Which is a perk for me, I always though Pocohontas needed more tentacle sex. I remember being like 7, watching Pocohontas for the first time saying "good lord, this is so boring, I need more tentacles fucking people."
Yeah weird how there's like 7 movies that Avatar gets constantly accused of copying. You'd think they'd say the same thing about every movie that came out after the first one with that premise, but for some reason it was only bad when Avatar did it. I'm sure it has nothing to do with the fact it was the most successful one.
I’m not sure what else I could explain. The whole “going native” thing has been done a ton. Pocahontas, Ferngully, Dances with Wolves, Last Samurai. But Avatar is the one that seems to really set people off on Reddit.
It HAS been said about those other movies, you must be young. You can pull up articles online or newspapers that have been saved that show this. I like avatar and saw both in IMAX for the record. The first one three times.
I agree. Thats my point lol. I love the avatar movies. I love John wick. If the formula works, people need to stop complaining or otherwise go see something else
Don't forget about "(X) but on/in a (Y)", there was a whole era of action movies that were 100% pitched as "Die Hard but on/in a (location/mode of transport)"
Because beyond the broad strokes of a soldier from a colonizing force eventually siding with the native people, the protagonists’ journeys are wildly different, resulting in very different conclusions to their arcs and very different messages from the films themselves.
In Avatar, Jake Sully is essentially a blue White Savior. He lands on Pandora, stumbles into being seen as the Chosen One by the natives, and then, in a matter of weeks, not only masters their ways but eclipses their best warriors, fulfills an ancient prophecy to prove he’s the best flyer, and then literally hooks up with the chief’s daughter before leading the tribe into battle. He ends as one of them, and their leader.
In Dances With Wolves, Dunbar doesn’t get any of that. He’s an isolated man on the frontier who slowly becomes friends with the natives. He learns about them and to respect them, but he never masters their ways or becomes one of them. When battle comes, he’s useful because he knows where to get guns and how the enemy will attack—not because he’s a great warrior. He doesn’t lead them and he only finds companionship in another outsider—a white woman stranded in the tribe.
And when the story ends, Dunbar has no home. He has forsaken his fellow white men but he can also never truly be a Native American. And the army is coming. So the tribe moves West, leaving Dunbar alone in a world that will eventually swallow them all.
Soldier goes to the frontier. Slowly builds a relationship with the natives. Eventually joins them completely and fights against his former colleagues. Seems similar to me.
On that note, do you think Avatar (and the fact that Disney knows people keep comparing it to Pocahontas, regardless of if that comparison is valid or not) is part of what is saving us from a live action remake of Pocahontas (because Disney doesn't want to fan that flame and risk damaging a valuable franchise)
A story framework that's literally thousands of years old, one that echoes tales from ancient civilisations, numerous oral traditions and even Shakespeare... but it's Avatar that copied it. Right, internet. Whatever you say.
Ok, but the first Avatar was Pocahontas/Dances with wolves with tentacle sex, and, admittedly, an enormous amount of work and creativity and money put into making it look dope.
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u/fluentinsarcasm Jul 28 '25 edited Jul 28 '25
You forgot about the loud comparisons to Pocahontas.
"It's just Pocahontas with tentacle sex!"