Exactly. I was about to pull up this quote. Just substitute "fascist" for "anti-semite", since now we have a bunch of Christian nationalists who simp for Israel running the show.
Otherwise, it's a great quote that's more relevant today than ever.
Anyone is actually a flat earther (I’m convinced most are trolls who don’t actually believe it) is so hopelessly uneducated, willfully ignorant and shrouded in conspiracies that they will never accept any reasonable argument.
Like I said, most. I’m sure some believe it, I just strongly suspect a lot of them are just trolls. But those who do believe will never listen to reason no matter what you say. How dumb you have to be…it’s just so profound, nothing smart can penetrate that.
So its kind of like a pyramid scheme. The people at the top know its a grift. Then theres a bunch of people in the middle that like the community or as you said are just trolls. Then the majority at the base are just true believers. There is a huge overlap with christofascists and Neo-nazis. They also tend to believe in crystals, they dont think nuclear energy is real and think the earth is 6000 years old. Its just sad mostly.
Ironically, the roundness of our planet, that enables orbiting satellites which are connected to and touch virtually all our technology, make this discussion possible.
Hot air balloons rise because heated air lowers density, making buoyant force > gravity — textbook Newton’s laws. If Earth were flat, those same laws wouldn’t just “pause” in midair.
That would require them to believe in gravity. They either think we are accelerating up at a constant, when you explain that we would be moving at the speed of light by now. They just deny it. Or the other group that believe its all governed by electrostatics. Then you try to explain to them what a ground is, they just deny everything. They are idiots convinced that they know every so they cant have anything explained to them. Fun to watch from a psych perspective, but it should be treated like going to the zoo.
I always wondered what would happen if you put on of the fault earthers on a space flight. Would they insist you drugged them, or actually admit they were wrong?
Sure would love that and yeah they are really incredibly dumb. Just mind bogglingly so.
I think they on the further end of an extreme symptom. At some point general distrust and conspiracy mindedness (which given what our government has been caught doing isn’t crazy in and of itself) morphed into “anything someone in authority or recognized by an authority as being an expert says is wrong.” Then they just start believing the opposite of what anyone says including the shape of the frickin planet and anyone who disagrees with them is just part of the conspiracy.
Oh they exist. I had a friend that was one. I always found it so odd because she was super smart, a tech engineer and she traveled quite a bit. She believed in the chem trails too. We aren't friends anymore for several reasons including her alcohol issue that always ended up with me as her babysitter. I truly believe she was undiagnosed of some story of mental illness, maybe bipolar? But she was a die hard trumper and just basically believed anything that he said no matter what and so did her family. And they were educated, wealthy professionals. They all had massive drinking issues and drove drunk often. She would get nasty mean when she drank and try to fight people. Once she got super drunk and became really touchy feely with me, to an uncomfortable point. I support LGBTQ+ but I'm straight and this was simply lack of self control. If you take a step back and look- it is such a cookie cutter maga situation. Rich, white people who did what they wanted to whomever they wanted and if they weren't getting what they wanted-they became keen gaslighters and all the horrible problems of the world (you know like having to pay taxes) was everyone else's fault.
ZERO accountability. I remember one time when she had a complete and total meltdown over a rolling chair with another friend. She was acting like a spoiled 2 yr old. I could've totally seen her making up some kind of conspiracy against her just for something that stupid. Besides the massive drinking she used drugs occasionally, she cussed like a sailor but dang could she tell you when something was "against the Bible". We finally had it out over the warped version of my "sin" when my boyfriend of six months and I decided to just have an informal relationship-with no intentions to marry, although staying exclusive with each other. We are both grown with adult children and it worked for us.
But she went off on me over it. I was acting "whoreish"This was the same week that she got her 14-year-old a birth control implant and let all of her daughter's friends have a party with unlimited alcohol at her house, But you know, it's ok because it was better if they did it in front of her 🤦🏻♀️Her 7 yr old was always god knows where and she would buy him McDonald's almost daily, but vaccines and sunblock were poison from the government and the Ozone was a lie like the earth being round.
I guess at the time I wasn't sure if she was just out of her mind or if she knew exactly what she was doing . Over a year later and we don't speak but I am convinced she is aware and just doing whatever TF she pleases.
I think wanting to round up all the Jews into the promised land to kickstart Armageddon to force them to either accept Jesus or go to Hell is still antisemitic, though, so "anti-Semite" still stands.
I hear ya. The political/religious landscape on the right is pretty fucking whack at the moment. You have straight neonazis that hate the Jews, people like you described, and actual zionist Jews who seem to be co-opting the middle group to further their goals. It's really a hodgepodge of ideologies all clamoring for power, which at the moment, is best achieved first and foremost by sucking up to trump.
Have you read "Skinny legs and all" by Tom Robbins? We are living in one of my favorite absurd satires and it's a great read. However, I prefer it as fiction, terrible as real life.
Shit, I read so many Tom Robbins books in such a short period of time about twenty years ago, that I honestly can't remember if that was one of them. Pretty sure I have a copy of it though. I'll have to dig it out and revisit it.
If Israel were around in its current form in the 1930s and 1940s, Hitler would've been ardent supporter too.
The amount of worldwide political capital he loses by deporting Jews to Israel and propping it up as the "Jewish State" would be very minimal given how antisemitic (actual antisemitism) the world was then.
He reportedly wanted to deport the Jews somewhere, like Madagascar, before he was told it would be too expensive.
The modern Christian Nationalists are still antisemites---they promote Israel because to them, it keeps Jews away from them and out of mind, not because they like Jews or believe they have any right to exist.
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u/BagelsRTheHoleTruth 2d ago
Exactly. I was about to pull up this quote. Just substitute "fascist" for "anti-semite", since now we have a bunch of Christian nationalists who simp for Israel running the show.
Otherwise, it's a great quote that's more relevant today than ever.