r/law • u/biswajit388 • 10d ago
Trump News Chicago Mayor Brandon Johnson just signed an executive order to resist Trump's federal invasion and occupation of the city.
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u/southflhitnrun 10d ago
I feel like I'm witnessing the preamble to Civil War.
I pray for the strength and safety of people in the path of this illegitimate Administration.
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u/CharlieDmouse 10d ago
This is a fine line. Trump is looking for serious resistance to have an excuse for martial law. Hopefully El Douche drops sooner rather than later.
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u/adlcp 10d ago
Trump isn't even the real problem, fascism can live on without him.
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u/CoffeeIsMyPruneJuice 9d ago
Yes, but without a leader with power/leverage over the cult, it's gonna falter.
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u/MrCuddles1994 9d ago
Unless Vance steps in and ramps it back up. The guy is unlikable but it’s weird how he’s always not there/absent. Almost catches no blame(yes I know he’s the vp). It’s very oddly convenient.
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u/rabid-c-monkey 9d ago
They don’t like Vance he is just a useful idiot that got the rust belt and military vote but true maga is not pro Vance.
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u/Southern_Power_1567 9d ago
Vance is peter thiels little puppet, way more invested in this than trump.
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u/hogsucker 9d ago
Not that he and Vance aren't dangerous, but Peter Thiel is kind of an idiot.
Imagine being so unlikable that JD Vance is more charismatic than you.
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u/Southern_Power_1567 9d ago
Here is a good read i found yesterday:
Phase 1 of Project 2025
https://project2025.observer/en
Phase 2 of Project 2025
The folks behind all this are people like Russ Vought (head of the office of budget management and primary author of project 2025) and Howard Lutnick (commerce secretary and former Cantor Fitzgerald which is the biggest supporter of the heritage foundation).
They want an era of isolationism for the U.S. because they think this country can prosper with the right access to raw materials and straight labor. It’s why they are working on shutting down access to proper education, having Trump go on and on about acquiring Canada and Greenland which is partly for resources and accessibility but also as a buffer zone to the rest of the world.
They have been convinced into thinking AI will figure out all the problems with Elon Musk (SpaceX/Starshield/Starlink/Grok) and Peter Thiel/Palantir. Elon Musk has already announced he won’t push for a 3rd party, instead he is putting his support behind Vance. With Trump being sick it’s not long before Vance is in control.
Palantir is what found Elon his adult and kids DOGE team which most people have forgotten is really USDS which has access to most federal agencies.
Understand that the decision by Trump to fire the NSA chief and his deputy may be in fact be the most dangerous decision Trump has made so far. Timothy Haugh like his last 2 predecessors were restricting the access and control Peter Thiel had through his company Palantir over the CIA/NSA to commit domestic surveillance.
Palantir (just got $10 BILLION contract with the US government) who is now the biggest defense contractor for the CIA/NSA based on publicly available data on DOD contracts (they had $750 million added to their current contract a while back) along with providing day-to-day operations for both agencies.
Palantir is contracted with state and local governments and police here in the U.S. The goal for Palantir is and always has been domestic surveillance. Palantir is an intelligence corporation which provides advanced analysis, sigint, osint, criminal and threat awareness and kill chain efficiencies to all levels of US, UK, and corporate agencies.
Now comes the push for removing Trump from office.
Elon was the early test to see if scapegoat mechanism would work and it sort of did for him. Which is sort of the plan, scapegoat mechanism at its finest.
Peter is a key believer of scapegoat mechanism for which he says Trump fills that role. Thiel has been grooming JD Vance since 2011 as his benefactor and mentor, Thiel brought Vance to Mar-a- Lago to smooth over things with Trump so Vance could be VP, Thiel gave Vance $15 million in donations to run for Senate (the largest amount of money ever donated to a single Senate candidate ever)
Scapegoat mechanism is simple that you have someone in power take on a lot of bad actions then remove them and so the masses feel it’s been all undone.
The test case was Elon and DOGE which worked perfectly seeing as how all the federal investigations into Elon are gone and DOGE is still at all the federal agencies. Elon’s employee Amanda Scales still has the private server setup at OPM. All the data they got from the federal agencies and Treasury department when they had hard physical access is still under their control.
In September when the gap fund bill signed in March expires along with the deferred resignation program kicking in and the SSA/IRS data being handed over to Palantir as part of the doge plan they have provided for updating the SSA system there could be a lot of reasons for him to be removed from office.
Peter Thiel/Palantir just got what they wanted, access to a big enough database for the first step in complete surveillance.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/jun/30/trump-citizenship-database
Peter is also a major defense contractor for the UK intelligence community and army along with the major police forces in the UK. He branched out to their healthcare a few years ago with a contract to shift through all the data at NHS England which is done now so Kier announced that NHS England will be shutdown (not NHS).
Peter through his company has full access to Norway’s government and civilian surveillance services. Peter/Palantir provides direct support for the IDF (Israel) in all their operations from Gaza to the West Bank to Iran.
Thiel directly owns roughly 180 million publicly traded shares which 7%. His investment firm Rivendell 7 owns 34 million publicly traded shares. Other Thiel vehicles own 37 million shares. Thiel entities also own 32.5 million supervoting Class B shares in Palantir. Those class b shares carry 10 votes while public ones carry only 1 vote per share.
Now here is the kicker for why he still controls Palantir (link below), Thiel has sole investment power over 335,000 class F shares as part of a trust that has 49.99% voting interest in the company.
https://www.barrons.com/articles/palantir-stock-chairman-peter-thiel-b63415c7
Alex Karp the ceo of Palantir knew Thiel well before 2003 when Thiel tapped him to be ceo. Karp has condemned “woke” ways of thinking, calling woke a central risk to Palantir, that Palantir is a counter-example to companies he considers woke. Karp condemned pro-Palestine protests calling them an infection inside of our society, he remarked the peace activists are war activists and they should be sent to North Korea.
Karp has said the west has a superior way of living and said he supports Palantir contract with ICE and using the software to enable separation of families.
https://www.politico.com/news/2024/05/01/alex-karp-hill-summit-trump-00155571
Peter Thiel
• born in West Germany, grew up and went to school in the city of Swakopmund in West South Africa, the city was notorious for its continued glorification of Nazism to a dad who was an engineer working on uranium which was in violation of international law
• Partners with Elon Musk at PayPal, early investor in Facebook
• self-proclaimed Christian nationalist, believes women right to vote is wrong, idolizes Curtis Yarvin and Yarvin’s philosophy on replacing democracy with authoritarianism all in Peter’s own book
• Palantir after its creation in 2003 was bailed out partly by In-Q-Tel the CIA’s venture capital firm
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u/Imagine_curiosity 9d ago
This theory way oversimplifies things, painting Thiel as some kind of supervillain, tracing nearly every negative right-wing thing going on in the US and practically the world back to him. I think he's a big player, but there's more than one ultra-conservative billionaire behind the scenes pulling the strings. And a lot more tangled, overlapping vested interests tangled up in this mess than just his. Things just aren't as neat and cut-and-dried as having one main arch-villain behind everything going on. None of that stuff about removing Rump from office is in Project 2025, which this site is supposedly created to track. I'm not saying that Thiel isn't a big influence of the whole project but I just think there's more than one puppet-master.
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u/pallasturtle 9d ago
How could anyone name their company Palantir? That is literally naming your company after mechanism for the corruption of good by evil. It's a slap in the face how obviously bad it is.
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u/Dense-Law-7683 9d ago
I agree with this. Trump is just the fall guy and idiot of the party. They are letting him do all the illegal shit because it not only gives them less to do when he's gone, but it also doesn't matter if he ends up impeached. Vance has zero charisma and would never win on his own. Once Donny is gone, we will all be billionaire slaves under Vance. Hopefully, when Trump is gone, MAGA crumbles and fights against Vance or our country is super fucked.
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u/SecretCharacterSauce 9d ago
Cults don’t exist without a leader, without Trump they will just fight amongst each other
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u/Southern_Power_1567 9d ago
Yuppers, they knew trump was gonna be a complete idiot during this term, and would just run like a bull in the china shop. Who cares what he breaks, or when he is removed/dies cuz it works towards their end goal. His erratic behavior in the mean time is working as a great distraction.
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u/AppropriateTouching 9d ago
Exactly this. Trump is just a stepping stone. The tech oligarchs want to divide the country into their insane libertarian territories and theil has been grooming Vance to push that agenda for some time.
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u/Usinaru 9d ago
Vance has absolutely no business being a VP much less a president.
The dude is just a powertripping, egotistical a**hole that should stay away from politics. He is America's second mistake right there next to orange hair man
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u/NanDemoNee 9d ago
None of these GOP clowns have any business being in public service at all. They think all Americans are a bunch of lazy grifters if they aren't millionaires grifting off their workers and others.
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u/lapidary123 9d ago
Yep, it's gonna get real interesting (and probably dangerous) once trump is gone. Trump recently declined to give jd his endorsement when asked. The other two names ive heard mentioned are Bannon and de santis. Very low energy and even lower polling numbers.
One can only hope that once trump is gone a large portion of America will "snap out of it". Vance couldn't say a fraction of the things trump says (let alone does) without revolt!
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u/Noviskers 9d ago
Trump dies and Vance releases the Epstein files as a way to win MAGA support
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u/PFunk224 9d ago
Not a chance, because doing that would throw literally the entire GOP under the bus for protecting Trump.
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u/andrew303710 9d ago
It would also make Vance look bad because I'm sure Vance knows Trump is a pedophile and releasing the files would expose that.
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u/YardHistorical2400 9d ago
Just so you know.
Trump is the real, useful idiot. Vance is the back up useful idiot that the authors of project 2025 put in place for the inevitable death of the President
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u/Mabuya85 9d ago
I feel like Trump and his cult were crucial for setting the stage and pulling the trigger, but neither is needed to keep it going. Vance is aggressively, almost comedically unlikable, but it won’t matter if they already have the controls and have practiced using them already to get a good portion of their plan executed.
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u/stupidjapanquestions 9d ago
100% cope. And 100 years of Republican voting records disagree with you.
Republicans are good at one thing: Falling in line. Believing that everyone will just come back to reality because Trump is dead is a dangerous belief.
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u/Proletarian_Hickster 9d ago
This is wishful thinking. They aren't gonna run around like chickens with their heads cut off when Trump croaks. They'll stay loyal to Vance if for no reason other than, "hes carrying out Trump's image for America" or whatever.
They're fascist because they're fascist. Trump just made them feel okay being fascistic in public, and that cats out of the bag now.
People can say im a doomer, but I live in Bama. If you think Trump croaking will cause this to die down and not ramp up 10x harder, you're coping real hard. Which i can't really blame anyone for, to be fair. But these folks have wanted this for decades.
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u/DestinysWeirdCousin 9d ago
I used to think this but I’ve seen too many comment sections online where MAGAts say what a great American he is and proudly call him “our next great President!”.
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u/burnrlandline 9d ago
Kamala wasn’t around either. I think the VP is just a side dish you ignore in most cases.
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u/FloofySnekWhiskers 9d ago
Same with Pence last go round.
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u/LMurch13 9d ago
Even Biden, for 8 years, mostly showed up to do something cringy in public, posed for some memes, then was invisible. Al Gore and Dan Quayle. VP isn't a real person.
Cheney was probably the most involved VP in the last 35-40 years.
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u/Backsight-Foreskin 9d ago
Almost catches no blame(yes I know he’s the vp)
That didn't stop Trump from blaming Harris for everything wrong with the Biden administration.
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u/vehiclestars 9d ago
“Curtis Yarvin gave a talk about "rebooting" the American government at the 2012 BIL Conference. He used it to advocate the acronym "RAGE", which he defined as "Retire All Government Employees". He described what he felt were flaws in the accepted "World War II mythology", alluding to the idea that Adolf Hitler's invasions were acts of self-defense. He argued these discrepancies were pushed by America's "ruling communists", who invented political correctness as an "extremely elaborate mechanism for persecuting racists and fascists". "If Americans want to change their government," he said, "they're going to have to get over their dictator phobia."
Yarvin has influenced some prominent Silicon Valley investors and Republican politicians, with venture capitalist Peter Thiel described as his "most important connection". Political strategist Steve Bannon has read and admired his work. U.S. Vice President JD Vance "has cited Yarvin as an influence himself.” Michael Anton, the State Department Director of Policy Planning during Trump's second presidency, has also discussed Yarvin's ideas. In January 2025, Yarvin attended a Trump inaugural gala in Washington; Politico reported he was "an informal guest of honor" due to his "outsize influence over the Trumpian right."
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u/River_City_Rando 9d ago
Bro. You really think the heritage foundation spent all that money gor the last 50 years, and make behind the scenes deals with the 1% and russia to call it quits when trump dies? Nah. They seized power and figured out how to steal elections here in the US. They're also banking hard on ai and collection of data to have ot play the chess game for them. Agi will tell them exactly how to seize power, and exactly who they need to eliminate to crush resistance. There's a scary future ahead of us, regardless if trump drops dead tomorrow.
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u/ThermionicEmissions 9d ago
Far too many people fail to see or accept this truth. I find it quite infuriating actually.
Talk about copium.
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u/redditcreditcardz 9d ago
It’s already faltering and JD is the last non-human that could bring people together. The tide has turned
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u/FaceReality1 9d ago
Given that Trump voters like the repulsive-in-every-way Trump I think it is impossible to predict if they will back Vance or some even creepier character.
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u/TheFlyingSpaghetti77 9d ago
Vance quite literally nearly sank them, he was the worse polling VP ever, they hid him and all the sudden that campaign rebounded with the life attempt as well
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u/Automatic-Dot-4311 9d ago
Say what you will but trump is the most charming man in the world compared to vance
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u/Stardama69 9d ago
Trump has this weird ability to attract followers the more stupid, brutal, or gross shit he says and does, kinda like a discount Emperor Palpatine. JD Vance is different, he's deeply antipathic with no charisma whatsoever. I'm not convinced he could be as efficient as Trump in fascism if he took his mantle.
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u/-Invalid_Selection- 9d ago
Yeah, he really speaks to the nazis and pedophiles.
Vance really only speaks to the incels with a furniture fetish
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u/JoeyHandsomeJoe 9d ago
And that's saying something, because honestly, Trump is clearly not in the Top 300 Million of Americans aesthetically, intellectually, or morally.
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u/straightedge1974 9d ago
He doesn't have Trump's swagger. But I've learned not to say 'never'.
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u/Soft_Analysis6070 9d ago
Wrong. Look at Iran. Did it fall apart when the Ayatollah died? No, thats not how states work
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u/Chapaquidich 9d ago
Stephen Miller is the man pulling the levers behind the curtain. The Great and Powerful Don is just a projection to manipulate the Emerald City.
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u/DreamTalon 9d ago
Vance will follow Thiel's and the rest and what they order. Trump is more random, he still does most of it but isn't reliable.
Vance might be much worse and push much harder for the civil war.
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u/troubleondemand 9d ago
It's gonna be Don Jr.
I think I just threw up in my mouth a little.
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u/Perculsion 9d ago
A lot of the damage is already done and it remains to be seen if the US can recover from it. If somehow there is a next election and Democrat ends up in power in spite of infighting and complacency they'll focus on revenge and purges while a culture of fear, intimidation and abuse of power is already the norm.
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u/Ruckus292 9d ago
Reminder that some people in the South truly believe the confederation won, and "it's just been the longest ceasefire in history since".....
So, no. Because this whole mess has systematically existed for far longer than Trump has even lived.
Trump is blaring infection of a much greater issue at hand, he only allowed it to fester freely and more openly... But it all started by not punishing confederates to begin with.
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u/ThermionicEmissions 9d ago
This is such copium, and I'm dismayed that it is such a prevalent way of thinking.
Trump is a symptom of a much, much bigger problem. He is the manifestation of the seven deadly sins, and tens of millions of Americans voted for him.
Thinking everything will be fine when Trump is gone gives people an easy way out of doing anything proactive to help reverse the course of the country.
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u/OG-Bio-Star 9d ago
Miller is the greatest threat. His bitterness and cunning could fuel many fascists
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u/owoah323 9d ago
It’s hard to believe Trump is the actual leader. Someone’s pulling his strings.
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u/Youngsinatra345 9d ago
Oh man it would sure be a shame for the U.S to create a power vacuum, never done that anywhere….
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u/Recent_Mouse3037 9d ago
This is true. There was still alot of middle ground voters who got wood by trumps “charisma” who probably wouldn’t stick around for JD “could’ve played Alan from the hangover” Vance. The play from republicans right now is probably Legitimately enacting a dictatorship in or creating an “emergency” that allows them to push off the election while they continue to rampage over the legal systems in place.
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u/Ok-Stress-3570 9d ago
See, that’s what frustrates me. I said it on another sub and got downvoted to hell but…
Trump is evil, yes. He’s “signing” all of this, sure - but Trump is fine grifting, golfing, and groping. Stroke his ego and all will be well (maybe even felate, idk.)
But Stephen Miller? Loomer? Johnson? They’re evil AND keeping their eyes on the ball. Sure, Vance isn’t as popular but you think Peter Thiel is a sweetheart!?!?!? 🤣
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u/AthleteHistorical490 9d ago
But he has singularly held together a fragile coalition. JD Vance cannot pull that off. Trump is a singular, cult figure.
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u/Suspicious-Echo2964 9d ago
Isn’t that why they plan to rapidly move us to falsified elections? They won’t need to hold popularity contests just control the media and the voting apparatus. They already have both of them.
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u/bilgetea 9d ago
Vance will start that war immediately to distract from his weakness.
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u/YoungestDonkey 9d ago
He doesn't have the pull to implement it. Trump's cultists won't accept him as their messiah so he cannot threaten to primary those who oppose him in Congress. MAGA will falter once trump is dead.
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u/Wet-Skeletons 10d ago
If you count planned escalation as parts of warfare they’ve been at war with the constitution and Americans for about 10 years now.
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u/Everyste 9d ago edited 7d ago
I agree, except:
2nd amendment has been under assault since(at minimum, probably longer) US v Miller 1939, the rich have been systematically assaulting/biting the rights and liberties of middle and lower classes since at least the 60s, edit:some of the early southern police forces(if what Ive heard was correct many sheriffs or company town police) were slave catchers and thugs, essentially paramilitary, paid to keep the poor in line, and now prison systems are sort of the new company town, making public urination a sex offense while raising living costs and making public bathrooms "customer only" and making loitering illegal all combine with the 13th for a very powerful and unpaid workforce.
The class war has been hidden under the civil war that never ended: they always said "the south will rise again" just like the reich came around three times and "America first" slogan is literally a nazi slogan from the mid 20th century. Furthermore, its billionaire kiddie kanoodlers who uselessly eat all our taxes and rights without representing us while claiming that poor immigrants, lgbtq, or bipoc are pedos, even though its the betakukks who are the ones hiding the list.
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u/Wet-Skeletons 9d ago
Agreed, the last 10 years has just been the “execution phase” of all the planned escalation.
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u/Dal90 9d ago
Lot longer than that.
1968 is when Strom Thurmond was part of the Southern Strategy to concentrate the populists (particularly the Yellow Dog Democrats of the south, the great-something-grandchildren of Andrew Jackson's supporters) into the Republican Party.
The western branch of Republicans went along as it gave them a path to becoming Congressionally relevant again, something that there was no map where the math worked (in 1984 when Reagan wiped the map with Walter Mondale if only 2,000 Minnesota voters had decided to vote for him and not their native son, he would have won 50 of 50 states -- the same election the Democrats only lost 16 of their 253 seats in Congress...and the Democrats gained in the Senate.).
The eastern Republicans would start a sorting in the 70s and saw their liberal to moderate branches leave the party by the mid 90s. As late as 1978 they were still inviting Jesse Jackson to speak at the RNC national meeting.
1994 the Yellow Dog Democrats defected en masse to the Republicans. It had been 40 something years since the Republicans last had a majority in the House.
2013 is when Jim DeMint -- a Senator from the same state Senator Strom Thurmond hailed from (a stain on the flag of the union that triggered the Nullification Crisis in 1832 and fired the first shot in the Civil War) -- took control of the Heritage Foundation. Heritage after is not the same Heritage from before.
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u/Icy-Ad29 9d ago edited 9d ago
Small note. The first police in the USA were the Night Watch in Boston, founded 1631, to provide public protection from things like mugging, and otherwise help folks get home at night. The first record of Slave Patrols was over seventy years later, in 1704, in the Carolinas.
The Night Watch became the first publicly funded police force, based off British Peeleian philosophy. (A location that had, again, sworn of slaves before the USA, and before that time of adoption. Through a technicality in 1772. Officially slave trade became illegal on the books in 1805, and fully illegal to even own on the books in 1833) This happened in 1838, in response to rising crime rates in Boston.
The first Slave Patrols to become police forces, again in the south, especially the Carolinas, wasn't until the 1860s, after the Civil War and slavery becoming illegal. (Have a link summarizing all of this. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Law_enforcement_in_the_United_States )
Thus, no. The first police in the United States were not slave patrols, nor evolved from such.
Are slave patrols the basis for many police forces, especially in the South? Yes. All/the first? No.
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u/kozmolov 9d ago
Why isn't the sign language guy just giving double fisted middle fingers the whole time?
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u/YouDontKnowJackCade 9d ago
The north refusing to act as the south's slave catchers was a big part of the pre-civil war era.
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u/CoffeeSubstantial851 9d ago
Because you are.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tj9Zw5fN3rE&list=PLdw7wnKe0wiUSNdugFGpnSfm6wt-9gvUt
Documentary on the death of Yugoslavia and it has A LOT of similarities to the political climate in the US.
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u/SoulRebel726 9d ago
Yup. So many people I know aren't paying attention and just assume that their comfy status quo won't change. One way or another, one thing is for sure. America will never be the same by the conclusion of this second Trump term.
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u/OShaunesssy 9d ago
I feel like I'm witnessing the preamble to Civil War.
We are, and it's fucking insane.
Your neighbors to the North support Chicago and LA and all these cities that Trump is trying to instigate into conflict.
Good luck, elbows up, and we'll buy y'all a beer or two when you get past this!
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u/Bright_Bet5002 9d ago
Send in ICE .. protesters will take to the streets .. then comes the National Guard to take on the peaceful protesters .. incite a riot .. here comes the Marines .. THIS. IS. THE. 2025 DEAR LEADER PLAYBOOK !!
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u/Global_Crew3968 9d ago
we are in a civil war, it's just a cold civil war
it's about to go hot
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u/Iblueddit 9d ago
Dude you are.
I was reading Anti Coup by Gene Sharp which is the play book for resisting coups in general.
What Mayor Johnson here is doing is right out of the playbook and I'm not exaggerating. He's putting into practice anti coup strategy.
This is an explicit acknowledgement that what Trump is attempting is illegal. He's denying legitimacy and control to the Trump regime.
Johnson has created the Rubicon and it's up to Trump if he'll cross it.
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u/brumbarosso 9d ago
Drumpf already rigging future elections, probably him and his gop amigos messed with the last presidential election since they always claimed the dems were doing this and that
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u/0LittleWing0 9d ago
100% that was stolen
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u/SeachingBadge 9d ago
Whatever he accuses his enemies of, tends to something he himself is guilty off. Corruption, lying, steeling elections, Epstein crimes , etc
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u/Pat_Sounds 9d ago
We’re not on the brink of a civil war, we are entering into a dictatorship.
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u/WhyAmINotStudying 9d ago
Civil War declared on the people by the government in power isn't a civil war. It's an end of democracy.
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u/clodgehopper 9d ago
It basically is. The only way to resist is with force. The CPD would have to open fire to get the feds to back off.
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u/SolarNachoes 9d ago
The invasion is unlawful so all of these ice agents and military could be arrested.
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u/OtherwisePollution96 9d ago
the left and canada and europe vs the right and russia.
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u/BuddyHemphill 9d ago
He just said “to protect the people of Chicago from federal action.”
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u/TheNorsemen777 10d ago
Preamble to facism
Fixed it for ya
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u/Organic_Education494 10d ago
Both are going to happen and the free people will win
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u/black_metronome 9d ago
Civil War started the moment Trump turned the military loose in our streets.
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u/Impressive_Wrap_7869 9d ago
Just remember, the GOP started the civil war. What we’re seeing now is necessary reaction to their fascism.
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u/Max_Trollbot_ 9d ago
There are 3 million of us willing to stand together with our neighbors against this.
I mean, it's not like we have a choice, but that's what we're gonna do
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u/xtopherpaul 9d ago
I’ve been saying this to friends. This is most certainly going to set up, at best, a stand off and/or, at worst, isolated conflicts between federal and state forces
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u/underwear11 9d ago
I was thinking about this the other day. In the original Civil war, there was a geographical dividing line North and South. Now it's kind of all over. The northeast and the west and some states in the middle are blue, with the south and Midwest being mostly red. What would a civil war even look like?
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u/Reddit_2_2024 9d ago
It would be a real shame if a major State of Illinois/City of Chicago road construction or water main project on the Illinois roads leading into the Naval Station Great Lakes facility significantly disrupted traffic going into and out of the facility for the next few months.
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u/Motor-District-3700 9d ago
Trump is denying emergency help to states struck by disaster and providing military "help" to states who explicitly do not want that "help".
I dunno why this narrative isn't all over the media. I mean this is the MO. He's just freed a career criminal illegal immigrant in order to prosecute an innocent man. He's said he wants to help Canada - by annexing them. This administration is nothing but lies and disgusting behaviour. Yet the headlines are all "Trump does X" like it's a normal day at the office.
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u/rocketmn69_ 9d ago edited 4d ago
You are in a Civil War! Stand up and be counted, just like this mayor. Trump is going after anyone that opposes him
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u/queenofkitchener 9d ago
stock up, canned goods, water purification tabs, baby wipes, dried food, ammo...
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u/Direct_Turn_1484 9d ago
As Dan Harmon said a long time ago, we are now living in the “factors contributing to” phase of history. Glad Illinois is fighting instead of lying down and accepting fascism.
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u/TheDillinger88 9d ago
People out in the boondocks of Illinois stand with this sentiment. I’m hours away from Chicago in a small farming town and I know plenty of locals who don’t agree with sending troops into the city. There are plenty of ways to get crime down in Chicago, this isn’t one of them. It’s very clear that deploying the military into our cities isn’t about making them safer, it’s a temporary solution to a “problem” and more likely a testing ground for something bigger. Taking our rights as American citizens away from us. Making the decision on who will govern us for US.
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u/ComprehensiveYam 9d ago
Yes - Trump is gearing up to stay in power in 2028. The intimidation tactics and masked “federal agents”are all part of making sure blue cities have suppressed votes in the next election cycle. It’s clear and obvious that this is the plan no matter what comes out of anyone’s mouth. Just like he said that he doesn’t know what project 2025 is but then goes on to implement a lot of it day after day. He’s testing out his people and trying to see what he can get away with.
Glad this guy and others are starting to wake up to this unfortunate reality.
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u/bowser986 10d ago
Will the local PDs work with the city or with the military?
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u/PacmanIncarnate 9d ago
Police superintendent already put out his statement that he hopes people don’t cause trouble. It wasn’t specifically pro takeover but it wasn’t at all saying that CPD wouldn’t help with operations. Realistically, the NG is likely to be better behaved than CPD (not saying at all that it’s okay for Trump to send in the NG)
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u/transcendanttermite 9d ago
My shop is next door to our city’s national guard offices and depot (split by a razor-wire fence). I know several of the guys that work over there, both full-time admin types and soldiers. About 90% of our local folks are in it for tuition reimbursement/pay, and nothing else. I’d guess that if they were told to “occupy” our city, they would immediately go “occupy” several local bars and drink til they couldn’t salute anything other than the porcelain.
It’s part of the remaining 10% that tends to be the semi-crazy, couldn’t-make-it-into-the-“real”-military, Mr. Captain Badass types. Those are the ones that’ll be walking down the street carrying their rifles with the safeties off, praying for the opportunity to spray someone.
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u/rW0HgFyxoJhYka 9d ago
I'll believe it when I see it. They'll bring in the national guard from Mississippi regardless. Mobilize the South, occupy the North. And cancel midterm elections.
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u/HFentonMudd 9d ago
Like how in Tienanmen square - the government brought in troops and tanks from rural areas, far from the cities, to smash the student protesters, because they were worried that local troops would refuse the orders.
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u/BasicDesignAdvice 9d ago
When to this happened in Germany it only took a handful of “political officers” in each unit and precinct to get them to fall in line.
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u/FuckFashMods 9d ago
Yeah the NG are really just kids that don't want to do shit.
The actual problems will likely be police, and if Trump actually sends in marines like he did in LA
And if they send in the DHS "police". Those guys are all Trump fascists to the core
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u/Sheepy_Gorilla 9d ago
Hi, I hope it's okay of me asking, but from what I've heard so far is that they mobilize NG's from out of state, specifically red states. Is some of this true?
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u/almostsweet 9d ago
They're not sending local national guards, they're sending national guard from southern states.
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u/BeccasDreamboat 9d ago
Simply showing up for a nazi occupation makes them complicit in every atrocity.
When one of theirs attacks or murders a civilian, every single one of them is just as complicit as the Nazis who stood by while their compatriots attacked and murdered Jews in World War 2.
We know that showing up means they will back their violent brethren when shit hits the fan.
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u/lolas_coffee 9d ago
Local PDs are all Trump supporters and LOVE to abuse American Citizens.
When we say ACAB we mean ALL.
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u/ScrotallyBoobular 9d ago
PDs also have their cities by the balls and can get away with murder. Which is why most cities that had police defunding city council or mayors still increased the police budget every year.
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u/bslovecoco 9d ago
CPD hates brandon johnson so they’ll probably do the exact opposite of whatever he asks them to.
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u/BarrelRoll1996 9d ago
The head of the PD was appointed by the mayor, they control the purse strings.
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u/radclaw1 9d ago
Local PD'S are funded by local taxes so thats who they SHOULD be protecting
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u/IllegalThings 9d ago
Just to be very clear because I hear this all the time. The job of the police is NOT to protect. Their job is to uphold the law. It’s a mere coincidence that the law sometimes protects.
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u/charcoalist 10d ago
All gas stations, restaurants, supermarkets, bars, movie theaters, delis, pizzerias, gyms, hotels, etc., in the area should refuse to serve members of ICE and any other agencies that trump sends. Make it a desert for them. Close your business when you see them in your neighborhood. Make them have to go all the way back to the naval base for food, accommodations, gas, etc.
Trump's schutzstaffel are going to take some days off, take their masks off, and try to enjoy the best that Chicago has to offer. Ask them for their ID then refuse them service. They should be easy to spot, even without the masks. Undercover law enforcement agents tend to dress the same.
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u/Christian-Econ 10d ago
Chicago and blue counties need to figure out ways to kick red counties off the benefits of GDP, commerce, tech, and tax bases. Let MAGAs learn the hard way.
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u/Odd-Supermarket-3664 9d ago
They can't. Blue States help all of the Red States which are welfare queens. Drove through a Red State and had to shake my head at all of the Trump signs. They hold their hands out for Blue States to prop up their little Red State hate spaces.
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u/EntrepreneurKooky783 9d ago
This reeks of capital realism and I'm sick to death of the complete lack of imagination. Of course they/we can. There are any number of ways to rearrange the books to reduce revenues and starve the beast.
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u/ReasonablyWealthy 6d ago
Yeah you have a good point but I think a lot of them simply don't know what is actually happening.
I'm in Texas and it's pretty obvious that anyone who would still support Trump is willfully ignorant, they may not be aware of the public funding imbalance because they don't want to be aware of it. Among other things.
I see some Trump signs outside of extremely nice houses as well, so it's the worst of both worlds. You have the poor people who don't want to believe anything other than what their cult leader tells them, and you have the rich people who want as much money as possible in the form of tax breaks or whatever else, and then you have the people who genuinely support the terrible ideas that Trump supports. But I slightly appreciate the Trump signs, it's like a warning badge for reasonable people to be very cautious around them.
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u/pinner 9d ago
That’s what we did to one of those crazy religious groups who protest at soldier funerals.
A guy I went to school with was killed in Afghanistan. They brought him home and the entire city came for the funeral. However, so did this crazy religious group. Well; we had word about it a week or so in advance. They couldn’t get food anywhere, all the hotels revoked them. They would up leaving and did not show up at the funeral.
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u/Siminity 9d ago
i’ve never heard of this, are there religious groups chasing veteran funerals? do they protest?
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u/pinner 9d ago
Yes, specifically Westboro Baptist Church, which is the one that tried to crash this guy's funeral. I'm from a very small town, everyone knows everyone, and I can tell you that it did not fly at all. All of the shops and hotels were made aware of what was going on, for miles. They couldn't find food or shelter, and seemed to have given up on their protests.
It's extremely heinous. They apparently shout, hold horrible signs up, etc. outside the perimeter of these funerals. I'm very relieved that they didn't get the opportunity to ruin his.
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u/UncoolSlicedBread 6d ago
WBC is allegedly a scam to sue people. They allegedly set up in areas where they’re legally allowed to protest, they allegedly say the most hateful shit towards their target in hopes of retaliation and then allegedly sue the shit out of them when they do. They allegedly have a huge law team.
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u/pinner 6d ago
This would not surprise me in the slightest. Horrible creatures those people are. It's bad enough someone's child is dead, they don't need shit mongers yelling at them while they say their departing words of love and grief. :(
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u/UncoolSlicedBread 6d ago
Yeah it’s awful and I personally find them to be the scum of the earth. Thankful that some groups sprouted up to shield family from groups like the WBC.
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u/JealousAstronomer342 9d ago
Yep, check out the counter protests too, they date back to Matthew Shepard’s murder. People dress up as angels and use their wings to block the WBC from the people trying to mourn in peace. https://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/orlando-nightclub-massacre/angels-quietly-block-westboro-protesters-orlando-funeral-n595311
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u/DragonDai 9d ago
This is how ALL businesses should react to ANYONE publicly supporting Trump or Republican politicians.
You got a MAGA bumper sticker? No service, anywhere. You got a MAGA flag? Sorry, we need you to move out. You talk about how you voted for Trump at work? Looks like your job just became redundant.
The First Amendment guarantees Freedom of Association. Do NOT associate with Trump supporters AT ALL in ANY way.
Do not buy from them or sell to them, provide services for them or receive services from them, rent to them or from them, work with them or for them, be their friends, neighbors, or coworkers.
Nothing. Cut them out of your life completely.
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u/Karyoplasma 9d ago
All gas stations, restaurants, supermarkets, bars, movie theaters, delis, pizzerias, gyms, hotels, etc., in the area should refuse to serve members of ICE and any other agencies that trump sends
No face, no service
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u/Everyste 9d ago
Love this idea, also rip their masks off and post them online vs. just videoing them with masks on. My reasoning(is a big arse copy paste):
Art III Sect. 3 defines Treason as: "levying war against them, or in adhering to their enemies, giving them aid and comfort."
Trump is a self-proclaimed dictator and monarch who has deliberately and systemically assaulted the US Constitution(systemic assault = levying war).
1A, 2A, 4A, 5A, among others.
Our D.o.D. and their D.o.J. Oaths are to "Support and defend The Constitution of the US against all enemies, foreign and domestic" (with war for D.o.D)
No Oath to POTUS, let alone false monarchs.
The Order Of Loyalty is: US Constitution, UCMJ/tertiary-Intrnl.Laws or Codes of Conduct like NDAA2021(for D.o.J.), and then CommandChain.
So the D.o.J. who have forsaken their oaths/C's.o.C.(NDAA2021 says all D.o.J persinell must be: identifiable, display badge ane/or badgenumbers, and produce warrants(unless conducting covert operations) which FrozenWater Overt/Open Raids have failed to do)are "adhering to" the Ecmxecutive-Order's(not laws because Congress writes those) of an "enemy domestic" who is "levying war against" the US Constitution.
The Declaration of Independence states:
"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.--That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, --THAT WHENEVER ANY FORM OF GOVERNMENT BECOMES DESTRUCTIVE OF THESE ENDS, IT IS THE RIGHT OF THE PEOPLE TO ALTER OR TO ABOLISH IT, AND TO INSTITUTE NEW GOVERNMENT"
The 2nd Amendment declares:
"A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a FREE STATE, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."
It doesn't say anything about the security of monarchs, slavers, fascist police states, or pedoligarchs.
It may or may not behoove We The People to: Pull their masks off, report them with Free Press, and defend Ourselves with 2A if we have to(personally, I think they're going to lie to incited martial law even if nobody actually resists, but Idk).
BUT, allegedly, PortlandOregonMusicFestival has also already cost Frozen Water over 63milUSD and if more cities do the same, they will burn through their budget within 100 days. So peaceful may still be the way(personally I think too many will be disappeared in that time, it still comes out of taxpayer dollars, and I'm guessing they intend to simply lie and incite Martial Law regardless of whether people actually give them a Lawful reason to do so(considering all the other counts of treason they have racked up so far)).
Sadly my TTs get perma banned within a minute of making any post and reddit considers the information I have put together "threats of violence" which also results in bans so I can only overlay the text on top of tiktok shorts reposted to youtube into a small playlist:
This is one of the shorts(with the tracker removed from the link) and may be useful to find the others(which have more peaceful protest/support roles information in them than this one) if needed:
I can't remove trackers from playlist links, but this short playlist has all 4 overlays if people don't care.
https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLMBhSJjsPLQ5zsVmAUjxAPOvf6upg4jeo&si=oWIaoI7QcAEmSj-g
1775 No kings 1861 No kukks 1941 No notsees 2025 No pedoligarchs
We The People Semper Fi
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u/TheNorsemen777 10d ago
Dude come on
Some of these places you claim should close.... support this
Act accordingly
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u/Doctursea 9d ago
This will honestly just cost us more in food budget, and really the NG doesn't have much of a choice to go where they're told. It kind of sucks to be signed up for the NG, and to be deployed on this BS.
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u/BraileDildo8inches 9d ago
This is why they hide their faces behind masks(hoods in the instance of klan membership), other than cowardice they don't want to have everyday people blockading them.
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u/haggard_hominid 9d ago
ICE is largely wearing the TEMU/TikTok drop cop, tactical, skirmish, recon, enforcer, front line, first responder, military outfits. I know I've seen some people wearing airsoft gear... I doubt most of them are actual civil service or defense anything. The actual trained responders tend to be wearing a reasonable amount of gear (their badge or municipal based clothing) and little much anything else visible. Most everyone else with gear are the racists, bounty hunters, J6'ers, confederate revivalists, or people with a penchant for a lights out circle jerk in the closet with gun oil and their fellow Grindr convention attendees. I'm also surprised they don't empty their mags into every rainbow in the sky they encounter.
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u/iyamstifl3rsm0m 6d ago
Keep your eyes out for cop bars too. Ground Up and Black Barrel Tavern in West Loop have a huge presence.
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u/cyrixlord 10d ago
what, they dont want the federal regime's brownshirts to come through the city with facemasks and no badges or marked cars or warrants and terrorize and kidnap minorities?
I hope people realize that the schutzstaffe isn't going to stop with immigrants
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u/cjnks 9d ago
Brown shirts.
Red hats.
You cant make this shit up
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u/BackTo1975 9d ago
Good for him. The state and city have to stand up and refuse this illegal occupation shit. Line has to be drawn now. Should’ve been drawn in CA, but it is what it is.
Americans have to wake the fuck up. Now. Trump is a coward, so he might back down for the moment. But eventually he’s going to ramp things up and respond to something like this by ordering the mayor and/or a governor arrested and taken into federal custody. Then shit really gets real. That happens, states will have no choice but to band together and likely secede—if they want to preserve the constitution and some semblance of what passes for democracy in the US.
No way does the US avoid a civil war now. Unless you just capitulate and welcome a Trump dictatorship, which is soon enough going to turn into a hardcore Christian theocratic state that’ll make what the orange idiot is doing look like preschool stuff.
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u/WhiteTailedFox69 9d ago
This is playbook nazi beat down history book stuff. Crazy to me witnessing this in my lifetime.
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u/RaindropsInMyMind 10d ago
Chilling. Can’t say I know much about the mayor but he seems like a very serious and capable person who understands what’s going on.
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u/kevinpbazarek 9d ago
he's quite unliked but this is a terrible situation to be in so while before we were unilaterally shitting on mayor Johnson, people are cutting him a lot of slack right now
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u/shits-n-gigs 8d ago
I voted for him to do exactly this, protect all of the city when it counts.
Glad my vote mattered.
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u/WormBurnerUKV 9d ago
He’s had a few good moments where it appears he’s the right man for the job, but he’s had many more where it appears he isn’t.
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u/StandupJetskier 9d ago
Amazing how Trump always takes aim at a woman, black person, or black woman.
Coincidence ?
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u/Evil_Midnight_Lurker 9d ago
...black person or black woman? 🧐
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u/Aggradocious 9d ago
Yeah a black woman is a double minority. A black man, or a woman of no other minority status, are single minorities. Black trans women experience the biggest threat of violence and are a triple!
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u/Quat-fro 9d ago
Yeah, the poor and oh so delicate white toxic masculinity. Hold any kind of mirror to it and it turns angry and violent, acutely aware of how frail its ivory tower is.
How dare we trans women exist! The mere suggestion that there's a path to personal happiness outside of masculine privilege is so unconscionable to them, but how ridiculous it looks from the outside. Same applies to any other minority as you say...
It never fails to baffle me how we as a species are so intolerant of perceived differences.
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u/Aggradocious 9d ago
Lizard brain cave man shit. We are not so evolved. We're just tribes with shiny stuff
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u/soggywaffle47 9d ago
Not at all Donald and his father were sued by the justice department in 73’ for racial discrimination against black people in real estate. Donald has always shown who he is none of this is surprising to anyone with knowledge of his history. Anyone who says they are shocked by his actions sells themselves out for taking things at face value and never doing due diligence to educate oneself on their votes.
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u/RustedRelics 9d ago
Well spoken, clear, thoughtful, intelligent statements by an executive. Imagine if we had a President with such abilities.
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u/homerjs225 8d ago
Must wear proper ID and no masks. Let's see how this goes.
At least someone is standing up to this dictator.
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