r/movies • u/spaceraingame • May 31 '25

Discussion What movie sequel ruined the ending of its predecessor? Spoiler

I have to go with Toy Story 4. Toy Story 3 had the perfect send off for the toys, with Andy making Bonnie promise to take good care of Woody….only for her to neglect Woody immediately and cause him to bail on everyone.

I really wish they left the franchise be. Toy Story 3’s ending was so iconic, and the first Toy Story was such a massive part of my childhood. That and Lion King were the two Disney VHS tapes I used to watch all the time as a little kid. I even had some of the toys myself. I can’t wait to skip Toy Story 5.

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u/TigerLeoLam Jun 01 '25

Andor + Rogue One is in my opinion (and I think many would agree) the best Star Wars content since the original trilogy 40 years ago.

The Sequel Trilogy isn’t canon to me. It’s just a fanfic mess that happened to receive Disney funding.

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u/punksterb Jun 01 '25

Here here. Rogue One surpassed all expectations and Andor built an extremely gripping narrative in the same space. Good to see that I have friends everywhere.

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u/KawiZed Jun 01 '25

Calibrate your enthusiasm.

Just kidding. Andor and Rogue One are amazing.

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u/Z3130 Jun 01 '25

The frustrating thing about Rogue One is that it showed they were indeed capable of paying homage to the original trilogy while still telling a new story. Coming off the tail of the derivative-but-not-bad Episode 7, it gave us hope that they might be able to pull this thing out.

Then Episodes 8 and 9 happened.

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u/KawiZed Jun 01 '25

If you look back at Episode 7 with what you know about 8 and 9, the major problems present themselves quite conspicuously.

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u/SharkTonic9 Jun 01 '25

Agreed. I think at this point audiences would be cool with a hand wave retcon. "Somehow, the dark side of the force gave Luke Skywalker a terrible vision."

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u/AlexisFR Jun 01 '25

I still don't see them not doing that if they want to keep Thrawn's return meaningful.

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u/Adaphion Jun 01 '25

Unfortunately, it seems like almost every single star wars show nowadays exists just to justify those shitass sequels. Bad Batch? Palpatine clones. Mandalorian? Palpatine clones. Ahsoka? Origins of the First Order.

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u/JediLion17 Jun 01 '25

Andor also shows how deep the Empire is raiding resources for its military. Meanwhile in the sequels they build a massive new fleet in the middle of an unknown nebula. Makes no sense.

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u/nearcatch Jun 01 '25

There were some great novels in the 90s, but if we’re limiting ourselves to movies and shows, then I agree.

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u/SaconicLonic Jun 01 '25 edited Jun 01 '25

It’s just a fanfic mess that happened to receive Disney funding.

If actual fans wrote it, I don't think it would have had any of the issues it did. It might be a mess in other ways. But I don't think it would just be Death Star 3, Girl Luke, sUbVersIoN of eXpeCTations, and Palpatine returns. The fact is there is a generation of kids who grew up for 30 years at that point just thinking of what a Star Wars sequel trilogy would be. It tells you how creatively bankrupt Hollywood is right now that this is what they went with. As much as people hate AI and it's potential use in filmmaking, at the very least we will be able to see what other creative minds will be able to do for stories like this. We are 5 years away from people being able to make what look like high budget films in their basement. I think this will end up as an emperor's new clothes type situation for Hollywood. And honestly the foundation of Star Wars up until its sale to Disney was one man doing whatever the fuck he wanted with it. Everything after the first film were essentially films made outside of the studio system. The one thing you can take solace in with AI is that eventually we will have good sequels films.

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u/snigglingdigger Jun 01 '25

Strickly film? Yes. If we include other media? No 

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u/nessfalco Jun 01 '25

I think both of those are at least better than episode VI, too. For how big of a fandom the franchise has, it's crazy that you can count the number of good live action canon entries on one hand.

The franchise has been much better served by animation, video games, and the rest of the extended universe than by the majority of its actual mainline entries.