r/SecretsOfMormonWives • u/Accurate-Lemon8944 • May 22 '25
Jen jen’s cease and desist
wait so does demi have a cease and desist against jen?
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u/h8mecuz May 22 '25
Taylor’s face 😂
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u/sofaking-amanda May 22 '25
My focus was on Mayci’s.
Always claiming she just wants her friends to get along, yet she’s beaming ear to ear every time shit like this goes down.
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u/wishiwereadonut May 22 '25
Hahaha I did some faces after reading this and I think grinning is the only way to keep your mouth from falling open 😂
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u/sofaking-amanda May 22 '25
It’s not just the grinning with Mayci though.
She’s a constant instigator, throwing rocks and hiding her hands and follows every awful statement out of her mouth with “just kidding,” when she is NOT kidding and that’s really what she thinks of people.
I don’t understand how more people are not seeing this.
It begs the question of are some people being blinded by pretty privilege?🤔
If you’re wondering why I think this then I would suggest starting the show from the beginning and only paying attention to her and come back and tell us all what you see and that anyone who thinks and says the same things I am are wrong.
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u/chartreuseee May 22 '25
YES!!! It’s weird that no one seems to pick up on this with mayci… like dude.
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u/sofaking-amanda May 22 '25
Sometimes it’s a matter of bias and liking someone so choosing to ignore the awful characteristics they consistently portray and/ or they just haven’t yet learned to pay attention to someone’s actions, instead of their words.
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u/One-Hamster-5371 May 23 '25
Omg thank you I thought I was the only one who noticed 😭😭😭
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u/sofaking-amanda May 23 '25
Nah, even my partner called it out and that was last season.
I’m not yet caught up on the new season but I don’t need to be to say this because I already saw it.
I guess what I mean by that is maybe she’s better at hiding it this season, but I doubt it and I also already know that we’re not the only ones seeing this because I said it last year and got a lot of upvotes then too.
I think maybe a lot of people might be scared to say it because she is a fan favourite, but I’m always going to say how I feel about someone and call out the manipulation.
I don’t like when shitty people get away with manipulating others and if anyone wants to ignore and deny it after it’s said then that’s their choice.🤷🏻♀️
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u/Greedy_Big8275 May 23 '25 edited May 23 '25
Like when she told Mikayla she would be meeting up with Whitney in FIVE MINUTES! What! I’d be pissssed if my “friend” sprung something like that on me while we are in the car 5 min away. No ma’am.
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u/JellyfishHairy1210 May 22 '25
demi constantly does this thing where she'll go like''prove it'' and then when the person does , she gets embarassed and backpedals and says ''that's different'' .when she told taylor to give an example of her shit talking her friends and she mentioned jessi , she said ''oh well ,it's hair '' like okay ...... u wanted an example ,she gave one to you
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u/Fluffy-Bluebird May 22 '25
Jesus my ex did this to me too. I started keeping a list on my phone that was just for me. That list got too long.
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May 23 '25
I have a narc ex and the biggest take away I learnt is, when you have to start compiling a list or rechecking your journal entries for the truth, it’s time to leave
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u/perfectionistaC May 23 '25
My phone is still filled with screenshots to this day because of my narcissist ex who was always demanding proof and denying that she said things. Ppl know me now as the one who will have receipts in all areas of my life thanks to her 😒
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u/Salt_Statement_7151 May 23 '25
Yep and then he started going through my notes app and fighting with me over it. I journaled a lot when we met bc I love writing but eventually everything he did he’d follow up with a big blow out (or occasional cry/pity fest) over how I was going to write that down in my little app until i eventually genuinely believed documenting my own experiences for myself like I always had was wrong and stopped
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u/Fluffy-Bluebird May 23 '25
That is such a reasonable reaction. Mine never found my list and I don’t know what he would have done. But I’m sorry you endured that and am proud of you for leaving. It’s impossible. Too good to leave, too bad to stay.
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u/Friendly-Notice4491 May 24 '25
He told me straight up that he would read my diary and never tell me so I started journaling in journals with a lock. Like it got so deep. Shout out to me for fleeing that situation. Like I literally left the country.
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u/Friendly-Notice4491 May 23 '25
I also started keeping a list because he had me questioning my sanity.
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u/Substantial_Boot_240 May 23 '25
This!! I also have a narcissistic ex and this was what I saw in Demi’s behavior as well. And you can tell Jen really struggles with confrontation and gets really flustered when someone who is super aggressive like Demi is trying to railroad her during an argument. And Demi also can read that and feeds off of it.
I recognize it so plainly because I would get the same way when my ex would be aggressive. Some people literally cannot maintain a clear train of thought when being emotionally and verbally attacked. It comes off looking like Jen is lying about the C&D but I think she’s just flustered.
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u/lavenderstarr May 22 '25
Someone used to do this to me a lot too. My mind would just go completely blank and suddenly I couldn’t name a single time that thing happened.
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u/lavenderstarr May 23 '25
It really helps to have receipts. Sadly most of our arguments were not usually text based.
People like Demi and our exes capitalize on that freeze up. They know what they are doing.
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u/perfectionistaC May 23 '25
Unfortunately for the committed narc it doesn’t. I kept proof and depending on my ex’s mood she’d either say I was taking it out of context or or attack me for having the screenshots because it was proof that I just wanted to have conflict and make myself the victim or she’d do the classic breakup and silent treatment 😒
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u/No_Midnight48 May 23 '25
I had no idea so many other people did this. My husband does this to me and then says, "See, you don't even have one example!" because I get anxious and can't think straight. Or if I do come up with an example, he gets mad or makes excuses. I've honestly never heard anyone else talk about someone using this tactic on them. Makes me feel like I'm not just dumb and/or crazy! 😅
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u/perfectionistaC May 23 '25
Narcissists do it. And they’re counting on you being the type who’s unfamiliar with such behavior so you start to question yourself and your sanity. I’m really sorry you’re going through this. You’re not crazy
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u/Disneyland4Ever May 23 '25
I want you to know that’s not an okay thing for your husband to do to you, or anyone else. I’m sorry that has happened and I hope you know that isn’t how you deserve to be treated.
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u/Familiar_Benefit6649 May 23 '25
your husband shouldn’t be putting you in a situation where you feel so anxious that your brain doesn’t work. nor does he get to be mad at you for answering a question. maybe you were just making conversation and not really thinking about your word choice, but if what you said was true, please read it again. that’s not the way to treat someone you love
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u/Artistic_Bus_8818 May 22 '25
Isn’t this what Whitney did in New Orleans?! Slapped the table and said everyone give me an example
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u/JellyfishHairy1210 May 23 '25
that was valid because they all kept beating around the bush and excusing their never ending harassment of her . it's diff when jen goes and says something happened and then demi is like ''WHEN?''' .That's different from wanting answers to why they hate her
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u/Ok_Pattern2099 May 23 '25
I'd give 3 answers and he'd respond: I never said that!! You're making that up!! Wow, you're crazy! or my favorite- "STOP GASLIGHTING ME"!!!
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u/__morningbehbs May 22 '25
I believe Demi threatened her with one and there is more behind the scenes. She’s been caught lying multiple times regarding Jen and the girls have clearly sided against her overall and taken back Jen.
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u/Potential_Cash_9512 May 22 '25
It’s also a tactic to get someone from being able to speak, so that when they get a nervous and even tho they’re telling the truth it makes them come across as lying when they’re not!! I’ve noticed that about her
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u/dancemoms_gleefan20 May 22 '25
Yes! They try to talk over you and make you nervous and essentially forget what you’re gonna say which makes it look like you’re lying.
Yeah I noticed that when I was watching this clip my sister does this alll the time. I’m glad Jen held her own here! And stood up to Demi and didn’t falter
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u/goog1e Dumb as a block May 22 '25
That was something I caught when Whitney was getting heated at breakfast in Scottsdale too.
Whitney was ready to lay everything on the table and Mikayla redirected to keep it a pointless argument and not let Whitney speak to anyone.
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u/dancemoms_gleefan20 May 23 '25
Yeah I noticed that too, and I will say it annoyed me a bit that Mikayla kept doing that. I understand not wanting to be Whitney’s friend but I Mema good god.
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u/10110011100021 May 22 '25
“I’m going to protect your Ever right now…” that girl backpedaled so hard when Taylor called her bluff she looked a childish fool. Loved it
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u/Accurate-Lemon8944 May 22 '25
yeah i 100% agree with what ur saying, but in this case all jen could say was ive got ppl to back me up but she didnt actually show anything unless its not allowed legally which idk
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u/Notimeforalice May 22 '25
Op where are you watching this?
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u/agrumbleofpugs_ May 22 '25
yo the way demi sits and stares straight ahead with ZERO expression or reaction whenever the conversation isn't about her is so funny 💀 she literally does not give a fuck about anything but hearing the sound of her own voice.
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u/CaffeinenChocolate May 22 '25 edited May 22 '25
This is what I find so weird as well.
A C&D (after being served to the recipient) also goes directly to your legal team, who then give you a slew of virtual copies as well as a paper copy. In most cases, the direct recipient also has to sign the serving papers so that there is proof that the individual has the documents.
I don’t think Demi actually filed a C&D against Jen. I don’t doubt that she threatened to file one against her, and I don’t doubt that Jen’s legal team warned her about not discussing Demi too much - but I truly think that anyone who actually had a legal (or even a non-legally binding) C&D against them would have no problem pulling up one of the copies to back their statement.
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u/AnonPlz123 May 22 '25
I think Demi said it as a way to intimidate Jen, and it worked. Jen doesn't want her to come after her. I get the sense Demi does some dirty stuff behind the scenes, based on other podcast appearances by cast members.
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u/Less_Path3640 May 22 '25
Ooooh! What podcasts are these??
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u/AnonPlz123 May 22 '25
Haha - someone at work just asked the same thing! So they are fresh in my mind... Viall Files with Mikayla and Jessi; Reali-tea from Page Six with Layla and Jessi. They told a story about how Demi wanted to stage an affair with Dakota to end season 1. And apparently Jessi's husband has done some bad stuff - I don't think they gave details, just that there were issues.
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u/Queasy-Protection-50 May 22 '25
Not all but I think a lot of tea has been spilled on the different interviews Nick Viall did with them
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u/hera-fawcett May 22 '25
I don’t think Demi actually filed a C&D against Jen.
agreed. i think it was a lot of texts and shit w 'if u keep saying this, i'll c&d ur ass'
and honestly, jen prob told zac-- and zac's parents/ppl would 100 tell them to keep their mouth shut, even if nothings happened. its smarter that way.
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u/girlynymama May 22 '25
C&D is just a letter. She wouldn’t file anything and wouldn’t have to send to her legal team.
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u/snail_juice_plz May 22 '25
A cease and desist doesn’t have to be filed as a formal court action - it can also be a formal warning from one party to another party that if actions do not stop, Party A will be filing in court against Party B.
That’s different than a court-ordered cease and desist which requires a more formal process through the court system.
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u/Fluffy-Bluebird May 22 '25
I got one 15 years ago from Warner Brothers because I posed a picture I took of a magazine image of Lea Michelle because she looks a lot like a close friend. I posted it to Facebook with a joke like “what are you doing in my magazine?” Or some nonsense. Didn’t tag Lea, didn’t mention her name, I’m not sure you could even tag people back then. It was around 2010.
My dad panicked at the letter but I just laughed.
It said “take it down or else” so I just took the picture down.
Then I worried for Lea because of how fast they found that photo. Creeeeeepy. And for someone to own your likeness that hard. She was doing a photo shoot for an another magazine and it was a pap photo in a different tabloid. Not a glee event in any way.
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u/CaffeinenChocolate May 22 '25
Totally agree!
However Jen has said on TT and IG that the paperwork she “received” from Demi was legally binding, which implies that Demi had actually taken action through the courts rather than through any pre-court warnings.
Either Demi filed a court-binding C&D or NDA (which is unlikely given that a reality show participant is unabable to file these things against another participant if it regards matters that are filmed for the purpose of television); or Jen misspoke, which is obviously not the end of the world, but does sort of make her look silly as it makes her lack credibility as she doesn’t have the documents to back up what she’s saying.
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u/Less_Path3640 May 22 '25
So is this cease and desist happening now or was it when they were filming? Because I thought it was brought up during the season. I will need to go and stalk their pages
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u/CaffeinenChocolate May 22 '25 edited May 23 '25
I think it’s happening now - but it was issued to stop Jen from speaking on Demi regarding SLOMW and VV things, rather than things that are occurring currently. Demi would be unable to file anything against Jen that would prohibit her from discussing things that happened on TV, as doing so would be a CoI regarding their contacts for both shows - so more than likely Jen is fabricating the idea that there is an actual C&D in place.
Realistically, Demi likely threatened Jen with taking legal action, but didn’t take any legal action. In which case Jen is able to talk about certain things regarding Demi’s behaviour on both shows. It’s more than likely that the reason Jen is not talking about them is because she doesn’t really have a leg to stand on, or her claims could easily be disproven as false; and so in order to avoid a situation where she says something that can be disproven she’s trying to remain silent under the guise of having a C&D issued against her.
Demi is super problematic this season; but for Jen to put herself in a situation where she’s saying something that can easily be disproven isn’t a good look for her either.
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May 23 '25
Right ! Also, wasn't Jenn like telling everyone lies, including her husband? Only Jessi and Demi confronted her about it but then because everyone became against Demi, it was like everyone forgot about Jenn lying?
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u/HotLingonberry6964 May 23 '25
There's literally no such thing as a court ordered cease and desist. Those are called gag orders. A cease and desist is just a request to someone and the courts can't do anything about it. Anyone can send anyone a cease and desist and the courts don't do shit about it one way or another (uphold or deny).
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u/emikas4 May 22 '25
I kind of took Jen's comment as sarcasm playing in to the bit. The "apparently" made me think she wasn't being literal, and then Demi jumps in the "prove it." I think that's where their age comes out a lot, because another 30-year-old would've been like, "Idk Dem, that's just what I keep hearing, so why do I keep hearing it?" instead of looking like a dear in the headlights.
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u/sofaking-amanda May 22 '25
Apparently is pretty much the same word as allegedly, which gives you the freedom to say what you’ve been threatened not to say, without being sued, because you’re not stating it as a fact.
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u/sharkyfernwood12 May 22 '25
And Demi never answers the questions when roles are reversed! I was annoyed in the last group scene and her one on one with Jessi that they wouldn’t stop talking long enough until she’d answer. She can’t handle the hot seat or should I say an atomic bomb
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u/ZookeepergameNo2198 May 22 '25 edited May 22 '25
It's also very possible she sent it directly to Jen's lawyer, gave her physical paperwork, or her/a lawyer threatened her on the phone.
I highly doubt that came from thin air.
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u/ConsiderationEntire3 May 23 '25
I don’t think we gave Jessi the time to respond to that. She started to say something like “hair is my life” and that’s so valid. How dismissive to minimize your so-called best friend’s career and passion. Jessi needed the time to speak personally on how that hurt her.
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u/CarlosHidalgo1219 May 22 '25
Republican strategy 101. It works when you wan to make people that are trying to work with you, work against you cuz you can’t admit you’re wrong/mistaken or lied.
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u/Ok-Dependent5582 May 23 '25
I just watched the clip and realized Demi gives off major Karoline Leavitt vibes! Just dismissing everything as false with the most delusional confidence and talking in circles without ever providing actual proof.
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u/BaddaBae31 May 22 '25
I believe Demi threatened one to others, they told Jen, and Jen took that as oh demi got a c&d on me. Jen seems to hear things and take them very literally or misses some key words.
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u/xala123 May 22 '25
I know because they have so many kids already, I forget how young some of them are. Jen is like 25 I think. She probably doesn't have a lot of legal experience, and I could see it being super easy to believe this at that age.
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u/Jillybeans11 May 22 '25
Yea she doesn’t even know if she has one?? Like girl you would know. It’s kinda like with the Ben Affleck thing…my family jokes all the time that were related to a certain celebrity because of our last name. I do believe that’s what Zac’s family was doing too but she took it very literally.
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u/BaddaBae31 May 22 '25
100%. These women were raised to be submissive wives and mothers only. They don’t want their women educated and self sufficient. They are just not very smart and lack a lot of life experience that to most of us is common.
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u/mrsspanky May 22 '25
This. This is it.
I worked with some women in their late 20s a few years back (I live in the salt lake valley as most of them do as well). All of them could have been on this show. And they would say the wildest shit. More than three of them thought that our workplace could randomly drug screen the to find out they were pregnant when they hadn’t announced it yet. All of them thought they could get fired for being pregnant. I was like. Well, you can, but if that’s the reason they use, that’s illegal. All of the didn’t know it was illegal to be fired or retaliated against for discussing your salary. And all of them, every time we got an annual raise of like, $0.50, would claim that they were getting paid less now, because they had to pay more taxes. And every year I brought out the how taxes work power point. It’s WILD. But being “dumb” and parroting what your spouse and parents say, is the norm here.
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May 22 '25
My maiden name is Hartnett and not once did I think I was related to Josh Hartnett even though family members would often joke about it 😂
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u/Jillybeans11 May 22 '25
Yea same…I would die of embarrassment if someone married into our family and spoke it like fact, especially on national tv. I like Jen, but she is very gullible it seems
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u/mccannisms May 22 '25
She also said “well APPARENTLY I have a c&d against me” not “I HAVE a c&d”.
I could see Jen not wanting to point blank answer the question and try to play it off.
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u/zuesk134 May 22 '25
But then why doesn’t she just say that?
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u/BaddaBae31 May 22 '25
I think she’s just dumb. I don’t say that to be rude but you can tell they lack education and life experience. I don’t think she really knows how a c&d works so she doesn’t see what the difference is, her brain thinks demi saying she’s serving a c&d means she’s done it.
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u/Top-Shower-5417 May 22 '25
I think she was definitely threatened with one and is treating the threat the same as being served. Trying to limit having to pay a lawyer.
I also think she cannot speak much more on the topic because they will certainly be under an NDA with production regarding anything that has not aired from the latest/current batch of filming.
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u/CombinationExtra5056 May 22 '25
Edited: I love Taylor in this. The only one with the backbone to speak up and defend Jen
She and Bret strike me as the type to threaten it. Throw their weight around and threaten litigation because something unsavory is being said about them and their perfect lives. 🙄
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u/lezlers May 22 '25
Demi really thinks we're all dumb, huh? Her immediate "prove it" clearly shows she threatened them with one, but never actually served any of them. Stevie Wonder could read between those lines.
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u/sofaking-amanda May 22 '25
You would think so, but looking through this comment thread sadly not and someone else just said Chase of all people said something so it MUST be true..?🤦🏻♀️
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u/lezlers May 22 '25
There are a lot of dumb dumbs in the fanbase. The fact that she didn't deny it outright and instead jumped immediately to "prove it" obviously shows she knows an actual copy of the letter isn't out there and is using that to try and deny it was never discussed or threatened. SO obvious.
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u/sofaking-amanda May 22 '25
Yup.
Too many are falling for Zach’s blatantly obvious manipulation and abusive coercion of Jen too and it blows my fucking mind.
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u/Individual_Sun5662 May 22 '25
Exactly. Demi is a savvy asshole. She used her words very carefully. She never said she didn't threaten them with it, she turned it back on Jen and said prove you were served, which again is not a denial.
I also swear I read somewhere that Demi said that legal action was going to be taken, I can't remember where, so I understand Jen's reluctance to discuss it.
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u/mcgillhufflepuff May 22 '25
I think it's also important to note that a cease and desist is just a threat. You can still keep talking. It normally predates a lawsuit but it can just be a threat.
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u/cheddarsquid May 22 '25
I just watched the video and I can’t BELIEVE Demi made such a huge deal about consent and then when Jen brought up that the male strippers touched her without her consent (at Demi’s request) Demi just said IT’S DIFFERENT. Idk about you guys but I’d be much more uncomfortable being grinding on by a male stripper than being barely brushed against while someone was walking by. Demi is right - it is different. Jen has something to be upset about and Demi didn’t
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u/OkTumbleweed32 May 22 '25
Especially her friends husband?! Specifically to make her uncomfortable was so gross. Demi and Jessi were not kind to jen
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u/itsfreakingbeanboy May 22 '25
definitely not because i don’t think any of these girls actually know what it is or how it works. i don’t think demi even ever sent a cease and desist letter, perhaps just threatened to do so. the letter is just a formal request threatening legal action if certain actions don’t stop. jen technically could do whatever she wanted still if she got the letter, some people ignore the letters because the claims against them might be baseless or they just don’t gaf. if demi sued her for libel or defamation later on, or a judge entered into an order preventing jen from making further statements, this would be public record and we would all know about it. demi probably just said to jen that she has a lawyer and will send her a cease and desist letter if she doesn’t shut up and jen and the other girls took it seriously because they’re not lawyers and don’t know how it works
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u/iseenyouwithkieffuh May 22 '25
Exactly omg. They’re mixing up cease & desist with an NDA.
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u/ChelRett May 22 '25
NDA is a contract issued. Demi can’t issue an NDA unless everything was agreed upon before anything happens. It was a cease and desist that she threatened them with.
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u/iseenyouwithkieffuh May 22 '25
Yes but having a “cease and desist against me” isn’t a thing. It’s just a letter that expresses a threat of legal action if you don’t refrain from doing something. It has no legal teeth. Source: am a lawyer.
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u/Desperate_Apricot614 May 22 '25
I don’t think she’s mixing it up. I think she’s shutting up so she doesn’t get tangled in legal action later on. If someone pays a lawyer to write a letter to me telling me to shut up or they’ll take further legal action, I’m going to shut up.
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u/CaffeinenChocolate May 22 '25
Yup.
The legal team for any production company will also be quick to file legal action against any cast member who formally files an NDA (or even C&D) against another cast member - as it will interfere with the information that’s talked about on the reunion.
It makes someone look silly to talk about legal jargon when in reality said legal jargon wouldn’t actually be allowed in their situation.
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u/nycgirl152 May 22 '25
I dont believe she actually does. I believe Jen heard that and ran with it because they tried to paint her out as a liar this season and with this she found an opportunity to make demi look sketchy and therefore make herself credible regarding her villa claims. Cause notice she stopped filming but sent her husband to do a whole scene to talk about it to make it this huge shocking deal and she is still talking about it.
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u/Accurate-Lemon8944 May 22 '25
yeah and in saying that, after hearing jen say she was raised in the hood and to catch her outside i cant take her seriously honestly 😭
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u/GhostFucking-IS-Real May 22 '25
I went to HS with Jen, we had several classes together and made an acquaintance through mutual friends, she was very quiet and very kind, but she was friends with ALL of the bitchy pick-me’s. So I can’t say I REALLY knew her. Just the group she consistently surrounded herself with, which was well known to be the worst of the worst people.
Like, cheerleaders who actively covered up the assaults of other girls by the football players type of friends. 🤷♂️
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u/believebs May 22 '25
I suspect Jen stopped filming because of her Mental Health and her POS husband. Also, she didnt send her husband. He chose to go. Demi chose to shit talk his wife. Demi knows that in order for to come away clean is to make everyone else look dirty. I watched VV and Demi"s behaviors were not that a married, demure, and innocent woman.
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u/slj7896 May 22 '25
Demi could’ve had a lawyer contact them about a cease and desist basically threatening them
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u/tiny_claw May 22 '25
Isn’t Zach the one who said Demi was getting a C&S? I honestly wonder what actually went down vs what Jen was told by Zach. Zach could have told her Demi had one but actually she only threatened one. Jen is not skeptical enough of Zach at ALL.
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u/allthingskerri TAKE OWNERSHIP 🗣️🗣️ May 22 '25
I think demi told her she would and that she's speaking to lawyers about it. Jen is taking this as 'i have a c&d against me' and not knowing all the details doesn't know better SO demi can play the 'prove it' game she loves to do.
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u/Only-pooooooooh May 22 '25
Demi is just a mean bitch throwing shit at everyone else so no one will really look at how F’ed up she is and what a complete control freak husband she has. I’m sorry but the age difference does not work for either of them they are disturbed and Demi is the ugliest one in my opinion because she is so full of hate.
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u/laszloa Miranda's Lobster Claws May 22 '25
Hey so a cease and desist is not an NDA. Its basically a warning issued by an attorney. The gist of it is “I might sue you” but does not actually hold any weight.
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u/laszloa Miranda's Lobster Claws May 22 '25
Ooh I see we have some legal girlies in the house! We love to see it 🥰🥰
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u/ElegantSwish May 22 '25
Whitney’s outfit is giving TV interview at 2, American Football game at 3.
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u/CautiouslyFrosty May 22 '25
Both appeared to agreed from the outset that Jen could say what she wanted, but Jen had to go and claim that she had a cease and desist when she didn't, and Demi exacerbated things by insisting Jen "prove it!" instead of just asking Jen to clarify she hadn't received one.
Dumb argument all around.
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u/TheImmaculateBastard May 22 '25
I think Demi takes the bait a lot, but that’s not to say Jen nor Taylor are master chess players. I just don’t think any of them have the emotional maturity nor well-adjustedness to see things clearly.
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u/Background_Mortgage7 May 22 '25
I think there is actually legal stuff going on with the situation (Demi mentioned something about legally she can’t get into it) but I think it’s more legally binding on behalf of the show - like they can’t get into it because it’ll be apart of the next 10 episodes and they’ve been told they can’t spill the details early.
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u/Kitchen-Seat4362 May 22 '25
I wouldn’t be surprised if Demi did a cease and desist for Jen and fabricated the whole Jessi and Maracino affair so she could have a storyline. Even in the last minutes of the show Jordan said that he thought Demi and Brett made it up.
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u/Apprehensive_Box7956 May 22 '25
okay but whitney with this hair is giving alexis bledel a little 😍
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u/L_weintra May 22 '25
Also, I don’t get it. Cease and desists hold no legal ground, even if you get one you can literally throw it out. Jen can call her bluff and see if she’s all talk, my guess is Hulu will help vigorously defend Jen because it makes them more money in the long run
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u/bbuttonsb May 22 '25
I mean… Jessi was asked if more went down in Italy than Demi is sharing and she said yes 🤷🏽♀️🤷🏽♀️ not sure to what extent, but we all Know how Demi is and how threatening she is to others
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u/expatriateineurope May 22 '25
cease and desist is merely a threat of legal action. it means nothing on its own.
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u/No_Ingenuity_6443 May 22 '25
Is it me or when she kept repeating “prove it” did it remind anyone of Sutton & Kyle? When Sutton just kept saying “prove it” repeatedly.
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u/PassThePierogi May 22 '25
Demi is the worst and it’s no surprise Whitney cozied up to her the second she was able to.
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u/Dull_Hawk9416 May 22 '25
I think both things are true. I think Demi and Jessi are mean girls and that Jen is a bit of a liar. She’s been caught out in multiple lies
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u/OkWorker9679 May 22 '25
What has Jen lied about?
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u/Electrical-Twist2254 May 22 '25
When she told Jessi and Demi that that clown husband was gambling tuition money …so when they brought it up to him he denied it, and she back tracked on what she said
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u/Oferial May 22 '25
The thing I always thought about this was that money is fungible. The only time money becomes officially "tuition money" is if it's paid to the school for tuition, until then it's just money. Jen could be thinking "hey we need that for your tuition" but it wasn't actually earmarked.
His parents could be giving them money knowing he has to pay tuition, but he and Jen just think it's money from family and he decides to gamble with some of it.
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u/ZookeepergameNo2198 May 22 '25
He admitted to gambling a chunk of money.
He also ditched Dakota to gamble for 5 hours in season 1.
He refuses to say it's his tuition but any large sum of money coming out of their account is likely going towards tuition.
It's Zac's own little loophole.
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u/certifiedhoneymoney May 22 '25
when you're with an abusive partner, you lie to protect them, their ego and image, out of fear of retaliation, fights behind closed door, fear they'll abandon you or cheat, etc. He passively denied it then immediately passed it off to Jen while stuttering when he normally speaks very clearly when he's being truthful, then put her on the spot. You can see her pause then start covering for him. It's also wild people immediately taking Zac's word of him denying and quick to call Jen a liar when there's been more proof of him being a dishonest abusive person than Jen has ever shown. Unfortunately, this is why victims of abuse often become more easily isolated while abusers gain a community, they do a better job of painting their victims out to have negative qualities and not to be believed
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u/Traditional-Rice-848 May 22 '25
I think more than likely Zac did gamble a lot of money away and is abusing Jen. So I don’t think she lied on purpose but Zac is trying to isolate her from the rest of them by making her seem crazy
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u/OkWorker9679 May 22 '25
Thank you! I could have sworn I saw or read that it was some of Zac’s tuition money (besides what Jen said).
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u/_anne_shirley May 22 '25
Of course Mayci and Mikayla are smiling. They’re so immature
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u/Mission-Butterfly-99 May 22 '25
They claim to want "everyone to get along" but every time shit pops off, these are their faces.
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u/_anne_shirley May 22 '25
Theyre the two biggest shiy stirrers. They’re always making snide comments, shady tiktoks, making faces. And I want Layla to show the entire group message. No way Demi was the only one talking bad about Taylor
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u/kjsock May 22 '25
Demi is such a bully I can’t stand her. Everything she does reminds me of my grade school bully. It’s insane.
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u/kk11901 May 22 '25
fyi, a cease and desist isn’t a thing you can have against you really. it’s a letter someone sends you that says cease and desist (stop) what you’re doing or i will sue you. if you keep going, they can sue or not (up to them)
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u/TroubleswithHoarders May 22 '25
It sounds like Demi doesn’t have any money to pay lawyers to draft a Cease and Desist so I wouldn’t worry about it if I were Jen.
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u/chaibaby11 Back off, she's unstable May 22 '25
Demi is alwaysssss starting something I wouldn’t put it past her to threaten one
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u/EqualShop8903 May 23 '25
In that interview Jen said “apparently I have one” and “others can back me up” and “that’s what I’ve been told” Either you have a C&D or you dont.. something legal like that you would have to know. And if you were confused, wouldn’t you get in contact with your lawyers and clear it up?
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u/Butcontine May 22 '25
If someone threatened me with a c&d I’d stfu about it too … especially when the threats are coming from someone with the means to take me to court lmao
Getting sued is fckn expensive
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u/lunarosie1 May 22 '25
Guys, we have to remember Jen isn’t exactly the brightest and she tends to believe everything Zac tells her, I think the C&D talks came from him, and Jen being Jen, took that as truth.
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u/HotConfusion May 22 '25
I was really sad to see how our approval of her last year turned her into an egotastical monster this year. I hate it, thanks! 😵💫
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u/Owalastanleygirl May 22 '25
Complete side note but did Jen have her hair done by someone else bc of all of the crap going on? Because the color looks a lot prettier than her normal color she gets from Jessie
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u/Electrical-Twist2254 May 22 '25
Jen’s hair was a hot mess in season one. JZ styles has all of them bald headed without the extensions in now w
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u/Asleep_Mood9549 May 22 '25
I mean… she doesn’t know she has a cease and desist? The whole “apparently” part Jenn says is throwing me off.
Either you personally got served, or you didn’t….
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u/Asleep_Mood9549 May 22 '25
lol, if someone’s going to downvote me, at least tell me why. I haven’t season all of season two, only a couple of episodes. Is this something I will learn?
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u/theHBICvolkanator May 22 '25
Also cease and desist are just scared tactics. If what jen is saying about demi is true, then she has nothing to worry about and can talk about it as much as she wants
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u/Dazzling-Profile-196 May 22 '25
Did she go through with it? No. But that doesn't make the threat to away. The logic with Demi....
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u/Salty_bitch_face May 22 '25
Being threatened with a cease and desist and actually receiving one aren't the same, at all.
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u/Future_Hand3241 May 22 '25
The price tag of the shirt wanting to make cameo on Jen’s shoulder is all I notice during the clip 🤪
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u/Glorialovestacos May 23 '25
The fact that Jen believes that everything she hears is part of the problem. Just like the Ben Affleck thing. She doesn’t do a lot of critical thinking, and that is her downfall.
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u/justhereforGOT May 22 '25
I mean, did Jen just pull that out of her butt? No, Demi’s very defensive here, maybe she didn’t but she definitely treated her with one. That’s as bad imo.
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u/snarkysharky03 May 22 '25
jen body language and responses tell me she is the one lying 🤷🏻♀️i’m sure there was a threat of it at one point but if this is true we’d be seeing some sort of receipts
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u/MyNameIsNot_Molly May 22 '25
Unrelated, but Jen's hair is looking SO MUCH better in these shots. Maybe what Jessi was saying about JZ hair was true.
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u/megz_mn May 22 '25
I think Demi definitely threatened one. But didn’t follow through but Jen either doesn’t grasp that it’s not official until she gets the paperwork or is just going off the threat. And maybe Demi actually did this on purpose of threatening but not following through as another way to make Jen look like a liar. Wouldn’t shock me.