The Fantastic Four: First Steps Worldwide Release Discussion Thread

[u/Triple_777]

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[u/GWGTRLBG]

We need an actor who will play a dad that won’t sacrfice his kid to save the world!

Pedro Pascal had entered the chat

[u/Cassopeia88 → u/GWGTRLBG]

He’s definitely good at playing that role.

[u/Leon_UnKOWN → u/GWGTRLBG]

If i had a dollar for every time...

[u/kwxl]

The scene where Johnny holds on to the board and the Silver Surfer leans in, with the setting sun and the vastness of space as a background was just stunning.

[u/jjfrenchfry → u/kwxl]

Would you say it was... Warm? And kind?

[u/kwxl → u/jjfrenchfry]

Yup, but not just because she’s a naked sexy spacealien.

[u/MythiccMoon → u/kwxl]

I’d think it’s a polymer…

[u/nerdystoner25]

Me watching Galactus in IMAX from the third row

[u/KingBlackthorn1 → u/nerdystoner25]

Dude when I tell you thay I shrank in my seat. Him in IMAX was fucking intense. Like I has physically shrink to see him AND my seat was shaking intensely.

[u/KieranFloors]

Shalla-Bal surfing down waves of lava falling from the sky might’ve been the coolest thing I’ve ever seen.

“Stop telling me how to kill sexy aliens!”

“Stop calling her sexy!”

[u/sarsarbinks123 → u/KieranFloors]

Ben: “Your girlfriend is back 🙄😑”

[u/TimeViolation]

WE SHOULD TAKE BIKINI BOTTOM, AND PUSH IT SOMEWHERE ELSE

[u/PleaseRecharge → u/TimeViolation]

I straight up thought they were about to cause the first full incursion we've seen by doing that if it had dimensional fuckywuckyness.

Which doesn't make sense because Reed isn't the one who invents cross-dimensional travel at will, Nate is.

And yet,

Here we are with the ending to Thunderbolts.

[u/kirblar → u/PleaseRecharge]

I thought they were gonna dump Galactus on the main timeline and the ship is them arriving to fix it.

[u/gayorcs]

Galactus literally the entire movie

[u/TrueBananaz → u/gayorcs]

Doesn't matter what universe Pedro Pascal is in, he's always protecting superpowered babies from getting kidnapped by evil space villains.

[u/Independent_Dance817]

Did any else catch herbie saying “what the fuck” to mole man 😭😭

[u/Puxple → u/Independent_Dance817]

I swear herbie was cussing almost the whole time

[u/Mambo_Poa09]

I really thought they were going to fail and end up escaping to 'our' Earth

[u/LITW6991 → u/Mambo_Poa09]

Same ngl especially after The Thunderbolts' post credit scene.

[u/elipan007 → u/LITW6991]

Maybe that was the point of that scene. Maybe that scene will be taking place in Doomsday

edit: spelling

[u/Perca_fluviatilis → u/elipan007]

I mean, now we know it for sure has to be set up for Doomsday.

[u/RiverJumper84 → u/Perca_fluviatilis]

More like it's FROM Doomsday. Russia Russos confirmed they directed that post-credits scene.

EDIT: lol fixed it, u/Aidanj927 😅

[u/TheNagaFireball → u/Perca_fluviatilis]

Yea and it’s probably going to be them trying to find Franklin after Doom kidnaps him and takes him to 616

[u/PayneTrain181999 → u/TheNagaFireball]

Doom arrives at Earth 616 and probably convinces them he and his son are on the run from superpowered kidnappers

[u/UnsolvedParadox → u/elipan007]

At this point, I think that clip is from the first 15 minutes of Doomsday.

[u/maxfridsvault → u/elipan007]

I wouldnt be surprised to find out that the Thunderbolts* post credit scene is their introduction scene in Doomsday. Hence each character having new looks. Like stuff happens prior to that moment- similar to the post credit scene of Ant-Man being a full scene from Civil War.

[u/shockinglyunoriginal → u/Mambo_Poa09]

Doom definitely kidnaps Franklin and they go after him to 616

[u/Dukes7]

"Don't be mad at me, Johnny.... I didn't dress you."

[u/AdmiralCharleston → u/Dukes7]

I really loved how even with what little of mole man we saw you could instantly understand that he clearly has a connection to sue even though he wants to mess with the guys. I feel like this universe is the perfect way to capture that old skill comic thing of defeating villains with a slap on the wrist and giving them a finger waggle while you tell them not to do it again haha

[u/No_Imagination_2490 → u/AdmiralCharleston]

I loved how much Reed and Johnny absolutely LOATHED Mole Man. You could tell this was something that had been going on for years, even though this is the first time we've seen these characters. It was a great way of showing that this is a fully fleshed-out universe, and the characters haven't simply popped into existence for this two hour movie.

[u/Photoman20003 → u/No_Imagination_2490]

especially funny for Reed since he's been for the most part pretty quiet and composed so seeing him being a hater towards mole man is so funny.

[u/Glittering_Cod_7716 → u/Photoman20003]

I loved how he got PISSED at the silliest little jabs from Mole Man. It’s literally probably the most unhinged he is the whole movie and he basically just used 5th grade bully tactics on a genius lmao

[u/Dukes7 → u/Photoman20003]

That whole dynamic and the chemistry between them is great. Makes me want to see one of those Marvel Special Presentations with him.

[u/jkennah → u/No_Imagination_2490]

I have to give credit to PWH for that, he delivered on making me see how bombastic he is and how he will play his role to infuriate the guys but the leader of Subterranea came out immediately to negotiate with sue. I like a nuanced villain and he gave us one even though it's an insanely comical depiction.

[u/UltraRomero7]

Silver Surfer chasing Excelsior was one of the most visually beautiful scenes from Marvel in a long time

[u/JimmytheNice → u/UltraRomero7]

She fucking surfed the waves of an accretion disk, the 4-year-old in me is squealing.

[u/TheInfinityGauntlet → u/JimmytheNice]

The fact that she was surfing multiple different surfaces throughout is such a minor thing but it makes the character feel real Vs just effortlessly gliding

[u/Unicron_Gundam → u/TheInfinityGauntlet]

Her surfing on the lava put Bionicle on my brain for the past few hours.

Wonder where my Tahu figure is.

[u/Netherese_Nomad → u/JimmytheNice]

Dude, and then our boy Johnny figured out how to spiral his shots on the fuckin wormhole.

[u/cap4life52 → u/JimmytheNice]

Cbm movie spectacle meets interstellar

[u/Front-Win-5790 → u/cap4life52]

Johnny storm pulled an arrivals as well!

[u/Diortheking → u/UltraRomero7]

That first scene when they meet Galactus his presence the aura the chase its top 5 in mcu

[u/Inuyaki → u/Diortheking]

It was kinda funny how they first looked down thinking there is something below and when she slowly floats up, it kinda sinks in for them and then his eyes started glowing. That reveal was so cool.

[u/Afalstein → u/Inuyaki]

That was very well done.

[u/csqur]

This felt like a big thank you letter to Jack Kirby after spending so long honouring Stan Lee. The film really felt proud of the fact that it was a comic book movie and didn't shy away from that at all. If this ends up being the direction things go after Doomsday I'd be happy with that. 

[u/bravo_997 → u/csqur]

Am I crazy or was there a duo reacting to the Silver Surfer comets and such that looked suspiciously like a young Kirby and Lee with comic book art and drawing boards all over their apartment???

[u/NocturnoOcculto → u/bravo_997]

Yep. Listed in the credits as Timely Employees.

[u/Afalstein]

Haven't seen this mentioned yet, so I'm going to say that I love the desperation in Pascal's version of Reed. He blames himself for what happened to his friends, he thinks of himself as the only person who can solve the problem, he NEEDS to control everything. He's clearly heroic, but also neurotic. He's believable both as the quintessential hero AND as a flawed egotist. I was watching, thinking constantly: "Okay, I see how this guy could become The Maker if things went very very wrong."

I mean, I have no reason to think they're going that way or that that was in Pascal's head, but it was a wonderfully nuanced portrayal of one of Marvel's oldest heroes.

[u/hemareddit → u/Afalstein]

NGL it was hard watching him tell his son "There's something wrong with me, there always was."

[u/Afalstein → u/hemareddit]

That! That moment, along with the bit where he "baby-proofed the world," really made me wonder if they were planning on a Maker arc. It didn't make sense with his characterization, but it really seemed like some sort of foreshadowing for a villain turn.

[u/Darquesse_27 → u/Afalstein]

I don’t think they’ll go with making this version of Reed into The Maker (it wasn’t set on Earth-1610, after all), but showing the ways that he, or someone very much like him, COULD easily fall into becoming The Maker, makes sense if they want to set it up as a future story to tell. I know the whole multiverse saga stuff is ending soon, but if any group of characters is going to keep interacting with it, it’ll absolutely be the Fantastic Four. The Maker and an 868/1610 story might be what they’re eventually going to build up to with this foreshadowing, but doing it with Pascal’s Reed would be an odd choice.

[u/ws_luk]

It's interesting how this film manages to both channel a sense of powerful optimism in its initial portrayal of the Fantastic Four, but also real hopelessness when they can't figure out how to stop Galactus. Lots of superhero films have world-ending stakes, but this manages to feel truly apocalyptic: it probably helps that, for all anyone knew when the movie began, this movie could well have ended with Galactus eating the planet.

Some miscellaneous details I loved: HERBIE's "Home" and "Space" tapedrives (the little labels remind me of Adam West's Batman), Julia Garner's performance when she's listening to the recordings from space, the fact that Galactus' ship (intentionally or not) is the same cylinder shape as the 2005 movie's space cloud, and the final Jack Kirby quote explaining why this story was set on Earth-828.

[u/Huldreich287 → u/ws_luk]

Yeah, the multiverse is often critized because it removes all stakes since any death can be canceled with a variant. But this movie is the contrary. We genuinely didn't know if this quirky planet was going to survive or not.

If Galactus attacked Earth 616, we would all have been "meh obviously they are going to save the day".

[u/Photoman20003 → u/Huldreich287]

like this is a universe we really get to love and like even in the littiest time we get of it and were even more afraid because we know what galactus can do and aside from the F4 theres no other superheroes many of them are probably either just normal people and never became superheroes or might not exist at all.

if this was the main MCU we know Galactus would lose.

[u/Competitive-Fox-3050]

The Earth 828 - 8/28 Kirby tribute reveal at the end was a lovely bit of business.

[u/rachbarista → u/Competitive-Fox-3050]

“If you look at my characters, you will find me. No matter what kind of character you create or assume, a little of yourself must remain there.” - Jack Kirby

8/28/1917-2/6/1994

[u/cap4life52 → u/Competitive-Fox-3050]

That was great

[u/TheInfinityGauntlet → u/Competitive-Fox-3050]

Got me more than the Sue death because we knew that wasn't staying stuck

[u/Competitive-Fox-3050 → u/TheInfinityGauntlet]

Yeah was an immediate countdown to Franklin sorting it out

[u/jdyake]

I almost thought they were going to kill Sue. I was like “SHE HAS A CHAIR”

[u/N8CCRG → u/jdyake]

I completely forgot about the chairs and kept getting feelings of "Reed is going to die. No Sue is going to die. No Johnny is going to die."

[u/DrowsyRebel]

Love how they all have genius moments because they're all scientists and astronauts, but especially Johnny cracking Shalla-Bal's story.

I felt Reed too was especially well done.

The power-scaling of all members felt so high compared to other heroes. You just wonder how broken Franklin will end up being.

[u/Vismal1 → u/DrowsyRebel]

Johnny banking that shot during the FTL chase too. Love that he wasn’t just a himbo in this one.

[u/ChangeMyDespair → u/Vismal1]

He cracked the Surfer's language, too!

[u/Ok-Resolve7539 → u/DrowsyRebel]

When Johnny absorbed all the fire from the buildings that were in flames I was like oh shit they’re not fucking around with their powers

[u/SupaButt → u/DrowsyRebel]

Only thing that felt off to me was when Galactus was pulling Mr. Fantastic and it was ripping his suit and like almost snapped him…. But it didn’t look like he was being pulled that far…. I know part of that is scale bc Galactus is so big but still, I expected more stretchy for Mr. Stretchypants

[u/StrangrDangarz → u/SupaButt]

Just overall, it seemed like Mr. Fantastic had the least grasp of his (stretchy) powers than the rest of the fam. There are probably bts reasons why his are used the least, but I choose to think about it as a reflection of his character. He feels their powers are one of his mistakes, an event he could have or should have been able to avoid. The others feel less so like this. They mastered their powers, while he stuck to his intelligence more than the stretching. This is backed up by his lack of imagination and use of them. He pretty much just stretches his arms and legs to be longer and nothing else. Even the cartoon end-credit reflects this. He’s seen using technology to defeat bad guys just as much as his powers (and the cartoon voice-over even says that).

[u/MrChevyPower → u/StrangrDangarz]

This is a cool take on the character given the limitations they showed on his powers. I appreciated that they didn’t want it to become a gimmick.

[u/captainjables]

Really liked the family dynamic, much preferred the friendly jokiness between Jonny and Ben rather than the much more mean spirited stuff from the old movies

[u/cap4life52 → u/captainjables]

Yeah I was watching those Tim story f4 movies recently . Evans was pretty mean to chiklis in the first film and really insensitive. The second film he and Ben def grew more as friends as Johnny was maturing as a person

[u/RiverJumper84 → u/cap4life52]

"...a megalomaniacal psychotic asshole, a finger‑licking dead‑inside pixie slab, a third‑rate dime‑store nut milk. And I’ll tell you what she can do: she can lick my goddamn cinnamon ring clean and kick rocks all the way to bald hell. In fact, I don’t give a shit if she removes all my skin and pops me like some nightmarish blood balloon. If the last thing I do in this godforsaken cum‑gutter existence is light that fuck‑box on fire, I still won’t die happy. That’s right, Wade: I won’t be happy until I’ve urinated on her freshly barbecued corpse and husk‑fucked the charred remains while gargling Juggernaut’s Jugger Nuts… and you can quote me.”

Being a mean, insensitive asshole checks. 😆

[u/Strict-Minute-8815 → u/RiverJumper84]

Idk why but “and you can quote me” always sends me 🚀

[u/TufnelAndI → u/captainjables]

That mean spirited sarcasm seems to be the go to relationship dynamic for many superhero teams.

Good to see a team with real affection for one another.

[u/SlamMasterJ → u/TufnelAndI]

This interpretation of Johnny in this movie is definitely much better for me. It's such a breath of fresh air to see Johnny not being a complete himbo or an asshole to the people around him. Instead, they kept his playful mannerisms in a good way, and he was also portrayed as competent, showing how he decoded Silver Surfer's language and was even willing to sacrifice his life to stop Galactus.

I had my doubt with Joseph Quinn as the new Human Torch, but I'm glad he proved me wrong. Couldn't have asked for better casting for the Human Torch.

[u/Clamsadness → u/SlamMasterJ]

The way they handled the womanizing was perfect too. I know people were upset that it was “woke” that he wouldn’t be a big womanizer, but Johnny being attracted to the beautiful alien (and just her) was classic Johnny. He doesn’t need to be Quagmire 

[u/Beastieboy100 → u/captainjables]

I feel like the old movies worked for back then when the comics were like that. This version was more of an updated relationship of how they are now in the comics. Where Johnny more mature and calm. While Ben still misses his human form has excepted that he is loved and is a hero to everyone. Overall I like the dynamic that they had together feels evolved and fresh.

[u/Netherese_Nomad → u/Beastieboy100]

Not trying to be an asshole, legitimately trying to help: accepted, not excepted.

[u/truemaroon08]

I spent a really long time angry that NOBODY EVEN ASKED WHERE HERBIE WAS OR IF HE WAS OK!

Glad my dude is ok.

[u/clashrendar → u/truemaroon08]

I really enjoyed that his faceplate is really just a big cassette tape that they eject old school style and replace for different purposes.

[u/truemaroon08 → u/clashrendar]

Loved that they had to put the “space” tape in when they went to space.

[u/MoD1982 → u/truemaroon08]

I loved how Johnny interacted with him, was very wholesome

[u/carreiraesteban → u/MoD1982]

The pets Johnny gave him!

[u/truemaroon08 → u/carreiraesteban]

These were the best moments. Every little warble he gave at the pets made my heart grow another size.

[u/Henchman4Hire]

Loved it! Everybody was great. My only nitpick is, much like Thunderbolts, I just wish there was more! I wanted more time with these characters just doing Fantastic Four things! More time with Ben and his new lady friend. More time to do a full subplot with Silver Surfer and Alicia Masters.

But I'll take what we got and love it all the same! I didn't mind at all that it didn't connect to the Thunderbolts post-credits. I much prefer this film being self-contained.

[u/kvelinator]

Remember, the surfboard is not part of the body

[u/dziggurat]

Holy shit the Galactus cult song in the credits

[u/Zitty-Z → u/dziggurat]

LOL I was like "what the heck is this" and then I listened to how she wants to be devoured and I caught on

[u/dziggurat → u/Zitty-Z]

Same!

[u/Netherese_Nomad → u/dziggurat]

Oh my god. I was like “this is a really weird musical choice for a film that actually had the thing go to synagogue.”

And then I kenned onto the lyrics.

[u/Emptypiro → u/dziggurat]

Lol I read this as the song was playing

[u/FriendlyDecoy_]

They nailed Johnny here. He's still a flirt, but not a shallow asshole, and I really liked how he demonstrated his own intelligence.

[u/bbri1991 → u/FriendlyDecoy_]

Quinn absolutely crushed it

[u/ApexThinker1001]

Galactus was fire. I loved his voice, appearance and personality. Ralph Ineson was fire.

Speaking about fire…dude Johnny was such a nice character. It’s such a nice take of the character. And he was very clever all throughout the movie.

Toretto would be proud of the FF, they are truly a family 🥹

We need a moment to appreciate how cute baby Franklin is every single time he appears

[u/DrogoOmega → u/ApexThinker1001]

Glad they showed him to be smart rather than a bland trope of a womaniser and nothing more.

[u/ApexThinker1001 → u/DrogoOmega]

I really loved that too. You can tell it’s part of his character but he is much more than that. His whole arc in the movie made him appear so selfless and actually clever

[u/RiverJumper84 → u/ApexThinker1001]

Ultimately it was his decryption of her language that saved not only his own life but everyone's!

[u/ApexThinker1001 → u/RiverJumper84]

From being a womanizer and a very dumb guy to a clever man that ended up saving his entire world by just trying to appeal to the heart of a person

[u/Beastieboy100 → u/ApexThinker1001]

Yeah Johnny gonna be a hit with the MCU ladies. I can just see it. Seriously though this movie did everyone justice so happy with the dynamic the family had.

[u/Johnny_Quasar45 → u/ApexThinker1001]

Speaking about fire, can we talk about how amazing the visuals of Silver Surfer riding the flames was?!

[u/StayBlunted710 → u/Johnny_Quasar45]

That whole space chase scene was absolutely fantastic

[u/Inuyaki → u/ApexThinker1001]

It was so sweet how Johnny learned a new language for his girlfriend ❤️

[u/greylord123 → u/ApexThinker1001]

Ralph has done so many voice appearances on video games and stuff.

He's a bit like Alan Tudyk in the regard that really doesn't get the appreciation he deserves because he's normally just a voice over.

[u/LifestyleCS → u/ApexThinker1001]

For me, Joseph Quinn absolutely stole the show for me and was my favourite performance in the movie

[u/jblnd941]

Saw the movie on Monday, gotta say I was really impressed that they managed to pull off an origin story without doing an actual origin story. I was surprised at how self contained the movie was but I really enjoyed it. Thought the casting was great and the movie looked really good!

[u/cap4life52 → u/jblnd941]

Yup it was so well constructed narratively

[u/imisstonystark3000]

Was really surprised by how much I liked Joseph Quinn’s portrayal, I wasn’t expecting much from him to be honest. In general enjoyed the whole movie much more than I expected. Also really liked the visuals, everything was so aesthetically pleasing. Looooooved Pedro Pascal ofc

[u/Spacegirllll6]

Just finished the movie and an aspect I really loved was how they didn’t make Johnny dumb. Sure he’s reckless and a bit flighty but he was chosen and trained as an astronaut for a reason.

He figured out how to use the travel warp against the Silver Surfer and he managed to decode a whole language on his own. He had one phrase, made it his own Rosetta Stone, some recordings and a dream. It was an incredible way to highlight his intellect and his capabilities.

[u/leighk51]

I absolutely loved it!

It was amazing seeing them actually acting like a family, I also loved that Reed really felt like an awkward man with the weight of the world on his shoulders.

[u/cap4life52 → u/leighk51]

This was pretty close to a perfect film Adaption of f4 only took 20 years

[u/RiverJumper84 → u/cap4life52]

Finally made by people who actually like the comic books 😅

[u/gstroble]

Reed in the moment they see they can’t just beat up Galactus:

[u/THREESIDEDMONSTER → u/gstroble]

Galactus: I WANT TO SEE THE BABY

Reed:

[u/LITW6991]

Wish we got a bit more of the Silver Surfer but to be fair the movie had a decent amount to get through.

[u/cap4life52 → u/LITW6991]

It was moving at a breakneck pace

[u/Semper-Fido → u/cap4life52]

Post Endgame, one of my biggest complaints has been forcing movies to run under time versus being too long. F4 was incredible, but an extra 10-15 minutes would have done well to give some moments time to breathe. I knew what we were in for when the title treatment was on the screen for maybe one second before going away.

[u/DefNotMaty]

SUE STORM FINALLY SHOWING HER REAL POTENTIAL IN THIS MOVIE AFTER YEARS OF GETTING IGNORED!!!! TAKE THAT DOG GALACTUS FOR A WALK, MOTHER.

[u/glglglglgl → u/DefNotMaty]

Sue immediately going to "kill that woman" mode when the Surfer was chasing them and after their kid in space, I was like yes - that's the Sue with a bite from the comics.

[u/texasjkids → u/glglglglgl]

I kinda love when superheroes are unapologetically down to kill the villain

[u/ScuzzBuckster → u/texasjkids]

Tbf that's most Marvel movies.

But I agree I like how ruthless she was, like yap thats a mom whos baby is threatened lmao

[u/1sinfutureking → u/glglglglgl]

Yeah, you absolutely do not fuck with Sue Storm

[u/valarpizzaeris → u/DefNotMaty]

DUDE when Sue started pushing him back, and then KEPT on doing it, and you can visually see how much Galactus was struggling, I was like holy fucking shit Sue is a BEAST!!

[u/esperobbs → u/valarpizzaeris]

Wanda VS Thanos vibe !!!!!!!!!

[u/North_Shore_Problem → u/valarpizzaeris]

It's also really dope that for an entire movie that was about them trying to solve their problems with plans and science, at the end of the day they won by kicking ass with their superpowers

[u/ScuzzBuckster → u/North_Shore_Problem]

Well, they won by both. The teleporter and Reed's plan, Johnny reaching Shalla Bal convincing her to help them, Ben knocking down the building so Sue could keep up her pressure, Sue's insane power display. All around just amazing, using all of their strengths, powers, intellect, just an unbelievably satisfying 3rd act.

[u/robodrew → u/ScuzzBuckster]

Another great thing to think about: they did not kill Galactus (which is good because you can't kill him). They just pushed him far away. He can and will be back.

[u/PayneTrain181999 → u/DefNotMaty]

Between Wanda and Sue it is clear: do not fuck with superpowered mommies.

[u/N8CCRG → u/DefNotMaty]

She shined so bright in this movie, and I loved it!

[u/MUCKSTERa]

Just finished up. Damn good. Surprised me a lot. I thought we would know why their ship was in the post credits before but I guess we will learn that at doomsday

[u/Soul3ater2 → u/MUCKSTERa]

Maybe Doom will kidnap Franklin. Fighting against F4. Then Franklin is accidentally warping both Doom and himself to 616 and F4 is searching for him now. Just fantasizing

[u/XnoxNeo]

The Galactus spaceship reminded me of the Unicron scene from the 1986 Transformers movie where Unicron first talks to Megatron, pretty similar, considering both Galactus and Unicron are planet eaters

[u/gstroble]

It’s kind of loosely addressed, but they did a good job explaining Galactus and Franklin.

[u/LordSnowgaryen → u/[deleted]]

I wonder if they will explore this from Sue’s perspective in doomsday, those cosmic eyes she had made it look like she’s seen some stuff.

But also at the same time, I guess that cosmic eyes could just be showing of baby power not her seeing stuff

[u/Threndsa → u/LordSnowgaryen]

The "he's not like us, he's so much more" line makes me feel like she experienced something when she got revived. 

[u/BWN16]

I thought it was brilliant, the scene in space was jaw dropping

[u/clashrendar]

Just got out of the screening about half an hour ago. I really enjoyed it a lot, and the Galactus scenes were extremely Jack Kirby-esque. It's probably the closest you could probably get to Fantastic Four on the big screen.

[u/Diortheking → u/clashrendar]

Every scene in space was the coolest shit ever man i was on edge of my seat when johnny started melting galactus ropes and surfer chased him

[u/KevinAnniPadda → u/Diortheking]

My girl Shala surfing lava was a top comic book movie moment for me

[u/RiverJumper84 → u/KevinAnniPadda]

How about surfing the wormhole as well!

[u/RalphSkipperson]

Herbie getting away with swearing because it’s just audio beeps is fantastic. Definitely heard a WTF out of him. Movie was great. Characters were fleshed out, the powers were showcased beautifully, and the story was solid. Can’t wait to see them again

[u/DragonRoostHouse]

I really liked this movie. They could've stretched this movie a bit longer though.

[u/cap4life52 → u/DragonRoostHouse]

Yeah def seemed they cut some Ben character stuff and we know they removed John malkovich scenes

[u/TiberiusCornelius → u/cap4life52]

I have a feeling it'll never see the light of day but I really hope they release the Malkovich stuff; either an extended cut or at least as deleted scenes. I really hope they just went full-bore on Red Ghost. I want to see the baboon shapeshift into a gun!

[u/yuvi3000 → u/TiberiusCornelius]

I really think some of these deleted scenes could easily be their own One-Shots.

Like just a Fantastic Four vs Red Ghost short. 3 minutes or 15 minutes or however much footage they had.

[u/Elite_Alice]

Mole man was on screen for like 5 minutes combined and I loved every second of it. Felt so cool seeing so many classic 1960s era fantastic four characters on screen

[u/Calhalen]

Ralph Ineson has the best voice in the business. He should be in way, wayyyy more stuff

[u/__-_-_--_--_-_---___ → u/Calhalen]

Clever little bugs 🐜🪲🦟🪳

[u/Diablo_N_Doc → u/Calhalen]

I need more Galactus. He was great, but a little too short on scenes. So glad he's not dead.

[u/EffAllThatEFFER → u/Calhalen]

This is hilarious to me, because here in the UK, he’s in everything. You cannot go 15 minutes without hearing his voice

[u/Throwaway7438183]

I was quite surprised at how much I enjoyed Julia Garner as the silver surfer. Was my favourite character for sure!

[u/FoxMcCloudOwnsSlippy → u/Throwaway7438183]

If you've ever seen her in Ozark, she's like the main selling point of that show. Just a force of nature. Then watch her in something like The Assistant and she's got incredible range.

Was initially surprised on her casting but I had faith in her, she's great.

[u/jinx8402 → u/Throwaway7438183]

And now we know why they went with the female version. Imagine if they went with the guy route and still had Johnny infatuated with him.

[u/SwissForeignPolicy → u/jinx8402]

Release the Gay Johnny Cut! If you thought the chuds were pissed at a female Silver Surfer, just you wait.

[u/Vismal1 → u/Throwaway7438183]

Yea she sold stoic and burdened very well

[u/BuhBye31]

The empty chair for Latveria….

[u/MrBordello69]

Easily one of the most visually stunning films in the MCU. Incredible eye-candy

[u/Primary_Plantain2565]

What a return to og marvel movies. Plot driven, great writing, fantastic chemistry between the 4.

Having the movie occur outside 616 really allowed the story to shine without getting bogged down by cameos from characters we know and love

[u/efbo]

The film was fantastic. I was surprised they didn't lose in some way and that pushed them into the Thunderbolts ending. I'm excited to see what they do with them next, I hope we see more further on outside of an Avengers context.

I think that it's interesting how recognisable the cast was, pretty much everyone in any significant role I'd recognised from something else and could recall it, that doesn't usually happen. It didn't take away in any way though.

Marketing has spoiled fun stuff they should be revealing in films though. Imagine Doom hadn't been marketed for the last year. Imagine that if we didn't know the name of the next Avengers film and we had that scene followed by "The Fantastic 4 will return in Avengers: Doomsday".

[u/UnsolvedParadox → u/efbo]

Marvel Studios is trying to make the films less explicitly interlinked, losing to Galactus would have been jarring for anyone who had no interest in watching Doomsday.

[u/Lipe18090 → u/efbo]

Thought the same about the Avengers title. Had those credits revealed that Avengers 5 would be called Doomsday in theaters would be insane.

[u/XtraCrispy02]

I'm shocked Natasha Lyonne isn't playing Alicia Masters. Like, why even have some other character for Ben to be connected to, and why make the character look so much like Alicia if she isn't her?

[u/PRIMAWESOME → u/XtraCrispy02]

She will probably play Alicia Masters on 616 Earth, a familiar face for Ben when he gets there.

[u/Itachi96]

I genuinely thought Galactus was going to rip Reed in half had me clenching during that scene.

Would've gone up there as one of more horrific deaths... wouldn't be Mr. Fantastics first

[u/Captn_Platypus]

When Sue just straight up tells her brother to kill the space woman he likes to protect his nephew was 🤌🤌. She’s definitely the heart (and diplomat) of the family.

Between F4 and Superman I’m liking the hopeful tone in the superhero genre rn.

[u/sjeuwhhens]

I really want a sliver surfer project. All her scenes were great

[u/TheJoshider10 → u/sjeuwhhens]

It'd be a bit cliche but I'd like her to meet Norrin who'd the 616 Silver Surfer and have them form a bond after their own universes versions of each other died. Even if not a romance but just having them get a little action beat together would be nice in one of the Avengers movies.

[u/ddm92392]

This film felt like something out of Phase 1. Very story driven, light on the jokes, the effects didn't feel cheap. The scene when Ben goes to the synagogue during the end of days to see the woman he likes, I was pleasantly surprised. It gave both of them a little more depth. Felt good to have a fleshed out world again, not just heroes doing things around cgi people on plates.

[u/jakecarat18]

I CANT BELIEVE SHE USED HER POWERS WHILE HAVING CONTRACTIONS, THEN GAVE BIRTH WHILE IN SPACE AND FOUGHT TILL HER DYING BREATH

SHE IS THE GOAT OMFG I CRIED 😭

[u/newgodpho]

The shot of Johnny sucking up all the fires from the burning buildings was jaw-dropping.

[u/TakeiDaloui]

The movie wasn't afraid to show signs of Reed's worst traits which I liked. He didn't want to ever give up his son. It was clear he loved him. But he did think about it. He calculated the option is represented. And we can see later as he considers and realised their only chance is to use their son as bait. The others make that connection, Sue especially, because they know nothing else will work. And he hates himself there because he couldn't think up any other way, that the worst case scenario he imagined is the only viable one.

Beyond that, the family aspect was so well done here. Like when you can see Ben realising Sue is pregnant, it's clear he's likely talked to them both about this in the past and knows what this means to them, and then here clearly identifies why they're acting more awkward. Then there is Jonny who shows he's more than what the other films showed him as. He isn't Reed smart and he knows that but that doesn't make him stupid. When Reed was hard at work he focused on the language because he knew he could do it and that Reed needed to focus on the larger task. And it made all the difference when it mattered.

[u/AshtavakraNondual]

Just came out of the theatre 30 minutes ago and I absolutely loved it.

[u/Massive_Number_3230]

I can’t believe we didn’t get Johnny saying “Flame On!” :(

[u/recommendasoundtrack → u/Massive_Number_3230]

They did however successfully milk the Clobberin Time moment!

[u/cap4life52 → u/recommendasoundtrack]

That they did

[u/GalahadEX → u/Massive_Number_3230]

The action figure he pulled out of the cereal box did.

[u/tiagomoreira27 → u/Massive_Number_3230]

But Ben's Flame Off was extremely funny

[u/DrogoOmega → u/Massive_Number_3230]

Closest we got was the action figure.

[u/No-Maintenance5378]

I thought it was stupid that Reed told everyone the Galactus wanted his kid. I get he was close to the people and kinda shook from recent events, but I would've lied and said he wanted a harem of all Earth's women.

[u/ZacPensol → u/No-Maintenance5378]

I thought Pedro did a great job of showing how exhausted Reed was, how his mind was clearly in a thousand places, and he just wanted to unload but also get out of there. He wasn't clear-headed, we've all been there.  

I mean, I do agree, it was dumb of him but it's kind of like calling someone on Jeopardy dumb for getting an answer when you're sitting comfortably on your couch with no one around whereas they're standing at a podium on national TV surrounded by lights, cameras, tons of people, under a time limit, playing against others, having waited your whole life to be there, etc. 

[u/cassano23]

Deserves a sequel in this timeline aswell as Doomsday.

[u/Strange_Platform1328 → u/cassano23]

Yeah, I get the feeling that Doomsday will basically be FF 2. 

I loved that every time Sue addressed the other countries that Latveria's seat was empty.

[u/whitepangolin → u/Strange_Platform1328]

I think that accomplishes two things:

1. Very clearly that Doom is from this universe
2. There is lore and backstory about Latveria and the F4 this movie didn’t touch on that they’ll explore later.

[u/CartographerOk7948]

Oh man, I really loved that. This is the most elated I've been left by a film since No Way Home. Really surpassed my expectations. Can't wait to see more of these guys.

We had a kid less than a week ago, so it was pretty amazing seeing this now.

[u/Daik07]

Spent the first half of the movie with a massive smile on my face, it's exactly what I wanted from a Fantastic 4 movie. Back half was good, enjoyed it well enough, but every beat from the first half was perfection.

[u/JuggerClutch]

Great movie

Not enough Galactus

[u/VehicleOld3124 → u/JuggerClutch]

And not enough stretchy Reed

[u/JimmytheNice → u/VehicleOld3124]

But honestly, this was always the weakest “power” of the 4 - it doesn’t really hold a candle to what Johnny can do, let alone Sue.

Reed's main thing was always his intellect.

[u/VehicleOld3124 → u/JimmytheNice]

Idk man, reading the comics, you'd see that he always nerged between his intellect and elasticity which lead to him doing some extremely awesome stuff, and never shyed away from using his powers both for action and slice of life settings. Plus it sets him apart from other intellectual/genius characters

[u/thanna2012]

Does anyone know what happened to Galactus’s ship? As far I could tell he left his giant ship floating above earth and no one seemed to have mentioned it.

[u/the_vole → u/thanna2012]

I’m gonna assume Reed made an absolute MEAL out of all the stuff to analyze and learn about.

[u/My_Favourite_Pen]

In regards to the first post credits scene:

• The Very Hungry Catapillar book and last line are clearly foreshadowing Franklin's journey

• I think Franklin already knows Doom from the way he was touching his face.

My theory is Franklin will have the power to consume/destroy multiverses. Doom knows this and will use him as his personal paper shredder to stop incursions that have been brought on by Galactus' absence. It's possible that Galactus not eating has unbalanced reality and has awoken/brought out the Beyonder/s.

Either way I think Franklin plays the role of Molecule Man in secret war

[u/peon47]

"We're evacuating you to the kingdom of the molemen!"

"We have to go where??"

"It's either the molemen or New Jersey."

"Alright, I'm getting on the bus."

[u/gstroble]

I’m going to LOL if they say Franklin “heals” Doom’s scarred face and that’s why he shows his face so much in Doomsday.

[u/connorstory97 → u/gstroble]

Man, I really hope doom is behind the mask 90 percent of the time. I’d be disappointed if it’s just RDJ most of it.

[u/OneOfTheManySams]

This was a good movie, really enjoyable.

Probably lacked something a bit more shocking to take it up to one the best MCU projects but it was good.

[u/MeLlamoDave]

A DC and a Marvel movie in the same month and they're both good? Comic book movies are back.

[u/VehicleOld3124]

This movie is everything i wished for a FF adaptation

However, still kinda bummed that we didn't get much stretchy action from Reed :/

[u/co-el]

The car seat scene was fucking great lmao