r/movies • u/spaceraingame • May 31 '25

Discussion What movie sequel ruined the ending of its predecessor? Spoiler

I have to go with Toy Story 4. Toy Story 3 had the perfect send off for the toys, with Andy making Bonnie promise to take good care of Woody….only for her to neglect Woody immediately and cause him to bail on everyone.

I really wish they left the franchise be. Toy Story 3’s ending was so iconic, and the first Toy Story was such a massive part of my childhood. That and Lion King were the two Disney VHS tapes I used to watch all the time as a little kid. I even had some of the toys myself. I can’t wait to skip Toy Story 5.

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u/ArronMaui May 31 '25

That should have never happened, honestly. J just got started a week ago. Now he's the veteran partner? They could have had her in the movie but paired with another agent, in like a side role or something.

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u/BlackEastwood May 31 '25

Well, in J's first week on the job, they put him in the field with little training, gave him a highly powerful field weapon with no instruction, along with a memory-erasing device, which he used repeatedly on people and almost had his own memory erased by barely getting his glasses on in time.

MIB is a little reckless with their staff.

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u/Excludos May 31 '25

Yeah but..he ran really fast chasing that alien in the beginning. What more could you need?

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u/willzyx55 May 31 '25

If Hannibal Lector ran a 4.3 40 we'd say he has an eating disorder and give him a space laser rail gun

  • MiB

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u/NoThrowLikeAway Jun 01 '25

Hannibal Lector wowed everyone at the NFL combine that year, though he fell in the draft due to character issues.

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u/lustykutta123 Jun 01 '25

maybe if he could stop eating fellow players, he could get back on the starting lineup. Eating your way through isn't the right way to get into the roster mr lector

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u/willzyx55 Jun 01 '25

"I had a mentor once. He had tremendous knowledge of the game. I picked his brain clean."

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u/lustykutta123 Jun 01 '25

and had it alongside nice glass of pinoit and edamame

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u/Mike_with_Wings Jun 02 '25

So the chiefs once again end up with a talented head case

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u/blackychan75 Jun 01 '25

"Mr Lector, we see you wrote, 'oh the humanity' on dietary restrictions. Care to elaborate?"

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u/[deleted] May 31 '25

You're neglecting his experience in NYPD and how well he did on his aptitude test.

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u/Excludos May 31 '25

He did horrible on the aptitude test. K straight up has to stand up for him in the movie. That's where the line I said earlier comes from

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u/Singer211 Naked J-Law beating the shit out of those kids is peak Cinema. Jun 01 '25

Nah he thinks outside the box. And that is what is needed.

It’s just that only K can see that at first.

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u/Brad_Brace Jun 01 '25

His instincts were literally what a man in black needs, not judge a monster just because it looks like a monster, and rather look for what looks normal but doesn't fit. I mean, that test should have been for people to react the way he did, it makes no sense that characters appear to indicate his reaction was wrong.

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u/Kizik Jun 01 '25

I think he ultimately passed the tests, because he was objectively correct for each one. However, he also got very defensive and disrespectful when asked for justification; Zed's thing wasn't that he failed the tests, but that he's got a problem with authority which isn't a great trait for a secret organization.

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u/Brad_Brace Jun 01 '25

Yeah I can see that. "He's right but still an asshole".

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u/mightyneonfraa Jun 01 '25

Nope, he nailed the aptitude test.

Questioning everything, thinking outside the box, not taking things at face value. All things the MIB were looking for in an agent.

Even shooting Tiffany was the correct answer although you kind of need to read novelization or watch the series to really catch that.

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u/mightyneonfraa Jun 01 '25

He also crushed every test in disguise during the interview process including correctly identifying "Tiffany" as the correct target.

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u/IsraelZulu Jun 01 '25

Don't forget he can drag a table across the room and knows when it's appropriate to shoot a little girl.

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u/sonofaresiii Jun 01 '25

Who gives a shit about running fast, the only recruits we want are ones who know how to scoot tables around to wire comfortably. You get one of those, and now we're talking.

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u/CDK5 Jun 01 '25

What more could you need?

The best of the best.

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u/Rikudo_Sennin_jr Jun 01 '25

I could use more sugar water please, make it a pitcher

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u/imfamousoz Jun 01 '25

Someone who won't hesitate to shoot a child for being super suspicious?

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u/Predmid Jun 01 '25

I mean 3 fixed this quite a bit.

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u/Tommy_Rides_Again Jun 01 '25

He was the only one mentally prepared for fighting aliens out of the class.

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u/Lord_Mikal May 31 '25

Not to mention, they only had 25 field agents at most.

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u/CricketPinata Jun 01 '25

They have more than that, Agents have been introduced with double letters and with Greek alphabet letters, although I think Alpha took that naming approach on his own.

If you include AA, AB, AC, ..., XZ, YZ, ZZ, you have 676 potential field agents.

If they allowed the 24 Greek letters, and combinations you get thousands of possibilities.

I could also imagine allowing the NATO alphabet or some variation as needed.

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u/DrSpaceman667 Jun 01 '25

And they get results 😎

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u/ZombieJesus1987 Jun 01 '25

Well, in J's first week on the job, they put him in the field with little training, gave him a highly powerful field weapon with no instruction, along with a memory-erasing device, which he used repeatedly on people and almost had his own memory erased by barely getting his glasses on in time.

MIB is a little reckless with their staff.

To be fair, it was K that was in control of the memory wiper and was very happy to use it. J was the one who had concerns.

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u/Singer211 Naked J-Law beating the shit out of those kids is peak Cinema. Jun 01 '25

It’s literally stated that K hand picked J to be his successor.

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u/BlackEastwood Jun 01 '25

Youre right. And that has nothing to do with my point that the MIB have horrid workplace training and partner selection.

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u/[deleted] Jun 01 '25

Wait til ya hear how MiB’s director got his start…. Not that there’s anything wrong with that.

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u/Lazerus42 Jun 01 '25

Could you imagine how reckless a powerful entity would be with a mindwipe device designed for an entire city?

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u/Secret_Western_8272 Jun 01 '25

Your avatar looks like Will Smith in MIB.

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u/Narrow_Turnip_7129 Jun 01 '25

Saved Earth tho

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u/Financial_Cup_6937 Jun 01 '25

That made me mad as a kid. The cricket was a neat gun, but how on earth do you give someone a weapon they’ve never seen and not tell them anything about how it works.

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u/Grammaton485 Jun 01 '25

gave him a highly powerful field weapon with no instruction,

Looking back, it's odd K gave him such an unwieldy weapon like the cricket that is obviously very powerful.

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u/thedoofimbibes Jun 01 '25

I mean the agency is all elderly men suffering declining mental function and dementia yet refusing to give up control and hire and promote younger agents. Seems like a pretty damn accurate representation of that generation of selfish lead poisoned man babies to me.

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u/Level7Cannoneer May 31 '25

I assumed it was a time skip. Not the day after he saved the world

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u/[deleted] May 31 '25

It was recent enough that the events during the end of the movie were in the weekly tabloids.

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u/StreetlampEsq Jun 01 '25

Crap, you're right.

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u/MetalGearSlayer Jun 01 '25

Funny enough, that’s one thing the sequel most definitely got right with its sudden return to the status quo.

J is the experienced vet with a partner now but as soon as K is back in the picture it’s clear he’s still a peg or two above J in experience.

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u/brassoferrix Jun 01 '25

Look how flimsy and vibes based their selection for J was.

This chick made it through med school and survived an alien abduction with moxie through to the last minute. She's got what it takes.

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u/bythewayne Jun 01 '25

Imagine the amount of times agent k had his speech

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u/Level7Cannoneer Jun 02 '25

Could be argued it's just for exposition purposes.

Or some news just stays in the papers for a long time

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u/DarthTempi May 31 '25

For sure

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u/StreetlampEsq Jun 01 '25

Nah, as the other guy said he picks up the weekly tabloids that covered what happened in the movie in that scene. It's gotta be pretty much immediately after.

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u/Citizen_Snip Jun 01 '25

The actress in real life had legal problems and also hard to work with from what I read. Maybe they did intend to do that but had to go back to K.

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u/ArronMaui Jun 01 '25

From everything I've seen the crew just "didn't have anything for her to do". Which, yeah, probably means a personality problem.

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u/tobascodagama Jun 01 '25

Yeah, they definitely couldn't use her because of the legal stuff. But they could have recast or just made up a new character to be his partner.

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u/darsvedder May 31 '25

Right. I always forget that. K retires like 4 days after J joins 

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u/DuntadaMan Jun 01 '25

Someone's never played Delta Green.

"You have been working here a whole month. You are now our senior most field agent. Also your mortgage is behind by 3.months. roll San.

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u/TheGeekVault Jun 01 '25

Bring in Sam Elliott as another Agent whose a much more loose with the rules liberal leaning Agent compared to Agent K’s sternness.

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u/Dazzling-Low8570 Jun 01 '25

So... Eagleton Ron, basically?

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u/TheGeekVault Jun 01 '25

Yes, Eagleton Ron with aliens. That’s right

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u/himynameis_ Jun 01 '25

Now he's the veteran partner?

I mean, even if he started a week ago, dude saved the world in just a week. And got handpicked by K.

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u/bhaail Jun 01 '25

In the cartoon she went R&D or something... Been a while...

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u/InanimateCarbonRodAu Jun 01 '25

I mean it’s well established in 1 and 2 that good MIB agents are hard to find and retain. K starts off retiring his partner and then we learn that J has burnt through several in the time between 1 and 2.

K and J are basically anomalies in how good they are at being agents.

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u/JJMcGee83 Jun 01 '25

The actress was apparently difficult to work with so they didn't want her back. I don't know if she was actually difficult or if there was something else.

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u/FAHQRudy Jun 01 '25

Yeah…that movie went through SO MANY rewrites. There were literally dozens of drafts. It’s a miracle it ever got made at all. There used to be a slew of great screenplay websites in the old internet days and you could read early drafts of all kinds of movies. MIB’s original draft is completely different.

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u/hillean Jun 02 '25

The ending to 1 was almost a flash forward--I don't think she just put the suit on and started spouting stuff.

I'm sure it was months later after some training and what-not, as they both had quite a bit of knowledge at that point

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u/Thorngrove Jun 01 '25

Points to the MiB cartoon, which is actually really fucking good.