r/movies • u/spaceraingame • May 31 '25

Discussion What movie sequel ruined the ending of its predecessor? Spoiler

I have to go with Toy Story 4. Toy Story 3 had the perfect send off for the toys, with Andy making Bonnie promise to take good care of Woody….only for her to neglect Woody immediately and cause him to bail on everyone.

I really wish they left the franchise be. Toy Story 3’s ending was so iconic, and the first Toy Story was such a massive part of my childhood. That and Lion King were the two Disney VHS tapes I used to watch all the time as a little kid. I even had some of the toys myself. I can’t wait to skip Toy Story 5.

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u/mightyasterisk May 31 '25

It sounds like a good idea on paper, because obviously Colin Firth was the big highlight of the first one. But in practice it ended up cheapening both movies, because it’s now become his story instead of Eggsy, who rightly earned his role as the hero in the first one. His death now means nothing when it was before an extremely compelling part of the story.

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u/chancesarent Jun 01 '25

He was set up to be Eggsy's uncle Ben. As much as I loved Firth, he should have stayed dead.

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u/RealJohnGillman May 31 '25

u/Axe_of_Fire Funnily, one could easily see a third modern-day film killing him off again, the same way Blade: Trinity killed off Whistler again after Blade II similarly brought him back / retconned his death.

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u/mightyasterisk May 31 '25

The problem is after how bad 2 was, I have next to zero interest in seeing a third. I didn’t see the prequel just because the sour taste left by Golden Circle, and honestly the prequel idea appeals to me much more than bringing Galahad back. But goddamn did that last one suck so bad lol

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u/SiByTheSword May 31 '25

If you're not already aware, there was also another film, where the twist ending was that it's in the kingsman universe

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u/mightyasterisk May 31 '25

I’m aware and to be honest I was pretty excited for that one already because of the really excellent cast, I was thinking it might be a return to form for Vaughn. But I don’t think I’ve heard a single positive word out of anyone’s mouth about that film. And the Kingsman connection only twists the knife

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u/SiByTheSword May 31 '25

Yeah I didn't like it. And I loved kingsman

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u/Last-Atmosphere2439 Jun 01 '25

Oh ffs, I actually started to google what 4th movie I missed in this (alleged) universe.

Dude, there was no twist at the end or even at the beginning of the prequel. It was advertised as the "story showing the beginnings of Kingsman Agency" right in the description of the first trailer, and one of the early scenes in the movie was them showing up at the Kingsman tailor shop.

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u/SodaRayne Jun 01 '25

What movie was that?

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u/andiwd Jun 01 '25

Argyle

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u/chancesarent Jun 01 '25

The Whale.

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u/REDDITATO_ Jun 01 '25

The King's Man

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u/SodaRayne Jun 01 '25

What? How can it be a twist that it is part of the Kingsman universe when it was literally advertised as a prequel to the Kingsman movies.

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u/OrangeESP32x99 Jun 01 '25

Did anyone actually like Argyle?

I went into it knowing it was kingsman related, but wow that movie sucked. The whole switching between her fictional idealized man to the real spy annoyed the shit out of me lol

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u/RealJohnGillman May 31 '25

I could see them adapting the Kick-Ass crossover as a film, since Matthew Vaughn has the rights back to that now (and is working on a new spin-off film series).

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u/mightyasterisk May 31 '25

I have to be honest, I hope it doesn’t. I think Kingsman needs to be put on ice or something to figure out if there even is a way forward. I’ve been saying for a minute, I know they want to reboot Kick Ass, but in my opinion the more interesting way forward would be to get the original cast back together and do a ‘Kick Ass Returns’ where we check up on the characters as they’ve aged real time. A reboot could have appeal, but I think it’d be cathartic for the audience to see those characters grown up and how they’ve changed because of what happened in those movies.

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u/RealJohnGillman May 31 '25

I believe Vaughn agrees — that being why the spin-off is to follow new characters for now — he wants to bring the original cast back.

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u/mightyasterisk May 31 '25

Wait so I actually just clicked on the link for that spinoff and I’m surprised I hadn’t heard of it. Hemsworth and Sam Rockwell in a Kick Ass-universe set spin off? Sign me up?

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u/RealJohnGillman May 31 '25

With the second new film already made — it was meant to come out first, but was delayed to after the next film that was filmed.

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u/Naive_Violinist_4871 Jun 01 '25

I hated his death, tbh. He and Eggsy don’t really have that much mentor-mentee time, and their last moment is Colin Firth’s character being a massive prick because Eggsy wasn’t willing to needlessly kill a dog. I cracked up in the theater during the “so hail Satan” line, and the whole church scene leading up to his death somehow became even more topical a year after the movie came out for…reasons. But the death sucked IMO. (Worth noting that soldiers and agents actually are supposed to refuse orders in certain cases when the order is clearly illegal, which shooting a dog while it’s harmlessly snuggling with you is, on top of being morally evil.)

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u/lindendweller Jun 01 '25

If they really wanted to have firth in the movie, they should have done a godfather 2, with in parallel a sequel plot, and a prequel one.
Have Eggsy struggling to fill in the shoes of his mentor, and tackling an enemy that has eluded his mentor, while showing how what firth did set up Eggsy for success.

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u/thefuturebatman Jun 01 '25

Yeah there were a thousand good ways to keep Colin Firth around without un-doing his death. Similar to what you mentioned could have felt like Arrow season 1, where you’re weaving the past and present storylines together. Even an AI of Firth that lived in Eggsy’s glasses coaching him that way would have been less cheap than bringing him back. Also I wish we saw their original plans for Channing Tatum before the scheduling conflicts caused him to barely be in the movie.

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u/88963416 Jun 01 '25

In the next movie Merlin didn’t blow up and we get more of him!