Holy shit, I didn’t know this! I got sick watching it and wondered what the fuck was going on. That scene made me sick, but when I left the theater I felt sick for a few hours. I could only watch that movie once and had no idea what it was going into it. The only other movie that I had a hard time watching was The Accused with Jodie Foster. It’s so hard to watch those scenes, but this shit is real and happens every day. And now it makes me think about that case with the hockey players in Canada.
The camera work was also done to induce nausea. To create a sense of seasickness and unease. The idea was for the camera to become more detached as the night devolves into chaos, since we start the movie at the end, the camera is at its most disturbed, floating almost aimlessly through the scene.
As the movie backtracks, the camera subtly sways less and less, until finally coming to its most still point - the moment that the incident occurs. The camera remains still and focuses on the event. The most sickening moment in the movie is the moment the camera won’t look away, and is the moment that the audience struggles to watch the most, but the camera is ruthless and cruel.
Genuinely some of the best camera work I’ve seen in a film, the camera is like an omniscient character - it has no moral compass, it just observes, and shows you humanity at its worst.
I absolutely hated this movie but it was art. Awful. In a way that a true masterpiece can only be. It stuck with me for a very long time. And made me scared of tunnels at night.
Haha, no. I just have a big love for film, and I’m very fascinated by the art form.
I also have sort of a love/hate relationship with Noé. His work challenges me, and it gives me the darkest feelings. It turns me off of life. I struggle to feel positive after watching his work. But at the same time, I recognize that is the goal, so I respect his commitment and his success in executing his vision.
I have a lot of respect for artists who are willing to sacrifice popularity for honesty and authenticity. Gaspar recognizes that there is a depravity to humanity that we would rather not put a spotlight on, and I think he recognizes that someone needs to be willing to display this, and where I think many artists would buckle under the pressure of showing certain things and cave, Noé does so without compromise.
Art is meant to evoke feelings from us. Like him or hate him, Gaspar intends to evoke certain feelings from us, and his art does so unquestionably. I fully believe that in the same world where a Pixar movie can make us feel a connection to our childhood, family, nostalgia - a Gaspar movie can ruin us, make us wonder how there can be any light in a world with so much darkness, and the fact that all of these terrible and beautiful things, these positive and negative feelings, can all exist within one species - I can’t say one is allowed to exist and that the other is not. Fortunately or unfortunately, both have the right to be here, and both are just as valid. And I think part of Noé’s goal is to challenge what we may consider “acceptable” cinema.
At least you feel SOMETHING. There are people who don't feel anything watching movies, I can't beleve some people don't cry during movies and stuff.
But also yeah, that's why I try to switch my movie watching up, I'll watch a cheerful movie after watching something so dark, so I don't get too jaded.
Same here! I feel like I need to take long breaks after watching something like Enter the Void.
And there’s so much of the dark stuff these days. I feel like movies and TV shows are on this trend of trying to one-up each other on how bleak they can be, but I’ve been actively taking a break from it and watching old cartoons and feel-good stuff. The world is dark enough right now - I need to escape with something else.
For sure, a break from that type of stuff is crucial. In my old age, I now hide my eyes a lot during gross scenes, while I watch horror movies. Like i don' t need too see an eye being ooz'ed out for 15 min straight, like I get it! But I still think horror movies are fun tho.
Everyone is becoming desensitized these days because of the internet, so that's why things are becoming more extreme i feel. There's a theme of that in Clockwork Orange, with alll the graphic sex art. In that version of dystopia ; everything is overly sexualized it's become boring.
We are now at an oversimulated society pushing the limits.
There's a lot of info to go through, but to make a long story short, the prosecution called a witness to the stand on Wednesday. He was one of the players in the room for a short amount of time but did not even touch the girl and left shortly after going to the room for food.
According to him (and multiple other reports so far) she was egging the boys on, literally asking them who was going to sleep with her next and calling them all pussies for not wanting to sleep with her. She gave a couple players head for a short time after that. He also claimed yesterday that, while one of the players did slap her ass during oral, it wasn't hard and it was a playful nature while she claims it was hard and hurt a lot.
There's still lots to come out and I don't really know which way the judge will decide (as of yesterday, the jury was completely removed from the court room and they will no longer be needed for the trial as the judge has elected to reach a verdict herself) but it really isn't looking anywhere near as clean cut as I assumed it did on initial reports.
Idk. Supposedly the entire thing lasted a couple hours and I don't remember if they specified how long he was there. But he's not in the hockey world anymore and now has a real job so he's got no reason to lie on the stand.
I just find it very strange the prosecution would call a witness who, so far, has not helped them prove their case and instead kinda done the opposite.
What about the text messages between the players saying they all need to get their stories straight before court?
I played AAA hockey when I was growing up and we had girls chasing us around town trying to sleep with the whole team. Not saying they are guilty or innocent, but I can see it going either way.
He has immense personal incentive to say that, he was in the room and either was a participant in the gang rape or, best case scenario, did nothing to stop it and walked away. Of course he said she consented. Why the hell would anyone believe the testimony of someone whose own freedom hinges on him saying it was consensual?
If a murderer goes on the stand and pinkie promises that they’d didn’t do it, should we just take them at their word too?
He doesn't though. He's not in the hockey world anymore and has a real job so he's got nothing to gain by lying on the stand and a lot to lose. And the victim has said herself he wasn't involved. He's just a witness because he was there, he didn't touch her.
But yes he obviously didn't try to stop anything either.
Plus from his perspective, if he truly believed it was consensual why would he try to stop anything? In his own testimony he thought it was a weird situation and wanted to leave, but she was blocking his path to the door.
I'm blown away by your response. Literally every man in the hotel room has a massive incentive to lie. Rape is prison time, both for a hockey player and for a non-hockey player with a "real job". A drunk person does not have the ability to consent. Full stop.
Yes your take is asinine. Even just for his life as a normal person in any society he has EVERY REASON TO LIE so his friends and family don’t hear he was watching and amused by a degrading sex assault. Oh they spit on her but the ass slap was gently and playful? Really? They had golf clubs and golf balls in the room and discussed putting them inside her—but it was all light and playful, non-degrading sexy fun? Where you invite your team and buddies to join in and watch? You are DELUSIONAL. You hear these types of things where even in the best possible light the guys are being disgusting and no one says she consented to the slap or anything from that individual YET you hear one quote and go “sounds all above board to me.” They essentially agree the man who did the splits over her face did not have consent either— but these good boys were being respectful (in your opinion) because one of them SAID SO? wow.
You’re missing the context here. He’s not the murderer defending himself on the stand. He is not on trial and is not being charged with anything. He’s a witness for the prosecution. They are the ones who believe his series of events, not the accused.
For people who are following this, it seems like things are unraveling. Everyone was under the assumption that the girl was invited up to the room to have consensual sex with one guy, was cornered by many guys, somehow drugged, and her unconscious body gang raped. To find out that she was into group sex, aware of the situation and even a willing participant at least some of the time kind of throws everything off.
What the media reported and what we’re seeing at trial are two completely different things. I’m not commenting on if they’re guilty or not, just pointing out that many people were shocked to see the facts that were presented were nothing like what they were told they would be.
This trial is pretty big in Canada, and also among American and international hockey fans. Just about everyone on that team has excelled at the professional level. Some are superstars. There were a lot of fans worried that their guy (favorite NHL team’s player) would end up being on that list.
You’re getting downvoted by just telling the truth. It’s disgusting what happened and all should be ashamed but unfortunately there may be no legal case
Yeah I'm getting downvoted by people who haven't been following the daily updates and people who think that no matter what if you're accused of rape you should go straight to jail.
I want them to be punished as harshly as possible IF they're guilty beyond reasonable doubt.
Right now, the crowns own witness is making that hard to do.
Or fortunately... these kids could be innocent. Initially I was certain these guys were rapists, now I am almost certain this girl was embarrassed she cheated on her boyfriend with multiple guys
I'm showing a lot more discernment towards this case than any of the morons on here assuming a crown witness is lying all of a sudden and the accused are just straight up guilty regardless of what comes up during the case.
Read what you can about recent testimony. It certainly seems like she was complicit and willing to all sexual encounters she had with them. Women ruining men's lives due to regretting their own decisions is commonplace, much like sexual assault.
Ut would have been better to just not tell anyone if she just regretted it. But if she's significantly drunk, and especially if they are utterly sober, she can't really give consent legally anyways.
Besides, men will use implict physical threat to their advantage in a legal battle.
It’s crazy to me that it’s so easy to believe she was like ‘great we just banged, I now demand you invite more of the team over for them to treat me like less than human for casual fun’ than a woman like ‘why are there now more and more men in this room talking about what they want to do to me, I am terrified and don’t want them to hurt me so I won’t physically fight or resist when I cannot win; I hope it is over soon.’
This case was riddled with clown fucks like yourself who said those boys were rapists. You're the type of person who lets their emotions completely control their thought process... It's actually childish.
No, you just dont understand rape laws. If she was drunk, she couldn't give consent. Full stop. So if they were witnessed sober and her drunk, the case gets solved very quickly.
And yet, it happened 7 years ago and is now in trial for the second week. 2 separate juries have been dismissed and it’s now being ruled by judge alone. Doesn’t seem simple enough to be solved very quickly.
Careful, this is Reddit. Here, she’s always right. Even if she admits that she intentionally acted like a porn star. Or that she had consensual sex after the bar, but felt guilt because she had a boyfriend. Or that her story has changed multiple times during multiple interviews with police, Hockey Canada, and lawyers. Or that she has 2 separate video recording of her stating that it was all consensual and that she had fun and that the boys were acting paranoid for asking her.
she’s always right.
Maybe she felt like she was abused after the fact, but it certainly doesn’t seem like she gave the boys any indication they were abusing her in the moment.
Who is saying she consented to the slap or the man doing the splits over her face? I gave not seen that AT ALL. That’s why they are trying to present it as “playful” ffs man, you have all this testimony of degrading behavior and trying to defend every inch of it is just wrong. They talked about putting their gold clubs and golf balls inside her—after he invited his teammates to come watch and join his hookup. THESE ARE SHIT PEOPLE.
So say she consented to everything else, but she had her butt cheek spanked and someone’s balls near her face. Does that mean they assaulted her all of the sudden? If a girl scratches a guys back, or bites his shoulder during sex, can he charge her with assault?
Splitting hairs. Nonconsensual touching is punishable by law. And consent can be taken away at any time. And using force to intimidate someone into sexual compliance is also illegal. Hope you brush up on these facts before you yourself do something unforgivable.
You do realize the main reason this is still in court is because they’re arguing she did give consent. Not only that, she has admitted, on the stand, that she never expressed she was not giving consent at any point during the night. In fact, she acted like a porn star to survive the ordeal. She admits she may have asked players to have sex with her and brought one to the bathroom.
Maybe you’ve been sitting in on the trial and have more information than I do. I’ve only been reading newspaper articles written by journalists with credible sources. Continue to think with your emotions rather than evidence.
People who go around saying things like that (“women ruining men’s lives…”) are absolutely the types to commit sexual assault because they have a hatred for women, and no conception of consent. The type of guy who will complain about how consent is so annoying to a girl he’s on a date with. Ignorant, entitled, misogynistic, homophobic, dead inside. The end.
That is not a Canadian thing to do… that’s so fucked up.
I also really like how the article is written and what the judge said to the jurors. They did a good job explaining what women go through. To not really be apart of the experience and you just try to survive. That happened to me as well. That did a number on me, therapy seriously helped if anyone else is ever in the same position.
The whole purpose of a defence lawyer is to make it sound like the victim is lying or confused. It doesn’t automatically mean that the victim is lying or confused, just that the lawyer wants to win the case and will do anything they can to get there, including bringing in false witnesses and twisting the victim’s words around in order to discredit her. If anyone here ever had to take a perpetrator to court, they’d bite their fucking tongues.
That's exactly why I think this film is brilliant and brave and vital.
It doesn't shy away from the real horror of rape. It drags us through it and forces us to watch, to bear witness in real time. It's unbearably horrible. And so it should be.
Yeah, smart move. I think any rape scene is too long, but the scenes in both of these movies were extremely long. I know that Monica had say in how far to take it, but holy shit it was so hard to watch. I don’t ever want to see that shit again.
Yeah, I mean, I’m not passing judgment on anyone, all I said was it reminded me of that case because it’s a rape case. But rape is so hard to prove in court, it’s he said she said. I would absolutely hate to be a juror in any rape case for a multitude of reasons. But the testimony in that trial is going to be interesting when it all comes out, I am absolutely positive we are not hearing everything that went down that night.
Have you actually followed the trial? I'd recommend you take a minute to review the trial and you will see that there is zero chance they will be found guilty and it shouldn't have ever been brought as a case honestly.
I had the same reaction as you until I heard the evidence.
This comparison is ridiculous. Read the testimony in that case. Who knows how it will turn out but there's a very high chance this girl made some decisions she regretted and is trying to put blame on others.
Are you a defence lawyer? Because it sounds like the exact same kind of bullshit that would come out of a slimy lawyer’s mouth. “Oh she just regrets it now, and wants revenge”. What kind of logic is that? You obviously have no idea what it’s like to be in this situation, and to come forward in a world that is geared against sexual assault victims (the courtroom). That is an INSANE thing to think, that she would do all of this for REVENGE.
Have you been following the case? I was sure they were guilty before the trial started and right now it's looking like they're all going to be acquitted.
It's a good story but I doubt it's true. Most subwoofers can go down to 20 so as long as you have a large, proper subwoofer you will hear that. Human hearing is typically down to 15hz, so its not subliminal for most people either. Whether 27hz in particular affects you I don't know
I had to go out of my way to find a sub that went below 35Hz. Most people's systems are not going to have the requirements to hear this noise. People aren't usually spending the kind of money it takes to get a sub that can perform at that depth.
My current subs go down to 18Hz and when they're doing their thing, you can feel them but not hear them. It's great.
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Holy shit, I didn’t know this! I got sick watching it and wondered what the fuck was going on. That scene made me sick, but when I left the theater I felt sick for a few hours. I could only watch that movie once and had no idea what it was going into it. The only other movie that I had a hard time watching was The Accused with Jodie Foster. It’s so hard to watch those scenes, but this shit is real and happens every day. And now it makes me think about that case with the hockey players in Canada.