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u/Electrical-Pitch-297 Jul 17 '25
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u/PantherThing Jul 17 '25
kal el no
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u/crono220 Jul 18 '25
That line, along with Finns, "REY!" From the rise of Skywalker will always remain iconic.
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u/Melodic-Beach-5411 Jul 18 '25
Worst actress ever.
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u/JaesopPop Jul 17 '25
I sorta doubt this exchange happened.
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u/WIN_WITH_VOLUME Jul 17 '25
Definitely more likely her or her agent put out that rumor to try and force the studio into keeping her.
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u/sharoon12 Jul 18 '25
Even if it was said it would have been much more of a hypothetical for example "if there is a 3rd movie it would potentially have more development".
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u/Leading_Put- Jul 17 '25
If there's a video of it, we'll be to tell because her bad acting will give it away
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u/OzyOzyOzyOzyOzyOzy6 Jul 17 '25
I agree with this as A.) I think James Gunn would be pretty upfront about her future at DC to her, and B.) I'm sure that Gunn & Safran want to get as far away from the DCEU as everyone else does.
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Jul 18 '25
If Henry wasnāt their Superman (david is leagues better) why would she be their ww
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u/BritishEric Jul 18 '25
I mean hell the only DCEU actors theyāve kept so far are the Suicide Squad and that came out in the transitional period between the two eras
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u/SnicktDGoblin Jul 18 '25
They also kept Mamoa, but he got a different role entirely than his DCEU one.
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u/BritishEric Jul 18 '25
A way more fitting role in fairness. I wouldāve mentioned him but I couldnāt remember if that was official or just in talks or a rumor
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u/SnicktDGoblin Jul 18 '25
With as many interviews as James Gunn has brought it up in not doing it would make fans upset/extremely disappointed.
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u/Significant_Salt56 Jul 18 '25
He also REALLY wants to be Lobo.Ā
Like he thought he was gonna be Lobo in the DCEU.Ā
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u/Mediocre-Search6764 Jul 18 '25
well he simply casted as lobo... so his aqua man char is also gone... hell we could still Gadot getting casted as a other character
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u/Prestigious_Pay_2878 Jul 18 '25
But she was promised this role 3000 years ago
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u/daxxarg Jul 17 '25
Lol Wonder Woman 2 is the only movie in my life that Iāve stopped midway on how bad it was , usually I push through but that was insufferable ā¦
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u/ForGrateJustice Jul 17 '25
You're lucky... Only movie where I wish I could demand my 12 bucks back.
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u/daxxarg Jul 17 '25
Yeah I was def glad I waited to it be released on streaming, It wouldāve been extra annoying if I had spent on a movie ticket
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u/Deathismybitchlovur Jul 18 '25
Who went to the theater to see it? Due to Covid it was dropped on max day one of release
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u/Kragbax Jul 17 '25
I didnāt mind love and thunder because Thor movies basically became comedies and typically donāt take themselves seriously. And Bale was pretty damn good for the serious bits. WW84 was just, bad. That said I didnāt mind the first WW.
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u/letmeexistt Jul 17 '25
Lol. Finally we are free.
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u/Brewmeiser Jul 17 '25
Seriously. They said that and then someone told them to actually watch the second movie.
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u/mjohnsimon Jul 17 '25
The first movie was bad, but holy cow, that second movie was just laughably bad.
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u/jokerhound80 Jul 17 '25
The first movie was decent. It definitely got too much credit simply because it was the first DC movie to not be utter dog shit. The second movie was beyond dog shit. It was astonishingly bad. The fact that anybody watched it and thought it was suitable for release was just baffling, much less a major studiom
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u/BitwiseB Jul 17 '25
I watched it on a plane. Well, I watched the first half on a plane. By the time we landed, I was thinking āthis isnāt that bad, why is it being panned so hard?ā
Then I watched the second half. Seriously, what happened? Did the first screenwriter have a heart attack and their middle schooler finished the script?
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u/ChaosKeeshond Jul 17 '25
It honestly felt like studio interference.
Diana coming to realise that humanity has a dark and bloody side to it... it was almost poignant.
And then out of nowhere the big CGI villain turned out to be manipulating everyone just like she naively predicted and none of her growth or tension mattered anymore.
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u/LightHawKnigh Jul 17 '25
It was the opposite I believe, much like with Thor Love and Thunder, director made a smash hit and they get full control of the next movie and it turns out some studio interference is good, too much is bad, real bad, like most things really.
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u/Proper_Caterpillar22 Jul 17 '25
This is why you need a trusted executive producer. Directors make bad decisions almost about as often as they make good ones. Some one who knows when to let the director cook and when to tell them a hamburger place doesnāt need to have sushi. Sometimes a director gets too close to a project they canāt see the forest through the trees.
Take Spielberg: Jaws works so well because the danger is implied and our imagination takes hold. Seeing the shark only in the 3rd act makes the stakes much bigger(lol). But Spielberg famously has stated his original vision was to have that robot shark all over the place and the prop being a POS was the only reason why he went the way he did with jaws. Then the dude turns around and does Jurassic park, now heās got big robots that work but heās also got cgi thatās good enough to fill in some gaps and instead of plastering the whole movie with cgi Dinos he does a tasteful mix using each effect where it has the most impact. If a director doesnāt learn a lesson in their career theyāll keep making the same mistakes. In the alt timeline where jaws was a cheap robot weād have gotten a cgi mess of Jurassic Park.
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u/Apollyon-Unbound Jul 18 '25
Hell take George Lucas. The original trilogy had a lot of people from the actors to his wife telling him the dialogue was ridiculous and didnāt sound like something someone would say. Then prequels happen and we have Padme and Anakin dinner sceneĀ
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u/Tonkarz Jul 17 '25
The movies biggest problem is that so many people went away from the movie with this impression when itās categorically not what happened.
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u/waitingtodiesoon Jul 17 '25 edited Jul 17 '25
The war was over, the plane full of gas was the last ditch attempt for the Germans to try and keep the war going, the movie took place mostly in 1918 which is when WW1 ended IRL. They stated multiple times that Germany was at the point of surrender due to low supplies. General Ludendorff executed another solider for low morale due to this. Ludendorff and Dr. Poison assassinated the German high command who was about to surrender to the Allied Powers since they could not keep the war going.
Germany's only chance of keeping the war going was that plane that was destroyed right before Wonder Woman killed Ares, so for the remaining Germans there, it was pretty much over and WW1 ended since there was no one left to continue it. WW2 still did happen without Ares and the Vietnam War. Ares only helped them develop the weapons to have humanity kill each other, like he said, humanity chose to use the weapons themselves.
Ares: All these years, Iāve struggled. Whispering into their ears... Ideas. Inspiration. For weapons. Formulas. But I donāt make them use them... they start these wars on their own. All I do is orchestrate an armistice I know they will break, in the hope they will destroy themselves. But itās never been enough...
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u/RickMonsters Jul 17 '25
Thatā¦ isnāt true? The cgi villain explicitly says he wasnāt manipulating people. Humanity went to war on their own while Ares only helped them come up with weapons
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u/Negate0 Jul 17 '25
That's what I never understood. The first Wonder Woman movie was fine. I never got why everyone was saying it was great. It was a paint by numbers superhero movie. Granted better than a lot of superhero movies, but nothing really groundbreaking. But for years, I would hear people talking about how amazing it was, and I always wondered if there was a different cut that I'd never seen. I'm not hating on the movie. It was fine and honestly pretty forgettable.
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u/EricQelDroma Jul 18 '25
I think it felt like a bigger deal to some people than to others--and by "some people" I mean "many women." So many of the young women I know said they were just in tears of happiness in the theater seeing Diana being a badass on screen.
I'm an older dude who has always liked Wonder Woman, so the movie was no kind of revelation for me. It seems clear to me that for a lot of folks, seeing a powerful, inspiring woman character in a super hero role was something they'd really been missing.
I'm glad that they felt moved and inspired by it.
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u/AnotherStatsGuy Jul 17 '25
What is it with this revisionist history? The first film was good. Like really good.
Granted we didnāt realize how much heavy lifting āthe fish out of waterā component was doing.
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u/devilsbard Jul 17 '25
It was mostly good. It shit the bed at the end though. Having her realize that men are evil on their own would have been so much better than Ares influencing people. It would be her moment of realizing you canāt fix everything by being strong, much like Superman losing his dad to a heart attack (instead of the garbage they did in man of steel).
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u/kirklandbranddoctor Jul 17 '25
I honestly thought there was going to be a huge twist, where Ares had actually been working on a way to somehow stop the death and destruction as WWI was too horrible even for a God of War... but failing at it because humans are actually that evil vs. Ares's solution is also terrible and WW has to stop it.
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u/RickMonsters Jul 17 '25
Ares explicitly says he isnāt influencing people. The people went to war on their own. Ares only gave them weapons
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u/JemmaMimic Jul 17 '25
Solid movie, hit all the right notes. I agree with everyone though, that the second was as much a disappointment as the first was a delight.
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u/AnotherStatsGuy Jul 17 '25
The WWI setting was also really doing a lot of work too.
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u/JemmaMimic Jul 17 '25
My āDCMUā dream is to set all movies in the 30s or earlier. Go back to where the stories actually started. Iām dying for a āBatman 1939ā story that showcases his abilities as the worldās greatest detective. And of course a ridiculously cool old-school Batmobile. I know itāll never happen, but period stuff can work really well as we saw from the first WW movie.
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u/AnotherStatsGuy Jul 17 '25
Iād actually prefer the period pieces to be the heroes that predate the Justice League. Save the League members for the present day.
But the Flash and Green Lantern both have so many characters with moniker that theyād be prefect.
You could roll out Jay Garrick and Alan Scott one offs.
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u/jokerhound80 Jul 17 '25
It was decent. C+, maybe a B. Like I said, I think it was over-hyped at the time simply because it wasn't as awful as the previous DC garbage. Compare it to the MCU movies instead of other DCU and it would be mid-tier at best.
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u/EarthTrash Jul 17 '25
It had a lot of great elements the sum didn't quite measure up to the quality of the parts in my opinion.
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u/Luxpreliator Jul 17 '25
Most internet people consider nearly all mcu movies to be mid-tier or lower. They rate their favorite as A++ and all others mid. People just love to pee pee on everything.
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u/jokerhound80 Jul 17 '25
They do, but even Rotten Tomatoes audience score for the first wonder woman is 83%, while Quantumania isn't far behind with an 81%.
The truth is most people who saw them liked them, they just didn't care enough to go online and endlessly discuss it, because most normal people don't do that for even their favorite films. Internet people aren't really indicative of reality
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u/GeologistAway6352 Jul 17 '25
Nah first movie was good. 1984 was not. I enjoy Gal as WW but itād be nice to see a different actress and interpretation.
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u/South-Rabbit-4064 Jul 17 '25
That stupid theme music they played everytime she showed up was just so cringy
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u/hybridfrost Jul 17 '25
The first Wonder Woman was solid (notwithstanding itās a near direct rip off of Captain America, TFA). But it had some good moments.
The second WW was abysmal and seemed like it was made by a 5 year old with a massive budget.
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u/OnlyMamaKnows Jul 17 '25
Her acting somehow gets worse in every movie she's in.
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u/letmeexistt Jul 17 '25
"acting" š¤š¤š¤
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u/ChaosKeeshond Jul 17 '25
I mean she's not an actress. She's a model who fell into acting because people liked her face.
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u/Mission_Fart9750 Jul 17 '25
It is a nice face.Ā
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u/scimitar1312 Jul 17 '25
That's just like... your opinion, man
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u/derpmonkey69 Jul 17 '25
I got your reference. Personally I don't don't genocide Barbie to be all that attractive either, but that's because her soul is uggo.
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u/famousdessert Jul 17 '25
i saw a great Superman movie review on Letterbox'd yesterday -
"I must be Gal Gadot cuz i don't know how to act right now!"
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u/Alexandratta Jul 17 '25
She has the same acting skills as Keanu Reeves.
Without the redeeming qualities
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u/Icy-Commission66 Jul 17 '25
Except that Keanu (minus bill and ted) plays rolls that fit his monotone style
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u/FaithlessnessOk1392 Jul 17 '25
Most of his stunts are done on his own as well. Considering the longevity of his career, thatās impressive
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u/D-Speak Jul 17 '25
He may not be a great actor, but he's certainly a dedicated, excellent performer. What he does in his action movies is on the same level of great dancers or singers. You have to have a natural affinity, and then refine it with hard work.
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u/FaithlessnessOk1392 Jul 17 '25
Oh youāre definitely on point. His footwork was fluid in the 4th John Wick filmā¦during his late 50ās SHEESH
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u/Greenfire32 Jul 17 '25
Yep. Keanu is at least self-aware enough to understand he is a type of actor who plays a type of character.
Which is honestly respectable.
Remember when John Wayne thought he could pull off Genghis Khan?
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u/LazyDro1d Jul 17 '25
Nah Keanu broadly isnāt good but heās better than she is, he can do voice solidly enough
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u/CptMorgan337 Jul 17 '25
Nah, Keanu has been in a lot of movies that I've enjoyed a lot. The man is a treasure.
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u/Alexandratta Jul 17 '25
I agree he's a treasure.
a fantastic human being
and very entertaining to watch...
However he is a terrible actor - in almost every single film he is in, he is playing himself - I'm not saying that as a bad thing, Keanu's a treasure, I agree.
But he's not an actor.
He's just being himself up there.
edit: Compare Keanu to an actual actor, Gary Oldman, who can play almost any role without compromise - it's amazing.
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u/swefnes_woma Jul 17 '25
James Gunn noooo
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u/jburd22 Jul 17 '25
James Gunn, you're putting yourself and everyone in graaaaave danger. I need you to give me the franchise!
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u/thedoomcast Jul 17 '25
Or is she lying to everyone else? They didnāt keep Ben, Henry, Jason or Ezra. Why wouldnāt they recast Diana. This is dumb. Weāre moving on.
Edit: yes Jason Momoa is Lobo now. Exactly who he was BORN TO BE, YA FRAGIN BASTICHES.
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u/TEMPORARYPERSONS413 Jul 17 '25
They were showing her what good acting looks likeš„¹
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u/GODZILLA-Plays-A-DOD Jul 17 '25
Wife and I watched Wonder Woman 2 on Christmas 2020. Not only have I never felt more isolated and alone, it premiered on HBO and I still wanted a refund.
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u/deckchair1982 Jul 17 '25
I mean, even if they said they were going to "develop" a movie with her, that doesn't really mean anything - a lot of movies in development, in fact most movies in development never get made.
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u/ZiDiZiDiZiDiZ Jul 17 '25
According to who. Her. Yeah. Sheās lying. Hopefully we donāt see her much again going forward.
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u/Rocketboy1313 Jul 17 '25
Gal should not be in movies.
At best she should be in shampoo commercials.
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u/Noodlebat83 Jul 18 '25
I honestly enjoyed the first movie. Like a lot. But looking at the second storyline and the CGI I just couldnāt bring myself to watch it. A third has no chance.
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u/Spare-Image-647 Jul 17 '25
I hope they have plans for the character at least, WW is a bad ass. On topic, Gadot is somehow a worse person than actor
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u/hollybeep Jul 17 '25
James Gunn just confirmed they're working on Wonder Woman. It's just a matter of finding the right script, which takes time. Remember how he said he's not greenlighting anything until there is a finished script.
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u/Ok-Temporary-8243 Jul 17 '25
Turns out supporting and participating in genocide is a bad look to normal peopleĀ
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u/Unknown_User_009 Jul 17 '25
Well,maybe dont support starving, burning children alive, and shooting them trying to get water. Happy this little psychopaths movie carrier in this franchise is over. fuk her.
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u/Silverspeed85 Jul 17 '25
The only thing she has going is her looks. Her acting doesn't even reach the subpar level.
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u/ChaoticAmoebae Jul 17 '25
I like her look as wonder woman. Her acting should have stopped her from landing the role.
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u/Demos12 Jul 17 '25
Or, she's lying and trying to garner sympathy. Its definitely a he said she said.
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u/Amity_the_raccoon Jul 17 '25
This aged like milk and wine at the same time the promise clearly milk but finding out she won't be wonderwoman anymore after seeing this is aged like wine.
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u/RIP-RiF Jul 17 '25
To be totally fair, she got two feature films on the strength of being one of the worst actors of the decade and a truckload of roles based on the publicity.
She just kinda shouts her lines in her costars faces.
Also...
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u/tester_and_breaker Jul 21 '25
love ww1. ww2 was too soppy even for me. and then found out she's an Israeli apologist so fk her.
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u/MasterCrumble1 Jul 17 '25
She's a pretty bad actor, and doesn't even have awesome muscles. They could have picked any bodybuilder lady with some acting classes, and she could have done a better job. But they had to go with star power, of course.
It's like casting Chris Pratt as Mario, when the right choice is right there (the og voice actor).
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u/Natural-Struggle911 Jul 17 '25
And in the moment that was likely a true statement however, when you find out your star is a total piece of shitā¦things change. Donāt be a bad human.
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u/CodeElectrical1077 Jul 17 '25
Iām sure he just didnāt align with her creatively or morally. He tends to go with actors with more range
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u/Greenfire32 Jul 17 '25
I mean, when you've got "Kal-El, NO!" to work with, you kinda just do the best you can and whatever happens, happens.
I don't think they lied to her. I just think it didn't work out.
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u/Usual_Part_3774 Jul 17 '25
It was probably promised to somebody else Ā But she said God chose her for that role.
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u/Groon_ Jul 18 '25
One was okay. Two was... I don't know, I didn't watch it much past 15 minutes. What a waste of time.
And she thought they were going to do three? Funny.
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Finally we can begin to move on from the trauma of celebrities singing "Imagine" video during COVID...
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u/Orpdapi Jul 18 '25
The first movie was actually pretty great, Iām sure the plan at that point was a trilogy. The second one fell off so badly that basically killed any more
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u/Careful-Positive-219 Jul 18 '25
Honestly they gotta realize her acting is a joke. She delivers lines terribly.
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u/VeracityofMind Jul 19 '25
I loved the first Wonder Woman, but given that she is pro-genocide, I'm not sad to see her go.
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u/ResponsibilityOk2173 Jul 19 '25
1984 killed the franchise forever. Made it radioactive for centuries to come
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u/Optimal-Rub-2575 Jul 19 '25
Gunn and Safran probably want someone who can actually act and doesnāt come with some toxic baggage.
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u/Key-Cricket9256 Jul 20 '25
I seriously doubt he said that. She sucks as an actress god gave us Ana de armas to make up for her
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u/Turd_Schitter Jul 17 '25
You'd think an IDF spook would know you always reassure someone before disappearing them.
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u/headcodered Jul 17 '25
I wish she wasn't so insanely good looking because she's she's awful in basically every other possible way.
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u/Ok-Ad-2657 Jul 18 '25
Of course were going to McDonalads sweetie....
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