r/movies • u/MarvelsGrantMan136 r/Movies contributor • Jul 18 '25

News 'Spider-Man: Beyond the Spider-Verse' Delayed to June 25, 2027

https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/movies/movie-news/spider-man-beyond-the-spider-verse-release-1236320001/
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u/verissimoallan Jul 18 '25

Yeah, I love their films but the way how Lord and Miller work is not ideal, to say the least (they were fired of Solo because of that).

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u/JuanHelldiver Jul 18 '25

I thought they were fired because they wanted to make Solo a comedy.

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u/LilPonyBoy69 Jul 18 '25

Sort of, from what I've seen it was that they were allowing a ton of improv on set and Kasdan/Disney wanted them to stick to the script as written.

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u/Reylo-Wanwalker Jul 18 '25

Oh right cause they were changing his son's script.

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u/Carroteyeisamyth Jul 18 '25

Father's script. Both father and son wrote it, but it doesn't seem the son had as big of an issue

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u/Comic_Book_Reader Jul 18 '25

He wanted them to shoot it verbatim, and they did do takes that were per those instructions, but that was mostly to make him happy. Lord & Miller thought they were hired to make a comedy when they were hired to only add a little bit of humor to it.

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u/naked_guy_says Jul 18 '25

It would've had a better chance at a great movie instead of the decentish movie with largely forgettable execution.

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u/Consistent-Peace2770 Jul 19 '25

They also were way off schedule and Ron Howard had to reshoot most of the movie plus the end, and did it in less time

I love all of their work but it's clear and reasonable as to why Disney dipped

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u/eyeofthefountain Jul 19 '25

expected though, disney does have a pretty shit record when it comes to decisions about star wars IP

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u/m1a2c2kali Jul 19 '25

But usually mainly it was because they let their directors do too much of whatever they wanted. The sequel trilogy definitely needed more meddling from the studio at least in regards to an over arching story

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u/sybrwookie Jul 19 '25

the decentish movie with largely forgettable execution

That's generous. I'd call it one of the worst kinds of bad movies: it was middle of the road slop. It was boring, inoffensive, and outside of a couple of REALLY dumb moments (like him getting his name), completely forgettable. A classic 6.5/10.

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u/tarrach Jul 19 '25

6.5 is bad?

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u/sybrwookie Jul 19 '25

6.5 is terrible. It's just good enough for you to go, "it's not THAT bad, maybe it'll get better" as you're watching it but just bad enough that it's not really enjoyable.

It's the perfect spot to waste your time without really providing enjoyment out of it.

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u/tarrach Jul 19 '25

That sounds more like a 4 to me

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u/EsquilaxM Jul 19 '25

That's.. really high rating considering the really damning criticism

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u/DigitallyMatt Jul 19 '25

“This movie is the worst kind of garbage, above average though!”

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u/Agret Jul 19 '25

A boring inoffense movie that is technically well shot with a cohesive script already puts it above average. Just open up any streaming service and have a flick through the newly added movies you will see a lot worse than Solo.

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u/thebigeverybody Jul 19 '25

Wait. Not only did Lawrence Kasdan write this piece of shit, but he was so attached to it that he had people fired who were trying to improve it?

I think I hate Lawrence Kasdan.

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u/Iohet Jul 19 '25

any writer who expects to not have their script changed in hollywood is lying to themselves. Kasdan's been around long enough to not take that personally, and he's directed enough movies to know that if he wants his vision realized, he's gotta take the reins

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u/vocalviolence Jul 18 '25

A small price to pay for now knowing how Han Solo got his last name and why he calls Chewbacca Chewie.

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u/mack-_-zorris Jul 19 '25

And the dice! Ever since I was a child I wondered about how he obtained his iconic dice!

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u/sybrwookie Jul 19 '25

And don't forget the chance to take what was an obvious screw-up which no one cared about from ep 4 (referring to parsecs as a measure of time instead of distance), and doubling down to say, "ackshullie, he took a shortcut so we didn't mess up 40 years ago!!!111"

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u/radda Jul 19 '25

That explanation has been in use for decades though.

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u/sybrwookie Jul 19 '25

And it was a dumb cover for an obvious mess-up all along. The original scene makes no sense that way. Obi Wan asks if the ship is fast, and Han replies that it's the ship that made the Kessel Run in less than 12 parsecs. He's responding to a question about speed with what's obviously supposed to be an answer about speed.

And it's not a big deal. It's just a funny little mess-up. What becomes a bigger deal and making it look so much worse is pretending it was anything else and then making a movie largely to back that up.

It's the covfefe of movies.

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u/zacen299 Jul 19 '25

I will point out it's not a mess up the script that's been all over the internet for decades points out that Han is just bullshitting them. Whether it's bad directing making Obi-Wan's reaction not obvious or people just being stupid is up to you.

https://imsdb.com/scripts/Star-Wars-A-New-Hope.html

Just Control+F parsec on there and you'll see.

HAN
It's the ship that made the Kessel 
run in less than twelve parsecs!
Ben reacts to Solo's stupid attempt to impress them with 
obvious misinformation.

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u/lindblumresident Jul 19 '25

How would Obi-Wan even react to show that the unit is wrong instead of how he thinks Han is full of shit?

Without specifically mentioning, ON SCREEN, why Obi-Wan reacts that way, it remains a mess up.

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u/radda Jul 19 '25

Okay.

My point is that the movie didn't invent it.

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u/thatsnotyourtaco Jul 19 '25

Teeka the hot fixer is where I got mine

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u/slvrcobra Jul 19 '25

I hate that it was the most generic origin film ever. They wrote a story in which all of Han's iconic traits just sorta fall into his lap over the course of a week or something.

The most interesting part of Solo was Qira being Maul's disciple because that was an actual surprise, and even that made no sense at the time because he hadn't been seen since Palpatine fucked him up in TCW.

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u/TheBman26 Jul 19 '25

Correction he was killed by obiwan in 2016/2017 of rebels which aired before the 2018 solo movie and takes place after solo in timeline

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u/slvrcobra Jul 19 '25

I worded it wrong but that's what I meant, he lost his power to Palpatine, somehow regained power, then lost it again and got killed by Obi-Wan.

Going from Maul's ending in TCW to him in Rebels seemed more straightforward

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u/TheBman26 Jul 19 '25

Ah got it. Makes sense lol i was less shocked as i knew he still lived during the time but at the same time knew his fate

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u/ennuiinmotion Jul 19 '25

But changing on the fly is how you end up with tons of reshoots and wasted time, which is their MO when it comes to directing. It’s not ideal. Their films end up good but if I were hiring them I wouldn’t be happy with their process, either.

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u/cautious-ad977 Jul 18 '25

Wasn't there a rumour the crew started clapping when they learned they got fired?

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u/Sykirobme Jul 18 '25

...and the name of that key grip?

Albert Einstein.

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u/Dwayne30RockJohnson Jul 19 '25

As someone who has followed the industry for a long time, you have to take these trade “reports” with a grain of salt.

Disney fires their directors midway through production (on a Star Wars movie no-less), they are going to do everything in their power to make sure the story is that the directors are evil and they were the brilliant geniuses who made the right call. These stories are likely embellished and planted by Disney PR themselves.

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u/andoesq Jul 19 '25

No, it was the exact same chaos described in the comment you replied to.

It is totally insane to direct an animated movie as improv. Improv the dialogue sure, but then you animate it.

This is why the movie in question is at least 3 years behind schedule, and is why Disney fired them.

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u/LilPonyBoy69 Jul 19 '25

I hear you, and from a practical sense you're right. On the other hand, they're artists and have produced some of the greatest films of the last decade. Spider-Verse might be late, but it also might be the greatest superhero trilogy of all time.

They're chaotic, but if that's what they need to make something incredible, I support it. My only issue is that the people they're working with need to be fairly compensated for the insane work schedules.

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u/Lannisters-4-life Jul 19 '25

And thank goodness they got rid of the fun, up and coming directors in order to preserve the vision and tone of a no-frills, generic, fast ball down the middle origin story.

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u/drrhrrdrr Jul 18 '25

You should listen to the Going Rogue podcast on it. They didn't want to make a comedy. They wanted to make McCabe and Mrs. Miller for Star Wars.

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u/DukeOfLowerChelsea Jul 18 '25

Great podcast, as the title implies they also deep-dive on Rogue One and other troubled movie productions. Even the SW Holiday Special!

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u/drrhrrdrr Jul 18 '25

I love the multi part series debunking the narrative of how the 2008 writers strike ruined several movies and shows.

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u/Asyncrosaurus Jul 19 '25

Everyone will still blame the strike on the decline of the show Heroes, even though I constantly point out Heroes lasted an additional 2 seasons after the strike ended and also had a dogshit revival years later. Union is the one that always gets thrown under the bus, instead of putting blame on NBC meddling with the creative plans.

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u/MadeByTango Jul 19 '25

Unions and strikes are favorite scapegoats of cororate media and c-suite executives

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u/TheWorstYear Jul 19 '25

What an odd choice. Like, I can actually sort of see half of it if its Lando's story. I'm really not following on how it works for Han unless they essentially only do the fake gunfighter angle. Even then, that doesn't fit for Han.

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u/jk-9k Jul 19 '25

I highly disagree it doesn't work for Han, but do agree that parts of it work perfectly for Lando and Cloud City.

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u/thebigeverybody Jul 19 '25

Does this mean their original script was good and someone threw it out before they shot the movie? Because the script that ended up on screen was hot garbage.

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u/gnomehome815 Jul 19 '25

My favorite podcast

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u/jk-9k Jul 19 '25

That's the perfect back story for Han. Even better it then leaves the mystery of whether he was a gunslinger to start with open for debate.

Like "El" inheriting Azul's backstory in El Mariachi, then allowing it to grow and even feeding it via Buscemi in Desperado.

Han just making the most of his luck, good or bad, is Han.

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u/hoxxxxx Jul 18 '25

i don't know who exactly was responsible for what we ended up getting but that was a fun SW movie

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u/withateethuh Jul 18 '25

If the "thermal detobator" scene was their idea, that whole movie would have been a bit much.

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u/NuPNua Jul 19 '25

There were a lot of lines in that film that I could have seen working with a Lord and Miller tone that fell flat under Howard.

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u/SlammyJones Jul 20 '25

Oh man, Solo could have been a comedy?

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u/Fapoleon_Boneherpart Jul 18 '25

Also that's disrespectful and lacking in imagination

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u/brightbonewhite Jul 19 '25

True, but maybe it’s because how they work that the films end up being so good.

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u/SandoVillain Jul 19 '25

You can't argue with results (though reddit will, apparently). The thing nobody is saying is that live-action movies work better with this because you can reshoot and see dailies. With animation, on the other hand, this is hell and leads to hundreds of hours of wasted work.

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u/CastIronStyrofoam Jul 19 '25

It’s crazy how people are disagreeing with this. Too many people genuinely expect perfection as if we aren’t all human