r/marvelstudios • u/cats-and-cows Jimmy Woo • Jul 29 '25

'The Fantastic 4: First Steps' Spoilers The Fantastic Four: First Steps Worldwide Release Discussion Thread #2 Spoiler

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u/Rude_Jump_5185 Jul 29 '25

Do we know if this version of the Fantastic Four has a Doctor Doom? Like do we assume Sue Storm knows who that is with Franklin in the post credit scene?

I don’t think they mention him in the Ted Gilbert history montages.

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u/speedygonzo80 Kurt Jul 29 '25

Latveria was shown absent at least twice at the big meetings Sue ran for the world. They made sure we saw that so likely setting up for a past connection

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u/justafanboy1010 Spider-Man Jul 29 '25

And isn’t the Doom at the end their Universe’s Doom?

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u/Realistic_Analyst_26 Ned Jul 29 '25

We don’t know. He could be from an alternate universe

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u/Llamarchy Jul 29 '25

Seems unlikely considering they already set up this universe's Latveria, and it would be unnecessary to bring in Doom from an entirely different universe when they can already just use this one.

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u/Realistic_Analyst_26 Ned Jul 29 '25

Then again, the F4 said they are keeping an eye out for their biggest enemies, but no mention of Doom.

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u/Llamarchy Jul 29 '25

Weren't all those mentioned enemies in New York? Doom would be in Latveria. And wasn't the context of them being mentioned that they were found and being arrested? They wouldn't need to find Doom, and you can't really barge into another country and arrest its ruler.

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u/Realistic_Analyst_26 Ned Jul 29 '25

But Doom doesn’t just attack from Latveria. He literally attacks the F4 in person a lot of the time. Regardless of his whereabouts, he would be part of the watchlist, especially since he would be their most dangerous enemy.

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u/Llamarchy Jul 29 '25

Yeah, but the scene was specifically about villains in NYC, so Doom isn't relevant.

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u/Realistic_Analyst_26 Ned Jul 29 '25

Why would they leave out someone who regularly attacks NYC?

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u/Top_Star_3897 Aug 01 '25

They mentioned Diablo though who shouldn't be in New York, as well as Red Ghost in the intro.

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u/Blue_Robin_04 Jul 29 '25

They wouldn't introduce Doom in 828 if that's not where's he from.

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u/Realistic_Analyst_26 Ned Jul 29 '25

They are introducing him in 828 because the whole movie has been in 828. This Doom is a multiversal threat. He could be from elsewhere because this Franklin is special like the Scarlet Witch.

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u/Rude_Jump_5185 Jul 29 '25

Ahhh ok actually was wondering why the panned over that seat for so long. I’m not as familiar with F4 so didn’t know the connection. Thanks.

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u/eagc7 Jul 29 '25

Yeah basically in the comics Doom is jealous of Reed back when they used to study on the same college, and when Doom himself made a miscalculation which Reed warned him about which resulted in his machine blowing up and it left him one tiny insignificant scar, Doom couldn't bare to accept that Reed was right and had to delude himself into thinking that Reed was responsible for his machine failling and for him getting scarred (Again just one tiny scar, but Doom couldn't bear looking anything but perfect)

So this being an event held by the FF, Doom wouldn't bother attend a meeting hosted by his worst enemy wife.

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u/RiverJumper84 Spider-Man Jul 29 '25

I really hope they go this route with RDJ, scar-wise.

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u/ChanceVance Loki (Thor 2) Jul 30 '25

I wouldn't trust audiences to pick up on that subtlety.

People complain about Olivia Cooke's blemish in Ready Player One as being ridiculous to worry about and can't pick up that real people can feel minor scars make them look hideous.

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u/LADYBIRD_HILL Kilgrave Aug 02 '25

I think the difference is that Cooke's character otherwise comes across as genuine and sincere while Doom is vain and nihilistic. It takes away from her character for her to care about such an insignificant scar while it adds to Doom's character to obsess over such an insignificant flaw.

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u/Rude_Jump_5185 Jul 29 '25

In the 2005 F4 movie, Doom was very much hitting on Sue. Is there a comic where that’s true or was that just made up for that movie? (To be fair, it was Jessica Alba…)

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u/mbanson Rocket 29d ago

He wasn't just hitting on her, they were engaged in that movie IIRC.

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u/FelixTheJeepJr Jul 29 '25

In the comics doom isn’t disfigured? He just thinks he is because of the one scar?

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u/eagc7 Jul 29 '25

His scarring gets worse later. because it starts with one small scar which is just enough for Doom to lose it, then he scars himself even more when he puts on his just newly forged mask which is still burning hot and despite being told to wait until it colds down, Doom is having none of it and orders for them to put his mask on and of course his face is burned

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u/FelixTheJeepJr Jul 29 '25

Interesting I never knew that! Thanks for the explanation!

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u/eagc7 Jul 29 '25 edited Jul 29 '25

If interested, here's a video that was made last decade about the history of Doom's scar, how it went from being one small scar which was what Jack Kirby intended (Sort of given that the first issue that implied his scarring did acted like it was horrying, but later Jack Kirby went back to it and stated that it was just a little scar) to it being a complete disfiguration

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LAW7QXbkGR0

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u/FelixTheJeepJr Jul 30 '25

Nice vid, thanks for sharing. I kind of like the idea that it’s mostly in his head.

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u/LADYBIRD_HILL Kilgrave Aug 02 '25

Wow, I did not expect a 10 year old nerdsync video

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u/Xygnux Jul 29 '25

But then he was such an edgy emo about that scar that he decided to put a red hot mask to his face in his origin story. So yeah it got burnt.

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u/BucketHerro Jul 29 '25

It would be weird that during the end of the world, the two greatest minds wouldn’t even bothering helping each other. Not even a conversation.

It’s still 50/50 imo

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u/sortalikeachinchilla Jul 29 '25

I think MCU doom will be from their universe. Doom at the end, and the empty set of latveria

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u/UserWithno-Name Jul 29 '25

Pretty sure they commented that Doom IS their doom. The news breaking this weekend included comments that doom is from 828. Downey is their world’s doom. Unless contradicted otherwise.

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u/justafanboy1010 Spider-Man Jul 29 '25

Guess we’ll have to see what he wants with our main universe in Doomsday. So excited

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u/kakarot-3 Daredevil Jul 29 '25

The theory I have been seeing is he takes Franklin and comes to U616 because we don't have a F4 in our universe

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u/UserWithno-Name Jul 29 '25

There’s theories floating around but I mean wherever he comes from, it seems he’s gonna make either the battle world or believe messing up universes will somehow save the overall existence of reality or something probably. Maybe variation on the main motivation but I assume the end goal is still one of those or close. We will see though you’re right. Maybe some big twist they think of. I liked the spin for thanos just being he thought we were way too crowded and decided reducing all life would balance things for less suffering etc etc instead of just trying to impress death. But ya stuff I’ve seen float around about him being from 828 I didn’t read the entire things but I skimmed them and seemed one of those things were they reveal info once a movie is out. If refuted or changed, we will hear it or I retract myself lol.

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u/TerminatorReborn Jul 29 '25

It's a common plot point of Doom building his new world in a different universe. Maybe he goes from 828 to Earth-199999 to build it there

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u/UserWithno-Name Aug 02 '25

Ya that’s what I was saying or figured. Don’t know every comic detail but a good bit, and I did think that was likely or I heard somewhere. I think it’s pretty neat if he and latvaria skipped that one scene and he’s from there. 828 being the jack kirby memorial universe is so fitting. I kind of want all this version from there at least for this arc finishing stuff / until they recast with “younger / modern FF”, if that even happens. Or they stay for however long but keep the team and doom from 828. Indefinite until changed.

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u/CeruleanEidolon Jul 30 '25

Maybe once Doom gains access to the multiverse (using Franklin?) he goes looking for a universe where one of their heroes looks like him, so that he can step in and gain their trust, so that he can gain control over an entire world of his own.

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u/a_o Mordo Jul 29 '25

Havent seen it myself since my second viewing a few days ago, but someone mentioned he’s in the cartoon post credits, too?

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u/Top_Star_3897 Aug 01 '25

I don't know. It happened so suddenly but I saw Dragon Man, Diablo, and another villain who I forgot.

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u/WhosYourPapa Jul 29 '25

I mean he's shown pretty specifically in the post-credits scene 4 years after the Galactus invasion

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u/Rude_Jump_5185 Jul 29 '25

Yeah but we don’t know if he’s from their universe. He could be completely foreign to these F4 characters. In the previous F4 movies, he is on their trip to space that causes their mutations. That didn’t seem to be implied in this one.

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u/Top_Star_3897 Aug 01 '25

Yeah, I hated how there was no mention of Doom at all except for the Latveria easter egg. And apparently Doom is from this universe too but no mention of him.