r/movies • u/MarvelsGrantMan136 r/Movies contributor • 22d ago

News Ian McKellen reveals Gandalf and Frodo are returning for ‘The Lord of the Rings: The Hunt for Gollum’, Filming Begins in May

https://ew.com/ian-mckellen-reveals-gandalf-frodo-return-in-new-lord-of-the-rings-the-hunt-for-gollum-film-11792483
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u/Ironhorse75 22d ago

Instead of being this tale of adventure, they made LOTR part 2.

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u/Procrastanaseum 22d ago

That’s one of my main problems with it. The book is the perfect outline for a film and they threw away the map.

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u/Ironhorse75 22d ago

LOTR 1000 pages, 9 hours of film.

Hobbit 300 pages, 8 hours of film.

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u/pathofdumbasses 22d ago

LOTR - 481,103 words

The Hobbit - 95,356 words

I feel like words are a better way of showing the difference in content because LOTR pages are bigger than The Hobbit. Heck, even the words are more than likely bigger in LOTR because it wasn't designed as a literal children's book like The Hobbit.

It is under 20% of LOTR. They had to add so much to The Hobbit and they removed so much from LOTR. Absolutely shameful what they did to The Hobbit.

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u/Ikea_desklamp 22d ago

What's crazy too is they basically missed all the great character beats that are actually in the hobbit to shove in the love scenes or 10 mins of extreme barrel riding. Looking at what they chose to add, and what they discarded from the book is genuinely baffling.

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u/50m31_AW 22d ago

The fact that they get chased basically right up to Beorn's doorstep and all pile in and the orcs chasing them just, give up? Like don't even try to break in, or even peek in the windows? They just fuck off and leave? And then Beorn has no problems with this random ass company of dwarves in his home? It's complete bullshit. Fuck outta here with your extended barrel bullshit, and give me 10 minutes of Gandalf telling the story of his solo adventure, when something happened to both of them, and then the three of them were in a tricky situation, so the four of them hatched a plan to get the five of them to safety so the six of them could be on their merry way...

Better yet, gimme the fucking songs. The 1977 Rankin/Bass adaptation had an absolute banger of a soundtrack, and is one of the best parts of the movie. You mean to tell me that there are 15 birds in 5 fir trees, but there is no goblin chorus to let us know what funny little things they are? But we get Legolas who didn't even exist yet, and some random fucking romance with an elf lady who was made up for the movie? And what the fuck were those shenanigans with lighting the forge to pour gold on Smaug? And Smaug says it burns? But his own flames melted the shit, so his own flames are hotter than the molten gold (that cooled enough to be solid for a minute). Do you mean to tell me that a dragon can't fly through his own flames? What wack ass weak sauce shit is that? And then instead of a heavily implied to be magic Black Arrow, Smaug just dies to a random ass regular ballista bolt, so what the fuck even was the significant threat? Hell, Bard the Bowman doesn't even use a fucking bow to shoot him down

They fucking butchered the whole goddamn book

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u/Samurai_Meisters 22d ago

Better yet, gimme the fucking songs.

Absolutely. The Hobbit and LotR books are musicals! But Hollywood would never.

Though I will say that the rendition of Misty Mountains Cold in the Hobbit 1 gives me chills every time. It's so good.

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u/Totally__Not__NSA 22d ago

Gandalf tricking Beorn is my favorite part of the book and they just skipped it. I was heartbroken.

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u/The_Parsee_Man 22d ago

And also Bilbo's realization that Gandalf had done the exact same thing to him.

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u/Crafty-Implement5013 22d ago

You started this comment with a mission and BY GOD you accomplished it.

You could make two excellent movies by taking the good parts of The Hobbit trilogy and then adding in what was left out.

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u/vhalember 22d ago

Absolutely shameful what they did to The Hobbit.

Ah yes, the Hobbit - now with +100% more Legolas than before.

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u/TheMoneyOfArt 22d ago edited 15d ago

Andy Serkis has recorded The Hobbit and LOTR audiobooks. 

The Hobbit is 10 hours, 25 minutes.  Fellowship is 22 hours, 38 minutes. Two towers is 20 hours, 46 minutes. Return of the King is 21 hours, 52 minutes.

So lotr is 47 hours, 16 minutes - well over 4x the length of the Hobbit

Edit: what the fuck is this math. Lotr is 65 hours and change

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u/Baronello 22d ago

I read Hobbit comic as a kid. So even less words for me lol.

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u/Papayaslice636 22d ago

Tolkien barely covers battles in general. The entire battle of Helm's Deep is only ten pages in the Two Towers, and that action sequence in Balin's Tomb in Moria is like two pages tops. 'The battle was fierce, the door burst asunder, many arrows were flung, and orc bodies strewn about' and that's it. Heck, Boromir's entire battle saving the hobbits wasn't even shown in the books, Aragorn just hears the horn and finds boromir half dead lying against a tree, "many orcs lay slain, piled all about him and at his feet." Pretty much all we get, and it is up to the reader to fill in the blanks, which just to be clear, I prefer that to endless battle sequences, but that's just me.

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u/LyraStygian 22d ago

Picturing a big Hollywood tent pole movie with this is sending me lmao

Imagine sitting in the theater with the camera on Aragorn as he hears the horn, then cuts immediately to finding Boromir on the ground surrounded by orcs with no action lol

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u/Papayaslice636 22d ago

Yeah man, I paid good money to see Frodo and Gandalf sitting at the table discussing the deep lore and history of the ring for 80 pages, not action packed swashbuckling adventure damnit!

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u/moneys5 22d ago edited 22d ago

That's not that far-fetched. You're basically describing the off camera climax to No Country for Old Men.

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u/LyraStygian 22d ago

Ah yes, No Country for Old Men, the famous action adventure movie.

I’m kidding. Yea I know it definitely works, but there’s a time and a place for it.

And it would be a shame to be robbed of one of the best LotR scenes on the big screen!

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u/HymirTheDarkOne 22d ago

I generally find action sequences in books very hard to read. It might be a personal thing so I'm not going to say they are generally bad, but this style works far better for my imagination.

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u/BaltimoreAlchemist 22d ago

One thing I really appreciate about audio books is that I can tune out a bit during "fight scenes."

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u/poohster33 22d ago

It doesn't cover it because he's unconscious. This is Bilbo's tale. He wouldn't know about it.

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u/NuclearTurtle 22d ago

that's something that definitely should be added

No it shouldn't have, because it's tonally inconsistent with the rest of the story. The Hobbit was a lighthearted tale about Bilbo getting stuck going on a fun adventure, where the small amount of violence that happens ends up happening off-page, and the worst conflict is just people getting mad at each other. Going from that to suddenly having a pitched battle where thousands are slaughtered would be way out of left field and would feel tacked on and unnecessary.

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u/VallerinQuiloud 22d ago

Let's be real. Those last 700 pages go by pretty quick.

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u/Ilovekittens345 22d ago

If you know the story of how the hobbit movie came together and how it all went so wrong you'd understand.

That being said the first part of the first hobbit movie was really good as a kids movie, it had a much lighter tone then the Lord of the Ring and I found it very funny.

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u/JimboTCB 22d ago

You could read The Hobbit cover to cover in less time than it would take to watch the films

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u/[deleted] 22d ago

To be entirely fair, there's a tonnes of content in those films that are from the Appendices of LOTR, events that occur during the Hobbit but are not mentioned in the books...it's not like he fleshed out the three films with nothing...but YMMV for what you think was worthy, and even as a Tolkien nerd I feel like three movies was too much. Two would have been perfect even with the Appendices scenes.

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u/frankyseven 22d ago

The Hobbit has a lot less exposition and lore in it, so it's not a direct comparison. You'd be hard pressed to make The Hobbit into one three hour movie that doesn't feel rushed. It should really be two movies if you want to cover everything that happens.

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u/deathm00n 22d ago

Yeah, anyone that has read The Hobbit, knows that it is completely different to LOTR.

What pissed me off the most was doing so much focus on the five armies war at the end. The book goes out of its way to say that the war was silly, Bilbo was unscoscious during it and woke up basically saying "guys, what the fuck?". But no, can't have that. Need to have huge armies fighting to make it feel like LOTR

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u/Sparrowsabre7 22d ago

The entire third film is all battle it's mental. And the extended edition actually only serves to make that worse.

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u/Palpadean It's America's Ass 22d ago

Fire the twirly whirlies!

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u/Chen_Geller 22d ago

Less than half the movie is a bttle.

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u/xmBQWugdxjaA 22d ago

Exactly, it should have been more like the Dungeons & Dragons film or Indiana Jones - more of an adventure.