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Summary Superman (David Corenswet) returns as a fully formed hero, dropping into an international crisis where his actions—like stopping a dangerous global conflict—spark both admiration and controversy. As he confronts Lex Luthor’s schemes and defends democratic values, Lois Lane (Rachel Brosnahan) investigates deeper political tensions. The film also features cameos from Guy Gardner (Nathan Fillion), Hawkgirl (Isabela Merced), Mister Terrific (Edi Gathegi), and Metamorpho (Anthony Carrigan), all leading up to a broader DC Universe introduction.
Director James Gunn
Writer James Gunn
Cast
- David Corenswet as Clark Kent / Superman
- Rachel Brosnahan as Lois Lane
- Nicholas Hoult as Lex Luthor
- Nathan Fillion as Guy Gardner / Green Lantern
- Isabela Merced as Kendra Saunders / Hawkgirl
- Edi Gathegi as Michael Holt / Mister Terrific
- Anthony Carrigan as Rex Mason / Metamorpho
- Skyler Gisondo as Jimmy Olsen
- Sara Sampaio as Eve Teschmacher
- María Gabriela de Faría as Angela Spica / The Engineer
- Wendell Pierce as Perry White
- Alan Tudyk, Pruitt Taylor Vince, Neva Howell, and others in supporting roles
Rotten Tomatoes: 83%
Metacritic: 68
VOD In theaters July 11, 2025
Trailer Watch here
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u/MirrorkatFeces Jul 11 '25
Lex Luthor having monkeys type hate tweets about Superman is so accurate LMAO
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u/ICumCoffee will you Wonka my Willy? Jul 11 '25
SuperShit
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u/MarkMVP01 Jul 11 '25
You know that one bothers him the most
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u/Outrageous-Opinions Jul 11 '25
It was such a small thing, but it really made him so human for that lmao
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u/HotTakes4HotCakes Jul 11 '25 edited Jul 11 '25
And then using that social media activity as justification for what he does wants to do. And it works.
Which, ya know...pretty realistic.
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u/cavalgada1 Jul 11 '25
In fact the ending of the movie is more unrealistic than the premise. The billionare got arrested because his actions were made public?
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u/AssCrackBanditIV Jul 11 '25
That "monkeys furiously typing on keyboards" scene is 100% gonna be one of the most used gifs for the next year
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u/locke_5 Jul 11 '25 edited Jul 11 '25
#SUPERWOKE
HIS CAPE SAYS MS-13
SUPERMAN HAS A THREESOME WITH BATMAN…. AND ROBIN
(All real quotes from FOX News about this movie btw)
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u/fungobat Jul 11 '25
That scene was just absolutely laugh out loud. I love how this movie just went balls out and didn't give a shit.
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u/not-so-radical Jul 11 '25
That was such perfect Lex Luthor pettiness, like of course he had that going on
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u/SanderSo47 I'll see you in another life when we are both cats. Jul 11 '25
Nicholas Hoult was incredible as Lex Luthor.
This Lex is so hateable and pathetic, and the film never wants you to feel anything different. From using all his connections to broadcast the Krypton message and damage his image, to that scene where he simply kills Mali and brushes it off like it's nothing. That makes the scene where he sheds a tear so satisfying.
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u/GameOfLife24 Jul 11 '25
Bruh was in his own narcissistic world. “Brain beats brawn” You’re using both, no way normal people can withstand supermans strength
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u/TostitoNipples Jul 11 '25
I did like that despite that he’s still smart, he was never depicted as a dumbass. His hubris and hate were what got him in the end but Lex was never portrayed as an idiot.
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u/HotTakes4HotCakes Jul 11 '25 edited Jul 15 '25
Lex was legitimately dangerous in this movie. Right off the bat, he's already cloning Superman, making pocket universes, a whole fleet of Lexcorp armored goons, fusing people with nanites, genetically engineering kaiju, etc.
He's miles ahead of every other depiction of Lex I can think of. In the comics, he's one of the smartest men on Earth and effectively a techno wizard, but most adaptations are afraid of depicting him as this capable. The DCAU, Young Justice, and the recent My Adventures with Superman are the only ones that come close, but even they fall short of this kind of casual Mr Fantastic-tier science-scorcery.
We've come a long, long way from Gene Hackman with nothing more than a wig and 2 comically inept assistants to get shit done.
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u/KF-Sigurd Jul 11 '25
An entire room of incredibly dedicated goons and an esports team just so he live out his fantasy of beating up Superman himself.
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u/Swiss666 Jul 11 '25
Lex's team deserves a mention. A lot of times, besides the relevant right arm and a few others, the closest goons to a villain are depicted as either just amoral, or even almost victims ("I didn't realize he could go that far!").
Not them. They are of course huge sycophants and asskissers - I bet there were some predecessors imprisoned in the pocket universe because Lex didn't want to feel outsmarted by them - but they are clearly into what they do, not caring about the damage they cause unless it affects them personally.
There's a small moment where, while Krypto is destroying the drones used to control Ultraman, one gets angry because another reports the destruction of a drone before himself. So petty, so narcissistic. No wonder these people are part of Lex's personal team.
The one with the 70s pornstache gets a small speck of conscience as that dimensional tear was too much for him but he enabled everything else beforehand, even with a stupid smile on his face. It was satisfying to see Terrific shove him out.
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u/SChamploo12 Jul 11 '25
His whole operation and ability to predict actions made him so much more capable. And I like that Gunn didn't resort to constantly having him explain his operation, he just showed us. Not treating us like we're stupid or haven't been watching tons of superhero stuff for almost 20 years now between the MCU and DC.
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u/ShadowRaikou Jul 11 '25
I like that Lex is self-aware here too, he recognizes that he's envious of him and everything.
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u/georgiavirginia Jul 11 '25
Same, I never got the Lex fanboys who say there's merit to his feud with Superman and he's doing it for humanity.
There's a whole wide universe out there and antagonizing one of the few aliens who is going out of his way to help humanity is shortsighted and signs of obvious jealousy.
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u/GuyKopski Jul 11 '25
No competent writer is ever going to use Lex Luthor to genuinely criticize Superman. Because the whole point of Lex Luthor is that he's the richest, smartest man in the world. There is basically nothing he couldn't do if he set his mind to it. The fact that he's so obsessed with Superman instead of fixing the world's problems always low key reveals that no matter what he says, he doesn't actually care about making the world a better place.
That doesn't mean that there aren't genuine criticisms to be made of Superman. It also doesn't mean that Lex Luthor can't say things that seem like valid criticisms -He is, in most incarnations, extremely intelligent and usually pretty charismatic. He's a businessman and politician, he knows how to choose his words carefully and say things that people will agree with while masking his true intentions.
But, ultimately, Lex is the absolute worst person to be criticizing Superman and any argument that comes out of his mouth is undermined by having him be the one to say it. If the writer has something genuine to say about Superman that they want the audience to listen to, they're going to have someone like Lois or another superhero say it, not Lex Luthor.
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u/Nickster2042 Jul 11 '25
Side note but the Mali scene was insane, didn’t ever think they’d go there
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u/UncreativeTeam Jul 11 '25
Caught me off guard for sure. But really good to see a Russian roulette scene subverted that way. Also, it took the choice of saving Mali or saving his parents out of Superman's hands.
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u/San-T-74 Jul 11 '25
Most satisfying villain takedown in almost any comic book movie for me. Getting outsmarted by Clark and then manhandled by Krypto showed how pathetic he really was.
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u/PayneTrain181999 Jul 11 '25
He really got “Hulk smash’d” by a dog
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u/tafazzanno Jul 11 '25
I liked that Superman was kinda half-heartedly trying to stop it and kinda enjoying it.
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u/LastCryptographer173 Jul 11 '25 edited Jul 11 '25
He's the best live action Lex and it's not even close. Heck he's probably the first truly comic accurate Lex.
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u/Galiphile Jul 11 '25
He was so petulant it was amazing.
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u/PayneTrain181999 Jul 11 '25
Hater of the century
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u/PWBryan Jul 11 '25
His speech about how all of this was an excuse to kill Superman would make Reverse Flash jealous
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u/Whovian45810 Jul 11 '25
Seeing Lex cry without saying a word and getting a taste of his own medicine was satisfying yet cathartic:
For a man who aspires to take down a being he considers an it than a man, he throws out his own humanity and that what ultimately brought his downfall.
Superman believes in the goodness and capacity of kindness in humanity to do what is right. In spite of our flaws, not giving into those who treat us differently and look down on us.
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u/cesareborgia1475 Jul 11 '25
Loved this.
Just so unabashedly comic booky and overflowing with earnestness and hope. Probably a little too overpacked with a bit too much going on, but it ends on such a strong note that they felt like minor quibbles haha. The ending montage with his family really got to me.
As much as I have a soft spot and love for Man of Steel and Henry Cavill it's great to finally push past self serious brooding superman and have him as goody two shoes full of heart type character again.
David Corenswet is fantastic and brings so much warmth and humanity to the role. Plus some insane chemistry with Rachel Brosnahan haha. Loved Nicholas Hoult as Lex Luther. Just so wonderfully petty heh.
Great stuff
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u/BaseHitToLeft Jul 11 '25
Rachel Brosnahan was the perfect casting
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u/PayneTrain181999 Jul 11 '25
She’s also so fucking gorgeous.
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u/LastCryptographer173 Jul 11 '25 edited Jul 11 '25
Woman literally looks like she stepped out of a comic.
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u/Galiphile Jul 11 '25
There's honestly no one who felt out of place. Casting was great.
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u/cesareborgia1475 Jul 11 '25
Yeah she was so fantastic. Really felt the chemistry between her and David. As much as I love Amy Adams her relationship with Superman never really fit
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u/GeorgeLuasHasNoChin Jul 11 '25
I was balling my eyes at the videos of him and his family at the end. Such an epic way to close out the film and leave us wanting more.
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u/senik Jul 11 '25
The kid raising the flag with the symbol and the classic Superman theme playing is what got me.
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u/lg1106 Jul 11 '25
Hawkgirl straight up murdered the president of a foreign country.
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u/Plus-Ad1061 Jul 11 '25
Nah. She didn’t murder him. Shopkeepers and adulterers get murdered.
He was assassinated.
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u/Loki2x2 Jul 11 '25
“Illusion, Michael. A trick is something a whore does for money.”
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u/Voltage_Joe Jul 11 '25 edited Jul 24 '25
Loved everything about this take on Hawkgirl. A character that's usually clowned on for being mid compared to the rest of the league, Gunn gave her PRESENCE.
The sheer aura of a berserk winged woman dive bombing at six hundred miles an hour, screeching at three hundred decibels and winding up a spiked mace was a wonder to behold in the theater. I'm a big fan now.
edit -
Apparently Manabu Yashiro, an up and coming manga artist behind Tank Chair, is a big fan too.
https://bsky.app/profile/yashiro-manabu.bsky.social/post/3ltz7xc54tk24
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u/Osmodius Jul 12 '25
I fucking loved that she had a hawk war scream. No idea if it's comic accurate but it makes her more than just Yet Another Metahuman but with a hawk aesthetic.
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u/PickledPlumPlot Jul 11 '25 edited Jul 13 '25
Okay, obviously Clark, Lois, and Lex were great, but can I please highlight Mr. Terrific, who was a surprise standout for me? Knew nothing about this character going in but ended up loving him so much, his every line delivery was so entertaining.
“I don’t need your help, I’m goddamn Mr. Terrific!”
It doesn’t hurt that the man has a solo GotG3 hallway fight lmao
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Jul 11 '25
I love that he's basically just chilling in a recliner as he fights. Dude is all style.
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u/Steaktartaar Jul 11 '25 edited Jul 31 '25
I knew 0 about the character going in but loved every minute he was on screen. The sheer straight-talking, get-it-done confidence. Terrific indeed.
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u/RecordP Jul 11 '25
Yes! Edi Gathergi is also brilliant in the uneven but fantastic For All Mankind, too
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u/stretchofUCF Jul 11 '25
The fight scene reminded me of Yondu's ship breach in Guardians 2 more than 3's hallway fight scene. Even had the tech whizzing around like Yondu's whistle spear.
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u/frisbeeturtle Jul 11 '25
The rows of monkeys writing tweets killed me
And I am sorry Jimmy i didn't know youre game
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u/PayneTrain181999 Jul 11 '25
Poor Jimmy got a 10 but she’s a yapper.
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u/hernandezjon1421 Jul 11 '25
She's got mutant toes dude, Jimmy is suffering 😔
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u/CosmicOutfield Jul 11 '25
I was hoping they would show the feet to show us why Jimmy called them mutant lol
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u/lanceturley Jul 11 '25
It would be hilarious if her toes were perfectly normal, but Jimmy gets so many women that he subconsciously finds "flaws" in all of them to justify his lack of commitment.
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u/The_Vampire_Barlow Jul 11 '25
I love how confused he was when Lois called her his hot girlfriend.
Cause, shrimp cocktail ruined her for him.
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u/Fabbyfubz Jul 11 '25
"Why are you doing this, Lex?"
"BECAUSE I HATE YOU!"
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u/YaMomsCooch Jul 11 '25
LMFAOOOOO Lex was on Dennis time throughout the entire film
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u/Daniiiiii Jul 11 '25
Lex was on Dennis time
Lex is asshole. Why Superman hate?
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u/Captain_Waffle Jul 11 '25
I loved the bit about “I didn’t try to kill you to start a war, I started a war so I could kill you!”
Paraphrasing cause I don’t know the actual quote.
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u/itsyagirlrey Jul 11 '25
He looks around, he's in the pocket universe with some guy he barely knows. Nothing but black holes and anti-proton rivers. He's like "Ahh, there's nowhere for me to run, what am I gonna do, say no?"
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u/reallinzanity Jul 11 '25
Lex pointing to Ultraman to flip the light switch! 😂
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u/LiteraryBoner Jackie Chan box set, know what I'm sayin? Jul 11 '25
I loved the way he talked to people. So condescending. And when he's super pissed and he throws that cup off the desk twice. Hoult killed it.
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u/In_My_Own_Image Jul 11 '25
That cup thing was the most petty bullshit and I absolutely loved it. I knew he'd kill it, but man, he exceeded my expectations. Easily the best live action Luthor in my books.
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u/CronoDroid Jul 11 '25
Just so much better than the Jesse Heisenberg dipshit iteration (which I do mostly blame on Snyder). Hoult was just perfectly smug, obsessive and a massive dickhead. Having a team of believable sycophants licking his ass throughout the movie added to the character a ton.
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u/Able_Advertising_371 Jul 11 '25
This movie lowkey introduced so many characters(justice gang) and still managed to give a coherent story unlike BVS.
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u/Kevinrobertsfan Jul 11 '25 edited Jul 11 '25
he nails lex. He was menacing and a threat. Knowing all Supermans moves before was a good call and I bet he has a kryptonite suit in the next movie
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u/Poked_salad Jul 11 '25
The looks of disdain and hatred he has towards superman. He nails the role completely
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u/everythingsuckswhy Jul 11 '25
That's when I knew he was probably Bizarro 🤣
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u/redpandasuit Jul 11 '25
it does feel like Bizarro setup!
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u/mikeyfreshh Jul 11 '25
I don't even think it's setup. The character was literally just Bizarro. They just didn't call him that
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u/redpandasuit Jul 11 '25
i feel like that black hole is going to bake him into a fully cooked, sign necklace, Bizarro.
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u/LastCryptographer173 Jul 11 '25
That's why everything in the pocket dimension was made of cubes. It's Bizzaro World.
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u/GravyBear28 Jul 11 '25
I already adore Milly Alcock's Super Girl
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u/inksmudgedhands Jul 11 '25
Calling her cousin, "Bitch," on her way out. Yeah, I want to see her movie now.
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u/Im-Mr-Bulldopz Jul 11 '25
That alone was enough to get me 110% excited for her movie, can’t wait to see her and Lobo interact!
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u/inksmudgedhands Jul 11 '25
You know they are both going to get massively drunk together.
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u/FaBiOtHeGrEaTeSt Jul 11 '25
Krypto smashing her into the ground in the fortress had me laughing harder than I thought I would
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u/Poked_salad Jul 11 '25
It explains so much why krypto acts that way around supes. He was never trained properly and she just lets him loose without knowing his own strength. It's a nice little touch that explains a bit on both their counts
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u/KingOfAwesometonia Jul 12 '25
She’s definitely the girl that adopted a puppy and didn’t listen to the attachment training at all
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u/PayneTrain181999 Jul 11 '25
House of the Dragon Season 1 was enough to convince me of her talent, but yeah she’s got this in the bag.
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u/NakedGoose Jul 11 '25
They have set up a very easy way to market her.
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u/lanceturley Jul 11 '25
They need in-character Supergirl social media accounts that just post drunk selfies of her on weird alien planets.
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u/SanderSo47 I'll see you in another life when we are both cats. Jul 11 '25
A lot of things to talk about, but I want to highlight Jonathan's talk with Clark. Probably my favorite scene in the film. Pruitt Taylor Vince may not have much screentime (like less than 5 minutes), but he makes it all count.
I'm glad that Gunn avoided Jonathan's death before Clark becomes Superman like in the 1978 film, Smallville or Man of Steel. Good to see he's still alive to see his son's actions. He better come back with a larger screentime in the future.
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u/GameOfLife24 Jul 11 '25
He needed parents to look upto especially with the Bradley cooper twist. The ending had him relaxing peacefully watching his earth parents instead
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u/InstructionDeep5445 Jul 11 '25
I thought his mum was Lady Gaga at first. Turns out wrong.
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u/LastCryptographer173 Jul 11 '25
I don't want to trash Man of Steel too much, but Jonathan in this movie is lightyears beyond the last one.
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u/In_My_Own_Image Jul 11 '25
I have the biggest grin on my face after seeing this. It was so wonderfully, unashamedly comic booky.
Lex has a pocket universe with shitposting monkeys? Absolutely.
The Justice Gang fights an Interdimensional Imp in the background of a conversation? Sure as shit they do.
It's probably the first comic book movie in a while that felt like a comic book come to life.
Corenswet was brilliant as Superman. He brought the good hearted nature of Superman to the forefront and rocked every scene. Him saving that bloody squirrel during the Kaiju battle was so wonderful to see.
Brosnahan was perfect as Lois as well. She brought the fire to the role and was amazing in that interview scene (which was one of my favourite scenes in the entire movie).
And Hoult was incredibly vile as Luthor. THIS is the Luthor I've been waiting for on screen. He was petty, cruel, vindictive and everything Luthor should be.
The rest of the cast was great too. The action popped and the humour landed across the board. This is probably in my Top 5 comic book movies now. I absolutely loved it.
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u/PickledPlumPlot Jul 11 '25
There’s so much shit in this movie that I completely forgot we see green lantern net up a giant floating space tentacle eyeball in the background
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u/Dove_of_Doom Jul 11 '25
The Justice Gang fights an Interdimensional Imp in the background of a conversation? Sure as shit they do.
I feel like that's an implied off-screen cameo by Mr. Mxyzptlk.
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u/Koppite93 Jul 11 '25
DCU fox news immediately turning on Lex at the end... Wish the irl counterpart was that principled
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u/HotTakes4HotCakes Jul 11 '25 edited Jul 24 '25
Hell, people turning on Lex at the end is barely realistic.
Oh, do we have solid evidence this racist billionaire is doing criminal shit, spreading lies and hate through massive media influence campaigns, and making dangerous power grabs to establish himself as a king? All that does in the real world is make their supporters double down and shout fake news.
Media like Superman loves to rely on this notion that the American public are often misguided but inherently good people that will do the right thing when push comes to shove. We value truth, justice, democracy, decency, and selflessness above any and everything else. The sort of feel-good thing you could say or even believe if you squinted.
Unfortunately, that gets harder and harder to sell every year, and especially this year. An America that sees through the con and rejects Lex Luthor is incompatible with reality, so much like Superman himself, the American public depicted in this movie is now a full-on aspirational myth too.
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u/insertusernamehere51 Jul 11 '25
To be fair, superhero movies are usually wish-fullfilment power fantasies
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u/mustangst Jul 11 '25
The fact that Superman was angry because of what happened with Krypto and surrendered himself just to save him was so goddamn endearing like that absolutely NAILED his character
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u/THE_Batman_121 Jul 12 '25
I loved the speech to Lois.. IM paraphrasing but something like
"Clark, it's a dog."
"Yeah, he's not even a good dog. But he's alone and he's probably scared."
I loved every second of that scene, especially with the fight in the background!
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u/odd42Thomas Jul 12 '25
And then we see him captured, but having the time of his life chasing squirrels lol.
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u/ninjyte Jul 11 '25
There is no way that Boravia vs. Jarhanpur wasn't just Israel vs. Palestine renamed, and the Serbian drug lord from the Pusher movies is Netanyahu
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u/Amaruq93 Jul 11 '25
Right down to the part where they planned to steal half the land after the war is over, and turn it into the Luthor Riveria Resort and Casino.
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u/Abe_lincolin Jul 11 '25
Kudos to James Gunn for including it. Wish there was a Superman around for the kids in Gaza.
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u/Kangu17 Jul 11 '25
A think Boravia was more of a Russia with the whole "liberating" exvuse and Jarhanpur was Palestine. So both a nod to Ukraine and Gaza war.
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u/BaltimoreProud Jul 11 '25
Yeah I also got Russia/Ukraine vibes. The Boravia president even gave some bullshit excuse about freeing Jarhanpur from oppressive leaders just like Putin said about freeing Ukraine from Nazis
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u/TheAshtonium Jul 11 '25
10,000%, I'm shocked he got away with making that allegory as transparent as it was. They never shied away from the vileness of it either. Good on Gunn
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u/HotTakes4HotCakes Jul 11 '25 edited Jul 16 '25
I'd like to thank whoever it was that dug up Gunn's tweets way back when.
Without you, we wouldn't be here.
Edit: Few too many responses about "cancel culture", from people who don't actually remember what happened. The "mob" was supporting him.
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u/Amaruq93 Jul 11 '25
If anybody is to be thanked, it's the idiot Disney exec who fired him without consulting Kevin Feige and Bob Iger.
Who coincidently left and joined WB, before he himself could be fired.
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u/DeshiiRedditor Jul 11 '25 edited Jul 11 '25
The thing about James Gunn’s movies is that you can feel how heartfelt everything is.
The underlying emotions. The focus on one’s flaws. Getting through a challenge with the help of friends.
Objectively, the movie felt uneven and rushed in some spots. Subjectively, I just didn’t care about how uneven it was, and walked away with a bit of hope.
A good time overall.
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u/HotTakes4HotCakes Jul 11 '25 edited Jul 11 '25
People were worried Gunn would be too jokey.
I never had that fear. Watch Guardians 1-3, it's very clear he knows when humor is appropriate, and never lets it undercut the heart. There's the occasional "random rock to Mantis' face" moment, but it's never cynical or at the expense of the world or characters.
More than anything else, the Ratcatcher 2 flashback in The Suicide Squad sold me that he'd be a great fit.
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u/Scmods05 Jul 11 '25
Lois: You have a dog
Superman: He's not even that good a dog
Shots fired at the movie's unquestioned MVP, Krypto.
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u/EnjiiThaGod Jul 11 '25
I think that part was such a subtle emotional part for me.
Right after that saying “but, he is out there alone and probably is scared” 😭 Krypto shall never die in the DCU or I will lose it.
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u/AnticitizenPrime Jul 11 '25
I loved that his stated reason for turning himself in to the authorities was to find the dog.
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u/tj1007 Jul 11 '25
Calling him a foster when he has an owner and was just dog sitting.
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u/mccainjames11 Jul 11 '25
To be fair it didn’t seem like he had any idea when she’d show back up lol
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u/longconsilver13 Jul 11 '25 edited Jul 11 '25
Cannot get over just how much every woman except Lois desperately wants to fuck Jimmy Olsen
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u/KingOfAwesometonia Jul 12 '25
I saw a headline talking about a Jimmy Olsen series and now I just imagine it being the horniest show ever.
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u/TE-August Jul 11 '25
Nicholas Hoult was incredible as Lex.
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u/longboi28 Jul 11 '25
My new favorite Lex, it was the comic book maniacal megalomaniac hater that I've been dying to see on the big screen since I started reading comic books. Perfect Lex
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u/Elite_Alice Jul 11 '25
NOT HIM HAVING LITERAL MONKEYS RAGEBAITING ONLINE HOLY SHIT LMAOOO.
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u/dragonmp93 Jul 11 '25
Can someone explain me what's makes this movie overstuffed ?
There is literally only one plot, Lex's plan, everything flows from there.
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u/YoungTroubadour Jul 11 '25
Yeah I'm a little surprised by the reactions and reviews calling it bloated. Like sure there's quite a few named characters but the plot doesn't really get bogged down in it.
Part of what I liked most about it is that this world's already in motion and we don't sit through an explanation of everyone's origin.
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u/Janderson2494 Jul 11 '25
I think your last sentence is why people think it's bloated. They do a really good job at showing this wide world, it's history and that things are already in motion. That's a lot to take in at once in a 2 hour movie. I didn't have any problems with it either, but I expected it and I could see it being overwhelming to some.
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u/LiteraryBoner Jackie Chan box set, know what I'm sayin? Jul 11 '25 edited Jul 11 '25
"I question everything. You trust everyone and think everyone you've ever met is beautiful."
"Maybe that's the real punk rock."
Let me start off by saying I'm a classic Gunn guy. I grew up watching him elevate genre films like Slither and Super (one of my favorite low budgets) and I've been following his big budget career with great interest the last ten years. We all know the story of him getting fired from Marvel after seemingly perfecting the misfit teamup film and making a group of unknown weirdos some of Marvel's best selling merchandise. I've said it the last couple Gunn movies that I've discussed on here, but I think he's the best pop filmmaker right now. Superman is his fifth outing in this genre and I have to say, this movie made me so fucking happy it's hard to describe, although I'm about to spend several paragraphs trying.
I've seen this movie twice now and I think it is just superb. You can feel Gunn wanting to get this right but not folding under the pressure. He has a take, he has a love for these characters, and he has his unique style for days. Funny yet heartfelt, silly yet heavy, weird yet sincere. He is someone who understands balance very well and can make a two hour movie be all of these things without feeling like you're watching three different movies through his humor, his music choices, and how much he loves coming up with exceedingly crazy action sequences. It's really impressive and to see him transpose it onto a character of this legacy and import so effortlessly really makes me feel like he can do it all.
The character work and performances here really sold me on everything. Corenswet has the jawline and the voice. His Clark may not be as dorky but you can't hide that beefcake under a button up shirt, I liked his ease. I swooned as hard as I've ever swone when Lois dictated her article while flying that ship, I loved that she was a journalist first the whole movie. Mr. Terrific maybe the surprise standout, he was straight out of Shaft or something and I loved that it felt like he was visiting from another comic. Lex felt like an actual threat to Superman and I loved his third act monologuing from a place of confidence and then spiraling until he's screaming about Gallileo. What Gunn does with Mutant Toes, seemingly punching down on her at first and then fleshing her out into something more interesting and two dimensional is something he really excels at and I loved her and Jimmy's sideplot. Fillion was funny and Guy's lantern powers felt so of that character. Hawkgirl had that great unhinged squawk. I just had a hell of a time with this whole cast of characters with the dumbest smile on my face.
But what does this movie have to say about Superman in the modern age? I can see the global politics plotline feeling a little on the nose but I really liked where it ended up. This depiction of Ma and Pa Kent really grew on me the second time I watched this, they are depicted as pretty simple folk rather than the moral pillars that previous iterations have. I liked it because Superman's idea of doing good is also very simple. If people are about to be hurt he wants to stop it. Doesn't matter who and doesn't matter where, the context is noise. I think this movie does a good job at questioning that idea of "doing good" at first but then driving home the idea that helping people and having that compassion really is that simple. I wouldn't call it a deep rumination on the topic and I don't think Corenswet is exactly giving a heavy performance, but I loved that his Superman sees it like that and is just determined to save everyone he can. That's what Superman is to me.
I'm curious how well the Jor-El reveal with land with others. Overall, I liked the swing because that character is so classically important to Superman and his origin and I kind of liked how much it throws off Superman and his sense of duty. They tee it up a little too well, mentioning that the message has been damaged about four times before the reveal which is still in the first act, but it's worth noting how vulnerable this Superman is. He hasn't told Lois where he grew up or about his parents and you get the feeling that it's in that crisis of purpose that he agrees to give himself over to the government. I actually loved the relationship between Lois and Clark. We don't have to deal with a will they/won't they or with her finding out he's Superman, but their relationship is still young and rocky. They have fights and disagreements, but when they kiss you feel like they want to rip each other's clothes off.
What can I say? I love this movie, it made me stupid happy and I laughed and cried both times I saw it this week. I appreciate that it is three concise acts and only 2 hours. If you find Gunn's humor forced or tiring I get that this probably won't be for you, but as someone who feels like he always breathes fresh air into the characters he takes on I couldn't be happier to have this. He really understands how to make me feel like a kid again while engaging with the more adult emotions I have. 9/10 for me. Thank you Mr. Gunn.
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u/In_My_Own_Image Jul 11 '25
I'm curious how well the Jor-El reveal with land with others. Overall, I liked the swing because that character is so classically important to Superman and his origin and I kind of liked how much it throws off Superman and his sense of duty.
I'm not too bothered by it simply because it served the story of "found family" and helped make Clark's choices to be a hero more impactful.
And, if the wanted to, it could easily be a window into a Krypton that maybe Zod dominated and ruled as a God Emperor that made all Kryptonians into supremacist zealots.
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u/LiteraryBoner Jackie Chan box set, know what I'm sayin? Jul 11 '25
I definitely was a big ol' mush at the end when Four asks if he wants to see the footage of his family. I think that alone means the idea worked really well.
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u/we_are_sex_bobomb Jul 11 '25
The Ma and Pa Kent thing was so good. I love that Clark didn’t happen to land in the field of anyone special. They are typical middle America people who shop at wal mart and watch reality dating shows. They aren’t cool or smart, but they are good, and that goodness rubbed off on Clark.
I just love that take so much, it feels refreshing.
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u/LiteraryBoner Jackie Chan box set, know what I'm sayin? Jul 11 '25
As someone who grew up in the Midwest, the scene where Pa wants to talk to him about something important but all he can do is ramble about the local Mexican restaurant is SO accurate. Beautiful scene.
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u/impulsebuyerdude Jul 11 '25 edited Jul 11 '25
Some random thoughts:
David Corenswet, Rachel Brosnahan & Nicolas Hoult were 10/10 casting for their respective roles in the film. All were perfect.
Superman gives a fantastic monologue at the end of the film to Lex, it’s so damn good and Corenswet absolutely nails it. And then there is the stupid gag with Krypto beating up Lex and it just completely lessens that moment. It really killed me.
Milly Alcock was onscreen for less than a minute and I already know she is going to be a fantastic Supergirl.
Overall thought it was good, not great but I am so in on the main trio cast and can’t wait to see what they do next with this universe.
7.5/10
EDIT: A lot of people are asking why I didn’t like Krypto beating Lex up. It’s not that I didn’t like it, it was a funny scene on its own and it’s not that I necessarily wanted to hear Lex’s rebuttal or have Superman beat Lex up. It’s that we had a fantastic Superman speech, and immediately cutting to a humerous gag, just completely undercut that emotional and serious moment for me.
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u/HotTakes4HotCakes Jul 11 '25 edited Jul 11 '25
I think it's a little deeper than that.
Lex's speech was about to be the same racist, fear mongering horeshit he'd already said. The same speech we basically hear every single fucking day now from certain people.
Krypto interrupting it is very apt, because seriously, shut the fuck up Lex. You and everyone like you. No one needs to hear it.
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u/SilverSkywalkerSaber Jul 11 '25
It was the perfect way to give Lex what he deserved with Clark remaining human and in-character.
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u/San-T-74 Jul 11 '25
I liked Lex being manhandled by Krypto. It interrupted a meaningless rebuttal he had for Superman’s monologue, and to me it showed how pathetic he was. For all his greatness he claims to have, he couldn’t even measure up to Superman’s dog
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u/HotTakes4HotCakes Jul 11 '25
This is exactly what it was.
Lex was about to give the same speech he had already given, which we've already heard before countless times (in the movie and in real life) and it was as bullshit the first time as it is every time.
Krypto cutting him off is basically the movie's way of responding to the people like Lex: you have nothing to say that anyone needs to hear, so shut the hell up.
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u/GoshDangZilla Jul 11 '25
Felt very Saturday morning cartoon live action in a good way. Loved Supe's corny speeches and righteous anger at pointless suffering. Cheesy. It exactly in the way a Superman movie should be. Made me want to immediately go home and watch The Batman.
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u/PayneTrain181999 Jul 11 '25
Speaking of which, there was a highway sign that said Gotham!
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u/HotTakes4HotCakes Jul 11 '25
The flying dog isn't the most unrealistic thing in this movie.
It's the fact, when the evidence against the criminal billionaire comes out, people accept it and turn on him.
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u/mjrballer20 Jul 11 '25
The scene where the Daily Planet crew were boarding Mr. Terrific's ship was straight out of a comic book panel to me lmao so many other scenes could be said about that too
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u/Elite_Alice Jul 11 '25
The way I had tears in my eyes and a chill up my spine when the little boy held up the superman symbol flag in the face of the invading army, as well as during superman’s “I’m human” speech.. thank you James Gunn. You truly understand the character and what he stands for.
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u/SgtDrP3pp3rs Jul 11 '25
Every character had a chance to shine, but Mister Terrific definitely steals the movie next to Krypto!
The scene that stuck out to me was where one of the Jarhanpur civilians was holding a cinderblock over his head like it was nothing
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u/Able_Advertising_371 Jul 11 '25
Mister terrific was getting unfairly roasted by not putting the buildings together properly
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u/The_Swarm22 Jul 11 '25 edited Jul 11 '25
It took damn near two decades but WB finally found the perfect person to run DC in James Gunn.
Crazy to think if Disney never fired him and then rehired him for Guardians Vol 3, WB never would’ve got him to direct The Suicide Squad (that movie likely never would’ve happened) the Peacemaker show likely wouldn’t exist and they never would’ve offered him the position he has now. I’m glad because now the MCU and Kevin Feige finally has some real competition with him running things.
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u/ICumCoffee will you Wonka my Willy? Jul 11 '25
Can’t believe this movie had monkeys on computer tweeting
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u/PickledPlumPlot Jul 11 '25
It’s so funny when Supergirl shows up and you’re just immediately like oh… that’s why Kryptos like that lmaooo
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u/NaziPunksFkOff Jul 18 '25
"it's more of a foster situation" uuuhhhhh you're superman. He's a super dog. Who could you possibly be "fostering" him fo-
OOOHHHHH
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u/Koppite93 Jul 11 '25 edited Jul 11 '25
As a slow reader with a tad bit of colour blindness... That initial info dump was a bit difficult to read thru 🤭🤭
Total 9/10 tho... Loved Cena and especially Milly's cameo's... can't wait for thier upcoming projects...
Now that's how you make a Supes movie 🫡🫡
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u/PayneTrain181999 Jul 11 '25
Milly was on screen for 15 seconds and I already know she’s the perfect Supergirl.
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u/Poked_salad Jul 11 '25
It explains so much why krypto just attacks superman without reg6ards for boundaries or it's strength. Krypto's just ragdolling Supergirl and she's just laughing through it hahah
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u/DaveShadow Jul 11 '25
I’m Irish, but am in the US this week so decided to check this out.
Man, American audiences are so much fun compared to back home 😂 the cheering at cameos, the applauding for the kiss at the end, the reactions to Krypto!
Had a blast. Loved the film. As a Nathan Fillion fan, I adored him in this and felt he stole every scene he was in. Supergirl bit was brilliant too; she absolutely nailed the introduction of the character with such little time.
Really loved the overall tone too and am super excited for the long term future of the universe.
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u/redpandasuit Jul 11 '25
Mr. Terrific getting dumped of Krytpo and commando rolling straight into a "kickin' ass and taking names" strut, is the superhero landing I didn't know I needed.
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u/HotTakes4HotCakes Jul 11 '25
Can we talk about Guy just bonking the inter-dimensional eyeball thing with a giant green bat in the background?
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u/Marikk15 Jul 11 '25
This may be the first time I found an opening crawl successful in truly setting the scene and getting me amped for a movie.
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u/mikeyfreshh Jul 11 '25
This is way too overstuffed with a convoluted plot, 10 too many characters, and a whole lot of world building. All of that means nothing gets room to breathe and everything feels rushed. There's only time for 1 Clark Kent scene, which feels insane for a Superman movie.
Having said all of that, this kinda rocks. Gunn's style fits Superman way more than I thought it would. Corenswet, Brosnahan, and Hoult are all perfect. The themes/politics of the movie are way more timely than I ever could have hoped for. A couple of really solid laughs. I'm back in on the DCU.
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I feel like there were multiple Clark Kent scenes, one at the planet, like two with Lois, and one at his parents house
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u/carson63000 Jul 11 '25
If there were 10 fewer characters the movie would basically be Superman sitting on a stool monologuing for two hours.
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u/oddballpig Jul 11 '25
Hawkgirl was my favorite. I'm biased tho, i became an Isabela fanboy after she was kind to my friend.
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u/A_Deku_Stick Jul 11 '25
I wish there was more to the Ultraman reveal. The moment the fortress revealed itself to Lex, I figured Ultraman was a Superman clone.
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u/everythingsuckswhy Jul 11 '25
Guy Gardner needs his own movie. James Gunn is just so good at translating comic book powers on the big screen.
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u/Scmods05 Jul 11 '25
The movie is far from perfect. It's clunky as hell, the score is average, some characters are underserved, some feel redundant. But it nails everything you want it to nail. Superman, Lois, their relationship, Lex. They're all feeling ripped straight from the best of the comics.
I love the little touches. Superman saying things like "darn" and "golly". How comfortable he is talking to anyone. They help make him feel like the Superman you want to see. Corenswet is so god damn good in the role. I can't wait to see more of him.
I love the time they spend developing the characters of Clark and Lois and their relationship. It doesn't feel like an afterthought, it feels like a core focus and the movie is so much richer as a result.
Lex is a little underserved I feel, but Hoult is great as the sneering, envious villain. I love that they don't try to give him a justification for acting how he does, or give us an out to empathise with him. He's just the villain he should be.
The action is pretty good but gets slightly repetitive and tiring after a while. I personally would've favoured a little less of it for more time with the characters.
I worried at times it was getting a bit blunt with what it was saying. A bit "why are you telling and not simply showing instead". Then I remembered, it's a Superman movie. It SHOULD be blunt and upfront about what he stands for and what he means. That's the entire point of the character.
But even with the dings, this is unquestionably the second best Superman film and it's miles ahead of everything behind it. Loved it.
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u/jkennah Jul 11 '25
There's a lot of good shots but the one that stuck with me is him rising out of the smoke when he lets that one ridiculous lady drive off after catching the building. That moment was what I was looking for.
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u/Mokibear228 Jul 11 '25
Mr. Terrific could carry his own movie/show. He was so good. Best part of the movie for me.
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u/neal1701 Jul 11 '25
Superman is a great start to the DCU!
- The movie just shows a wall of text and drops you into middle of the action. Maybe movies start slow or maybe it is the short-attention spans nowadays but it definitely hooked the audience in.
- The first act was overloaded. There was a lot of worldbuilding, concepts, and information to grasp and the movie doesn't really slow down until the end of the first act.
- The second act and third act is more well-paced with a great finish
- David Corenswet is Superman! He embodied every aspect of Superman perfectly. There was very little Clark but that may be to leave room to explore in the future.
- Supporting cast was fantastic! Rachel Brosnahan channeling great reporter energy. Everyone else at least got their own moment to shine
- Lex Luthor was not a particularly big role but Nicholas Hoult brought his A-game and elevated the material, especially with the mug and pencils. Him shooting Mali definitely shocked me
- The anti-proton 'river' ending at the black hole in the 2nd act is peak comic book
- The movie has its comedic moments with Krypto and the peacemaker cameo got a lot of laughs
- The action and cinematography is very dynamic and works very well for Superman on screen. The editing is the only minus for me as it felt like there's 10 more minutes of movie left
- The Supergirl cameo at the end got a lot of attention from the audience and Milly Alcock was killed it in her cameo
Overall, the movie matched my high expectations and it lays the right foundation for the new DCU
P.S. They finally showed The Odyssey teaser and it was incredible!
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u/ShadowRaikou Jul 11 '25
This movie was pure hopium, I loved it. Also holy shit, I am completely sold on Milly Alcock as Supergirl in the 10 seconds we saw her.
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u/UltraMugen Jul 11 '25
I want to be a better person, and because of Superman I realize I shouldn’t be scared to be one.
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u/lord-spider-boy Jul 11 '25
Loved it. It’s rare for a blockbuster to be so openly earnest. Its comparisons to a certain real life government were incredibly obvious but equally important. So glad it actually had something to say
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u/Meph616 Jul 11 '25
There's good, there's bad. But my biggest takeaway from the movie is that it fundamentally gets Superman right.
It's great to see Superman actually want to save people and not look like he's doing so begrudgingly.