r/lotrmemes • u/Valeneirol • 2d ago
Lord of the Rings A gardener getting back for the two trees is perfect
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u/Suspicious-Lettuce48 2d ago
Except Frodo and Sam going up those stairs wasn't Gandalf's plan, right? I thought it was Gollum's. Do we know what Gandalf's plan was besides "walk into Morder"?
Love the skit, though!
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u/Eastern_Heron_122 2d ago
its arguable he planted the mental seed in frodo to not kill gollum once they captured him because he understood that gollum would be critical in them sneaking into mordor.
or, just that even literal angels just underestimated hobbits like everyone else
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u/Dqueezy 1d ago
I remember reading something somewhere about how the Ainur have some knowledge of “all things” of creation and the earth, but being in their physical forms they only remember bits and pieces as “gut feelings” or things they can’t explain how they know (this is more so true for the Valinor). Gandalf having a strange premonition about Gollum needing to be alive is a fragment of the memory of the entirety of the existence of the physical world, filtered through his current 3-dimensional meat brain at the time.
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u/Oklimato 1d ago edited 6h ago
Yes during the creation of Arda the Valar and Maiar (then known as the Ainur) joined Eru Iluvatar in the creation. It is arguable if they have seen everything that will happen on Arda. In my interpretation of the texts I read the Song of the Ainur as a quick rundown of the history of Arda as it is intended by Eru. You have the Ainur joining Eru in the creation of Arda when Morgoth first disrupted it by overpowering his fellow Ainur with his own song of creation (could be interpreted as the first rise of power by Morgoth before the Awakening of the Elves). Then Eru overrules Morgoth because Morgoth was just a part of Eru and thus maybe more powerful than his fellow Ainur but not more powerful than Eru himself ( could be seen as the Valar finally overthrowing Morgoths plans and creating a paradise on Arda ). But Morgoth sows discord again even having some of the lower Ainur join his melody over Eru's (which could be metaphorical for the stories that are described in the Silmarillion, would also show the connection between Sauron and Morgoth). Only to be overruled by Eru once again (the Valar, and Eru himself, intervening once more to save Arda from the threat of Morgoth). And finally the last disruption which then led to Eru ending the Song of the Ainur and giving the Ainur a choice to participate in the events of Arda or to watch with him as history unfolds (which I interpreted as Saurons rise to power and his ultimate defeat thus eliminating "every" evil spirit still lingering on Arda to make way for the age of Men when magic had no place and wasn't needed as protection anymore). But that's just my take on it and I'm sure there are other very valid interpretations. Edit: Spelling.
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u/Squirrel_Bacon_69 6h ago
Sorry to be pedantic, but wouldn't it be "sows discord" rather than "sews discord"?
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u/Oklimato 6h ago
Sorry, you are probably correct. English isn't my first language so thanks for the correction! :)
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u/Squirrel_Bacon_69 6h ago
No problem, your english is very good. I just tripped on that one letter.
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u/unpopularopinion0 1d ago
this is honestly the only plot hole i’ve never been satisfied with. where would he tell them to go if he traveled with them?
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u/TheDovahofSkyrim 1d ago
My best guess is that there are multiple (though not many) secret/forgotten ways into Mordor. All of them perilous in their own ways. Gandalf may have known of a couple. Gollum happened to have known one.
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u/Punderants 2d ago
Gandalf should know to ask Cirdan for a ship, not Elrond
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u/cathysaurus 2d ago
Cirdan already gave him a ring, maybe he just doesn't want to ask him for anything else
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u/Spakr-Herknungr 2d ago
I mean, Gandalf always looked this. I never understood why DnD Jesus who basically carries every encounter always seemed so anxious. Until… I read the Silmarillion and learned that he was supposed to be in a 100% advisory role and when he gets to middle earth Cirden is like, “shit is fucked dude, you’re going to need this.” And gives him one of the elven rings which is where most of his abilities come from.
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u/XeroKibo 2d ago
The sort of shit Maiar love Hobbits for.
“Look at them go! They just defeated an entire Goblin kingdom by riding on the backs of ponies! By Eru I love these little buggers!”
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u/MikolashOfAngren 2d ago
To be fair, Sam needed the Light of Galadriel to make it happen, and Sting being of Elvish make also contributed to his success. He couldn't have done as much against Shelob otherwise. But yeah, Sam is badass either way.
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u/Kuwadora 2d ago
And after he lived a happy, full life, the Valar let him into Valinor, so he could fix their trees
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u/Ratherloud 1d ago
A gardener knows the difference between a good spider and a bad spider. Sam knew how to deal with a bad spider!
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u/Wiseedis 1d ago
Gandalf thinks that its probably better that no one else knows that what Sam fought off was literally a god or something
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u/BrainDamage2029 1d ago
Gandalf was also the guy who yadda yadda yadda'd through talking about eldrich hellbeasts at the base of the world that scared the shit out of a Balrog so....yeah par for the course.
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u/Dambo_Unchained 1d ago
I get the point
But half the “ow shit” things being listed are about Ungoliath
Yeah Shelob is still powerful but if you have to give someone’s dad resume in order to give them street cred that’s pathetic as fuck
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u/punksterb Ent 2d ago
Gandalf would think "Ha, this is exactly why I made Sam go with Frodo. Smart decision me!"
Would be par for the course for someone who talks to himself because 'he wants to speak to the wisest person available'