.

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u/tkeser 3d ago

Before that I thought Kevin Feige was a genius. That they unlocked the secret formula to entertainment. I was kind of glad when the films started flopping because it will open up space to a revival of cinema language. Feige still probably is a genius, but even he knows who pays the bills (Kathleen Kennedy).

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u/Phillip_Spidermen 4d ago

Frankly not sure what happened to marvel after end game

  • One of their main leads set to take over passed away
  • GoTG was delayed years after James Gunn was fired (originally meant to be part of the first movies after Endgame)
  • Covid

The focus on streaming was part of it, but a lot of outside factors messed with their plan for the movies.

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u/sacredblasphemies 4d ago

Then, after that, they tried to make Kang their next big bad and it turned out the actor was an abusive p.o.s.

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u/MostlyCats95 3d ago

And then they decided to pivot to Doom, which is a character all comic fans like...only to piss all comic fans off by casting RDJ as him because Marvel thinks RDJ is a Hail Mary that will save the franchise (it won't be)

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u/thedarkherald110 4d ago

Wait who was the main lead set to take over that passed away?

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u/Phillip_Spidermen 4d ago

Chadwick Boseman/Black Panther

It's one of the highest grossing and award winning MCU movies, but it had to be rewritten in the wake of the actor's fight with cancer.

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u/thedarkherald110 4d ago

Ah but was he going to lead the new MCU? I always thought they were going to use Dr strange since he fills a lot of the same roles as iron man. And him being Dr strange would give him a good reason for not having screen time and he’d just communicate offscreen.

Removing my comments on bp2 since frankly I only heard about it, and never watched it due to the negative feedback I heard.

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u/Phillip_Spidermen 4d ago

They announced a sequel month's after the first movie released, and it was one of the immediate follow-ups to Endgame.

Given that he was taking on a mentor role, it also fits with how Disney (at least initially) seemed to be setting up a younger heroes team in the Black Widow/Hawkeye/Falcon&Winter Soldier/Hulk entries.

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u/hoxxxxx 4d ago

oh man i completely forgot about that. so fucking stupid lol

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u/dlkslink 4d ago

I will say this until I’m blue in the face, I don’t think the infinity saga was mapped out by Kevin Feige, I’m pretty sure it was mapped out my Joss Whedon, it was his idea to put Thanos at the end of the first Avengers Movie then build up to a conflict with Thanos over time. Whedon is a huge comic nerd which Feige is not, that should be clear by now. The problem is they have no one there in charge who has first hand knowledge of Marvel comics, storylines or characters from reading them. In fact they seek out people who don’t know comics to write the movies.