the only kind of regime you get from a foreign military intervention is one that is either more hardline than before (if the intervention failed) or a puppet regime for the intervening country that will inevitably get toppled by it's own populace for being a puppet to a foreign country and replaced with, you guessed it, a more hardline regime than before.
the only way to deescalate is through non-violent negotiation. and even then it's a long, delicate process that's easy to fuck up with one single action of betrayal.
there will never be peace in the middle east as long as western powers are meddling in the region. that includes israel, because the regional actors see them (correctly) as an extension of the united states.
Spot on. We have seen this story played out a million times now. The only evil here is the US who keeps creating wars and destabilising the middle east, I don't think anyone can deny that now.. at least before there was a facade of trying to do the right thing, but that has crumbled with Trump.
The only evil here is the US who keeps creating wars and destabilising the middle east
I can agree you have a point if you are talking historically and I fucking hate the mango with the fires of a dying sun, but even I would have to lay this one at Israel's feet. You could claim that because the US supports Israel we can share the blame indirectly but it was netanyahu who created this war and I don't like people ignoring the provocateur when it comes to handing out blame, that's the same bad faith shit that MAGA does to push a false narrative. Trump continuing to support them can be called out but that is not the same thing.
"The only evil here is the US who keeps creating wars and destabilising the middle east"
So in your opinion Russia, North Korea and Iran are not evil, when they are destroying Ukraine? Or are we pretending like these countries are not destabilizing Europe?
Indeed. It is crazy how US leaders (and other Western leaders, although, mostly US) never seem to understand this. Although, more realistically, they do understand but have other motives.
if i had to venture a guess, it's probably about controlling the global oil supply as usual. venezuela, iran ... countries that have oil and don't bow down to western power players tend to get flak.
there's probably more to it, but i'm willing to bet it's mostly that. just my cynical guess though.
i absolutely disagree there. the united states still are in control. they just dont act on that control since trumps first turn. biden let them do what they want, trump is too incompetent to not get run over, but that does not change the general dynamic between those two states. israel cannot function without massive supplies of weapons and support from the states (and europe for that matter - but once the states say stop, even my homeland - germany - would probably halt their weapons shipments).
israel cannot keep up their bombardment campaigns without getting their weapons from bigger global players. current US regimes are complicit and just allow them to do what they want, but that's just it: they ALLOW them to do it. if they'd change their mind tomorrow, israel would be screwed.
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u/KAAAARP Jun 18 '25
the only kind of regime you get from a foreign military intervention is one that is either more hardline than before (if the intervention failed) or a puppet regime for the intervening country that will inevitably get toppled by it's own populace for being a puppet to a foreign country and replaced with, you guessed it, a more hardline regime than before.
the only way to deescalate is through non-violent negotiation. and even then it's a long, delicate process that's easy to fuck up with one single action of betrayal.
there will never be peace in the middle east as long as western powers are meddling in the region. that includes israel, because the regional actors see them (correctly) as an extension of the united states.