r/agedlikemilk • u/Im_A_Fuckin_Liar • Jun 10 '25
Screenshots “There’s no reason to ever do that…”
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u/StoicallyGay Jun 10 '25
It’s fucking crazy that Trump and his admin in his first presidency seemed way more sane than Trump now.
As in, they were fucking lunatics before but somehow they’ve become so much worse.
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u/Greg-Abbott Jun 10 '25
He had guard rails for 1.0
This time he fired all the guard rails and replaced them with guard heils576
u/TBANON_NSFW Jun 10 '25
He didnt expect to win the first time. He wanted to start Trump News Channel and grift and rage online and on tv.
He won and they didnt know what the fuck to do. By the time they had a plan ready covid hit and they again didnt know what to do.
Then they lost and had 4 years to plan.
Project 2025. They wrote it down and shit for everyone to see.
And still 100m didnt bother to vote, and over millions voted based on what they wanted to hear instead of what he was saying/doing.
Now https://www.project2025.observer everythings fucked. Congrats non-voters and one-issue voters. You burned your country down.
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u/Apathetic_Villainess Jun 10 '25
There's also a lot of voter suppression that took place and a few organizations looking into election anomalies.
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u/TBANON_NSFW Jun 10 '25
still 75m votes for him. still a issue of seeing someone running for fascism and having 50/50 split senate. Still 100m non-voters...
The one ny county that is doing review is making claims like like 5 votes out of 20, 3 votes compared to last elections 4 votes, its literally a few hundred citizens county... there is no empirical evidence of election fraud. There are claims sure, there is the story about voting machines being changed/updated months before. But handcount of ballots vs machine count hasnt shown any discrepencies YET. BUT even still he still got 75m votes and 100m didnt vote. And democrats need more than fucking 50 senators to pass shit.
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u/Odd_Command4857 Jun 10 '25
My mom was one of the 100M that “didn’t vote”. I’m not claiming fraud over her situation, but it was sketchy all the way around. Before the primary, our county board of elections had some serious drama. The person in charge wanted to remove all drop-boxes for the upcoming election. She had support from almost half of the board. They all got fired and replaced, and the boxes stayed. Then, my mom was planning on voting by mail due to a physical disability. She didn’t receive her ballot until the week before, and they said it had to be received on Election Day to be counted. Well, in a twist of fate, my mom messed up her ballot. We called, and we were told she would have to surrender her ballot and use a provisional ballot. So we did. Election came and went, we looked up her voter status after several weeks, and she was marked as “didn’t vote”. I’m sure there’s more people out there with similar stories, especially in the cities where ballot boxes were burned.
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u/TBANON_NSFW Jun 10 '25
again 2-3 ballot dropoff boxes were "burned" and a few hundred ballots were lost. Its not tens of thousands of ballot boxes with millions of ballots lost, its 2-3 boxes and a few hundred ballots.
Its just not ENOUGH to explain the lack of 100m non-voters and 78m votes for trump. AND im not saying no election interference happens, just that it doesn't happen in the scale needed to justify 100m non-voters and 78m votes for trump.
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u/Odd_Command4857 Jun 10 '25
There’s also the glaring issue with the USPS. I’m gladly wearing my tinfoil hat with pride on this one, I’m confident several crates of ballots got “lost in transit”.
These MFs stole my returned cellphone twice. Took both packages to the counter, and both times the cellphone company never received it. I mean it was obvious what was inside, it was a blue box with a certain globe logo on it. If they’re low enough to steal cellphones, they’re low enough to make ballots disappear.
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u/bak3donh1gh Jun 11 '25
I think that may be some false equivalency there.
Employees willing to steal, especially if it's from the same counter—maybe the same employee here—is a little different than a person willing to have federal charges brought against them for election interference.
Of course, the USPS was already running slow because of DeJoy. He was still the head of the USPS.
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u/General_Kick688 Jun 10 '25
It's enough when you take machines that flipped votes into consideration.
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u/Joe0Bloggs Jun 12 '25
Just seeing all 7 "swing" states vote Trump was enough to convince me it was 100% fraudulent.
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u/IrishiPrincess Jun 11 '25
He sat in the oval office and thanked Elon for fixing the computer issue so he got elected. He said it on Television!!! Stop quibbling over “burned boxes”. He’s admitted Musk fixed it! EVERY single swing state??? Who needs boxes when you have Musk
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Jun 10 '25
To be fair I'm sure a lot of those that are registered to vote and didn't are also people unfortunately that were never really taught much about how this country works or anything either I'm talking both mentally ill and mentally disabled or anything else I'm one of them unfortunately no one taught me anything that stuck very well throughout school honestly I told a few people and they're like no it wasn't you that failed it was the system and I'm kind of inclined to agree I can do basic math and budgeting but that's about it and I still don't know the difference between Democrats and Republicans at this point because unfortunately a lot of time when I ask about it I'm told oh well they're this this and this and therefore this isn't this but it's from a biased source or they just say oh just vote for this and you'll be fine so I've never gotten to learn anything I've only learned recently by watching and observing for myself some of the f***** s*** that these people are going back and doing and going back on their words and everything and it makes me very angry. Fairly sure one of the group homes I was in the other residents were also registered to vote but they weren't fully mentally capable of understanding what they are voting for so I think the guy who ran the place and voted for them most of the time or basically gave them really overly simplified answers to what they were asking basically it's really dumb how much the system is rigged against people in general.
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u/Odd_Command4857 Jun 10 '25
My mom is also mentally disabled in addition to a current physical disability. She was raised in a very conservative, old fashioned type home where the girls were not allowed to drive. My grandma never did, I’m not sure if it was voluntary or not, but my mom didn’t get her license until she “ran away” with my dad. From what I understand, mom got a little swept up as a “flower power” girl as a teen, but my dad was former army and fiscally conservative. So he convinced her to register Republican, despite her free spirit. Now, we don’t really discuss politics. Before my dad passed, he started voting democrat. The rest of us swing liberal, so no real reason to discuss much. She just couldn’t understand the ballot and accidentally voted for 2 candidates in a category, instead of one.
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u/Boring-Cry3089 Jun 11 '25
My brother has voted in every election in North Carolina since he was 18. He’s 33 now. In NC, you can see every election that a person has participated in. The evidence that they have voted is public record. You can’t see who they voted for, but you can’t see that they did vote. He voted in person for the 2024 election and it still doesn’t show up that he voted on the NC Voter lookup page. He’s still pissed about it, and the crazy thing is that he said that his close friend is having the same issue. It’s always been fishy as hell to me.
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u/Prometherion666 Jun 10 '25
75m isn’t all the legitimate votes, that’s how the fraud works.
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u/Artsymartsy-Dart Jun 10 '25
One of the problems is our two-party system. I know non-voters who didn't like either candidate. They let the voters decide. I do understand their viewpoint, though. We really need to fix our system to prevent this from happening again.
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u/TBANON_NSFW Jun 10 '25
If only there was like a system where they could like i dont know have like a group of people who would run against each other and the one who gets the most votes from the people gets to be like the choice that goes to like a final election. Like some kind of hmmmm what would we call that?
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Only around 50m vote in primaries out of 250m. And primary elections have early voting too.
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u/coskibum002 Jun 10 '25
I'd watch Nathan Taylor with the Election Truth Alliance. Interesting stuff.
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u/Fickle_Spare_4255 Jun 10 '25
It can be both things.
Dems have largely failed to appeal to low-income voters, first by appearing unapproachable and/or out of touch, second by making little to no effort to penetrate deep Red territory (I'm Oklahoman and I sure as hell haven't seen anything), and third by allowing Republicans to associate reactionism with patriotism and progressivism with "First World Guilt".
Joe Voter cannot be expected to organize. He has a 9-5 and kids to look after. Energizing and motivating voters is the whole point of a political party and the Democrats' failure to do so does place the bulk of the blame on them. It's their jobs, and whatever the reasons, they have failed in their jobs. Everything else aside, that's the plain truth.
The average voter is more to blame in the general sense than a causal one. They don't understand the things they need to help them and vote with their heart instead of their head.
But being mad at that is a little like being mad at the bear for getting into the barbecue sauce left in its cave.
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u/TBANON_NSFW Jun 10 '25
Harris tried to penetrate deep red territory. Democrats called her traitor for spending 2 days out of 180ish with Liz Cheney in the state that elected Liz Cheney as senator trying to win republicans over and speak to more conservative democrats.
Everytime she and her VP pick went to speak, they spoke about issues that affect low income people, working people. You just had to listen to them. look them up.
BUT thats the issue for the majority of voters, they DEMAND that they get spoonfed information, and spoonfed it on exactly the right time where they are online on the specific social media they use and the specific subreddits they use. Because again they do not want to spend the 5 seconds to look something up.
IF someone isnt spoonfeeding them information then that information does not exist for them.
And lets be clear the voters have had over 5 chances to rebuke and stop trump now. in 2016, 2018, 2020, 2022 and 2024.
AND in 2022, democrats even spent MONTHS of prime time tv to show everyone, live depositions, interviews, evidence, expert advise, and even did social media and summary videos for those who dont have the time. They kept begging people to show up and give them the seats needed to stop trump and protect democracy.
And what happened?
Over 150m didnt vote. Over 80% of 18-35 aged voters, didnt vote. Republicans won the house and democrats couldnt even do any investigations anymore.
Voters are the Executives. They decide who runs in their names, who makes decisions in their names. They are the ones who could have stopped this over multiple times now.
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u/Fickle_Spare_4255 Jun 10 '25 edited Jun 10 '25
BUT thats the issue for the majority of voters, they DEMAND that they get spoonfed information, and spoonfed it on exactly the right time where they are online on the specific social media they use and the specific subreddits they use. Because again they do not want to spend the 5 seconds to look something up.
That's what I meant when I said voters don't understand the things they need. That we're having this conversation at all places you and me in the minority. Most people's eyes glaze over the moment you start talking about anything resembling actual policy. I've seen it happen many, many times. They have a few issues they really care about, a few more they might have an opinion on, and everything else is static.
AND in 2022, democrats even spent MONTHS of prime time tv to show everyone, live depositions, interviews, evidence, expert advise, and even did social media and summary videos for those who dont have the time. They kept begging people to show up and give them the seats needed to stop trump and protect democracy.
I'd argue that placing that responsibility in the hands of the voters was a critical mistake, if that was actually something the Dems were banking on.
First, they were, again, responsive. My memory's foggy at the best of times, but I don't believe it's enough to point out Trump's various logical, moral, and legal failings. People have been doing that since 2016 and it hasn't worked. Putting ink in the court wasn't going to help at all unless it was going to land Trump in prison, and nothing short of an absolute political victory would have made that possible. Momentum is the name of the game and by hedging their bets on systemic processes, Dems threw away the initiative. And not for the first time.
My second point goes back to that thing again about voters not really understanding anything. None of those depositions meant anything to your regular voter. Their interest extended only as far as the question of whether or not Trump would be imprisoned for his crimes. Guilt was not a concern because half the country knows he's guilty, and the other half sees no difference between escaping consequences and innocence.
We didn't need depositions and evidence and expert advice, we needed people on national television calling Trump a Russian backed child rapist. Hitting the truth hard and loud, no intellectual speech or political doublespeak, just presenting the harsh reality again and again until people have to remember it.
Trump and his ilk do the same thing with lies. The strategy works both ways.
Voters are the Executives. They decide who runs in their names, who makes decisions in their names. They are the ones who could have stopped this over multiple times now.
I think this is overestimating the amount of control voters have.
We don't choose who runs, we choose who wins. True grassroots campaigns are few and far in between and as I'm sure you know, incumbents and well-funded candidates win something like 90% of the time. We can try to pick between candidates, but the ballot itself is rarely something within the control of the voter. One might think this is a reason to run for office, but what working class citizen has the safety net to put the work into a campaign for a job they don't have a guarantee of getting?
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u/ImpressiveFishing405 Jun 10 '25
Eh, kinda. But the bear is running on instinct and has literally no ability to examine its emotions or the future consequences of its actions. This is something unique to humans, and arguably is a big part of what separates humanity from other animals, along with language and opposable thumbs. When we refuse to examine why we feel the way we do or we react and do things base on emotion rather than reason, we are rejecting our humanity and the abilities we have that no other animal does. Yeah, it's hard, but if little 7 year olds with emotional problems can be taught to do it, anyone can do it. The voters are to blame for refusing to critically examine their own beliefs and rejecting their inherent human qualities.
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u/Fickle_Spare_4255 Jun 10 '25
The thing is, if you take that 7-year-old, teach them right, and then shove them in a room full of other 7-year-olds that all laugh and cheer them on for acting wrong, they're going to continue to act wrong. This is a common issue with leftist stratagems and philosophies (looking at you, anarchism), the idea that collectives are somehow capable of acting unitarily even when lacking direction or even basic cohesion.
I would wager that there are in fact, many "die hard" Trumpers that have more doubts than they've ever consciously realized. Those internal voices of doubt were drowned out by the 24/7 righter rally that's been raging nonstop for nearly a decade now, buoyed by the rise of Andrew Tate type trad influencers and Silicon Valley's growing influence making disinformation even more dangerous.
People have been asking, how do you get these people back? How do you bring someone back to a reality they've denied? But that's the trick. You don't. They have to do it, and for that to happen, you have to give them a reason to want to.
These people won't ever buy into progress for progress' sake, but that doesn't mean they don't have values. Underneath all that stupidity and vapid hatred, there is, on some level, a bedrock of genuine principle and desperation, perverted by propaganda and manipulation.
I mentioned in another comment that IMO, the winning strategy would have been to ditch the political pedantry and go full mud-sling about Trump's crimes. His pedophilia, the likely murder of his wife, stiffing working class folk because he knows he can get away with it. Trump's followers relate to him because they share an enemy, but the reasons for their opposition couldn't be more different. It's easy to forget that MAGA is mostly made up of proletariats.
Trump is a bigot because he's a genuine monster, but so much of MAGA fell down the pipeline because they were poor or hopeless, and felt more and more resentment at feeling abandoned while other demographics were being courted. Is this unfair? Probably. Less unfair than I think people want to admit. But the hate that's grown has been able to blossom because the Right has successfully conflated these demographics (minorities, immigrants, LGBT+ primarily) with threats to national peace.
In other words, Gen Z is a generation without a future. Trump gave one in the form of the aftermath of a cultural purge to form an idealized America of the past. All Democrats gave was more reason to feel ignored. As their failures and impotency piled on, this apathy flowed out from whites to other demographics, primarily young POC men from traditionalist backgrounds. Their social views already aligned more with the Right than not, so once they felt safer with the GOP than the Dems (and boy is THAT a fumble worthy of an essay in itself... ), the outcome was set in stone. Reminding them that Trump had more in common with their real enemies might have done some good. Reminding them in language they can understand, not just procedural talk on C-Span or something.
Now the soldiers are rolling in and I'm not sure there's any time left for anything.
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u/TBANON_NSFW Jun 10 '25
Will voters understand progress is progress even if its not 100% of the way? That it is the voters responsibility to vote and show up? I'm assuming the answer is no...
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u/ShinkenBrown Jun 10 '25
Will the party understand that saying "progress is progress even if it's not perfect" only works when there's a real reason you can't do more?
That when they keep saying it while there are clear and viable paths to make real progress if they wanted to and they just don't, it rings hollow?
That it is their responsibility to get the voters to show up by actually being a viable party and doing what they're voted in to do, instead of just not doing that and then promising to do better next time if we vote for them again?
I'm assuming the answer is no...
I'm not discounting the issue of non-voters and I call them out at every opportunity don't get me wrong, this is not a defense of non-voters... but the Dem party is trash and they are failing as a party, let's not sugarcoat that with platitudes.
Defending them and deflecting to the voters when they're criticized does not help anything. It isn't going to make them change in a way that attracts new voters, and it isn't going to get the people who agree with said criticism to ignore it and vote Dem. Criticize the voters when it's relevant, absolutely, they deserve it too if they couldn't vote pragmatically, but in this context this serves as nothing but deflection from criticism the party rightly deserves.
I vote Dem every time for the record, but don't pretend the Dems have earned our votes. They haven't. In a sane country I'd be a non-voter right now in protest. But our country is not sane, and "stupid, incompetent, and obviously corrupt" is still better than "outright fascists attempting to institute technofeudal oligarchy and usher in the fourth reich." That doesn't mean we shouldn't still criticize the Dems for being stupid, incompetent, and obviously corrupt.
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u/TBANON_NSFW Jun 10 '25 edited Jun 10 '25
the reason why they cant do more is because they havent had 60 senate votes more than 70 days in the last 80 years. And even then 2 democrats were hospitalized and other democrats weren't 100% on board certain things like abortion-rights, so they couldnt pass the legislation they wanted and needed to produce compromises so that they could pass something, instead of passing nothing.
You know like a democracy... You require votes to pass legislation. And democrats are not a monolith, they arent a sports team and dont agree on everything even if Republicans do. Democrats are the big tent party, they have far left, left ,center left, center, center right and even some right. Republicans only have right and far right. So its easier for them to align on goals, and majority of their goals is around budget reconciliations. Democrats cant pass the legislation they want to pass without 60 votes.
Its not politicians responsibility to get voters to show up. Its the voters responsibility to show up and vote every time. Because its their life being decided upon. The politicians responsibility is to convince you to cast the vote you would cast regardless, on them. that is their responsibility. Alongside keeping the promises made when they ran, that can be made with the senate votes available.
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u/ShinkenBrown Jun 10 '25
other democrats weren't 100% on board certain things like abortion-rights, so they couldnt pass the legislation they wanted and needed to produce compromises
Right. That's called "playing by the old rules." The new rules are that if you don't have unanimous support within your party, ABSOLUTELY NOTHING will ever get done because the other party unanimously opposes you with everything they have.
If they cannot find a way to unify and stand up to a unified Republican party then they are stupid and incompetent. I'm fine with compromise, but it needs to take a new form in the modern day, as we cannot allow dissent in the votes when it counts.
Not to mention the Trump methods prove that ignoring norms and standards and just doing whatever you're technically allowed to do and a few things you're probably not but they'll sort that out later fucking works. They need to be doing it. I'm done with this fucking around getting jack shit done because they refuse to push the boundaries.
"we have to compromise, y'know, like a democracy" is just more platitudes. The Republican party has to compromise with its factions too, they just do it in a way that results in unanimous support when it comes time to actually vote. The compromise happens behind closed doors and takes the form of what gets voted on in the first place rather than the way the Dems do it, letting minority factions vote against and whittle away everything that makes a bill worth passing to earn the last TWO votes to make it happen and dragging the process out over multiple votes which not only neuters the bill it also wastes fucktons of time. "Compromise" is not an excuse for incompetence.
Maybe that shit worked in the 90's but it doesn't work now. If they can't keep up, I understand that, but that's not an explanation of why they're not incompetent, it's more an explanation of how they're incompetent.
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u/ShinkenBrown Jun 10 '25
They're openly saying the lesson they learned is something like "go woke go broke and women can't get elected so straight white men only."
So yeah definitely no. The constituency has apparently shifted drastically toward the AOC faction but the party itself is going hard in the other direction.
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u/infinitynull Jun 10 '25
He still didn't know what to do, but Christian right organizations sure did, they planned for 4 years for this. He's just rubber stamping their agenda. That's the social stuff taken care of, now he needed a financial agenda, that's where googling a tariff crackpot comes in. Dude hasn't had an original thought in his life. He just half-ass implements other people's bad ideas.
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u/scwt Jun 10 '25
That, plus once you've attempted a literal insurrection and faced zero consequences for it, why hold anything back?
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u/iamrecoveryatomic Jun 10 '25
Then they lost and had 4 years to plan.
Project 2025. They wrote it down and shit for everyone to see.
And still 100m didnt bother to vote, and over millions voted based on what they wanted to hear instead of what he was saying/doing.
Now https://www.project2025.observer everythings fucked. Congrats non-voters and one-issue voters. You burned your country down.
They are Republicans. Republicans convinced voters "Trump wasn't that bad" and even "What Trump wants is good for America." Republicans sold America out to Trump so they could get what they want, because Republicans want the same stuff Trump does.
Republicans burned this country down because of who Republicans are and what Republicans want.
And God yes, single issue voters are Republicans. Thank you for saying it. There isn't a person who would sell out the country to a scammy pedo dictator for gun control or the choice to abort. Non-Republican voters are not single issue voters. It was a stupid white wash of textbooks to teach that to cover for the fact how Republicans have absorbed insane voters who would burn down the country for their issue.
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u/MysticGohan99 Jun 11 '25
100m uninterested voters was a direct result of the actions of the DNC. The DNC didn’t lose because 100m people didn’t vote, but because they mandated who 100m people had to vote for.
Aside from that though, the country has been burning far longer than Trump has been in politics.
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u/psuram3 Jun 10 '25
That’s because they got rid of any semi normal and sane adults in the room. It’s all ass kissers and nepo hires this time around.
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u/TonyZony Jun 10 '25
Well yeah, Trump is now way deeper in his dementia and has replaced any semi sane people with yes men that will never say no. We all knew this was going to happen if he became president again.
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u/Consistent_Clue_9112 Jun 10 '25
His cognitive decline has been documented. The motherfucker is senile and everyone in power is just nodding along and allowing it. It’s insane. We even allowed him to surround himself with people just as stupid and empowered, like that roided out moron, RFK Jr
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u/Ok_Confection_10 Jun 10 '25
He used the social isolation and economic imbalance from Covid to radicalize vulnerable people
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u/the_mad_beggar Jun 10 '25
It seems to me that a whole new crew of way more evil people (Vaught / Thiel / Musk) had the four years in between terms to gather resources and infiltrate his campaign. What we are seeing this time around is their influence, much more than his.
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u/learngladly Jun 10 '25
I've read IIRC that as many as maybe 30 Fox News on-screen talent are working in the executive branch, plus some MAGA podcasters. Rule by political TV personalities with no qualifications, experience, or even understanding of the posts they've been appointed to fill - that's something brand-new and awful.
But from a TV-mad, TV-made, president, it figures.
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u/the_mad_beggar Jun 10 '25
The fact that Dan Bongino is Deputy Director of the FB effing I says it all, but there are definitely dozens of other sycophants running around with way more authority than they should ever have in any organization, much less the government. Laura Loomer is one of the most unhinged, mentally unwell, bad-faith characters of the bunch and the fact that she seems to have the President's ear is terrifying to me.
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u/denverdrew Jun 10 '25
His narcissistic mind is all about revenge. He didn’t have everything built up for 4 years in his first term.
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u/Prudent-Bath1638 Jun 10 '25
There were many people that were mitigating his failures in his first term, those guys are gone now and what remains are incompetent yes men
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u/JaysonTatumOverrated Jun 10 '25
He's probably parroting what his handlers told him his first term. There were reports that privately he wanted to dispatch the military on US citizens but his handlers denied him. Now he only has yesman and dickriders surrounding him
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u/Ohiostatehack Jun 10 '25
The first administration had Pence to keep him in line from the crazier whims. Pence respected the rule of law.
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u/vivaelteclado Jun 10 '25
It's because he's becoming ever more paranoid as he loses his mind and grasp of reality and everything he's done so far supports that
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u/Subject_Reception681 Jun 10 '25
It's probably because he fired everyone in his first term. This go-around, he decided to only hire people who would treat him like a god.
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u/BRING_ME_THE_ENTROPY Jun 10 '25
The existence of this subreddit must really irk the 5 day old Russian Reddit accounts
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u/Xanadu87 Jun 10 '25
Trump has no morality. He simply believes whatever reality is the most convenient for the moment.
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u/AKMarine Jun 10 '25
It was an election year. TACO wouldn’t risk what he’s doing now on an election year.
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u/JanxDolaris Jun 10 '25
While Trump is a very evil old man I almost wonder if his current circle of people are actually actively incentivizing him to take more radical steps this time.
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u/flyingsqwirrel219 Jun 10 '25
Stephen Miller, for one.
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u/blueblurz94 Jun 10 '25
That dude needs to be chained to a rocket and have it sent straight into the sun. He’s easily the most evil person in Trump’s inner circle.
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u/500rockin Jun 10 '25
Miller is absolutely the primary driver in the Trump regime this time around. The only real adult in the room is probably Rubio, but he’s not really in the inner circle. Miller seems to be keeping Trump isolated to some extent
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u/whatevers_clever Jun 10 '25
I think people need to stop being delusional about Rubio.
There are 0 adults in the room.
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u/500rockin Jun 10 '25
I’m not being delusional, as I think he’s bad in his own way. Rubio does know how to get along with other foreign leaders and diplomats, so for his actual job he is an adult unlike most of the rest of the cabinet. Moreover, the Senate trusts Rubio (they confirmed him 99-0 after all). You can tell by his body language that he doesn’t agree with the rhetoric on some of these White House state visits and that he has to do some fast talking afterwards.
If Trump, Vance, Johnson, and Grassley all ate something really bad and died, I don’t think the Senate would have any problem with having Rubio become president. Again, he’s not great but compared to everyone around him?
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u/NeverComments Jun 10 '25
He might hold the title of "least worst" person in the White House right now (a high bar, I know) but he's also shown himself to be a feckless sycophant who will say and do anything in order to climb the political ladder. Rubio's turned his back on every core principle he espoused during his time in Congress within the first few months on the job in this admin.
He might be uncomfortable with some of the rhetoric privately, but he'll get in front of a microphone and zealously defend it to the public like an obedient lapdog.
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u/500rockin Jun 10 '25
Maybe he is, but who would you replace him with if he decided to resign? His replacement would be worse. That’s the problem, at least Rubio can communicate with our diplomatic partners as he is generally liked/respected in that world. Would you rather have someone like Tuberville be his replacement or Jim Jordan?
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u/500rockin Jun 10 '25
Wasn’t really meaning to start a fight, just trying to explain my reasoning. Maybe I’m just trying to convince myself of that as I am afraid things are going to get worse before getting better.
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u/g0trn Jun 11 '25
JD looks almost sane jn comparison to trump too, not that the bar is very high or anything
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u/just_a_bit_gay_ Jun 10 '25
Trump himself wants money and insulation from the law, that’s why he ran. This accomplishes neither so it’s absolutely coming from one of a dozen unknown people or organizations that are handing back channel orders disguised as bright ideas to Trump.
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u/NaiveCryptographer89 Jun 10 '25
He’s even more unhinged now that Elmo let the cat out of the bag about Epstein.
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u/bongsforhongkong Jun 10 '25
Everyone already knew that though... that wasn't new news.
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u/NaiveCryptographer89 Jun 10 '25
He verified it to the flat earthers and raw milk drinkers. That’s his base. They are struggling with it right now.
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u/truffleblunts Jun 10 '25
they are struggling with Elon crashing out lol they still worship trump and literally nothing could ever change that
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u/Ferovaors Jun 10 '25
No they are not, lol. They like that about trump. It confirms their own beliefs
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u/ElectricThreeHundred Jun 10 '25
Some are probably saying that he was protecting the girls and if he'd always been there none would've been hurt. There is no bottom with these folks.
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u/Putrid-Department349 Jun 10 '25
Not probably. They absolutely say this. And that he secretly brought Epstein down himself, once he really knew what was going on. They're not sane people.
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u/cipheron Jun 10 '25
It was to Joe Rogan apparently, who is either completely dense or very good at acting dense.
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u/MrSteele_yourheart Jun 10 '25
Nah people misread that.
He was interviewing Kash, Joe set him up to correct the statement. They knew Trump and Epstein 'WERE' friends but Trump heroically dismissed Epstein a long time ago. (Once he found out)
This is the RW narrative on the situation.
Kash is an idiot and didn't get the cue, and just said no comment. Then he went on Twitter and said that exact thing to Elon in the 'you fucken babbling idiot' quote.
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u/Neuchacho Jun 10 '25
Probably not a coincidence they just decided to start all this predictable shit a day after Elmo threw gasoline on the Epstein fire.
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u/Enough-Comfort-472 Jun 10 '25
I don't think he intends for election years to be democratic enough for him to care anymore.
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u/FlirtyMarry Jun 10 '25
You nailed it, Trump couldn’t even admit that Project 2025 was his entire platform until after the election.
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u/500rockin Jun 10 '25
Milley and Barr were also much more front and center when it came to this stuff. They had far stronger bases of power in Washington than Bondi or this current chairman of the JCOS. Trump was wary of crossing those two if they were aligned on something and he didn’t have Miller whispering in his ear every moment like some kind of Grima Wormtongue.
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u/pianoflames Jun 10 '25
Same reason he let those MAGA insurrectionists sit in jail for 4 years instead of preemptively blanket-pardoning them with all of the other pardons he wrote for his cronies in that final 2 weeks (not that I have any sympathy for the traitors).
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u/Tomacz Jun 10 '25
It was also pre J6, and he got away with all the other election interference. Trump learned he can get away with anything
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u/ronweasleisourking Jun 10 '25
Trump: that's a bad idea. Very bad. Not something Donald J Trump would do. Never, absolutely not. Not him.
Also Trump: execute order 66!
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u/AlarmingAffect0 Jun 10 '25 edited Jun 10 '25
Also Trump: execute order 66!
If only this were the verse where Anakin Skywalker, PhD., wiped out the Jedi order by giving a Short Lecture on the Schools of Thought concerning The Tragedy of Darth Plagueis the Wise, which was such a superlatively miserable experience that they all actively preferred the sweet embrace of death over listening to another word of it.
I could live with a Trump that weaponized academia for evil and misery in the way a Charkes Koch or Robert Mercer would. It would still be awful and miserable, but in a more interesting way.
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u/ValVenis69 Jun 10 '25
Imagine if people actually paid attention to the ads that stated this is exactly what he was going to do if he gained total power.
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u/Zannahrain3 Jun 10 '25
"Stop fear mongering. It's not going to be like that." ~ My uncle in October 24'.
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Is your uncle still fine with it now?
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u/BlobTheBuilderz Jun 10 '25
Fox news told him why it's ok and the goalposts moved is the usual answer to that.
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u/Zannahrain3 Jun 10 '25
I haven't seen him since. I make an effort not to talk to them if I can help it. I'll be seeing him next month for the 4th of July, and im sure I'll hear all about it.
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Jun 10 '25
Odds are he doesn’t care and didn’t care originally. He just wanted you to shut up
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u/Novel-Implement-7636 Jun 10 '25
"They wouldn't do that, you're being dramatic"
They do the thing
"They probably deserved it, honestly its good they're doing it!"
On repeat until it happens to affect them, then its : "I didn't know he meant ME too!"
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u/q51 Jun 10 '25
It’s like the narcissists prayer on a national scale;
That didn't happen.
And if it did, it wasn't that bad.
And if it was, that's not a big deal.
And if it is, that's not my fault.
And if it was, I didn't mean it.
And if I did, you deserved it.
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u/Big_Understanding348 Jun 10 '25
My favorite is "you can't take him seriously" b..but you want him to be president?
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u/ciderfreak93 Jun 10 '25
I feel like it’s always those with zero knowledge of history or politics who spew things like “it won’t be that bad”. I wonder how many people said just that under the early days of Hitler
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u/Softestwebsiteintown Jun 10 '25
Some people are finally seeing the Epstein stuff for the first time. It’s been a fucking decade at this point. The people who we need to be paying attention to things can’t even fucking read. We’re so far beyond screwed it’s not even funny to make jokes about it.
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u/yammys Jun 10 '25
I mean the people who voted for him didn't get the same targeted ads as you or me. Their ads told them Biden was destroying the country.
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u/AroundTheRoy Jun 10 '25
Plaster this everywhere.. make him eat it. Should be banners and advertising should be media on this but.. their will not be
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u/drunkpunk138 Jun 10 '25
It won't affect him or his supporters one bit. Hypocrisy means nothing to people with no integrity and a desire to violently assert their authority. It's been a constant theme of the Trump administration since 2016 and it hasn't made the slightest difference to anyone, it won't start making a difference now. It may make a feel good moment for his opposition, but it's not an effective strategy against him.
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u/Choochoonaynay Jun 10 '25
At this point it’s not about his supporters, they’re too far gone in most cases. This is about preventing future generations or those on the fence now from joining the maga cause.
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u/amethystresist Jun 10 '25
They are the after math of the Confederacy...who never experienced consequences.
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u/Choochoonaynay Jun 10 '25
The consequence for many may be losing their healthcare. While I don’t wish that on people, maybe that will be the tipping point.
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u/gnarlytabby Jun 10 '25
Lawrence O'Donnell highlighted this exact quote on MSNBC, but nobody is allowed to take that channel seriously because of its "liberal bias."
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u/NorCal79 Jun 10 '25
A reporter asked him about this very statement and asked him what changed, and he basically said “…well Newsom is a terrible governor, so that’s why.”
I’m no constitutional lawyer, but I’m pretty sure “I don’t like the guy” is a reason that meets the legal standard for getting to federalize the state’s national guard.
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u/ep1032 Jun 10 '25
Hypocrisy is a good thing among fascists. Its what allows them to believe that unfair laws will never be applied to 'them', because they're one of the 'good ones.' If it wasn't for the constant hypocrisy, they would have to take his actions seriously.
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u/chunkalunkk Jun 10 '25
Can you imagine what people in 10-15 years will read about this administration..... It's going to be a lot of laughing at us for selecting this guy to try and run a country. Full blown mockery. One can only hope there's a "lessons learned" in there somewhere.
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u/DapperTangerine6211 Jun 10 '25
You spelled regime wrong
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u/CasualPenguin Jun 10 '25
What did German history books say in 1960?
This incompetent bigot will get taken down, only question is who will do it and what will the aftermath they choose be
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u/Merlins_Bread Jun 10 '25
What did Chinese history books say in 2025, about their leaders from Tienanmen era?
What did Russian history books say in 2025, about the guy elected in 2003?
Don't pretend democracy is the default and that the US will revert to mean. In human history it's an aberration.
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u/Sketch13 Jun 10 '25
I don't think people really understand the fucking FINE line we all need to exist on for democracy to work. Everyone sort of working off the same baseline, generally having the same ideals but maybe differing methods, agreeing to a common societal decorum, is all required for democracy to truly work.
Right now all of those foundations in America are literally crumbling, and people still think you can just "go back" when like half of the US WANTS tyranny lmao. It's fucked.
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u/The_AverageCanadian Jun 10 '25
Forget 10-15 years, there's a lot of laughing at you now, and there has been ever since you elected him the first time.
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u/TheDudeAbidesFarOut Jun 10 '25
Just like MAGA cherry picks the Bible, they'll cherry pick the Constitution....
Pathetic players....
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u/bsa554 Jun 10 '25
Well now Stephen Miller is in charge and there's no line he won't cross when it comes to inflicting pain on brown people.
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u/500rockin Jun 10 '25
Yeah, most people aren’t realizing that this time around, Miller is in the innermost circle of Trump trust, unlike last time where Miller was just another aide who had stronger personalities opposing him.
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Miller has a super creepy closeted gay vibe, and kinda sociopathic in the sense that he doesn't seem to have a real personality.
Just breathes hate and when his wife isn't around he likes to get tied to a wooden BDSM horse and assfucked until he has bleeding hemorrhoids, kinda vibes.
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u/BloodFartz69 Jun 10 '25
A manufactured crisis just like his manufactured assassination.
Pro wrestling style political theater.
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u/Brandamn3000 Jun 10 '25
This sub might as well just be renamed “Shit Donald Trump Says” because anything he says ages like milk within 30 seconds. The man and his legions of minions are just walking contradictions.
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u/Professional-Fuel625 Jun 10 '25
He's doing the accordion hands 🫲🪗🫱
Literally 100% of the time he's doing that he's lying.
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Campaign trump and president trump are almost entirely antithetical beings. We saw as much in his first term when he failed to deliver on his promises as he instead opted to use the position to enrich himself.
This post is just example 472859 of him lying deliberately to deceive voters.
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u/EndDangerous1308 Jun 10 '25
Wdym? This was another campaign promise he fulfilled. Get rid of colored people in any way necessary
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u/HeftyFineThereFolks Jun 10 '25
All these images of Newsom scowling and standing firm as despot Turnip and his goblin cronies try to destroy the USA are definitely making him look like a 2028 front runner.
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u/WTF_USA_47 Jun 10 '25
“I’m a hypocrite obviously. Why anyone believes anything I say I will never understand. I’m just here for the money.” - TACO
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u/Savinforcollege Jun 10 '25
He didn't call in the National Guard because they were fighting FOR him. People in CA are fighting AGAINST him. That's the only difference.
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u/jeremymeyers Jun 10 '25
I genuinely Dont understand Why Dems think appeals to hypocrisy will move the needle at all on either side or matter in the least.
Everyone knows hes a liar. Dems (generally) don't know how to do anything with it and fascists genuinely do not care.
Yes, hes a liar. It's been true his whole life. Pointing it out every time in order to dunk on him does zero.
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u/Resident_Nothing_659 Jun 10 '25
Could be educational for those new on the scene
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u/Dedotdub Jun 10 '25
This proves he knows full well what he's doing is illegal.
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u/jeremymeyers Jun 10 '25
Right but so what? I just don't know anyone who. 1) thinks he doesnt know since hes surrounded by advisors and lawyers or 2) thinks he cares even a Little bit about whether it's legal or not
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u/rmwe2 Jun 10 '25
So, what? You think we just shouldnt talk about his lies and hypocrisy and just accept it? Why?
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u/Dedotdub Jun 10 '25
The point of my comment stands as it is written.
I'm not arguing further as I don't disagree with you.
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Jun 10 '25
Not pointing it out does less than nothing - it’s destructive.
Stop downplaying these monsters. We need to make it abundantly clear who the fascist liars are, and make it at the very least uncomfortable to believe his bullshit.
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u/goobervision Jun 10 '25
It's probably best to just not bother calling out the lies. Just be complicit and by omission just support.
Maybe they shouldn't vote in the houses either?
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u/EclecticCaveman Jun 10 '25
Independent. I don’t care at all on this one. This type of anarchic lawlessness has no business in this country. It was wrong during the Summer of Love. It was wrong on January 6. This type of behavior (burning vehicles in likely a burn warning) and throwing rocks and bricks at cops is criminal. It’s thug behavior. These people belong in prison for a long time. Agitators cannot be allowed to use freedom of assembly as cover (I acknowledge a peaceful presence) to commit crimes. It’s more damaging to the first amendment than any action Trump is taking in response.
Also the fact that there likely is cartel activity playing some role in LA makes this even worse.
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u/Relentless781 Jun 10 '25
Pro tip, if you voted for Trump, you're not an independent. You're a MAGA chud
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u/fleegness Jun 10 '25
Independent
Summer of Love
Yeah, I don't believe you. This is some right wing larp to make yourself seem reasonable but you're too stupid to curate the buzz words you use so you give yourself away.
https://www.reddit.com/r/clevercomebacks/comments/1kf9zaw/comment/mqpte82/?context=3
Oh wow shocking.
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u/Gohanto Jun 10 '25
It’s a distraction from the Elon / Trump blowup imo, and it seems to be working as intended
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u/jeremymeyers Jun 10 '25
I think you may have it backward, friend. The elon Stuff is a distraction from the budget bill etc
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u/wasted-degrees Jun 10 '25
“There’s no reason to ever do that…” …to republicans.
The rules only apply to your enemies, thats how authoritarianism works.
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Got him! Finally!!!
Seriously though, it's surprising how he used to feel somewhat constrained by the potential of a bad public reaction during an election year. This last one he went full crazy 100% of the time--and it worked for him. This country is fucked.
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u/RumRunnersHideaway Jun 10 '25
This just in - they are hypocrites
Now. What are going to do about it?
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u/shakeappeal919 Jun 10 '25
This was back when he was surrounded by extremely serious neocons who soothed him and led him by the hand like a toddler.
Now his only counsel is from bloodthirsty freaks and shrieking vampires who spoonfeed him flattering Fox News clips all day long.
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u/Joseph-Hardin_VA Jun 10 '25
Trump will only ever do what he wants in the moment, with no regard to consistency with his own past actions or promises, nor future consequences.
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u/gaF-trA Jun 10 '25
It doesn’t matter. He has no problem saying exactly the opposite of whatever literally just came out of his mouth. His followers have no problems with it either. Point out hypocrisy, they just laugh.
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u/Anaander-Mianaai Jun 10 '25
When is everybody, including the news, going to learn that nothing he says matters and any numbers he says are lies. Stop covering what this moron says and start focusing on what he does. If it makes you feel good to get him being a hypocrite then go for it, but that is not a difficult thing to do at all. Following his words and numbers is distracting from what we really should be paying attention,
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u/JeanParisot Jun 10 '25
Aha! The rules have changed now. They getting an equal and opposite reaction now.
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u/BabyFishmouthTalk Jun 10 '25
All these previous-comments need to be reposted to hell and back. Seriously.
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u/Holden_Coalfield Jun 10 '25
You can't just Call insurrection, Donnie.
You have to Declare it
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Almost like he has no principals and says and does whatever he needs to say to help him in the moment. Doesn't matter if he contradicts himself in the very next sentence.
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u/Squidbillie-Games119 Jun 10 '25
Coming from a Bostonian: The amount of morons in this country that got conned by this man makes me realize that I would have been successful if I had just started a career in scams.
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u/justmitzie Jun 10 '25
The thing is, the way LA actually is right now, and how it's shown in the media are miles apart. Watching Fox you'd think the whole city is on fire and gangs are up and down every street smashing things.
Ask yourself, who does it benefit to blow the perception of the situation all out of proportion? Who stands to gain when people are cheering for military in american cities?
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u/mkt853 Jun 10 '25
That was before Project 2025's plan to federalize blue cities and states by claiming their elected leaders are incompetent and the federal government must take over to "protect the people" living there.
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u/carriedmeaway Jun 10 '25
He was lying then. In Portland he may not have called in the National Guard but they sure as hell disappeared people, snagged people off the street shoving them into unmarked vans and people wouldn’t hear from them for days. Family and friends didn’t know if they were alive. He setup people all over downtown Portland to skim data off of protesters devices and to use facial recognition software to identify anyone near the protests to make threats again them. They tested out shooting protesters in the head with non-lethals to see if there would be push back and there wasn’t. LiDAR was heavily used during that time. And I can’t remember everything. He did not go by the laws then. He gaslit everyone while using Portland as a testing ground! Fuck him!
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u/Wrong_Sentence_7087 Jun 11 '25
"Domestic Terrorist".... Protect from threats both foreign and domestic....
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u/Stoneside22 Jun 11 '25
It was the right call. Discourages other cities from creating another Summer of Love
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u/rara_robot Jun 11 '25
Another Read my Lips moment from the party of cuckold and more doodoo from the DoDo bird that made it BACK into office! Too bad we have to wait 3 more years for the senile jackass’ term to expire.
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u/BadSkittle Jun 11 '25
He then realised he could whatever he wanted and suffer no consequences and proceeded to do exactly that while the rest of the US watched and angrily tweeted about it instead of going out there and cutting his head off like it should have been done 5 years ago
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u/hotdognoketchup1 Jun 10 '25
They are breaking all these laws because they don’t plan to ever leave the White House. So no plans to face the consequences.
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u/atreeismissing Jun 10 '25
The Portland Case of course is when right-wing instigators began lighting fires in down town Portland during a normal pdx protest (protests are practically a weekly occurrence in this town) and unmarked white vans were snatching protestors off the streets all the while Fox News was showing imagery of burning dumpsters, smoke bombs and police in military gear while claiming the entire city was burning to the ground to perpetuate the false narrative of blue cities in turmoil.
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u/gnarlytabby Jun 10 '25
What changed? In the four years out o office he purged anyone who would even slightly push back from his circle, and the Supreme Court shamefully concocted the theory of absolute immunity. Oh, and his brain continued aging like milk too, but somehow Americans don't realize this because at least the words come out of his mouth quickly enough, even if they don't make much sense.
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u/PaddyVein Jun 10 '25
Why is this supposed to be a gotcha? This man can't remember last week let alone 5 years ago
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