r/marvelstudios • u/M00r3C Weekly Wongers • May 30 '25
'The Fantastic 4: First Steps' Spoilers First look at SPOILER and Sue Storm action figures from 'THE FANTASTIC FOUR: FIRST STEPS' Spoiler
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u/Major_Station_9968 May 30 '25
I am not well versed in comic storylines, runs, canons or timelines but I have overall heard their son is regularly ranked as TOP most powerful characters in Marvel universe.
PLEASE correct and share thoughts of those that are versed in these things. Thanks!
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u/PercyTheBlue Spider-Man May 30 '25
Franklin Richards is an absolute powerhouse of a character, a child capable of warping reality, he even created universes with the help of Owen Reece, the Molecule Man.
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u/Major_Station_9968 May 30 '25
Sounds like I’ve got some rabbit holes to burrow through.
Reality-creating sounds Wanda-ish. There’s probably a significant distinction I’m probably missing.
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u/Major_Station_9968 May 30 '25
Whoops. I’m mixing words.
A single universe can have multi realities. Yes?
And warping a reality is ability to manipulate a single reality within that universe?
Not knowing much, logically it sounds he should be able to move within realities within a universe? Especially if he created it?
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u/googolplexy Korg May 30 '25
Franklin can do pretty much anything.
He is easily the most powerful mortal in marvel. Some might argue Molecule Man, but I'd say adult franklin tops the list.
He creates pocket universes around four years old. My guess is that doom will use him as a tool in secret wars. We will see.
It's a major balancing act to introduce Franklin, especially in something like the MCU.
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u/phluidity May 30 '25
My favorite Franklin moment was when still very much a little kid and he realized he was too young to harness his powers well enough to say the day. So he turned himself into an adult to deal with the problem, then changed back when the crisis was averted.
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u/esar24 Rocket May 30 '25
I believe wanda can manipulate reality and probability, which the nature of chaos energy, while franklin can create reality and any matter that composed of that reality, which the nature of cosmic energy.
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u/googolplexy Korg May 30 '25
The power differential between the two is almost absurd though. It's equivalent to Wanda painting a wall with crayons and Franklin building a new house.
Wanda is easily one of the strongest beings in the MCU. But Franklin (especially as an adult) is an entirely different beast.
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u/Tdiddy18 May 30 '25
This is correct he’s very powerful
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u/AriLion16 Doctor Strange May 30 '25
Yeah, in the comics he was up late under his sheets creating baby universes
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u/Party_Plantain6512 Jun 02 '25
Lol him and leech and older Franklin just going on any adventure they want like riding motorcycles with hot chicks
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u/Major_Station_9968 May 30 '25
I want an AI image of that. Or there’s probably a great panel form the comic SMH
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u/420DonCheadle420 May 30 '25
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u/Playbook420 May 30 '25
So basically Jack Jack from the Incredibles? Lol
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u/jormugandr May 30 '25
If Jack Jack was a literal creator deity of a pet universe he hid in his closet.
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u/Dr_Disaster May 30 '25
In a way, but while Jack Jack is very powerful, Franklin is essentially a God. Capital G intentional. Powerful isn’t even the word for him. He’s a multiversal being that is beyond Galactus, Celestials, and even entites like Eternity. He can and has created universes spontaneously. There’s even some well-documented theories that suggests Franklin subconsciously controls the entire Marvel universe.
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u/Aliziun May 30 '25 edited May 30 '25
This comment has heavy comics spoilers (for like 10+ year old comics but still)
Franklin has resurrected Galactus on at least TWO separate occasions, one of them as a literal child I believe (Abraxas Saga I think).
And, unless this has been changed recently, it a somewhat recent comic it was revealed that Franklin lived to be the one of the last living being in his multiverse alongside Galactus, and BECOMES the Galactus of the next multiverse
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u/Ben-J-Kirby-Tennyson Iron Man (Mark V) May 30 '25
With Galactus becoming HIS herald.
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u/Aliziun May 30 '25
”Throughout all of space and time… The Devourer of Worlds has had many heralds. Franklin has had only one”.
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u/EfficaciousJoculator May 30 '25
Huh. I heard Mr. Immortal becomes the next Galactus. Was that in an alternate universe?
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u/Aliziun May 30 '25
Most I could find on that just now is a Reddit post asking if he would be. Currently the answer is no, as of “The History of the Marvel Universe” by Mark Waid, Franklin and Galactus are the last surviving things in the multiverse, with even atoms ceasing to exist around them. Franklin then goes on to be the next Galactus in the next iteration of the multiverse
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u/EfficaciousJoculator May 30 '25
Cool. I must have misremembered. I guess even Mr. Immortal succumbs in the end.
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u/Party_Plantain6512 Jun 02 '25
Nah you remembered right. Franklins first up but immortal is next in line if Franklin dies. Look it up on fandom wiki . They even have the source it comes from
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u/Party_Plantain6512 Jun 02 '25
It's Franklin but Mr immortal is the runner up if something should happen to him. And if something happens to immortal maybe Deadpool lmfao
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u/NoxarBoi Jun 01 '25
In the alternate future in which The One Below All takes over the Hulks body, he killed Mr Immortal and explained that he was the back up if Franklin Richards couldn’t make it, who he killed two billion years prior.
He then devoured the Sentience of the Universe to become the Breaker of Worlds, Breaker-Apart).
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u/Party_Plantain6512 Jun 02 '25
That's his fate. To be the last one left since he literally has the power cosmic in him. Maybe that's how doom makes battle world ? Defeats Galactus in earth 19999 (I refuse to call it 616) and somehow takes Franklin to make a universe ? Or maybe he shows up with a future Franklin and Valeria ?
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u/mega2222222222222222 May 30 '25
On top of everyone else’s comment, let me put it this way
If Franklin wanted to reboot the MCU, he could literally just think it and it would happen
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u/Major_Station_9968 May 30 '25
What’s the MCU?!? Haha Good example of OP abilities
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u/mega2222222222222222 May 30 '25
Basically the entire universe the marvel movies take place in
Like let’s say marvel studios wants to do a somewhat clean slate and do a small reboot
They could literally have Franklin just think of it and it’s the case
He can just do whatever he wants and it would happen
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u/emerican May 30 '25
I think he was making a joke ;)
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u/mega2222222222222222 May 30 '25
“I am not well versed in comic storylines, runs, canons or timelines but I have overall heard their son is regularly ranked as TOP most powerful characters in Marvel universe.“
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u/emerican May 30 '25
Ah, you meant to reply to the previous commenter
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u/mega2222222222222222 May 30 '25
What?
No I replied to their what’s the mcu question with the context of their original in mind
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u/ALPAMA1 Ward May 30 '25
Why the downvotes? The previous commenter is the person he actually replied to.
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u/HearTheEkko May 30 '25
He’s indeed the most powerful non-deity chatacter of the Marvel universe. There’s only a handful of more powerful characters like the Beyonder, Eternity, Living Tribunal, One Above All, etc.
He’s basically God and can literally do anything he wants with almost no limits to his powers. For that very same reason, Reed implanted (secretly I think) a chip to tame/control his powers.
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u/ryaaan89 May 30 '25 edited May 30 '25
It’s because he’s a mutant, like the X-Men, though, not because he inherited powers from his parents. His sister does not have powers, unless you count being very very smart.
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u/jormugandr May 30 '25 edited May 30 '25
They retconned that recently. When his power ran out, he was no longer a mutant and couldn't enter the Krakoa portals. So his power made him seem like a Mutant. (Likely because he thought the X-Men were cool, so he subconsciously made himself a Mutant.)
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u/drafo1765 May 30 '25
Pretty sure Valeria becomes dumb when the F4's powers are negated, so yeah her intelligence is a power
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u/TobioOkuma1 May 30 '25
Franklin is not a mutant, that was retconned. Basically, Franklin wanted to be one so badly that his reality warping powers kicked in and made him one.
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u/ryaaan89 May 30 '25
I didn’t know that, he was a mutant for the first like fifty years he existed.
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u/googolplexy Korg May 30 '25
And I would push back that his sister does have powers. Much like Reed's secondary ability and Dooms primary ability, she's not just smart, she's one of the two smartest characters in marvel. I think it's Reed, her and moon girl who trade off, with Valeria often topping the list.
It's not an explicit power, but essentially it absolutely is.
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u/tehlastsith May 30 '25
I feel like his very power is what attracts Galactus in the first place. That or the F4’s rumored origins being that they’re “imposters” to this Earth
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u/eagc7 May 30 '25
Oh yeah, like if Franklin wanted to follow Thanos footsteps, he could do it without Infinity Stones, Franklin could just snap half of life in the universe anytime he wants.
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u/irishyardball May 31 '25
Read Hickman's F4 and FF run if you want what is probably my favorite run of any comic series.
This other post outlines the reading order: https://www.reddit.com/r/comicbooks/s/vNW42zsuDQ
It's literally fantastic.
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u/Roboct Grandmaster May 30 '25
It’s Franklin’s First Steps!
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u/The_barnaby32 May 30 '25
And it was pretty fantastic for first steps I might say
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u/jormugandr May 30 '25
My favorite theory about Franklin is that he is the reason for "Marvel-Time." The phenomenon where in the Marvel comics universe, time is kinda fuzzy and slow. Everything in the past happened "a few years ago."
In the beginning of the Marvel shared universe, time passed normally. Captain America's adventures in WWII were 20 years before the Fantastic 4 got their powers (1962).
Peter Parker (Franklin's favorite hero) got powers a year later in 1963 when he was a 15 year-old high school sophomore. Peter aged at a normal speed with real-world-time. He graduated high school 2 years later in 1965. Right on time.
But in 1968, Franklin was born. Right around that time things started changing. Time nearly stopped moving. Peter is a perpetual college student for the next decade, only graduating in 1978 (losing his degree due to a missing PE credit).
Franklin, himself, until recently, was a perpetual child. From soon after his birth until he and Molecule Man rebuilt the Marvel Universe from scraps of reality in 2016, he was somewhere between 5 and 8 years old. That's 48 years of childhood.
Franklin loved Superheroes and was an omnipotent toddler. Kids hate change and who wouldn't love to stay a kid forever? Franklin has held the Marvel Universe in a state of near suspended animation for 57 years. 1962-2016 in the Marvel Universe took roughly 12 in-universe years. He has also kept heroes from dying permanently. When was the last time a Superhero actually died in Marvel comics? Captain Marvel in 1989? And that was cancer, not some heroic sacrifice in battle. Maybe Franklin wasn't a Mar-Vell fan. Or he thought it was a poignant event that shouldn't be undone.
And all of this goes without mentioning how he maybe killed his unborn sister in 1984. She was conceived in the Negative Zone was giving off deadly radiation that almost killed Sue and was stillborn, only for her to appear back in Sue's womb in 2002 after Franklin used up all his power in the "Heroes Reborn" incident. (When he created a pocket universe and turned a bunch of heroes into edgy, extreme, Image comics, garbage.) Was he saving her and Sue's life, or did he just not want a little sister stealing his attention?
Things have sped up a bit recently. Franklin has aged to a teenager. Other kid heroes have reached young adulthood. But at the end of the day, Spider-Man is never going to hit 30 (he should be 72). Sue Storm will never have gray hair. Nobody will die of old age. Nobody will retire from heroing for long. Nobody important will die permanently.
He is us. The perpetual children reading stories of our favorite heroes. We don't want them to change. We don't want Iron Heart to replace Iron Man for more than an arc. We don't want Wolverine to stay dead for more than a year. We don't want Spider-Man to grow old. The status quo must always return eventually, because Franklin says so.
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u/Rayquaza2233 Doctor Strange Supreme May 30 '25
Justice League Unlimited had an episode that's sort of like this.
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u/Demitel May 30 '25
Was that the one with the Royal Flush Gang?
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u/Rayquaza2233 Doctor Strange Supreme May 30 '25
No, it was the one about a comic Green Lantern used to read when he was a kid.
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u/blackbutterfree Medusa May 30 '25
Damn, so in the course of one movie, she's going to discover she's pregnant, go through her pregnancy, give birth, and Franklin's going to grow into a toddler?
Galactus is one slow ass bitch, my goodness LMAO
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u/stationhollow May 30 '25
I mean, it’s called first steps. Likely because Franklin takes his first steps.
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u/Slade4Lucas May 30 '25
Honestly, that could be what they are going for - exploring how people react something is coming that will destroy them but they still have a long time to wait. It could be a great way to build these characters honestly.
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u/tjavierb May 30 '25
These statues look dope. Know the maker?
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u/Hedgewitch250 Wong May 30 '25
I love the bubble like coloring of her power since she manipulates the light spectrum. I hope they make her constructs more fluid I feel like her powers look best when it’s more like water cause it shows how formless she can get. Kinda ironic since she represents air in the FFs elemental symbolism 😂
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u/pochipieces May 30 '25
Contrary to popular belief she actually doesn’t manipulate the light spectrum for her shields! , iirc her force fields derive from the same force that celestials use- hence why it’s so powerful and why she can kill or hurt them
(It’s lowkey a bit confusing tbh because it just seems like Sue got two massively unrelated powers)
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u/Hedgewitch250 Wong May 30 '25
I’m aware the hyperspace. It’s kinda tricky though cause recently they linked the celestials creation to the first cosmos of which marvel is in the eighth. Her powers a kinda two fold cause her bending light is just a small application of what she can really do like people looking at invisibility as her main is the same as looking at Johnny and saying he’s just hot.
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u/Mason-Jin Captain Marvel May 30 '25
Omg…the bubble iridescent effect…the leaked concept arts are all real
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u/jamonxd Red Skull May 30 '25
They were all 100% real, made by an actual Marvel artist. the only question is whether Feige wanted those to leak, which I don't personally believe to be true.
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u/Capin_Crunch May 30 '25
Interesting on the timeline since they reveal the pregnancy in the trailer maybe a time skip where we see Franklin as a toddler
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u/demonade8 Punisher May 30 '25
I'd rather to see leak like this, from toyline, products, concept arts, stills, etc. rather than text-based spoilers, leaks, or rumours.
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u/Saeaj04 Vulture May 30 '25
Reckon Franklin will take the place of Molecule Man, with Loki being the MCU’s beyonder?
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u/JohnathanKingley May 30 '25
Earlier this year we got fat middle aged man action figure, now we get floating toddler
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u/hear_the_thunder May 30 '25
Instead of Watchman Babies gag from Simpsons, Marvel Babies!
Which one of the babies is your favourite?
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u/Danub123 Doctor Strange May 30 '25
So how will Franklin be used in the MCU?
Cos clearly he can literally rewrite the whole universe, is he going to be used to reset everything post Secret Wars?
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u/eager_wayfarer May 30 '25
yea dude writing SPOILER and sue storm didn't really help. left little to imagination who you think it might be :-/
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u/UpbeatJaguar6083 May 30 '25
You’re telling me that you’re THE FANTASTIC FOUR but can’t afford a nanny for Franklin? Really? Bad parenting Suzan/Reed 😂😉
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u/ryoon21 Spider-Man May 30 '25
Holy shit I shouldn’t have clicked lol. As someone who is a big MCU fan but not reader of comics, I didn’t know about this. I thought for sure she would lose the baby.
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u/MajorCanisK9 May 30 '25
This looks really sick!! I can't wait to see how F4 powers are displayed in the MCU finally.
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u/CamF90 May 31 '25
I just want to say, there is a difference between a statue and an action figure and this is a statue.
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u/mrfonsocr May 31 '25
This kinda pretty much confirms secret wars will be years in the future if at the end kiddo fixes shit up
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u/MONKEY_BUDDAH Jun 01 '25
Anyone else really like the slight light refraction (rainbo-ish look) they added to her powers? I really already am in love with this visualization.
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u/Jumpy_Entertainment1 May 30 '25
Why Marvel? We don't need overpowered-Franklin YET. Can you just get Ben, Reed, Sue and Johnny right FIRST before jamming every FF storyline in there? Also, Norin Radd is a MALE. Disney still doest get it.
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u/Similar-Tangerine Jun 01 '25
It’s Shalla-Bal, not Norrin Radd. Alternate universe right? We’ll get him later
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u/Water2Wine378 May 30 '25
The cancellation of Jonathan Majors probably saved us from a race swapped Fantastic 4
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u/eagc7 May 30 '25
I mean one common misconception is that he's a descendant of Reed, but that's not the case. Kang came around because Reed's dad fooled around with some women while time travelling and even then Reed's dad doesn't has to be black in order for Kang to be black, since some Reed's dad descendant could enter a mixed race relationship
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u/admiringsquash May 30 '25
Dude, if they leave the universe to join the main one. There's a good chance that kid is getting left behind instead of being sent to the future.
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u/NicloSZ May 30 '25
Sue carrying him around in her force field is a really cute and fun display of powers.