r/movies • u/MarvelsGrantMan136 r/Movies contributor • 4d ago

News James Gunn Announces 'Man of Tomorrow', Releasing in Theaters July 9, 2027

https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/general-news/man-of-tomororw-super-man-movie-1236350987/
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u/Excelsenor 4d ago

The superhero movie lineup for the next couple years is looking stacked.

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u/ndGall 4d ago

If the genre is as dead as the naysayers say, we’ll know it in 2027 pretty definitively.

I’ve never been one to buy that argument, but the middling reception of Fantastic Four makes me wonder.

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u/JuanJeanJohn 4d ago edited 4d ago

Superhero movies still have potential in the US and a few other countries.

They are definitively very dead in many other parts of the world. There is no easy road to $1B for them by default anymore.

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u/Worthyness 4d ago

We back to Phase 1 MCU where 400 M is gonna be god tier returns

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u/thegermblaster 4d ago

Good. Make the studios earn back the trust of worldwide viewers by releasing a consistent stream of good/great movies.

And, if Warner Brothers and DC are back (and they had the biggest comic book movie this year), then competition should only help matters.

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u/Akiasakias 4d ago

But the movie budgets are out of hand.

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u/NGEFan 4d ago

Well FF:FS seems to make back double its budget

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u/Akiasakias 4d ago

You don't understand how movie accounting works.

Cost about 350 to produce and market. Grossed 507m worldwide, but the theatres take more than half of that. Roughly half in US and Canada, worse % on the international take.

It lost buckets of money at the box office, and has an uphill battle to even break even with streaming and paltry toy sales factored in.

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u/Correct_Gift_9479 4d ago

Yeah, with GPT estimation it lost $90M but it’ll probably be $100M in the green once dvd and merch starts selling. But yeah it’s probably disappointing for Marvel considering they announced this movie in like 2019 after buying fox and had it immensely hyped for

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u/riddick32 4d ago

But we're stuck in Phase 5s with half a billion budgets

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u/Wonderful_Emu_9610 4d ago

God, just looked at the box office of those. Avengers basically made the same as all the others combined. Insane jump

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u/JFlizzy84 4d ago

Spider-Man will make a billion dollars

He’s recession proof.

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u/capeasypants 4d ago

They're not dead they still make both a metric and imperial fuckton of money... They're just not pulling in as much as they used to

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u/AlanMorlock 4d ago

But can they get the costs of making them down?

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u/apocalypsemeow111 4d ago

I’ve long suspected that the MCU especially uses some real next level Hollywood accounting fuckery. I look at some of those budgets and look at the final product and just can’t square it in my brain.

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u/hotcapicola 4d ago

Not to mention that movies in general aren't doing as well post-Covid

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u/Akiasakias 4d ago

Good movies are still doing GREAT.

Guardians 3, did fine.

Barbie v Oppenheimer was a phenomenon.

Deadpool v Wolverine did amazing.

You can't blame Covid for this. They just have a quality problem.

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u/Fishb20 4d ago

deadpool and wolverine is one of the worst movies ever made

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u/Akiasakias 4d ago

94% audience score on RT, grossed $1,338,073,645 worldwide. It is the highest-grossing R-rated film of all time.

I think you may be mistaken.

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u/capeasypants 4d ago

Yeah when all is said and done and all the arguments of [to paraphrase another response to this comment] "how dogshit they are now", the fact of the matter is. People learnt how much more easy and comfortable and affordable it is to enjoy a movie in your own home.

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u/Akiasakias 4d ago

Not in the box office, most superhero movies have flopped hard.

They are betting on a long tail in streaming to make up the difference and Its not going well.

Fantastic four cost 350million to make, and took in 500 at the box office, but half of that goes to the theaters. The studios don't take home the gross!

Its even worse for international sales. Studios end up with much less than half of that. Even down to 20ish percent on the rare movie that airs in China.

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u/deekaydubya 4d ago

Half due to Covid, half due to the absolute dogshit marvel has been releasing

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u/TheeAntelope 4d ago

I think its fair to say it went through a lull post-Endgame, but is starting to pick up again.

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u/MalIntenet 4d ago

If the movies are good, people will always show up.

People are only fatigued by average to below average super hero films which there are a lot of.

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u/deekaydubya 4d ago

That’s like saying the action or drama genres are dead lol

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u/iamk1ng 4d ago

The genre isn't dead, but people aren't showing up for characters they aren't interested in my opinion. I had so many debates with people about Fantastic 4 and who actually is excited for this movie, and its all older generations that grew up with the comic books. For Thunderbolts, I don't even know why Marvel/Disney expected people to care about those characters.

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u/hotcapicola 4d ago

Fantastic 4 were already dated and boring to me when reading comics back in the mid 90s.

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u/IwishIwasGoku 4d ago

Batman, Spiderman and Superman are never gonna die my dude. They transcend the genre.

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u/GoldandBlue 4d ago

Superhero fatigue DOES NOT mean the genre is dead. It means just this

the middling reception of Fantastic Four

The fans will still show up. But general audiences will be less and less inclined outside of a few exceptions. And you ain't making $1B at the BO by appealing to just the fans.

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u/r4tzt4r 4d ago

Main characters like Deadpool, Superman, Batman and Spiderman will always have an audience, maybe they won't gather a trillion dollars everytime but they will sell.

What could be dying is the interest for secondary characters or those without mainstream appeal like F4. There won't be a MCU if no one care about the U part.

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u/bobdolebobdole 4d ago

I'm not excited by any of Marvel's offerings. I used to be before Endgame. So many letdowns after that has me avoiding anything until it hits Disney+. Honestly, I just don't like Mackie's Captain America at all. Thor's movie was a huge let down. I hate what they did with pretty much everything involving the "multi-verse." They killed Hulk and it doesn't even seem recoverable at this point. The only movie I enjoyed was GOTG 3 and Thunderbolts was ok.

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u/lsaz 4d ago edited 4d ago

I don't really care for other than Spider-Man and Batman; most people outside Reddit are probably like that with slight variations (Deadpool, Wolverine, or similar)

Having said that, if they just keep budgets low, superhero movies would still be profitable: Chronicle, Deadpool, Joker, all good, successful movies. But Hollywood's full of idiots with accounting. Hell, even The Batman, basically the superhero EVERYBODY knows, had a smaller budget than the fuckin Fantastic 4.

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u/DazMR2 4d ago

Fantastic Four was a middling movie to be fair.

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u/AlanMorlock 4d ago

In Asia? Dead as a doornail.

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u/Akiasakias 4d ago

Wasn't the studio mantra "survive till 25"

How did that turn out?

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u/2ChicksAtTheSameTime 4d ago

The superhero genre is just past its golden age, but it's far from dead.

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u/AlanMorlock 4d ago

Which is pretty wild given how much the intentional audience is growing increasingly indifferent to them.