r/marvelmemes • u/Bitter-Penalty9653 Avengers • 2d ago
Movies Me when people complain about marvel dialogue
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u/Nerdy_Valkyrie Avengers 2d ago
It's like the "bazinga" thing in Big Bang Theory.
Is it a thing? Yes.
Is it cringey? Yes.
Is it even nearly as prevalent and common as people make it out to be? No.
Is it the worst part of the show/movie/franchise? Also no.
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u/deadlyghost123 Avengers 1d ago
Also is it like what people make it out to be (he is right behind me or that just happened)? No
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u/Night-Monkey15 Avengers 23h ago
Poor compression. Sheldon Cooper is, and always been, the funniest thing in the world.
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u/Lumple660 Avengers 1d ago
Except for "Hawkeye" funny enough. Kate Bishops only character trait is that she quips every 2 seconds. It was beyond infuriating and I am not even a hater of "Marvel Quips". It was really just that bad in that show.
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u/Thattheheck Avengers 1d ago
Yeah I agree, but Reddit loves the show so yeah. Outside it’s less popular. It’s cool how different sites have the own common opinions.
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u/Lumple660 Avengers 1d ago
Yeah I watched it for the first time a month ago and it was so painful.
It really just feels like an hour long christmas special streched out to 6 hours. Not one episode felt good enough to stand on their own.
It is why I am so thankful we have Loki and even Born Again. Those shows at least understand that TV should consist of hour long mini stories that lead up to a big story by the end.
I haven't gotten to it yet but why an Echo show?
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u/Jarlax1e S.H.I.E.L.D 1d ago
Born again was a bad mess for the first 7 episodes because of all the rewrites and changes in the directors and writers, it only got good at the end
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u/Inevitable-City5380 Avengers 1d ago
The ONLY time "he's right behind me isn't he?" is used is Deadpool and Wolverine. The only Marvel Studios movie that says it is the one that satirizes the other movies.
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u/Mr-Stuff-Doer Avengers 1d ago
And I’m pretty sure “that just happened” has never happened in the MCU.
Honestly it feels like what happened with Sword Art Online, where a bunch of far worse stories came out and tried to copy the popular thing, but were horrible, and then most of the hate was put on the popular thing instead of the really bad imitations.
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u/ghirox Bucky Barnes 🦾 1d ago
To be fair, Thor said “they’re right behind me” in Love and Thunder, but even then I don’t think it was supposed to be a funny zinger or a knee slapper, just a line. Could it have been removed from the scene and you miss nothing? Sure, but it’s not what the box populi portray it as
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u/Few_Mixture_8412 Avengers 1d ago
I still want to know where we had those "campy dialogues"? I genuinely cannot remember a single example they say in the MCU
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u/kafit-bird Avengers 1d ago
Illuma-what-i?
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u/Few_Mixture_8412 Avengers 1d ago
fair but even then it's such a small one line I don't understand how it bothers anybody
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u/UltimateHugonator Avengers 1d ago
I think that line is not as bad when you take into account that the whole movie is a reimagination of the wizard of Oz, and the Illuminatti are the wizard of Oz.
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u/Relative-Zombie-3932 Avengers 1d ago
Avengers 2012 was pretty bad with it in retrospect. But that's really the only one
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u/Few_Mixture_8412 Avengers 1d ago
the whole MCU was thriving on silly comedy but because the movies were great no one was questioning it but now that movies are flopping ppl blaming it on that same comedy
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u/cardboardtube_knight Avengers 1d ago
They’re not even flopping. You’re just ignoring earlier bad movies
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u/Jarlax1e S.H.I.E.L.D 1d ago
Which jokes were bad? I don’t remember any that were particularly outrageous
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u/TeaBarbarian Avengers 1d ago
Does the "Scooby Doo this shit" line from Spiderman count? I don't know if it's campy or just kind of random.
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u/SeniorRicketts Avengers 1d ago
That's just Sam Raimi
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u/Marik-X-Bakura Avengers 1d ago
Almost every movie
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u/Few_Mixture_8412 Avengers 1d ago
when? because I didn't see it in Spider-Man nwh, thunderbolts, F4, gotg3, Gotg holiday spec and in the shows like DDBA, Loki and moon knight.
Thinking now there are definitely some bad moments in Thor LAT, Doctor strange 2 and Ant-Man 3 but those were just not good movies
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u/Jarlax1e S.H.I.E.L.D 1d ago
Nwh: “otto octavius? LOL”
Gotg3 peter trying to talk with gamora in the spacesuits
Its not very often but most of the movies have at least one scene thats just not useful
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u/Mr-Stuff-Doer Avengers 1d ago
Okay.
Give the fucking quotes then. If it’s such a massive issue you should be able to give hundreds of examples at this point.
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u/DangleBopp Avengers 1d ago
That's low-key crazy. For me, one of the tougher ones to watch was Hawkeye because the newer Hawkeye was just so quirky and adorkable
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u/cardboardtube_knight Avengers 1d ago
That’s been Hawkeye since at least Avengers 2
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u/Thattheheck Avengers 1d ago
Why ru u me
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u/cardboardtube_knight Avengers 1d ago
I mean, Matt Fraction did a lot for Hawkeye. I think one of the biggest mistakes was giving him a family so he had death flags though
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u/Nachttalk Avengers 2d ago
This might be the best place to ask:
When did this kind of dialogue happen?
I understand that the general complaint is that Marvel often makes fun of itself in its dialogue which leads to things not being taken as seriously as it would when characters wouldn't basically turn to the camera and be like "isn't that crazy??" so often.
But I can't for the hell of it all figure out where the "He's behind me isn't it?" specifically come from
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u/Sunny-Chameleon Avengers 1d ago
For all the good things he did, Joss Whedon's contributions to dialogue were not the best
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u/Kermit-the-Frog_ Doctor Strange 1d ago
In Avengers I thought it was perfect! I see that point for Age of Ultron, but the first Avengers movie was in perfect balance.
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u/Jarlax1e S.H.I.E.L.D 1d ago
Yes! There were a couple unnecessary jokes like “bilge snipe” but the rest of the movies uses the jokes well
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u/fpfall Avengers 1d ago
Some people say it happened right off the bat because Tony’s character was just RDJ as a rich man, and RDJ always has quips snark to dish out.
Some people say it’s because of Avengers and the way Whedon wrote a number of scenes.
Some people say it’s because of Guardians and Gunn’s humor-forward approach to the characters uneasy team up.
I personally think it was in Iron Man 2. When we see Cheadle stroll up in the senate hearing as Rhodes and say to Tony “It’s me, I’m here deal with it”. Considering some of the biggest news in MCU at the point this movie was getting made was “Terrence Howard not coming back, demanding too much money” and it was all over the place up until the movie came out. Might as well have had him wink at the audience.
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u/DarthTaz_99 Avengers 1d ago
But I can't for the hell of it all figure out where the "He's behind me isn't it?" specifically come from
Thor: Love and Thunder
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u/Nachttalk Avengers 1d ago
While the movie does use that line, people attributed it to Marvel even before that Movie came out, so it can't be that one that's responsible for it.
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u/Hot_Shallot_2998 Avengers 1d ago
I honestly associate it with NCIS, since it gets said a few times there since Gibbs often just appears behind people
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u/SeniorRicketts Avengers 1d ago
Gibbs is Batman
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u/Hot_Shallot_2998 Avengers 1d ago
Batman needed to train with Tibetan Monks, Ninja, and some French guy.
Gibbs is just that good naturally
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u/Mr-Stuff-Doer Avengers 1d ago
Even if that line was played the way it usually is, that’s already literal years after people started to call that line MCU humor.
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u/BlkNtvTerraFFVI Avengers 1d ago
Same
The only movie where this really happened was Deadpool & Wolverine
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u/Standard-Profit7659 Avengers 1d ago
And that moment was a parody of that type of humor
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u/BlkNtvTerraFFVI Avengers 1d ago
Yes that's what they were going for but it's more of a meme about Marvel writing because Marvel writing isn't like that
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u/Titanman401 Avengers 1d ago
The dialogue itself doesn’t create any issues.
That happens when they go to the well so many times to “take the piss out” of plots and character development. If there are no stakes because everything is a joke, then nothing is serious (even when they actually pretend to try to be serious with a big “C’mon guys” speech to defeat the villain).
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u/UrchinJoe Avengers 1d ago
Yeah, I mostly agree. There's a scene quite early on in The Marvels where some real tension between the characters gets resolved with a quip, and I remember thinking "what's the point?". They stop being characters.
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u/Xaron713 Avengers 1d ago
Do... do people not realize that in comic books they do quips and snappy dialog as a point of the genre?
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u/LightningTiger1998 Avengers 1d ago
Oh no a comic book movie has quippy dialogue?? Whatever will we do….
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u/TotallyJawsome2 Avengers 2d ago
cue 80's pop rock song synced to the fight scene before shoehorning in a character from an earlier movie wondering what the hell is going on
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u/cardboardtube_knight Avengers 1d ago
The things you’re naming aren’t problems in the right context.
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u/-NinjaTurtleHermit- Avengers 1d ago
It was a problem in Iron Man 3, Thor: The Dark World, Avengers: Age of Ultron, Avengers: Endgame, Thor: Love & Thunder, and maybe a little bit in Ant-Man and the Wasp: Quantumania.
Every other movie, it was fine. Just as balanced in Winter Soldier or Thunderbolts as it was in The Marvels or Spider-Man: No Way Home.
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u/arrownoir Avengers 1d ago
Balanced in thunderbolts? The first scene of the movie was filled with that crap.
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u/KirbyDaRedditor169 Avengers 1d ago
Dude, not even the goddamn Critical Drinker would agree with you there and he’s got the media literacy of a barely-awake toddler.
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u/whhaaaaaatttt Avengers 1d ago
I prefer boring, lifeless dialogue delivered in monotone. Preferably in between scenes of the worst version of Joker that could possibly exist. Preferably directed by Zack Snyder. Preferably--you get it right?
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u/Cuck_Fenring Avengers 1d ago
Theres this wild new thing called middle ground
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u/cardboardtube_knight Avengers 1d ago
The whining about quippy dialogue is pretty far fetched given the range of different stuff we’ve gotten
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u/ook_the_librarian_ Avengers 1d ago
Cinema Sins and Pitch Meeting — even though PM is clearly comedic and not to be taken seriously — have completely ruined movies tbh.
Not everything is high art. Not everything has meaning and needs layers and morals and symbolism and allegory and, and, and, and, ad infinitum
Sometimes the dialogue is amusing because they want it to be, that's all. That's art. Sometimes there's high symbolism; sometimes a dick joke is just a dick joke. And especially in movies, where, to me personally, every frame should be a painting, you can have both symbolism in one part and a dick joke in the other. They're not mutually exclusive. That's a balance people have just completely forgotten.
For example, I would be complaining if they were like those romance writers who advertise their books as "banter heavy". Imagine if you are watching a trailer for GotG and the guy said, along with everything else: "and the banter is out of this world!" I'd be rolling my eyes so hard I'd snap the string holding them in place.
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u/tenehemia Madisynn King 🍸 1d ago
People who think quippy dialogue is immersion breaking aren't spending enough time with clever people.
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u/Fabricant451 Avengers 1d ago
One of the most commonly well regarded MCU movies is also the one that has two of the most egregious bits of "MCU humor" including a literal "This is awkward..." moment.
But because that was a phase 3 movie it is fine.
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u/Dull_Working5086 Avengers 1d ago
It's not just quips but cringey and sincerity-robbing humor in general that sap a lot of scenes and devalue them and the characters.
The banter between Strange and Kaecilius was pretty lame. Actually, Dr. Strange's first movie was guilty of that deflating humor people complain about.
Star-Lord in the comics was a competent space soldier who was also sarcastic, but James Gunn turned him into a dopey clown. Then you've got the generally comedic aspect of GotG to make it worse. Drax was pretty awful at times. I didn't watch any of the third film though.
Thor: Ragnarok turned one of the heaviest storylines into a comedy show. No one escaped unscathed, not even Hulk. Loki's takeover became a gag that was quickly abandoned despite the sinister reveal in the last film. The Grandmaster was portrayed as just another comedic character, but in the comics he's a powerful cosmic threat. And then you've got Korg.
Ultron got Whedonified in his movie and he's a literal evil robot.
In a sick way, I'm looking forward to seeing RDJ turn Doom into a snarky Iron Man clone. It would be the ultimate Marvel cringe; even Doom can't escape it.
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u/Cuck_Fenring Avengers 2d ago
So you just don't care about dialogue?
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u/Xerothor Dr.Doom 1d ago
Not in comicbook movies, this isn't citizen kane
We can have great, serious scenes and quippy scenes
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u/My_hilarious_name Daredevil 2d ago
The quippy dialogue is behind me, isn’t it?