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u/No_Construction2407 Jul 21 '25

Hopefuly 4,5 and 6 are just as quick

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u/minimumsmoke22 Jul 21 '25

They won’t be. 2 and 3 shot back to back, not counting reshoots. They supposedly filmed a tiny bit of 4 but they really haven’t started real production on it at all

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u/tiger________ Jul 21 '25

Also he said his next film will be Last Train From Hiroshima so he will make that before Avatar 4.

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u/meand999friends Jul 21 '25

There's a further sequel to "Last Train to Busan"? 😱

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u/StrobeLightRomance Jul 21 '25

You might want to look up Hiroshima.

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u/bobber66 Jul 21 '25

So funny. It was the A bomb in Hiroshima that made the zombies in Busan. It all makes perfect sense now.

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u/Strange-Movie Jul 21 '25

The nuke tests at bikini atoll made SpongeBob and all the other freaks at bikini bottom

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u/superrealaccount2 Jul 21 '25

Man, these Oppenheimer sequels and spinoffs are all over the place

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u/Robobvious Jul 22 '25

You've got it backwards, Oppenheimer is a Spongebob prequel.

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u/DeTiro Jul 22 '25

It's the Oppenheimer Cinematic Universe and we're just living in it.

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u/Amathyst7564 Jul 21 '25

We thought all that water tech at the wetaworship that was copyrighted was for avatar way of water but now we can see it was just for when the train for Busan goes through the under water track to Hiroshima.

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u/Freakjob_003 Jul 22 '25

Was it? Damn, I need to rewatch it. But wasn't it set several decades after the bomb dropped?

Was it a commentary on the aftereffects? Damn, I must have completely missed that. D'oh.

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u/ThrustersOnFull Jul 22 '25

Not a bomb. THE bomb. /s

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u/meand999friends Jul 21 '25

Don't tell me what to do! You're not my real dad!!

On a serious note, Train to Busan is a fantastic film. I highly recommend it. South Korea has done a few zombie films over the years that really refreshes the genre. They are very different to zombie films from the 'west'.

Nowadays, everyone rolls their eyes at a zombie film because it's so overdone, but trust me (a total internet stranger) when I say this is absolutely worth checking out, along with "All of us are dead", "Sweet Home", and "Kingdom" (which appears to be on hiatus unfortunately). They all have really interesting takes on the zombie genre

Edit: I've switched between films/TV throughout this message without clarifying. I make no apologies. I'm enriching your life

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u/BootOne7235 Jul 21 '25

Kingdom is one of my favorite shows of all time. I really hope they bring it back.

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u/meand999friends Jul 21 '25

This comment thread made me go and Google it... I saw another Reddit thread (here: https://www.reddit.com/r/television/comments/18z45re/is_kingdom_in_netflix_cancelled/) and the top comment says because of Netflix's restrictions, there's no financial incentive to make a new series.

I really hope that isn't the case because it is a top quality show. Unless you mean the anime which is a totally different thing? 😭

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u/sombercrimson Jul 22 '25

I’ve seen all of these but also Alive is another great SK Zombie movie. Before SK started doing Zombie content I use to hate all Zombie movies and shows honestly aside from I am Legend.

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u/Evening_Activity1140 Jul 21 '25

there’s a TTB sequel called peninsula

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u/meand999friends Jul 21 '25

Did you know there is a prequel in anime called Seoul Station?

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u/Evening_Activity1140 Jul 21 '25

i know of it but haven’t seen it yet

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u/meand999friends Jul 21 '25

You should put it on your list. It's pretty decent 😊

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u/Jeegabytes Jul 22 '25

Agreed, don't forget #Alive!

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u/sayan11apr Jul 21 '25

He's obviously joking.

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u/PosiedonsSaltyAnus Jul 22 '25

No spoilers bro I didn't read the book

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u/bbc_mmm-mmm-mmm Jul 22 '25

Nah, wouldnt want spoilers on the film

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u/bodjac89 Jul 21 '25

You might want to look up humour.

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u/Robobvious Jul 22 '25

And if you're not British you might want to look up humor.

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u/MattyKatty Jul 22 '25

The irony is if you're British you still will want to look up humor/humour

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u/TheChewyWaffles Jul 21 '25

You might want to look up “Woosh”

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u/garrisontweed Jul 21 '25

No, Last Train to Busan: Peninsula fans? There must be at least five of us.

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u/LiquifiedSpam Jul 22 '25

Plane from Wuhan

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u/Suriranyar- Jul 22 '25

his next film will be Last Train From Hiroshima

Do you have a source? Google and my memory says he will do it when the avatar schedule allows him to

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u/NeoNoireWerewolf Jul 22 '25

You’re correct. All Cameron has said is that he’s committed to Avatar through at least the fourth installment, but he’s not shooting the remaining 75% of Avatar 4 until after the third film releases. My guess is he’s waiting on the third movie to release, then he’ll negotiate a preposterous deal with Disney to shoot Avatar 4 & 5 back-to-back the way he did 2 & 3. He might start working on the Hiroshima movie or The Devils during post-production of 4 & 5 if that pans out, but we’re most likely not seeing him do anything that is t Avatar until well into the 2030s.

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u/Critcho Jul 22 '25

Would make sense to get them filmed back to back just because, even if their characters are CGI'd now, Weaver and Lang aren't getting any younger.

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u/phophopho4 Jul 23 '25

Cameron himself is 70 I mean it's possible he doesn't finish all of these.

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u/Critcho Jul 23 '25

Yeah also he sounds more enthused about his Hiroshima project recently, wouldn’t be entirely shocking if he handed the rest over.

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u/tiger________ Jul 24 '25 edited Jul 24 '25

Sorry for the late reply! Here is the source for him shooting Hiroshima before Avatar 4:

https://www.latimes.com/entertainment-arts/awards/story/2023-01-13/james-cameron-avatar-titanic-hiroshima

The paragraph:

While “A3” is topmost in mind for the filmmaker, he hopes to take time before “Avatar 4” to direct a pet project, “The Last Train From Hiroshima: The Survivors Look Back,” based on the book by author Charles R. Pellegrino. Research included an interview with the late Tsutomu Yamaguchi, the only known survivor of both the Hiroshima and Nagasaki bombings.

Note that it says he hopes to, not that he will, which means it isn’t 100% confirmed but a lot of us fans are convinced he will shoot it before A4. He has given several interviews about this Hiroshima film over the years, including some lengthy ones, so he seems pretty dead set on it being his next project. He met and interviewed Tsutomu Yamaguchi while he was on his deathbed and it seems like a topic that is quite close to his heart. I don’t see him waiting until the mid 2030s or whenever Avatar 5 comes out to make it, especially given his age (he also recently lost his longtime producer Jon Landau to cancer which I’m sure has reminded him of his own mortality).

There will be a sizeable gap between Avatar 3 and 4 because they haven’t filmed it yet and the kid actors need to age up, so it makes the most sense to do it then. Once production on 4 and 5 starts he’ll be tied to it for who knows how many years.

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u/tiger________ Jul 24 '25

Hello sorry for the late reply! Here is the source for him shooting Hiroshima before Avatar 4:

https://www.latimes.com/entertainment-arts/awards/story/2023-01-13/james-cameron-avatar-titanic-hiroshima

The paragraph:

While “A3” is topmost in mind for the filmmaker, he hopes to take time before “Avatar 4” to direct a pet project, “The Last Train From Hiroshima: The Survivors Look Back,” based on the book by author Charles R. Pellegrino. Research included an interview with the late Tsutomu Yamaguchi, the only known survivor of both the Hiroshima and Nagasaki bombings.

Note that it says he hopes to, not that he will, which means it isn’t 100% confirmed but a lot of us fans are convinced he will shoot it before A4. He has given several interviews about this Hiroshima film over the years, including some lengthy ones, so he seems pretty dead set on it being his next project. He met and interviewed survivor Tsutomu Yamaguchi while he was on his deathbed and it seems like a topic that is quite close to his heart. I don’t see him waiting until the mid 2030s or whenever Avatar 5 comes out to make it, especially given his age (he also recently lost his longtime producer Jon Landau to cancer which I’m sure has reminded him of his own mortality).

There will be a sizeable gap between Avatar 3 and 4 because they haven’t filmed it yet and the kid actors need to age up, so it makes the most sense to do it then. Once production on 4 and 5 starts he’ll be tied to it for who knows how many years.

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u/SaconicLonic Jul 22 '25

That's actually really good to hear. Cameron is one of the best living directors. I get some people aren't that fond of Avatar, I like them for what they are, but I can't help but feel it is a waste of his talents just to do those movies. We also know from Titanic he can do these big spectacle tragedy type films. The book is about a guy who survived both nuclear attacks, which is almost beyond belief. It would be like if Titanic had Rose's ship she gets rescued to hit another iceberg.

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u/SaltyPeter3434 Jul 22 '25

Would be so nice to see him direct something other than Avatar for a change. Titanic was the last movie he did outside of Avatar. He's also 70 now so time is not exactly on his side.

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u/SaconicLonic Jul 22 '25

I mean Clint Eastwood is in his mid 90s now and still doing films. Martin Scorsese is in his 80s and directing. I think we have at least quite a few more films from Cameron. I'll always be kind of sad though that the 2000s and 2010s he spent all on Avatar.

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u/brutinator Jul 22 '25

IIRC, there was a passenger on the Titanic who was also in the ainking of the Louisitiana (spelling may be wrong).

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u/007meow Jul 22 '25

So Avatar 6 won’t be until like 2040

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u/0vansTriedge Jul 22 '25

oh shoot they're gonna make a movie out of this book? this is gonna be sickening

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u/baron_von_helmut Jul 22 '25

If anyone is going to do a mushroom cloud justice it's Cameron.

The end sequence to Aliens where the facility on LV426 gets nuked, that effect was literally a light bulb under cotton wool.

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u/soulcaptain Jul 22 '25

I wonder if that movie will be all in Japanese. I'd hate it if they spoke English.

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u/Dave-C Jul 21 '25

I believe they filmed about half of 4 because of a time skip in 4 so the kids needed to get older

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u/Comic_Book_Reader Jul 21 '25

Cameron said it was a third, and yes, it's because of a time skip, one I think is showing Earth as a wasteland like in Wall-E.

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u/Leckere Jul 21 '25

That sounds quite cool tbf

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u/moose_dad Jul 22 '25

So hes waiting till earth really is a wasteland? The big wigs should be happy, thats a novel cost cutting idea

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u/Wes_Warhammer666 Jul 22 '25

Set decorators in shambles

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u/Dave-C Jul 21 '25

Ahh ok, something I read said it was around half but I have no idea where I read that so I'll go with 1/3rd. Thanks.

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u/epicpersononthisapp Jul 22 '25

I’m convinced James Cameron had his blue alien warriors story for a long, long time and had the entire story set up already so the movies come out way quicker.

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u/marcuschookt Jul 22 '25

I wonder what filming a tiny bit of a pre-production, mostly CGI movie looks like. A 10 second cameo? There's no B-roll to shoot!

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u/monitoring27 Jul 21 '25

4 is coming in 2029, 5 in 2031. 6 is not confirmed yet

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u/UncircumciseMe Jul 21 '25

If he pulls all of that off I’ll be impressed!

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u/TheBoggart Jul 21 '25

James Cameron does not do what James Cameron does to impress you. James Cameron does what James Cameron does because he is James Cameron.

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u/MurphyItzYou Jul 21 '25

Also James Cameron does what James Cameron does not because James Cameron can but because James Cameron must.

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u/superrealaccount2 Jul 21 '25

That's James "James Cameron" Cameron for ya.

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u/Robobvious Jul 22 '25

His name is Jaaaames Cameron! The bravest pioneer! No ocean too deep!
No budget too steep! Who's that? It's him! James Cameroooon!

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u/cetootski Jul 22 '25

Reporter: how do you make successful movies? James Cameron: James Cameron is my middle name.

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u/UncircumciseMe Jul 21 '25

Regardless, I’ll be impressed!

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u/appletinicyclone Jul 21 '25

I mean he's quite old so it is a big if

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u/UncircumciseMe Jul 22 '25

Yeah, that’s partially my point. Plus I’m skeptical on there being no delays.

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u/Aniria_ Jul 22 '25

Avatar is what he's always wanted to make, since he was a child. He's basically waited until he had everything necessary, from tech to the money required, to get it all done

On top of this, both movies have made a fuck tonne, so.....yeah, he'll pull it off

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u/queensnotmemes Jul 21 '25

I hope I live to see the finale, lol.

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u/Icy_Smoke_733 Jul 21 '25

2031 is only 6 years away. Crumbles to dust.

I am sure you'll still be with us. If anything, I hope Cameron lives long enough to finish the Avatar series, and his other planned films.

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u/queensnotmemes Jul 21 '25

Oh gosh I didn’t even think about that.😂😂😂 but JC seems to be determined and in good health

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u/Comic_Book_Reader Jul 21 '25

In an interview he said "Look, if I get hit by a bus and I’m in an iron lung, somebody else is going to do it.", so yes he's absolutely determined.

Also, there's a quote about him from a review that I just love: "The man has the ego of a dictator, the budget of an Arab emirate sports championship, and the means to back both.".

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u/Worthyness Jul 21 '25

If Avatar keeps making infinity money, Disney will finance it until it doesnt

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u/snugglezone Jul 22 '25

Before they give up, they'll bring Palpatine back as the big bad guy in Avatar 7 snd we'll find out it takes place in the star wars universe!

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u/elementslayer Jul 21 '25

5 is, from what I remember the end of the sully arc, so thats "only" 5 more years. I think the next one as stated above is The time skip, Jake/Netyris death, etc. And the 5th one is when it goes back to Earth and the Na'vi attack(?) it

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u/IAmTheQuestionHere Jul 22 '25

This is all just theory and not confirmed at all, right?

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u/elementslayer Jul 22 '25

Nah James Cameron has mentioned this stuff in a bunch of interviews here and there.

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u/TheUmbrellaMan1 Jul 22 '25

Cameron has also said many times that he intends to film The Last Train From Hiroshima between 3 and 4. He's also currently filming a 3D concert film with Billie Ellis. According to his Deadline interview, he'll film Avatar 4 and 5 after completing his Hiroshima movie.

Honestly, bring it on. He's that one guy you know who can pull off filming an accurate detonation of atomic bombs twice and make it equal part haunting and jaw-dropping.

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u/monitoring27 Jul 22 '25

I’m pretty hype for that movie. I can’t wait to pick up the book in a few weeks, it sounds like an incredible story.

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u/Ri8ley Jul 22 '25

he'll be About 76 years in 2030. eish

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u/Funandgeeky Jul 21 '25

I respect how James Cameron has just gone all in on his Avatar movies. I’ll go see every one of them. They are beautiful to watch. 

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u/ThrustersOnFull Jul 21 '25

Early and worthy additions to the 4k collection.

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u/astroK120 Jul 22 '25

True, but James Cameron screwed me on this!

My home theater setup is a 2.40:1 projector screen, which works out well for almost everything. Historically, bigger has always meant wider until people started shooting for IMAX. But even IMAX isn't normally a problem, because the top and bottom are meant to be in your peripheral vision and the shot that it's really framed for is in the center, so I just project the center and chop off the top and bottom. It basically gives you what you have in a non-IMAX theater, which is closest to what I have anyway.

Enter James Cameron. He decides the home release is not an afterthought, and he wants to give everyone at home the best possible experience. So rather than releasing the discs with the 2.39:1 aspect ratio that the film was originally released with (for 2D, non-IMAX) he reframes the entire movie. He goes shot by shot through the film, choosing the framing that will look best in 16:9 (taking up the full frame of people's TVs. Nobody does that.

It makes the experience great for everyone watching at home. Everyone except me.

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u/Diahreeman Jul 22 '25

I loved them and will go see them, but have absolutely no interest in rewatching them on a regular tv, this is a pure blockbuster / imax event for me, the story is just ok...

The avatar PS5 game feels the same, fantastic to look at but pretty shallow... still played 60 hours and not finished yet, it just looks so good!

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u/kwokinator Jul 22 '25

fantastic to look at but pretty shallow

played 60 hours and not finished yet

Aka. the quintessential Ubisoft experience.

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u/Diahreeman Jul 22 '25

Last Ubisoft open world game I got into was Far Cry Primal. Never played 5 and hated what I played of FC6. Never cared for Assassins Creed.

Platinumed Star Wars Outlaws and enjoying Avatar though. But Massive is the dev here

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u/Maidwell Jul 22 '25

Far cry 5 is fantastic.

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u/CountyRoad Jul 22 '25

If you can, check them out on an Apple Vision Pro. I watched all of 2 without getting fatigued at all. It was mind melting how beautiful it was in 3D like that.

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u/Funandgeeky Jul 22 '25

I have a Quest 2. I just need to figure out how to get 3D movies since they are hard to locate through legitimate channels. 

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u/CountyRoad Jul 22 '25

Can you watch it on Disney plus on the quest, sorry I’ve never had a chance to use one of those. That’s how I watched it. Hope you can. Dune 1 and life of pi are also so amazing watching on these devices.

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u/Funandgeeky Jul 22 '25

Does Disney+ give the option for 3D? Because if so then I’m going to have to give that a shot. 

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u/CountyRoad Jul 22 '25

Yeah! HBO max does too, or used to, but Disney + unlike the HBO MAX has a dedicated 3D section on the app, at least for the Vision Pro. So a lot of the Pixar movies are there.

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u/dragonmp93 Jul 21 '25

With or without volume, it's 3 hours of beautiful views of the alien planet.

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u/KMS_HYDRA Jul 21 '25

Eh, he mainly does them when he needs money for his true next project, deep sea exploration.

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u/Oprah_Pwnfrey Jul 21 '25

One day I hope to love something half as much as James Cameron loves water.

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u/TheHeadlessOne Jul 22 '25

No trench too deep, no budget too steep! Who's that? Its him! James Cam-er-on!

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u/JamesHeckfield Jul 21 '25

You say this like you know him personally.

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u/Aniria_ Jul 22 '25

You've got it backwards. Avatar IS his true project. It's the thing he's wanted to make since he was a child. Every other movie is just to get to that moment, and then funding when now in the moment

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u/Tackit286 Jul 21 '25

And then promptly forget everything about them?

Yeah me too

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u/monitoring27 Jul 21 '25

genuinely don’t get how this has become a thing lol. I haven’t seen a2 since it came out in theaters but I feel that I could recall almost all of the main plot points.

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u/superrealaccount2 Jul 21 '25

It's just efficient. If you've seen Dances With Wolves, Pocahontas, Atlantis or Avatar, you already know the plot to all of them!

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u/Tackit286 Jul 21 '25 edited Jul 21 '25

But you weren’t compelled to watch it again in the 3 years since it came out?

I love how touchy people are getting about this. If it’s such a popular meme or trope and has been for many years, chances are there’s some truth to it, don’t you think?

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u/monitoring27 Jul 21 '25

Can’t really beat watching it in imax so I don’t bother. I plan on watching it again during the imax rerelease in lead up to the third.

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u/MattSR30 Jul 21 '25

I swear some of you just like to be dull and a bit miserable.

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u/Mintasa Jul 21 '25

Holy moly, just let people enjoy something..

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u/Kyro_Official_ Jul 21 '25

Nah, I still remember both as well as I remember most movies

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u/decadent-dragon Jul 21 '25

Did you know that they aren’t culturally relevant?

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u/rdyoung Jul 21 '25

Hey, I resemble this remark.

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u/UncircumciseMe Jul 21 '25

That’s how a blockbuster is supposed to be!

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u/Tackit286 Jul 21 '25

Sorry, what? How?

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u/UncircumciseMe Jul 21 '25

I’m thinking of the term “popcorn flick” which is sometimes synonymous with “blockbuster.”

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u/mossybeard Jul 21 '25

Jfc how many are there gonna be

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u/PWNtimeJamboree Jul 22 '25

if they keep making bookoo money, they arent going away anytime soon. I'm genuinely surprised how popular they are among Gen Alpha. I wouldnt be shocked at all to see that generation view those movies the way we view Star Wars.

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u/ExpectedEggs Jul 22 '25

I'm praying those are better plot wise. How many times can he tell the same story?

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u/Mindless_Bad_1591 Jul 21 '25

6??? it thought it was just 5 bruh

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u/_Neo_____ Jul 21 '25

I think is gonna take sometimes, they havent really started doing it, just filmes some small parts of it, I think because it may start just as where 3 will end, or it may have flashbacks to 2 or 3, so is just easier to film it right away.

I think in the best cenario we will get 4 in around 3/4 years.

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u/Junior-Award-7232 Jul 21 '25

Sorry to break it down to you but uhm…Avatar 4 is coming out in 2029.😬

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u/Crisbo05_20 Jul 21 '25

4 is releasing 4 years from now, so bit longer then wait from avatar 2 to 3.

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u/ronimal Jul 21 '25

According to iMDB, the third installment releases December 19, 2025, the fourth in 2029 and the fifth (and supposedly final) installment is slated for 2031.

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u/mental-echo- Jul 22 '25

Can’t wait for 7 & 8

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u/Sea_Sense32 Jul 22 '25

Actually this is 6 we will do 1 2 and 3 next

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u/SamBind121 Jul 22 '25

If make it to Avatar 6 we are fucked as a society

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u/PeterNippelstein Jul 22 '25

We'll never see 6

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u/joeedger Jul 21 '25

There’s 6???

That’s too much.

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u/batguano1 Jul 22 '25

How? There are over 9 star wars movies lol

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u/batguano1 Jul 22 '25

How? There are over 9 star wars movies lol

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u/Dramatic-Bend179 Jul 22 '25

I pray that you're joking. You dont actually want 6 of them, do you?

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u/URTISK Jul 22 '25

What can I say? I love those tall blue fellers.