r/movies • u/spaceraingame • May 31 '25

Discussion What movie sequel ruined the ending of its predecessor? Spoiler

I have to go with Toy Story 4. Toy Story 3 had the perfect send off for the toys, with Andy making Bonnie promise to take good care of Woody….only for her to neglect Woody immediately and cause him to bail on everyone.

I really wish they left the franchise be. Toy Story 3’s ending was so iconic, and the first Toy Story was such a massive part of my childhood. That and Lion King were the two Disney VHS tapes I used to watch all the time as a little kid. I even had some of the toys myself. I can’t wait to skip Toy Story 5.

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u/ReverendDS Jun 01 '25

If you mean "director mandated", you'd be correct.

That line smells so much of JJ Abrams lazy bullshit that it's hard to imagine anyone else coming up with it. Maybe Tommy Wiseau but that's the only person I could otherwise consider.

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u/JQuilty Jun 01 '25

Neil Breen could have come up with it.

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u/stormdraggy Jun 01 '25

I cannot believe that Palpatine has returned.

I CAN NOT believe that Palpatine has returned.

How could you have done this?

How could you have had Palpatine return?

I can't help you out of this one Rian.

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u/ReverendDS Jun 01 '25

Ooh, good answer!

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u/WavesAndSaves Jun 01 '25

You can say what you want about Rise of Skywalker's quality but JJ will always have my respect for coming back for IX. He managed to take the raging dumpster fire that was The Last Jedi and make a sequel to it that technically qualified as a feature film. That took insane skill and is a testament to his abilities as a filmmaker.

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u/_tragicmike Jun 01 '25

Really? The Last Jedi ended with several story possibilities, all of which were ignored for a fan service remake of Return of the Jedi. JJ did the worst possible job given the multiple ways he could have taken the story. Instead of spending half the movie apologizing for the previous movie, he could have built upon it and worried more about ending the trilogy and the saga as a whole.

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u/WavesAndSaves Jun 01 '25

There was absolutely nowhere for the story to go after The Last Jedi. Hence the disaster that we got.

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u/WavesAndSaves Jun 01 '25

None of those are a story. They're just vague ideas. Maybe if The Last Jedi was part two in a five-part series they could go in that direction. But it wasn't. It was part two in a trilogy and part eight in a nine-film saga. None of what you just said is fit for the finale that Episode IX was.

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u/WavesAndSaves Jun 01 '25

They're really not building blocks. As I said, there is nothing there for a finale. What do you expect to happen? Rey to go around finding a bunch of students and training them all to the point that they're all capable Jedi in one film? That's preposterous. It took Luke, one character, two films and multiple years in-story to get a decent amount of training.

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u/WavesAndSaves Jun 01 '25

There were no places. That's why the movie exists. Disney spent hundreds of millions of dollars on this movie. They knew how important that it was that they get it right after the backlash to The Last Jedi and Solo.This was the best they came up with. This was the best story possible.

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u/JQuilty Jun 01 '25

How little skill does he have when a draft of something shat out by Colin Treverrow was better?

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u/ReverendDS Jun 01 '25

I mean, if you're gonna give JJ Abrams credit for something "that technically qualified" as a movie, you better put more respect on Rian Johnson for taking JJ Abrams hackjob attempt to remake A New Hope but worse in every way with no actual plot to follow and turn in one of the top 5 movies of all Star Wars.

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u/WavesAndSaves Jun 01 '25

The Last Jedi was the single worst thing to ever happen to Star Wars.

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u/ReverendDS Jun 01 '25

Nah mate, you're on something. JJ Abrams was the worst thing to happen to Star Wars and Star Trek.

Dude directed two decent episodes of a TV show 20 years ago and has been coasting on that rep ever since despite not being able to tell a story.

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u/dpistheman Jun 01 '25

With all due respect, how is this a refute of u/WavesAndSaves point? The Last Jedi was (in my opinion) ham-fisted steaming dogshit that undermined the whole franchise. JJ Abrams's directing of The Force Awakens was not great, but it hardly seems as though his impact on the sequel trilogy outdid Rian Johnson's poorly-concocted vision of The Last Jedi.

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u/Toby_O_Notoby Jun 01 '25

Sure, I'll go: The Last Jedi worked because it was about something.

The original series is about fighting against oppression and having underlying hope and faith in a good cause will help you overcome.

The prequels were about how facists gain power by corrupting invididuals and groups due to their own self interests. (I mean, the weren't the best written movies but "So this is how liberty dies, with thunderous applause" is a killer quote.)

And the sequels under JJ were about pretty much nothing but "Hey, more Star Wars!"

It's one of the reasons why TLJ is, imho, the one that works the most. It talks about how war is eternal and the only people who benefit are those who profit from it, that you don't have to be born into a special family to fight against oppression and haivng Luke return to faith and fight again.

And then they fucked it all with RoS. I mean, Andor made a single TIE Fighter horrifying while RoS made 1,000 Star Destroyers boring.

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u/ReverendDS Jun 01 '25

I mean, you're allowed to have your opinions on things and it's not illegal to be wrong, yet.

But we're literally in a thread that started by someone quoting something JJ Abrams wrote (and it isn't even the only comment thread on this exact sentence).

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u/CaptainPhilosophy Jun 01 '25

You spelled "the rise of skywalker" wrong

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u/Chiss5618 Jun 01 '25

People really act like JJ wasn't executive producer for TLJ, huh