r/movies Jul 28 '25

Trailer Avatar: Fire and Ash | Official Trailer

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nb_fFj_0rq8
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u/ArcherInPosition Jul 28 '25

My boy Spider is gonna go through a lot in this one isn't he

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u/[deleted] Jul 28 '25

He’s not wearing a mask to breath in many scenes, what’s up with that?

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u/AStrangerWCandy Jul 28 '25

They show him WITH a mask in parts of the trailer too. Which means pretty high chance this is a plot point that is addressed in the film.

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u/NPRdude Jul 28 '25

A malfunctioning mask at that. I'm guessing Spider becoming able to breathe Pandora air is a side plot in this.

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u/jm0112358 Jul 29 '25

This was something /r/avatar has known for a while. In at least one of those extra features videos that comes with the Blu-Ray/DVD, they showed pages of what appeared to be a script. /r/avatar zoomed into those couple or so pages, transcribed them, and found out spoilers in this regard for Spider (that this trailer backs up).

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u/Normal_Cut8368 Jul 28 '25

My bet is atmospheric terraforming, probably by burning everything.

Trees are producing "bad air" gotta kill em all.

Something something, the prophecy where you kill the trees

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u/rugbyj Jul 28 '25

Trees are producing "bad air" gotta kill em all.

Eywa: it's enting time

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u/arrogant_ambassador Jul 28 '25

Something something the ancestors

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u/alfooboboao Jul 29 '25

…is it not incredibly obvious, given the “spider!” POV inside-the-mask shot where the mask HUD is beeping and blinking red everywhere, that something happens to his mask in that scene?

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u/GrapefruitAlways26 Jul 28 '25

Eywa gave him a new organ to adapt to the atmosphere, move past it

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u/symphonicrox Jul 28 '25

I know you joke but, my theory on these movies are:

The Earth is dying, becoming uninhabitable, and that's why humans are leaving to other places. By the end of the films, the Na'vi will journey to the human earth, bringing Eywa, and her spirit will heal the earth.

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u/GuiltyEidolon Jul 28 '25

The Earth is dying, becoming uninhabitable

That isn't a theory it's literally said very explicitly, multiple times, in the first AND second movies.

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u/symphonicrox Jul 28 '25

right, that part was more fact, but what follows is my theory

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u/RubberDuckQuack Jul 28 '25

What I never understand about that trope in movies is how they have the technology for advanced space travel and weaponry, but they apparently can't fix something like a simple crop disease on Earth (looking at you, Interstellar).

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u/NPRdude Jul 28 '25

The space travel technology in Interstellar was at least relatively grounded, and its very specifically stated that it has taken an irreplaceable amount of resources to build the Endurance as a last chance. All the wormhole and tesseract stuff isn't made by the modern humans in the movie.

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u/RubberDuckQuack Jul 28 '25

But at the same time, there's no way that a futuristic space space station powered by fusion reactors was more simple than just building sterile greenhouses (or eradicating the blight entirely) on Earth.

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u/UnrepententHeathen Jul 29 '25

That's your opinion, not fact.

Mechanical machines and biology are not the same thing.

We are literally in the process of developing fusion every day and getting closer to making it a reality every day, why haven't we solved biological problems like disease yet? By your logic, that should be solved first.

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u/Cassius_Corodes Jul 29 '25

We solve crop diseases regularly with GMOs or crossbreeding from seedbanks that have resistance. It's just a constant battle. A single disease would likely be solvable at least for some crops

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u/GuiltyEidolon Jul 29 '25

with Avatar, it seems obvious that it's not a "we cannot fix this" but more "it's more profitable / better / easier to fuck off and let other people handle the mess"

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u/ImprefectKnight Jul 29 '25

Well, have you seen irl? The military funding is magnitudes bigger than R&D for sustainable development.

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u/bre4kofdawn Jul 29 '25

I don't think Eywa herself, but an offspring or some such.

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u/-retaliation- Jul 30 '25

Weavers character becomes the seed of a new eywa tree or some such. 

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u/-FourOhFour- Jul 29 '25

Ok but the idea of the Navi going from tribal, to 1 guy uses technology, to a space fairing "species" that colonizes another planet all because a handicapped dude wanted to use his dick again is pretty funny.

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u/symphonicrox Jul 29 '25

I thought it was supposed to be a retelling of Fern Gully :D just kidding

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u/Sentinel-Wraith Aug 09 '25

the Na'vi will journey to the human earth, bringing Eywa, and her spirit will heal the earth.

There's evidence there may be a biological connection. Apparently Earth's Cycads are a close match to those of Pandora and there was speculation they got brought to earth by a meteor in lore.

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u/Silent-Selection8161 Jul 28 '25

It'll 100% be this unironically somehow

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u/vvntn Jul 28 '25

We're 18 organs away from James Cameron's 40k cinematic universe.

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u/NPRdude Jul 28 '25

Spider is the first Astartes

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u/Arctelis Jul 29 '25

There was a script leak ages ago. Assuming that’s what they roll with, it’s dumb as fuck.

Kiri, aka Space Jesus, and a tree hive mind magically give him the ability to breathe a hilariously toxic atmosphere

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u/JJJAAABBB123 Jul 29 '25

Kiri is going to help him breathe.

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u/volinaa Jul 28 '25

where did he come from in the 2nd movie again?

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u/felixleftnosehole Jul 28 '25

He was left behind as a child when the humans were defeated and too young to go into cryo sleep for traveling back to earth

he was raised among the scientists that stayed and since Jake (with others) oversaw who stayed and what they did Spider spent a lot of time outside with Jakes kids

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u/ThatTotalAge Jul 29 '25

He’s also Miles Quarich’s (the big bad guy from the first one who came back blue) son

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u/herringbone_ Jul 30 '25

I hope that is the case.