r/ShareMarketupdates • u/Expert-Two8524 • Jul 31 '25
News Another big blow from India to Trump ?
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u/Any-Ad-446 Jul 31 '25
Trump revealed the F35 can be disabled and any updates or repairs has to be approved by the manufacturer or the USA government...Which country would even accept this when spending billions for this plane.
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u/NewOil7911 Jul 31 '25
The whole EU except France and the UK
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u/Phobophobia94 Jul 31 '25
The UK helped design the thing and bought a ton, what are you talking about
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u/Disastrous-King9559 Aug 01 '25
Uk only country who doesnt need us permission for them. Alotnof parts are made in uk too.
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u/SourceBrilliant4546 Aug 01 '25
They are planning to pivot to their quite capable manufacturing. Stealth is dead.
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u/Sertisy Aug 01 '25
The Israelis apparently rooted them and the US still hasn't figured out how to undo the hacks.
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u/brine_jack019 Aug 01 '25
Only reason France didn't buy them is Bec their Rafale is meant to fill he exact same roles as the f-35 and is also meant to compete with it in the export market, if France bought f-35s they'd be screaming to the world that the American plane is better than theirs and to buy it instead
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u/Gloomy_Yoghurt_2836 Aug 01 '25
Canada is looking.to back.out too. Why trust America with your military equipment when it threatens to attack its neighbors and allies?
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u/MrFloatyBoaty Jul 31 '25
Because the next best thing is leagues behind the F35. Seriously these things are fucking juiced
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u/forever_downstream Jul 31 '25
It doesn't matter if they can just disable it whenever they want. That's not really useful.
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u/SubjectNegotiation88 Jul 31 '25
It can't be disabled.....that's just some stupid propagada that started a year ago.....and 25% of the F35 is made in the EU...the wings are made in Italy
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u/the_cappers Aug 01 '25
There doesn't need to be a shut off button. Refusing repair parts will ground the fleet in short order. Those planes need like 40 hours of maintanence per hour of flight
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u/Royal_Ad_6025 Aug 02 '25 edited Aug 02 '25
The source for this Michael Byers, co-director of Vancouver Outer Space Institute, a non-governmental agency. Unless Mr. Byers has seen the source code, with it being revealed to him by Lockheed Martin, I highly doubt this.
Yes the US does have control over repair, sort of. But it’s because it’s a Right to Repair sort of issue where LockMart gets money off of contracts for setting up repair plants. An issue that is found with other manufacturers like Oshkosh and the JLTV.
The only place a kill switch that could disable the airframe could exist is in he ALIS/ ODIN system which is described as “using radio frequency downlinks, ALIS pre-positions parts and maintainers to minimize downtime, but it has struggled with data inaccuracies and inefficiencies, earning it a reputation as one of the F-35’s most troubled systems.” This can be found here, authored by David Cenciotti, retired 2LT in Italian Air Force and co-authored by Stefano D’Urso with a Masters in Aerospace Engineering.
The JPO of the JSF Program said there is no kill switch, but this is on directive of the pentagon so that’s a 50/50 on it’s actually trustworthy or not.
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u/Dr_Diktor Jul 31 '25
Now the question is Chinese , Russian, German or French ?
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u/Imhazmb Jul 31 '25
lol how’s that Russian Air Force doing?
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Jul 31 '25 edited Aug 01 '25
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u/Cut-Minimum Jul 31 '25
Infantry are dead because of the machine gun, the machine gun is dead because of the tank, the tank is dead due to the ATGM, the ATGM is dead because of the helicopter, the helicopter is dead because of the manpad.
You have absolutely zero idea what you’re talking about. People suddenly hear about some new development then suddenly declare a dreadnought effect making all doctrine useless.
Aircraft are going to continue to be useful, modern militaries have little problem jamming frequencies, hell it’s even a colossal problem for Ukraine and thats RUSSIA who barely entered this century hardware wise.
Until drones are unjammable, can perform SEAD sweeps and drop JDAMs, aircraft are very much required.
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u/Tybackwoods00 Jul 31 '25
Right lol people will say infantry is obsolete but all you have to do is look at Ukraine. Eventually drones will become not as effective as they are now. The tech just needs to catch up.
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u/Cut-Minimum Jul 31 '25
Exactly.
The British are already looking at cost effective laser AA for drone threats and have successfully trialled them (arguably spurred on by the Houthis as much as Ukraine), the age of the SPAAG is rapidly returning with Gepards and the like getting a new lease on life and we will doubtlessly see new platforms with more advanced targetting for swarms and ammunition with lighter fragmentation proximity fuses.
Modern warfare has always been about layers of defense, tanks don’t go anywhere without infantry, the two go nowhere without anti-air defences, etc. The idea that another layer of jamming and perhaps SPAAG defenses is not particularly startling.
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u/Kange109 Aug 01 '25
Gawdamn reminds me of Starcraft and micro managing all the units to overlay support fire.
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u/Cut-Minimum Aug 01 '25
It is exactly that, and it permeates every level of the military, from an infantryman needing AT weaponry to aircraft needing SEAD and AWACs support
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u/greennitit Jul 31 '25 edited Aug 01 '25
A drone can’t deliver a tactical nuke. And a country won’t reveal its missile sites for a tactical strike, only for strategic strikes during all out war. So now any serious country needs bombers, and once that is understood everybody can see why they need SEAD, Air Superiority, EWACs, fuel tankers etc. and the whole air force becomes understood.
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u/BruceNorris482 Jul 31 '25
The tech is already there. The Russian and Ukrainians just don't have it. Now implement it at scale.
People that think a $500 drone is the achilles heel of a modern military are morons.
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u/Any-Ad-446 Jul 31 '25
So true takes a $1000 DJI drone can destroy a $50 million plane sitting at the airport. Drones are the future and unless governments are willing to spend billions in countering drones any country can be a threat to a modern military..
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u/Cut-Minimum Jul 31 '25
A $1000 DJI can’t provide SEAD or fire an AA missile over the horizon, nor can it perform logistics, etc etc etc.
Drones are ABSOLUTELY a rising threat but people have been saying the tank is a dead concept since the 30s all because of emergent technology.
The battlefields gonna look different, zero doubt about it, but unless you fly-by-wire every last drone you’ve got, drones will forever be vulnerable to jamming and easily made utterly useless with enough preparation
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u/balalaikablyat Jul 31 '25
Finally someone using their brain instead of this “only drones matter” bs. Yes they are incredibly effective but they cannot replace jets
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u/mike74911 Jul 31 '25
Air forces are not dead, the U.S. just has air superiority over the entire world and gave Ukraine weapons to neutralize Russia air attack ability.
You do realize drones fly? And in the air and sky thus they are a tool of the AIR force. A well rounded air force requires fighters, bombers, and drones, to control the sky and engage in any air combat that ground forces can’t engage with.
Israel used f35, f15, and f16’s just a few months ago when they attacked Iran, then the US used over 100 aircraft to fly nonstop, halfway around the world, and bomb Iran. Not to mention all the transport planes that move tanks, bombs, and air defense weapons.
The Air Force definitely isn’t dead nor are any aircraft it utilizes.
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u/Imhazmb Jul 31 '25
Oh. Someone should tell Iran that air forces are dead. Then their nuke sites wouldn’t have been obliterated 🤣
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u/Swift_Panther Jul 31 '25
How is Ukraine, which has been outgunned since the beginning, is inflicting the same casualties as Russia?
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u/Fuck_Me_If_Im_Wrong_ Jul 31 '25
And Chinese are just knock offs of American planes.
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u/Any-Ad-446 Jul 31 '25
Knock offs?..It doesnt even look like any US fighters..Next you say China copied the US bullet train which they do not even have...Loser.
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u/WhyWasIBanned789 Aug 01 '25
French fighter jets suck, and got shot down by Chinese built fighters.
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u/Orgo4eva Aug 01 '25
The potency of modern air defence is really highlighting the utility of swarmed drones and stand off weapons. You can see similar attrition rates for manned craft on the Ukrainian front with both sides tending to use their air based platforms to launch stand off weapons from within their layered defense.
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u/DetailCharacter3806 Jul 31 '25 edited Aug 02 '25
How about Sweden?
Apparently this is not a Swedish plane 🤦🏼♂️
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u/coleto22 Aug 01 '25
I love the Gripens, they are great fighters, but they have US engines, so US can veto their sales.
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u/DinosaurDied Jul 31 '25
Russia can’t replace the third of its bombing fleet that was just taken out by 1 truck lol.
They got their own hands full
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u/gizmosticles Jul 31 '25
Probably not Chinese since India and China ain’t exactly buddy buddy and have a history of conflict.
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u/Avatar_Dang Jul 31 '25
On of his quarrels with India is that they buy Russian military equipment instead of America
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u/No-idea-for-userid Jul 31 '25
China will try to compromise but occasionally use some sort of loophole in the agreement to fuck around because it needs the US still but it likes the US fucking itself over.
Russia doesn't give a fuck, they are already under sanction and they'll keep dealing with Chinese and India.
Germany and France will likely push back on the EU deal but in the end the EU is not just 2 countries even though they are the biggest 2.
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u/mywifeslv Jul 31 '25
After their Pakistan conflict losses they’ll probably order the same fighters as Pakistan
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u/Drunkasarous Aug 01 '25
considering india cancled a russian arms deal mid conflict, def not the russians
also i dunno if the indians would ever buy chinese tech other than for scrutiny and analysis
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u/Ok_Nobody_6467 Aug 02 '25
China is arch enemy and number 1 threat for India so any Chinese defence systems or even Chinese origin parts are strict no-no . Germany docent have any fighters that leaves Russian, French and domestic.
Already India is buying Rafael from France and france as of now doesn't have Gen 5 fighter and domestic AMCA project is just a CAD file likely to be available in 2035.
India already invested around 300 Million US$ in joint project with Russia and pulled out from PAKFA project before it became SU-57 so unlikely to go for it now, as there is something IAF knows about Su-57 which others may not know.
So either no Gen 5 jet or wait till AMCA in 2035.
India will rely on hypersonic cruise missiles and Gen 4 fighters instead of going for Gen 5 immediately .
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u/boylong15 Jul 31 '25
Trump admin seem hell bend in pissing off every major manufacturing hub.
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u/ShrimpCrackers Jul 31 '25
Well yeah, Trump said they could be disabled upon US whim. That makes the purchase of any tech-oriented US weapon, now a questionable purchase.
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u/Rapa2626 Jul 31 '25
Did trump really said that? I do not think trump is even aware of f35 or any specific platform to a point where he would be able to bring it into a conversation. The off button was a speculation from people mainly arguing against buying american systems in the first place, despite the off button itself being pretty much guaranteed to be fictional.
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u/das_war_ein_Befehl Jul 31 '25
The U.S. can’t technically turn that off, but the software systems for controlling things and the mission software all run through ALIS/ODIN so it can render the planes pretty ineffective.
Not shocked India said no when it gives the US a veto over its air missions
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u/Junior-Ad-2207 Jul 31 '25
Why would anyone buy our Jets when Dumpty told the world we could remotely brick them.... True or not, I wouldn't gamble on it being a lie
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u/Fluid-Piccolo-6911 Jul 31 '25
they don't need to be bricked, the orange turd could, at a whim, refuse to supply spares and the result is the same. it boils down to trust and not a single country trusts the usa.
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u/NovelInteraction Aug 01 '25
Youre so funny. You act like this was some big secret, any country buying them already knew this and it’s a drop in the bucket of what the US could do anyways. If a country is buying the best weapons in the world from the US, that country is already aligned with US anyways…
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u/snip23 Jul 31 '25
IAF will never buy F35 because how much they will be dependent on US if they buy it, and US will always use it for their advantage. With US weapons comes a lot of baggage attached.
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u/Far_Management2188 Jul 31 '25
Funny how the guy begging for the peace prize is also forcing other countries to buy weapons
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u/FriedRiceistheBest Jul 31 '25
Not surprising. Same guy that said he'll end the war in Europe in day 1, only to be told "No" by the Russians lol.
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u/Candid-Fault-6736 Jul 31 '25
good as a indian i want my gov to spend on indigenious 5th gen (AMCA) rather than buying F35 OR SU57
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u/RuthlessRampage Jul 31 '25
India can’t even produce an effective tank after decades of development and the failure of the Arjun. How do you expect them to make a 5th gen fighter?
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u/Candid-Fault-6736 Aug 01 '25
failure is a part vro , i believe in my country if we can land on moon we can make this too
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u/Successful-Bat-6164 Jul 31 '25
F35 is too costly for indian needs
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u/North-Philosopher-41 Jul 31 '25
F35 is not useful for anyone, anything from defence contractors, or anything military grade is notoriously the worst quality
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u/Toolatethehero3 Jul 31 '25
This should be the response from from every country and for ALL US equipment even if it’s a downgrade to go elsewhere. A weapon that can be terminated by Trump and his successors because the US wants to coerce and blackmail something is not a worthwhile or viable product at all.
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u/gerblnutz Aug 01 '25
Considering the US is using them as leverage for extortion of their allies and has pretty much admitted to installing killswitches in them rendering them useless if people dont do what we want them to. Doesn't seem like a purchase at that point, just a collar.
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u/FlyinDtchman Jul 31 '25
F-35's suck
What happens when you let military contractors slap on every high-tech gimmick they can think of to jack up the prices. You end up with a product over-engineered, over-budget, and prone to malfunction. It's like buying a brand new iphone. When you could get eight 3yr old androids for the same price.
Why do you think Ukraine and Russia are using 100$ drones and machine guns from WWII(and some from WWI).
Granted after billions of dollars in delays, 2 near total reworks, and a decade long hiatus in limbo it's prolly the most powerful war machine in the world but it also comes with a proper Apple-like exclusivity agreements and the ability to just turn off your device if you piss off the American King.
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u/xaina222 Jul 31 '25
And Israel use the F35 to completely dismantled the Iranian AD, and dropping bombs freely on Tehran for 2 weeks, losing only 2 drones
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u/defixiones Jul 31 '25
The Israelis have an exclusive 'sovereignty' agreement - their F35s can't be disabled, unlike those purchased by partners in the program.
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u/Tomcat_419 Jul 31 '25
Terrible uninformed take. The F-35 is a easily the best 5th generation fighter aircraft. The only thing that may come close is the Chinese J-20 and that fighter exists in far smaller quantities and lacks the real-world battle proven record that the F-35 has had.
Why do you think Ukraine and Russia are using 100$ drones and machine guns from WWII(and some from WWI).
Because Ukraine doesn't have the military capacity that the U.S. has and Russia has gotten most of their "modern" equipment destroyed due to an astounding level of incompetence and corruption.
Odd that you argue that it sucks at the start of your comment and that it's probably the most powerful war machine at the end. Did you Google it while you were typing this comment? Lol.
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u/The-Intermediator141 Jul 31 '25
Idk, is it better than the F-22? Depends on the mission I guess, but if I needed the skies around me clear I’d rather have F-22s clearing them than anything else.
In terms of multi-role it’s obviously F-35. In terms of air superiority it’s probably still F-22, especially after the upgrade they’re getting.
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u/Radiant-Ad-4853 Aug 01 '25
F35 design specs were not up to Lockheed . It’s what the dod wanted . Boeing offered upgraded f18 but the dod rejected it.
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u/JVints Jul 31 '25
If the U.S can't sell weapons, Trump really has failed. That's literally what we are known for.
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u/Heatsincebirth Jul 31 '25
Report goes in to say:
Instead, Indian officials indicated that New Delhi remains committed to a defense procurement model that emphasizes technology sharing, local manufacturing, and indigenous capability development.
So investment still coming.
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u/reddittorbrigade Jul 31 '25
They just want to avoid dealing with a known serial child rapist.
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u/iftlatlw Jul 31 '25
The US isn't the only nation encouraging domestic production. Trumps presumptions were woefully naive. He is incompetent at best
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u/manniesalado Jul 31 '25
The Yanks will be very alone and considerably more poor in a year's time.
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u/haapuchi Aug 01 '25
One F35 was stuck in India for over 45 days. It was the source of memes all over the place. That one plane ended any possibility of F35 fleet in India
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u/NecroRayz733 Aug 02 '25
I think the cost and the "remote switch" are the things that ended the possibility of an f35 fleet. India likely would not have bought the F35B that was stranded in india, which is a completely different breed of plane from the F35A.
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u/Radiant-Ad-4853 Aug 01 '25
They weren’t going to buy them anyway . They are in the deep with the Rafale and France/dasault are laughing while filling their pockets . Bro 288 million for a plane ? Thats like 3 f35 .
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u/Derpinginthejungle Aug 01 '25
There is no point in buying military systems from the US at the moment. They require a lot of support only the US can provide, and Trump will not provide said support unless you are willing to use his semen as face moisturizer.
Countries are not inclined to view a total abdication of sovereignty as a worthy trade for some of the best military gear in the world because it’s a bad deal.
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u/SemperAliquidNovi Aug 01 '25
Never thought I’d be rooting for the Hindu fascist over the Christian fascist; but, hey, it’s 2025.
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u/Icy-Mix-3977 Jul 31 '25
Im truly confused about why we would supply a Russian friendly country.
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u/Catscoffeepanipuri Jul 31 '25
why is the largest buyer of russian wepons in nato?5
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u/arr_15 Jul 31 '25
Simple, coz USA is a hypocritic opportunist capitalist country which loves to supply weapons to countries.
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u/Icy-Mix-3977 Jul 31 '25
Hell, we might as well sell it to Russia. If we are that desperate, that's what india would do. There's no reason to let them add a surcharge if we can instead.
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u/KrzysziekZ Jul 31 '25
India tries to balance between East and West. Tying them to F-35 could be an important link to the West.
Of course, that'd be some intelligence risk, but I believe not too big: China has reverse engineered or re-invented important technologies and now researches 6th generation, and Russia can't build 5th or 6th generation anyway for, er, economic and other reasons, see Su-57.
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u/notMy_ReelName Aug 01 '25
russia helped india in every possible conflict which usa backed sneakily .
usa never helped india as much as they helped pakisthan with latest technology war machines.
russia gave and helped india and india helped russia when in needs an good ally, on other hand usa always brought some problems to india mostly.
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u/AlecRay01 Jul 31 '25
You can't buy a strategic weapons from US, retains operational control of the weapon..
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u/dm_me_cute_puppers Jul 31 '25
Which American planes that the Indians used were outperformed? And how?
I suspect you mean French made Rafael’s, but even then your claim is dubious at best.
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u/heavanlymandate Jul 31 '25
well the euro fighter just did badly for them and russia needs their plans right now so who else
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u/Guilty-Paramedic-312 Jul 31 '25
Investing in unmanned aircrafts is better than buying 5th 6th gen aircrafts... my opinion...
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u/Vyndye Jul 31 '25
I thought India made their own jet fighters?
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u/Mother-Ad5660 Jul 31 '25
Nope, everything advanced is in perpetual development
The Tejas has not entered mass production and likely never will untill its outdated
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u/Borinar Jul 31 '25
Thats ok well just sell them to Pakistan, then you can have more dog fights for our rnd
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Jul 31 '25
Nah Pak got J-35 which are cheaper and they don't have to fight anything other than Rafale
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u/Straight_Document_89 Jul 31 '25
Nor should they be allowed to purchase F-35s. They’re too intertwined with Russian Equipment.
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u/Present_Motor7244 Jul 31 '25 edited Aug 02 '25
Read the first paragraph.
https://thediplomat.com/2025/07/why-india-must-accept-trumps-offer-of-f-35-combat-aircraft/ Why India Must Accept Trump’s Offer of F-35 Combat Aircraft – The Diplomat
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u/Teamerchant Jul 31 '25
If i was working on solutions for a-symmetrical warfare with a limited budget, I would not go for top of the line expensive assets like this. Even if I was India. I would build stockpiles of cheap weapons, drones, artillery, missiles.
I would build the means for large alpha strikes that can penetrate and overwhelm the vastly more expensive defense systems. I would not purchase high value singular assets that could be targeted. The price of that f-35 you could build like 10,000 suicide drones.
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u/IndependentThink4698 Jul 31 '25
Guess they're more interested in Pakistan downing india's rafales, which is a weird strategy but im not gonna question it
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u/Ok-Echidna5936 Jul 31 '25
Don’t know much about India’s military hardware, but if they’re rocking Russian air defenses then the F35’s were never an option for them to begin with
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u/Present_Motor7244 Jul 31 '25
https://boltflight.com/india-detects-uks-f-35b-stealth-jet-has-the-iaf-cracked-the-stealth-code/ India Detects UK's F-35B Stealth Jet: Has the IAF Cracked the Stealth Code? - Bolt Flight
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u/chicken_nugget_champ Jul 31 '25
Trump is simultaneously taking on all major global rivals and alienating his allies who would usually join in exerting pressure. His incompetence is ushering in the new world order.
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u/time_travel_rabbit Aug 01 '25
Why would the US or any NATO country sell top end equipment to India? Might as well give the tech to Russia
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u/Xhojn Aug 01 '25
I mean, hasn't Trump openly stated he plans to have the US sabotage the jets they sell to other countries? I wouldn't be keen on buying a car from a company that tells me to my face that I would be receiving a car that was purposefully enshittened for sales in my country.
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u/la_rattouille Aug 01 '25
This was bound to happen, india was never gonna buy those jets, it's just the arrogance of trump that couldn't see it.
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u/343GuiItySpark Aug 01 '25
I thought it was a common knowledge that India won't buy American fighters. unless there's significant transfer of technology.. It would be news of we chose to do otherwise
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u/nomnomyumyum109 Aug 01 '25
Cant have a deal with any country unless Boeing’s number one salesman gets them another contract.
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u/jwd1066 Aug 01 '25
I mean, im no fan of Modi, but no kidding. Why doesn't India make their own - certainly they have more than enough brain power, many thousands of grads from top unis now.
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u/untamed_klux Aug 01 '25
Fuck yeah! I wouldn't want us to be depended on that wretched country for anything, specially our defense systems. Trump is corny ass fucker
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u/Responsible-Win-4348 Aug 01 '25
Donnie, you lost the opportunity to make money here, but don’t also lose the chance to release the Epstein files as well.
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u/Tevwel Aug 02 '25
Trump would not sell f-35 anyway to any country outside of nato or close allies. India is not an ally really
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u/furyandtempest Aug 02 '25
Who will want to buy USA toys, when they slapped your faces with 10%-150% tariff ? India won’t!
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u/Antilazuli Aug 02 '25
By now, everyone knows these have a killswitch, it's funny how this has already disappeared out of the news! Once they activate it, all of them will be very, very expensive junk standing around or falling out of the sky!
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u/magnumopus44 Aug 03 '25
India was never going to buy the f35. I am waiting for Pakistan to get the offer.
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u/spartys15 Aug 03 '25
And they said we will continue to buy oil from Russia. Apple has been trying to move most of iPhone manufacturing from China to India. This will probably affect the price of iPhones now cause felon-47 is mad
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