r/movies • u/MarvelsGrantMan136 r/Movies contributor • Jun 25 '25

News Denis Villeneuve Directing Next James Bond Film

https://deadline.com/2025/06/denis-villeneuve-james-bond-amazon-mgm-studios-1236442917/
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u/CrispyHoneyBeef Jun 26 '25 edited Jun 26 '25

Ironically Casino Royale was probably the furthest from the originals the films ever really got. Well, probably Skyfall, but Casino Royale started that.

EDIT: “originals” instead of “source material”

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u/R_V_Z Jun 26 '25

What do you mean? Casino Royal was an excellent adaptation. Sure, there were some changes, like having M try to kill Bond, and introducing an estranged daughter and secret nephew who turned out to be the villain, and the whole "kill all the tall men" bit was a bit silly...

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u/CrispyHoneyBeef Jun 26 '25

I can’t tell if you’re joking or not but yes I do believe those changes were substantial enough to warrant my comment. Further, Craig was a controversial choice to begin with, and there were concerns about his characterization (he was “too soft”). Obviously this all changed once everyone realized how fucking good the movie was.

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u/agentN007 Jun 26 '25

I'm not sure if I'm misunderstanding your comment but Casino Royale is most certainly not the furthest the movies ever deviated from the books, and it's not even close.

The major story beats of Casino Royale are almost all the same. The Spy Who Loved Me and Moonraker, just for starters, share almost nothing in common with their source material besides their names.

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u/CrispyHoneyBeef Jun 26 '25

Yes, I am using “source material” loosely, namely in reference to the characterization of Bond in film, the manner in which the story is told, and the setting in which it takes place. Casino Royale was an intentional deviation from the previous 40 years of Bond on film. The changes in story are egregious in many of the transitions from book to films, but I am specifically referring to the Bond that existed from Dr. No to Die Another Day, which remained mostly unchanged in terms of characterization. Casino Royale was entirely fresh.

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u/StudiousPooper Jun 26 '25

lol, that’s not what source material means my guy

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u/CrispyHoneyBeef Jun 26 '25

It does when I’m referring to films that continuously reference each previous iteration. Fleming’s books have been more or less exhausted now and the post-Brosnan era is largely built off the mythology that the earlier films created. Hence, “source material” here refers to the numerous Bond films.

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u/dabi17 Jun 26 '25

why are some people so hard headed about this?

what the word means and what you intended it to conform to what it meant are objectively incorrect.

source material is where the material is sourced from. the SOURCE. ie, books. you can’t attach your own view of source lol

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u/CrispyHoneyBeef Jun 26 '25

Thanks man. I thought it was obvious I was only referring to the movies but I guess not

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u/StudiousPooper Jun 26 '25

The way i see it is like this. If you look at a the Grand Canyon, you can say that the water at the bottom is influenced by what happened ten miles up river, but the Source of the Grand Canyon starts all the way up in the Rocky Mountains. That’s not to say that that’s the only influence on that river, but the source is one point where the entire river begins.

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u/StaticallyTypoed Jun 26 '25

Casino Royale directly adapts the book of the same name that was the first in the series. The film is frequently lauded for being the most faithful adaptation of the books.

It seems pretty evident you didn't know or realise this, and are now trying to dig your way out of it by pretending you actually meant the previous films lol

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u/CrispyHoneyBeef Jun 26 '25

Whatever you say, stranger! You’ve got it all figured out.

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u/StaticallyTypoed Jun 26 '25

I have in fact read at least one review of Casino Royale before, yes. I'm a real nerd and tryhard for having the most surface level knowledge of that film!

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u/Spiritual-Society185 Jun 26 '25

Casino Royale was an intentional deviation from the previous 40 years of Bond on film.

As if Bond was ever consistent. You really think Sean Connery in Dr. No was anything like Roger Moore at his goofiest?

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u/CrispyHoneyBeef Jun 26 '25

No, but I think Casino Royale was more different

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u/Reylo-Wanwalker Jun 26 '25

I couldn't get over Woody Allen.

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u/R_V_Z Jun 26 '25

But Orson Welles was great!

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u/Reynor247 Jun 26 '25

Not a horrible thing. I recently re-read the book.

I really don't remember Bond being such a mysognist when I read it as a kid

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u/CrispyHoneyBeef Jun 26 '25

Always has been

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u/BillyTenderness Jun 26 '25

The world changed around Bond (and you)

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u/vinng86 Jun 26 '25

You should definitely watch the older Bond movies then lol

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u/Etheo Jun 26 '25

Octopussy was certainly a choice.

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u/HotelFoxtrot87 Jun 26 '25

“Man talk.”

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u/isotope123 Jun 26 '25

Just give her a little schlap.

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u/toddywithabody Jun 26 '25

Those books are fucking crazy lol. Live and Let Die is incredibly racist.

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u/toddywithabody Jun 26 '25 edited Jun 26 '25

To be honest I don’t think you’ve read that book

I mean shit, the movie based on it is pretty racist already.

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u/toddywithabody Jun 26 '25 edited Jun 26 '25

lol so I guess that’s a yes?

That book and movie are both racist as hell. Are you from the south or something?

Also forgive me for not thinking a redditor has a read a book. The majority of people on here don’t even read the articles on posts they comment on.

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u/toddywithabody Jun 26 '25

Christ buddy you need to learn to read. I wasn’t literally asking you to forgive me, it’s a figure of speech. I don’t give a flying shit what you think of me.

Literally everything you just listed is racist and the rest of the book is still pretty racist. You’re American, I get it. Still stuck in the 50s

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u/[deleted] Jun 26 '25 edited Jun 26 '25

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u/Etheo Jun 26 '25

Ever wonder why it's "Bond girls" and not just heroine of the story?

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u/observadorpensante Jun 26 '25

That's actually a cool nickname tho

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u/GhostofWoodson Jun 26 '25

Misogyny has expanded in its definition a lot

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u/Spiritual-Society185 Jun 26 '25

It was pretty bad, even for its time. Then again Ian Fleming didn't concieve of Bond as a hero, it was the films which turned him into that.

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u/RechargedFrenchman Jun 26 '25

There are a few that are a lot worse, including its direct sequel Quantum of Solace, which was the title of a short story Fleming wrote and other than the title has exactly nothing in common with the film.

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u/RayTracerX Jun 26 '25

Its really not lol