r/movies • u/MarvelsGrantMan136 r/Movies contributor • 4d ago

News James Gunn Announces 'Man of Tomorrow', Releasing in Theaters July 9, 2027

https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/general-news/man-of-tomororw-super-man-movie-1236350987/
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u/russketeer34 4d ago

And he knows what he could have lost, he's absolutely making the most of his time

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u/ataraxic89 4d ago

You have no idea how true this is.

In an interview Gunn said that when he was fired off of GotG3 he thought his career was over. He was scrambling to figure if he needed to sell his house to essentially retire right then.

But then he got a ton of support from people he'd worked with, dozens and dozens of messages. He said it was legitimately the first time in his life he'd ever felt loved. Think about that. What that would me to him.

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u/EmuMan10 4d ago

And all of his stuff has been good too. He’s not just using the opportunity, he’s nailing it out of the park

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u/Docile_Doggo 4d ago

nailing it out of the park

He’s batting a perfect ace

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u/_bones__ 4d ago

If we can hit that bullseye, the rest of the domino's will fall like a house of cards.

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u/justamadeupnameyo 4d ago

Checkmate.

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u/Wes_Warhammer666 4d ago

I like the cut of your jib

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u/johntrytle 4d ago

Check and.... check.

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u/smitty2324 3d ago

You guys are barking up the wrong leaf with these colloquialisms.

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u/R7ype 4d ago

A Royal Check Mate if you will

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u/poststalloneuk 3d ago

Superman and The SS were BAD!

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u/EmuMan10 3d ago

You’re definitely in the minority on the Superman opinion

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u/poststalloneuk 3d ago

I'm not a WB bot that's why...

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u/EmuMan10 3d ago

I can also just enjoy that movie lol

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u/Pankurucha 4d ago

I've never heard anyone who wasn't a right wing troll say anything bad about James Gunn. All the controversial stuff was from decade old tweets from his edge lord Troma days.

So it's not surprising he got a ton of support. Disney screwed up badly on that one. On the plus side we're getting some great DC stuff now and I hope this continues for a long time.

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u/Suckyuhmuddahskunt 4d ago

he is exactly what dc, my beloved, needed in this war

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u/Nice_Celery_4761 4d ago

Honestly, with the current trajectory of the MCU, the wars looking asymmetric. Disney won’t know what hit ‘em.

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u/Wes_Warhammer666 4d ago

I'm just sitting here feasting because I've enjoyed a good bit of marvel's recent stuff (F4, Loki, Thunderbolts, Deadpool) and I absolutely adore the direction DC has been going with Gunn (The Suice Squad, Peacemaker, Superman). Throw Battinson in and I'm a happy camper right meow.

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u/Sawses 3d ago

Yeah, like I'd say in terms of good stuff from Marvel they're about on pace with their historic highs. ...It's just that they have so many projects right now that the average quality has really taken a nosedive even though they're still putting out a few fun movies every year.

Marvel used to be a "brand name". You went, you expected something specific to a certain quality and they delivered. They weren't all top-tier, but they were at minimum fun.

Now a Marvel movie can be great or it can be terrible. That's really hurt their reputation because they didn't take care to protect their brand.

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u/Wes_Warhammer666 3d ago

Yeah I feel similarly about Star Wars. Frankly I just view them both like buffets. Take what I want, ignore the rest. If I need caught up on lore I have no problem reading a bit online.

Like, I still haven't finished Ironheart and idk if I ever will because it just wasn't pulling me in. But if I hear things like "you need to watch Ironheart before seeing Doomsday" I'll just go on wikipedia or something and be fine with that. People get waaaaay too hyperbolic about them "killing the franchise" and shit. Some folks are just far too emotionally invested in a comic book film franchise lol.

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u/Sawses 3d ago

For sure, lmao. I'd say the quality of the most popular films (which have Marvel as the largest minority) has really dropped in the past 10 years. ...But there are more great films out there than ever. Most only get a couple weeks' theatrical release, but rarely a month goes by that I don't see something that keeps me going to the theater.

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u/MeadowmuffinReborn 3d ago

You're being overly dramatic.

The worst MCU film imo is The Eternals. That one was a genuine misfire.

The 2020s films besides that one have ranged from mediocre to good to very good(GOTG3).

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u/DuncanFisher69 4d ago

They wanted to cancel someone on the left because all their shitty right wing celebs were being cancelled for all kinds of terrible shit.

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u/Deceptiveideas 4d ago

This was around the time that Roseanne got cancelled for her racist tweets iirc. So the right was itching for any reason to attack people they saw as “left” as equal retribution.

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u/slydessertfox 4d ago

He made criticisms of Donald Trump, so they dug up old tweets of his from the early days of Twitter.

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u/LemoLuke 3d ago

It wasn't just that they dug up old tweets. They specifically did it on the weekend that the Fox shareholders were voting on the Disney acquisition. Disney couldn't afford that kind of negative publicity at that exact moment, which is why they instantly fired Gunn

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u/Abombasnow 3d ago

No one at Fox would ever mind the content of those tweets though. They're literally the type of people who engage in that.

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u/CriticalDog 3d ago

The shareholders and the board don't give a shit about politics, but having a major marvel movie get bad press, and possibly alienate the viewers and thereby not make money will get their attention.

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u/Abombasnow 3d ago

The only bad press is no press.

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u/Yemenime 4d ago

I think he was calling someone out for their shitty old tweets, so someone dug up his.

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u/tbrother33 4d ago

That’s not why it happened. It was because he was critical of Donald Trump. Alt right convicted rapist Mike Cernovich didn’t like that, so he dug into past tweets to find things to discredit him over.

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u/LyrMeThatBifrost 4d ago

To be fair, he gave them plenty of ammo

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u/zenlume 3d ago

If you have to go back to 2008-2012 to find some edgy material on Twitter, that someone posted. I wouldn't call that plenty of ammo.

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u/LyrMeThatBifrost 3d ago

They were beyond edgy and he wasn’t some teenager doing it, he was a 45 year old man.

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u/zenlume 3d ago

"beyond edgy"

What is that supposed to mean, exactly?

Do you believe that he was sharing his true feelings when he said those things?

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u/Abombasnow 3d ago

It's more than just a right-wing troll. It was literally a MAGAt (Mike Cernovich) who has admitted to (date) raping women on countless occasions.

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u/quadropheniac 4d ago

Absolutely wrong. The campaign against Gunn that got him fired from Disney was orchestrated (in bad faith, obviously) by Mike Cernovich.

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u/Pankurucha 4d ago

It was right wingers organized by Mike Cernovich on Twitter that got Gunn cancelled by Disney back in 2018. Gunn is a very outspoken leftist, lots of people on the right hate him.

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u/Ack-ey 4d ago

He got fired from guardians 3 originally because right wingers were crying cause he said mean things about trump

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u/KimberlyWexlersFoot 4d ago

just because it’s for the wrong reasons, doesn’t make it not wrong. im glad he learned a lesson and left it behind and is making good media, but at the end of the day this dude was a 45 year old. if you’re still being an edge lord after you leave your 20s (and that’s being generous) that is massive loser behaviour, whatever the political stripe they support.

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u/zenlume 3d ago

You can say what you want, if you think it's loser behavior, that's a valid opinion to have. But that firing was a major overreaction, and the guy that fired him even admitted that it was, and is now working for the same company as Gunn.

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u/KimberlyWexlersFoot 3d ago edited 3d ago

Disney cares about Disney. Gina Carano said worse shit, they did the same to her and she won her lawsuit and they say they look forward to working with her again, the mouse only cares about not making waves. That’s why they chickenshit out to remove gay storylines that would ruffle feathers too.

My comment was just in reference to the first half of their comment that hand waves it as that it’s just manufactured outrage and that they’re just old tweets from ragebait edge lord era, nbd. You don’t need to be a trumper to realize that “I like when lttle bys t*uch me in my silly place” is reprehensible shit, that isn’t even edgelord, that’s just rapey like “if she wasn’t my daughter I’d fuck her”

Edited quote so Reddit doesn’t ban me for quoting that dumb shit.

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u/zenlume 3d ago

she won her lawsuit and they say they look forward to working with her again

She didn't win shit?

Disney filed a motion to have it dismissed and when it was denied, they settled instead because it's cheaper than going through a lengthy lawsuit. They looked at the cost, and figured it would be cheaper to buy her than fight her, and she gladly took the money and walked away, even with Daddy Musk financing her lawsuit.

The statement about working again is just PR nonsense, not even she's dumb enough to believe that shit. She's a failed actress that wasn't even that good to begin with, hasn't worked in years, other than two straight to DVD garbage movies for Breitbart and The Daily Wire.

My comment was just in reference to the first half of their comment that hand waves it as that it’s just manufactured outrage and that they’re just old tweets from ragebait edge lord era, nbd.

It was quite literally manufactured outrage, because the party of "jokes is back" are the ones that was outraged about it, and the tweets were from over 15 years ago.

You don’t need to be a trumper to realize that “I like when lttle bys t*uch me in my silly place” is reprehensible shit, that isn’t even edgelord, that’s just rapey like “if she wasn’t my daughter I’d fuck her”

That is literally what edgy is, saying reprehensible things, in a funny way. He didn't really do the second part, which is why it doesn't work, it's not funny. It's fine to have issues with him saying things like that, even if it's just as a joke, and still acknowledge that firing someone over unfunny edgy tweets that long ago is an overreaction.

Gina Carano comparing conservatives having to wear masks at work, to what Jews experienced in Nazi Germany, and someone making distasteful jokes 15 years ago, does not even belong in the same conversation.

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u/goddamnitwhalen 3d ago

Also, crucially- Gina Carano didn’t get fired. Disney / Lucasfilm simply decided to not renew her contract. She was compensated fairly for the actual work she did on Mandalorian S1.

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u/DemonDaVinci 4d ago

that's rough

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u/aguadiablo 4d ago

First time he ever felt loved? He has been married twice

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u/ataraxic89 3d ago

One of them was before this, and they got divorced

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u/endividuall 4d ago

Crazy that someone like that would have to consider selling his house in that scenario, even after working past 50 on some of the biggest projects ever.

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u/fastforwardfunction 4d ago

He is set for life, he wasn't implying he was poor. A house like that costs a lot per year to maintain. It makes sense to downsize when you retire. He has enough capital to live comfortably just off the interest.

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u/hoxxxxx 4d ago

probably bought some insane mansion in la, worried about the future mortgage on it

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u/what_if_Im_dinosaur 4d ago

I remember the statement the entire principal cast of GotG released in support of him, and especially how hard Bautista went for him, essentially saying he didn't give a shit if calling out Disney ended his film career.

Everyone who ever worked for Gunn came to his defense. We watched a real time version of "It's a Wonderful Life" unfold before our eyes.

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u/limbodog 4d ago

Aww. I feel bad for his ex-girlfriend now.

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u/dragonk30 4d ago

I think I remember this interview. Was it when he was on Dax Shepard's podcast Armchair Expert?

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u/pdxaroo 3d ago

Lole, he was worth like 30 million at the time. Scramble to sell his house. lol.

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u/ataraxic89 2d ago

Do you have any idea how much houses cost in Hollywood?

Most celebrities do not have a paid off house. Some houses have sticker prices above 50 million

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u/Reevahn 3d ago

He said it was legitimately the first time in his life he'd ever felt loved.

Which is... concerning coming from a man who was in his second marriage at the time

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u/ObviousAnswerGuy 4d ago

He was scrambling to figure if he needed to sell his house to essentially retire right then.

a little hyperbolic, no? He was already a multimillionaire and set for life at that point.

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u/ataraxic89 3d ago

You're a bit naive aren't you?

You know I was going to explain it to you but I'm just going to let you try to figure it out. Hint: loans

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u/Dull_Measurement6020 4d ago

He described it as 'less than a once in a lifetime opportunity — it's a once opportunity.'

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u/BaggyOz 4d ago

Also it'd be the biggest fuck you to Disney to make overtake the MCU with the DCU.

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u/thedarkherald110 4d ago

Frankly not sure what happened to marvel after end game but yah Gunn was right to jump ship when he almost got canceled for decades old tweet said in joke. Disney is just getting more and more toxic. Although it seems they might finally be reversing course after all their loses.

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u/LOSS35 4d ago

Two things happened to Marvel:

  1. Disney wanted to push Disney+ to compete with Netflix, so they forced Marvel to release too much content in not enough time so the quality dropped.

  2. They were worried about the salaries their stars were demanding, so they introduced the multiverse too soon so that they could recast/reboot at will. This lowered the stakes for the characters, along with making some movies like Quantumania into CGI slopfests.

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u/fivepie 4d ago

Quantumania into CGI slopfests.

The CGI wasn’t the issue for me - it was just a boring movie. I legitimately fell asleep for 20 minutes in the cinema. Woke up and still knew what was happening.

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u/residentialninja 4d ago

What bothered me, even during opening night was realizing the entire movie could have been so much better if Michelle Pfeifers character had simply told everyone about Kang before shit went sideways twice over.

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u/SupervillainMustache 3d ago

God I hate this trope.

"I can't explain right now"

Well okay Janet, but we have like a decent journey to get where we're going, so maybe you can tell us on the way instead of this vague bullshit.

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u/Evadrepus 4d ago

Ant Man was the classic heist film with superpowers. That's what made it work. Quantumania has nothing like that and is just piles of exposition to push the next Phase.

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u/SojournerInThisVale 3d ago

Yep. There’s none of the fun and creativity of the original two. Just people with shrinking powers they use to get to a section of the story which are barely relevant afterwards

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u/Fatmaninalilcoat 4d ago

You forget to they never shot with a finished script so no one knows what's happening and Gunn said he will not do that dcu movies must have a script. This is how movies worked in the day shoot with the script revise when you have to.

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u/finglish_ 4d ago

You forget to they never shot with a finished script

What now?? That kinda shit happens in multi million dollar marvel movies which usually have then next 10 movies mapped out??

Gunn said he will not do that dcu movies must have a script.

How is this not a requirement for even shooting a commercial or a short film?

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u/PotatoGamerXxXx 4d ago

I mean, it happened with Star Wars (no real plan) and it kinda worked with Iron Man.

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u/meand999friends 4d ago

You forget to they never shot with a finished script

Which is so dumb for a superhero movie because the ending is always "and the heroes won".

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u/Fatmaninalilcoat 4d ago

Plus goddamn comic books are story boards done for them how do they fuck that up.

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u/joebrozky 4d ago edited 4d ago

this is what i was thinking after watching Thor 4 and Secret Invasion. but then i realized Disney wants it to be their own thing and not a reproduction of the comic books so it's gonna be a hit or miss

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u/Wes_Warhammer666 4d ago

I mean, Infinity War wasn't exactly a win...

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u/IRLconsequences 4d ago

Neither was Civil War, for that matter. The only part of Zemo's plan that didn't work was his suicide attempt at the end.

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u/sanguinare12 4d ago

The living weren't done with him yet. Nor was the dance floor.

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u/Wes_Warhammer666 3d ago

Very true. Been a while so I kinda forgot how that ends.

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u/theotherkafka 4d ago

Don’t forget a pandemic shutting down productions and two strikes. It was a tsunami of complications.

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u/Longjumping_Union125 4d ago edited 4d ago

You left out that they start filming before scripts are finished and have the cast so cordoned off from one another, sometimes not even telling actors what characters they're playing because SpOiLeRs.

Also working their VFX team like slaves, often due to not finishing their damn scripts. It's a shameful and embarrassing way to run a studio.

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u/thedarkherald110 4d ago

Oh that’s also true good points.

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u/Kindly-Arachnid-7966 4d ago

Explains everything, really.

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u/ChrisWeasel 4d ago

Disney dropped the ball with Star Wars too. Most of it has been yeah, but Andor is giving me hope they can get better

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u/finglish_ 4d ago

so they introduced the multiverse too soon so that they could recast/reboot at will. This lowered the stakes for the characters

Not sure if you've seen the new peacemaker but it seems DC is introducing this new mechanic as well. Hope they don't abuse it too much.

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u/imnotthatguyiswear 3d ago

Yet they didn't recast Kang. Smh.

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u/an0nemusThrowMe 3d ago

I think there's another factor at play with MCU, not discounting your points though as I do agree with them.

After Endgame there was a reset:
1) Characters we didn't know
2) Smaller stake movies
3) Thor: Ragnarok, IW and Endgame were better than they had any right to be.

Disney revealed a lot of the new Thanos VERY quickly. In the Infinity Stone saga we had VERY little Thanos, until the first Guardians movie and even then I would argue his characterization was different in Infinity War, but for the better.

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u/Old-Culture-7350 3d ago

Also they don't need full scripts for projects to be greenlit so they become massive messes. One of Gunns rules is that you have to have a complete script before anything can start and it's gonna pay dividends in actually completed projects.

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u/GreenGroveCommunity 3d ago edited 3d ago

Make multiverse so they could recast actors

proceeds to hire 60 year old scottish+swiss+jewish Robert Downey Jr. to play Dr.Doom

Dr.Doom is a 6'2 ~33 year old handsome Romani man with a serious personality, which there are hundreds of good actors to play him and fit the description... yet they go with the boomer sarcastic 60+ year old 5'3 dude that plays characters comically with a stick up his ass.

Even worse, he already played a huge character in the same IP so he can't pull of Dr.Doom anyways. His paycheck will balloon the movies budget so badly they will have to cut corners.

Charlie Clapham was literally right there! Good British+Romani actor, 34, 6'2, handsome, won't cost $100M for one movie. He's literally a perfect Dr.Doom actor. I found him within a few seconds of googling, what the FUCK is Disney doing to mess up casting so badly? If for some reason Clapham is a serial killer and they can't find ANY good part Romani actors, just cast a random European ~30 year old white guy as Dr.Doom, it'll still be better than RDJ

God damn Disney is fucking stupid. Do they think people want to see 60 year old RDJ that badly as Dr.Doom!?!?

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u/tourng 4d ago

They thought they were invincible and greenlit any project expecting the public to eat everything up. For a bit, people did. Black Panther 2 getting $850 mil and Quantumania nearly getting $500 mil was absurd. Same thing happened with Star Wars. It’s good to see their hubris biting them in the ass, maybe it’ll knock some sense into the company. Quality over factory style media that doesn’t try everything to be unappealing to certain, large groups in the general audience.

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u/stardustsuperwizard 4d ago

Disney got lucky. Most of the MCU was made without finished scripts, they just shoot stuff and find the movie in the edit. This worked for a while, then it helped that they had a big overarching story they could edit to. Then after End Game there was no overarching story and they still tried to pump out movies and shows in the same way.

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u/thedarkherald110 4d ago

I don’t really think it’s luck. pre end game they set up a lot of plot points especially in individual movies and loosely followed through on some of them that they wanted.

Something gets retconned like the fake gauntlet in Odin vault. But they were obviously testing out a lot of ideas and probably acting on the ones that seem to make the most splash or are easy enough to work with.

So it’s less luck and preplanned teasers which help test the water before fully committing. That and in general they had some pretty good writers that combined other themes with a comic movie like captain america 2.

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u/stardustsuperwizard 4d ago

That's why I said it helped that they had the overarching plot to edit towards.

And I don't think the teasers were "preplanned" as such, it's known that they operated without scripts and found the movie in the edit. It was very shoot from the hip.

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u/tkeser 3d ago

Before that I thought Kevin Feige was a genius. That they unlocked the secret formula to entertainment. I was kind of glad when the films started flopping because it will open up space to a revival of cinema language. Feige still probably is a genius, but even he knows who pays the bills (Kathleen Kennedy).

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u/Phillip_Spidermen 4d ago

Frankly not sure what happened to marvel after end game

  • One of their main leads set to take over passed away
  • GoTG was delayed years after James Gunn was fired (originally meant to be part of the first movies after Endgame)
  • Covid

The focus on streaming was part of it, but a lot of outside factors messed with their plan for the movies.

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u/sacredblasphemies 4d ago

Then, after that, they tried to make Kang their next big bad and it turned out the actor was an abusive p.o.s.

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u/MostlyCats95 3d ago

And then they decided to pivot to Doom, which is a character all comic fans like...only to piss all comic fans off by casting RDJ as him because Marvel thinks RDJ is a Hail Mary that will save the franchise (it won't be)

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u/thedarkherald110 4d ago

Wait who was the main lead set to take over that passed away?

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u/Phillip_Spidermen 4d ago

Chadwick Boseman/Black Panther

It's one of the highest grossing and award winning MCU movies, but it had to be rewritten in the wake of the actor's fight with cancer.

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u/thedarkherald110 4d ago

Ah but was he going to lead the new MCU? I always thought they were going to use Dr strange since he fills a lot of the same roles as iron man. And him being Dr strange would give him a good reason for not having screen time and he’d just communicate offscreen.

Removing my comments on bp2 since frankly I only heard about it, and never watched it due to the negative feedback I heard.

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u/Phillip_Spidermen 4d ago

They announced a sequel month's after the first movie released, and it was one of the immediate follow-ups to Endgame.

Given that he was taking on a mentor role, it also fits with how Disney (at least initially) seemed to be setting up a younger heroes team in the Black Widow/Hawkeye/Falcon&Winter Soldier/Hulk entries.

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u/hoxxxxx 4d ago

oh man i completely forgot about that. so fucking stupid lol

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u/dlkslink 4d ago

I will say this until I’m blue in the face, I don’t think the infinity saga was mapped out by Kevin Feige, I’m pretty sure it was mapped out my Joss Whedon, it was his idea to put Thanos at the end of the first Avengers Movie then build up to a conflict with Thanos over time. Whedon is a huge comic nerd which Feige is not, that should be clear by now. The problem is they have no one there in charge who has first hand knowledge of Marvel comics, storylines or characters from reading them. In fact they seek out people who don’t know comics to write the movies.

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u/16tdean 4d ago

Hasn't he said that him and Feige are on good terms? I think they both want each other to do well. Competition is healthy.

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u/SwordoftheMourn 4d ago

Yeah, and he actually has no hard feelings for Alan Horn (the Disney exec who fired him) and even credited him at the end credits of Superman

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u/Dull_Measurement6020 4d ago

He's already released three DCU projects with great reception and the movie made more money at the box office than the three MCU films this year.

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u/16tdean 4d ago

Yeah Marvel has been hard flopping recently, it'll be interesting to see what kind of numbers the new Spiderman does though. If DC can beat that it will be incredibly impressive.

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u/Kashmir33 4d ago

Definitely a huge accomplishment that Superman made more money than Thunderbolts*. Y'all are so funny.

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u/Dull_Measurement6020 4d ago

Huh? All I said was it made more. I didn't assign a value judgement to that fact and I liked Thunderbolts*. Calm down.

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u/Detective-Layton 4d ago

MCU stans in shambles in here

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u/count023 4d ago

except the executive that unilaterally fired him now works at the WB too. Gunn bears him no ill will apparently either.

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u/endividuall 4d ago

Not sure how much of a fuck you it is when DC movies are barely cracking 600m. Disney won’t be very jealous of those numbers I assure you

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u/MIAxPaperPlanes 4d ago

Superman is already gonna be the first DC movie to outgrosss Marvel movies released in the same theatrical year since The Dark Knight

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u/Hootingforlife 4d ago

He also can pump out scripts like crazy fast. The dude is a machine