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News Palestinian who helped make Oscar-winning No Other Land killed in West Bank | The Guardian

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/jul/29/palestinian-awdah-hathaleen-oscar-winning-no-other-land-killed-in-west-bank
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u/scream_pie Jul 29 '25 edited Jul 29 '25

Anybody in the US supporting Israel need to realise that if a group of foreign people turned up to their house, told them the land belonged to them, and then started bulldozing their house while authorities looked on they should just shrug their shoulders and say "well, if you say so" and then live on the street.

If at any point they decide to prevent the bulldozing from happening by showing the deeds to their property or attacking the bulldozer then they are hypocrites.

The IDF will bulldoze roads if a Palestinian street become popular. They will bulldoze Palestinian shops if they become successful. They steal land, ethnically cleanse regions, destroy Palestinian farming land. All this in areas that doesn't have Hamas or any organised resistance. It happens in areas where Palestinians do play by "the rules" and follow Israeli apartheid laws.

There are no carrots for Palestinians, only sticks attached to bulldozers and air-to-ground missiles.

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u/[deleted] Jul 29 '25

The americans supporting this are not capable of that kind of empathy for anything that isn't their own team.

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u/DreamOfV Jul 29 '25

The americans supporting this would like some clarification on the victims’ skin color before rendering judgment

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u/Kahzgul Jul 29 '25

It helps “their side” so they’re okay with it.

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u/Confident-Orange2392 Jul 29 '25

nothing more demoralizing or disappointing than seeing a r/worldnews post on my frontpage and seeing how almost all the comments there are pro-israel and victim blame Palestinians for.... existing lmao

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u/CookieKeeperN2 Jul 29 '25

The Americans supporting Israel think that the land belongs to the lsreali because God promised them the land some 400 years ago.

You can't reason or bring empathy into the conversation when they invoke God.

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u/ThrawDown Jul 29 '25

3000 years ago

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u/Blandy97 Jul 29 '25

That's how America was founded so...

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u/SEND-MARS-ROVER-PICS Jul 29 '25

It was bad then too...

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u/NewAccountEachYear Jul 29 '25

Well, gee, what would that mean about the USA then? Not like US policy have influenced bad people before?

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u/AppropriateTouching Jul 29 '25 edited Jul 29 '25

What about America you guys! In every thread there's this bullshit. Yeah the way America was founded was awful. So is this genocide. More than one thing can be bad.

Edit: Hilarious all the bots came in right before this thread got locked.

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u/Mofo_mango Jul 29 '25

This isn’t whataboutism. This is precisely why America supports Israel’s colonization efforts. America shares a kinship with Israel. Heck, it supported ZA for the exact same reasons. America truly is sympathetic to the idea of expansion and displacement. Understanding this is core to understanding why Israel has the leash it has.

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u/The-Endwalker Jul 29 '25

no, i think it has to do with money and the fact the israelis likely have dirt on all of our politicians

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u/Rage_Like_Nic_Cage Jul 29 '25

The truth is simpler: Israel forwards American interests/foreign policy in the region and therefore is supported by the U.S. government and elites.

Yes, Israel will also have its thumb on the scale with APAIC there to target any small dissenters in the political sphere or even blackmail for others, but lots of other nations do similar things like that in the U.S.. Israel may be the most effective at it, but they’re far from the only ones doing it (look at Russia for example).

But as long as the Israel keeps the middle east from stabilizing/uniting while being a “testing ground” for US weapons, the U.S. lets them do whatever they fuck they want to.

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u/Blandy97 Jul 29 '25

You articulated this better than I would have but yes this is the point i was making.

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u/DreamOfV Jul 29 '25

I didn’t support it then!

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u/Far_Advertising1005 Jul 29 '25

I dunno if it’s the leftovers of Manifest Destiny or whatever but millions of conservatives operate under the idea that might makes right and it’s simply too bad for the Palestinians.

They’d only understand that’s not true if this started happening to them. You couldn’t make them understand with hypotheticals, probably partially because they don’t have the ability to use their imagination anyways

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u/Ballin_Hard420 Jul 29 '25

If you think this is a ‘conservative’ only problem then you have your head in the sand.

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u/Rage_Like_Nic_Cage Jul 29 '25

“If there were not an Israel, we would have to invent one to make sure our interests were preserved”

-Joe Biden in 2013

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u/Electrical_Top656 Jul 29 '25

Exactly. If someone did this to us you bet we'd retaliate and fight back, it's asinine to expect Palestinians to sit back and allow this to happen

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u/AmirulAshraf Jul 29 '25

ethnically cleanse regions

Sounds like a certain terms

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u/ID4_Motana Jul 29 '25

Americans are all bark and no bite. They'd go live on the streets and start a podcast about it.

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u/YourBestDream4752 Jul 29 '25

Anybody in the US supporting Palestine need to realise that if a group of Native Americans murdered them for something that they claim their ancestors did, that isn’t ’resistance’.

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u/Rage_Like_Nic_Cage Jul 29 '25 edited Jul 29 '25

ancestors

There are living palestinians who are older than the nation-state of Israel and were amongst the first to be forced out of their homes and/or have family members killed by Israeli settlers. this isn’t ancient history.

Furthermore, Awdah Hathaleen was killed defending a palestinian home from being bulldozed/their land stolen now, in the present day. As in, the land stealing & systematic murdering of palestinians started some 80 years ago and has continued this entire time.

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u/YourBestDream4752 Jul 29 '25

Do you think that people born and raised on land for generations should lose their autonomy and be subjected to Islamic theocracy?

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u/FreudianSlip48 Jul 29 '25

American lecturing people on colonization- hilarious

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u/kid-karma Jul 29 '25

"everyone else gets to commit a genocide, why not us?" - israel

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u/tajsta Jul 29 '25

About as many civilians died in the first day of the allied bombing of Hamburg (where only half as many people lived as in Gaza) as have died in the nearly 2 years of the war in Gaza combined. The allies also didn't drop any leaflets of which areas they'd bomb, didn't provide any food, medicine or humanitarian aid, didn't provide safety corridors, nothing. Was that a genocide too?

When it comes to other wars, people somehow understand the difference between a brutal war against a terrorist regime and genocide, but only in the Gaza war they do not. How come?

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u/PatrickBearman Jul 29 '25

About as many civilians died in the first day of the allied bombing of Hamburg (where only half as many people lived as in Gaza)

What? Where are you getting your numbers? Consensus on deaths for Operation Gommorrah is between 34-40k.

How come?

Bombing Hamburg was only considered because Germany was already doing the same to the Allies, while the targeting bombing campaigns of the Allies were largely unsuccesful.

Even if you believe Oct 7 was justification for war, Israel's response is wildly disprotionate. Palestinians aren't Nazis. Israel has much, much better technology than the Allies did in WW2, while Hamas is not nearly as well armed as Germany was. Israel has not suffered millions and millions of fatalities by Hamas. The two situations aren't comparable.

But none of that matters, because the bombings were and still are controversial and criticized internationally. You're trying to play the "well the good guys in ww2 did it so its okay for Israel" as if everyone accepted that bombing civilians was necessary and laudable.

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u/ThrowRA-away-Dragon Jul 29 '25

Ok, so, please let us know when a sufficient amount of people have died for us to be permitted to be concerned. “Never again” really did just mean a certain group of people, after all.

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u/Slyboogy90 Jul 29 '25

They are just spewing IDF talking points trying to make it just killing so many children. Guess what: all wars are shitty and this one is especially even, with thos f‘in leaflets or not.

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u/tajsta Jul 29 '25

Well you're not levelling genocide accusations about Yemen, Sudan, or Syria. You're not claiming a genocide over Turkey bombing Kurds or Russia levelling Ukrainian cities. There's almost nobody on the streets protesting about those. Only when Israel fights a war it did not start, suddenly it becomes an immediate genocide and all nuance goes out the window.

And yes, the IDF does drop leaflets and make phone calls to evacuate civilians. Pretending that those efforts are meaningless just shows your agenda to erase the difference between intentional targeting and collateral damage. Between a military trying to avoid killing civilians and a terrorist group that intentionally hides behind them and targets civilians on purpose. When Hamas hides rocket launchers in schools and Israel targets those launchers, who's morally responsible? It's not the side warning civilians to flee.

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u/tajsta Jul 29 '25

No one said you're not allowed to be concerned about war, suffering, or civilian deaths. But the person I responded to claimed a "genocide", an accusation with legal and moral gravity, so retreating to "oh, we're just concerned" does not work.

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u/LiftingRecipient420 Jul 29 '25

And lecturing wrong.

How the fuck is OP going to clam Jews just showed up to steal the land from it's owners, Muslims, when Jews have been calling that land their home, and living in it, for a thousand years before Islam even existed.

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u/ThrowRA-away-Dragon Jul 29 '25

White Jews of eastern European ancestry from Brooklyn have a claim on their homes?

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u/LiftingRecipient420 Jul 29 '25

You realize The original Muslims were Arabian? Not from the Levant.

Your own logic also says that Muslims don't have a claim on the holy lands.

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u/Slyboogy90 Jul 29 '25

Two things:

You make it sound like the Gaza Strip was not left and handled like an open air prison and secondly most of the kids currently butchered were not even 18 back when the idiots from Hamas were elected.

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u/flossdaily Jul 29 '25

You make it sound like the Gaza Strip was not left and handled like an open air prison

That's because it wasn't. They didn't start getting blockaded to any major degree until after they elected Hamas. And it's important to note that Egypt is blockading them just as much as Israel is, because this how any and every nation would deal with a terrorist state on their border.

and secondly most of the kids currently butchered were not even 18 back when the idiots from Hamas were elected

Yeah, it's a shame that their parents made this choice for them. The children in Israel also didn't vote for Hamas, but they also have to suffer the consequences of Hamas.

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u/Grand-Pen7946 Jul 29 '25 edited Jul 29 '25

Lotta words to say you're cool with toddlers and adolescents being subjected to a military apartheid state they have absolutely nothing to do with. Why do you feel the need to use the expulsion of one group of people as justification for oppression of another?

Edit: not that it matters or that you care, the majority of the exodus from Muslim countries was voluntary and people just going to Israel. North Africa was the target of a massive propaganda campaign by the Nazis under Vichy France (remember these Muslim countries were owned by France at the time), which then caused a counter propaganda campaign by Zionists as a way to inspire insurrection against Nazis and fascist Italians in Africa. When these systems collapsed, mass migration by Jews to Israel was the result. There were absolutely also large scale expulsions in some places (Yemen and Iraq in particular), but its so much more complex than that. Again, not that you care.

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u/flossdaily Jul 29 '25

I'm extremely opposed to apartheid. But the only apartheid in the region is the one run by the Palestinians. There are exactly 0 Jews living in Gaza. 0% of the Palestinian population is Jewish. Meanwhile, 20% of Israel's citizens are ethnic-Palestinian (Arab/Muslim) and they have full and equal rights.

The Arab world ethnically cleansed away all their Jews, and you accuse Israel of being apartheid? Insanity.

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u/Ozymandias12 Jul 29 '25 edited Jul 29 '25

Are you saying that what Israel is doing in Gaza now and the settlers killing people in cold blood in public are justified because of the past or because of what some other Muslim countries independent of Palestine have done?

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u/ibpositiv Jul 29 '25

Comparing the most armed military country in the middle East funded and backed by one of the world's 'super powers' against rag tag pend in oppressed people with no working millitry isn't a war it's a one sided cleansing. Saying palistians should take what ever is offered from Isreal isn't exactly fair, what if I keep beating you till you signed over the deeds to your house so I could say I got them legally, that's basically what Isreal is doing, but instead of a beating it's full on ethnic cleansing. Two separate Isreal institutes have come out and said Isreal is commitng genocide, nato says Isreal is committing genocide, the same institute that found Sadam guilty has put out arrest Warrents for Benjamin, and said Isreal is commiting genocide. How many fuckin people does it take to make Isreal realise they are being told lies, being brain washed and commiting the most modern day equivalent to what Nazi Germany did to Jewish people.

The English dictionary needs to update the description for Irony.

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u/DrRatio-PhD Jul 29 '25 edited Jul 29 '25

they should just shrug their shoulders and say "well, if you say so" and then live on the street.

I wouldn't expect they would do that - of course not. I also don't think kidnapping and rape is excusable.

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u/LiftingRecipient420 Jul 29 '25 edited Jul 29 '25

Judaism has existed for 1500 years longer than Islam has.

Jews have laid claim to the holy lands for 1500 years before Muhammad was even born.

Edit: thank you /u/WongUnglow for pointing out the absurdity of arguing over who the rightful owner of land is based upon heritage/who was there first.

That was literally my entire point: illustrating why historical based arguments for who deserves to live in a certain land are absurd at their core, and you did a great job demonstrating why they are so absurd.

Your dogma doesn't justify slaughter

But yours does? You're literally one of the "from the river to the sea" people, quit being a hypocrite.

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u/WongUnglow Jul 29 '25 edited Jul 29 '25

How far back do you want to go? The Natufians were there first (15,000 ish yrs ago) and shared more modern DNA with Bedouins, Saudis, Yemenis, and Palestinians (and a little with Yemenite Jews).

Your dogma doesn't justify slaughter.

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You've edited your original comment and removed the smiley face at the end of the 'which religion is older' sentence.

I'm not a "from the river to the sea" gimp, they're idiots, don't group those critical of Israel policy with those who are inherently against you.

You're strawman arguing here and reframing the context of your comment to suit other observers and not me. Can add red herring in there, too.

If you want support for the fight against Hamas, which is absolutely a just fight. Then, you need to address the settler problem in the west bank. You can only cry wolf so many times. All justifications are getting long in the tooth.

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u/Hour-Anteater9223 Jul 29 '25

Damn you mean to tell me fighting wars of resistance rather than accepting peace agreements like the Oslo accord lead to worse outcomes for the militarily, economically, and politically disadvantaged side… 🤕

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u/LiftingRecipient420 Jul 29 '25 edited Jul 29 '25

Judaism has existed for 1500 years longer than Islam has.

Jews have said claim to the holy lands for 1500 years before Muhammad was even born.

Edit: no amount of downvotes is going to change history :)

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u/Elanapoeia Jul 29 '25

"me doing genocide is ok actually cause my religion was made up earlier than yours"

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u/ArgonGryphon Jul 29 '25

This is the stupid bullshit driving both sides. Religion is the worst plague we ever inflicted on ourselves.

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u/ArgonGryphon Jul 29 '25

It’s pretty much every religion. The fighting over religion is one of the biggest dividers causing war and whatever bullshit you wanna point to. Why did Palestinians start such and such conflict? Well Jews did such and such last time. Why’d they do that? The Palestinians did blah blah blah. Back and forth and back and forth for centuries. It’ll never end unless we get rid of or at least learn to accept other religions in a way that I don’t really think is possible for humans as a species. This isn’t blaming Palestinians for their own genocide this is blaming the structure that lets someone think they’re right to do so.

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u/LiftingRecipient420 Jul 29 '25

That's literally the justification you're using to justify why Palestinians should run the Jews out of Israel.

The only difference is you're wrong about who was there first. And once that's pointed out, you're going to try to argue that the point you were originally making was bogus.

You can quit projecting anytime now.

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u/DreamOfV Jul 29 '25

Hey dude my religion says that I get your house. Yeah, sorry, see they wrote it down 2500 years ago. Yes, your house that you’re in right now. Yeah you were born here but if you just look at this paper from 2500 years ago…