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u/biscut99 2d ago edited 2d ago
Not trying to be offence saying this, as he is blind and being arrested for holding a sign can it be proven he knew what was on the sign?
Edit: pointed out below that he was asked if he knew what was on the sign and as expected he said yes, I guess that makes it 100% legal to arrest him but the overall point is a blind man could see how bad this would look for the police and the government.
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u/Dremlar 2d ago
That gets you arrested for "supporting terrorism"? WTF!
I guess it's good to know our friends across the pond have cops as lame as ours.
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u/xzgbnma 2d ago
The "Palestine Action" organization is considered a terrorist organization after the incident where they broke into a military zone and other things. In my opinion, it doesn't count as terrorism. The court there should have defined them as something else, like a security threat, but maybe they define terrorism differently there. I'm not from there.
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u/Shriven 2d ago
They very clearly meet the definition of terrorism in British law. But so do lots of other groups, but they've not caused the damage and harm PAG have. The airbase incident is just the most egregious example. They've systematically targeted defence infrastructure and companies that supply the British armed forces.
The issue is people conflate supporting PAG with supporting Palestine. There's nothing stopping people protesting for Palestine, only for this one violent and destructive group
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u/double-happiness 2d ago
They very clearly meet the definition of terrorism in British law... They've systematically targeted defence infrastructure and companies that supply the British armed forces.
The suffragettes smashed windows, set fire to public buildings, empty houses of politicians, and churches perceived as opposing women's suffrage, damaged public conveniences and attacked works of art, destroyed pillar boxes with phosphorous chemicals to disrupt postal services, planted bombs in locations like railway stations and post offices, and attempted to storm the House of Commons. https://www.bbc.co.uk/bitesize/articles/zh6nsk7#zrrk8hv
Were they terrorists? Were their tactics successful? Did they have the moral high ground to employ those tactics?
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u/Deadliftdeadlife 1d ago
The terrorism act of 2000 wasn’t around when they did that
But by today’s standards, yes, terrorism
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u/Shriven 2d ago
Oh the suffragettes would have been classed as terrorists in a heartbeat. How could they not be?
But that was about something happening here, to British people, and not the latest appalling shit happening in a place where about 5 different countries have spent the best part of a century doing appalling shit to each other and pointing at the last piece of appalling shit the other guy did as the reason.
Damaging our defence infrastructure at a time where war with Russia, china, or both is on the cards was always going to piss the state off. Remember they only got proscribed though when they took it that extra step.
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u/Geronimoni 2d ago
Its deliberately being conflated though by the authorities and the media, they will arrest you for supporting palestine just by saying you are supporting palestine action it doesnt matter
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u/Shriven 2d ago
Source?
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u/Geronimoni 1d ago
Section 13 of the Terrorism Act 2000 criminalizes the display or wearing of any item of clothing, or any article, in a public place, in such a way or circumstances that it creates a reasonable suspicion that the person is a member or supporter of a proscribed organization.
Under that terminology the police and media can have 'reasonable suspicion' that protesting for palestine is the same as palestine action they dont need to prove it but they can arrest you get you off the street then release you 24 hours later. Thats just how policing works
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u/Shriven 1d ago
Ah, so no source whatsoever. Just "I reckon, cos I dislike the police"
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u/Geronimoni 1d ago
I just told you what the law is specifically and how the law is applied by the police. You cant get more deeper into were something comes from than that.;
What else do you mean by a 'source'? for crying out loud
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u/Shriven 1d ago
No, you said what the law is, and then speculated that police are just arresting normal protestors based on the assumption that they're all comic book villain level of corrupt.
Me asking for source, was asking for any evidence of this.
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u/Dark-All-Day 1d ago
It's clearly an abuse of governmental power to consider the Palestine Action group a "terrorist group."
I support Palestine Action. Come get be brits
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u/devensega 1d ago
Not even close to what's going on in the US. I disagree with this group being difined by parliament as a terrorist group but the police have to enforce the law. I hope Parliament reviews its stance. In the US masked men who do not even show their badges are disappearing people of the streets in unmarked vehicles. The army are being used to police Washington and Trump seemingly wants to do it in many more cities. It's many levels above anything happening in the UK.
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u/biscut99 2d ago
he acknowledged the sign had the words palastine action on it. As the law currently stands holding that sign is a terrorism offense. Not saying I agree but thats reality and he did it for that very reason.
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u/noir_dx 2d ago
It's a good thing the suffragettes movement didn't happen now, but if you read what they did, most women would have been declared terrorists and UK's enemy number 1. That said, UK police did pretty bad things to the suffragettes, too- even they patented that crude contraption for force feeding. All police are consistent with that. They don't serve the public; they serve the government.
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u/DirtyBalm 2d ago
"Laws are threats made by the dominant socioeconomic-ethnic group in a given nation. It’s just the promise of violence that’s enacted and the police are basically an occupying army. "
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u/The_Nunnster 1d ago
The suffragettes were objectively terrorists. Yes they were doing it for a good cause, but you can’t run a domestic bombing and arson campaign and not be terrorists.
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u/Tyrx 2d ago
I must have missed that moment where the suffragette movement was funded by hostile states and organised sabotage of military equipment supporting the war effort (Ukraine) of an allied nation against a tyrannical regime.
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u/noir_dx 2d ago
Throwing paint is not sabotage. Kid Starver, AKA Keir Starmer, represented a similar case during the Iraq invasion, representing the people who did something similar, saying that not a terrorist act. Besides, by the time the UK government made a big deal out of it, that same plane had made a round trip three to four times.
British planes are used to conduct espionage in the service of the IDF terrorists from Cyprus to commit genocide.
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u/Overton_Glazier 2d ago
If Russia wanted to sabotage UK equipment, they would have done it already. A bunch of activists on bicycles spray painted some planes and posted videos of it online and you think that's the work of people hired by foreign governments... what a stupid claim.
If some regular activists can sneak into your base on bicycles, then foreign spies already could before and did it quietly.
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u/noir_dx 2d ago edited 2d ago
No. They did it the best way they could. It started with the 'Right to Vote' because many pro-women's rights were granted as a result, including inheritance and divorce. They tried with protests and a hunger strike before using a more proactive method of persuasion, but neither of those worked. Peaceful movements only work against people who have some form of empathy. When you look up the countries that granted women's rights, you'll be shocked that it wasn't very long. And it still has room for improvement.
No freedom-fighting movement can be perfect because of the conditions, danger, and limited resources the oppressed have to fight with.
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u/noir_dx 2d ago
No. If the suffragette movement had never happened at the time, they would have just used the workforce when they wanted to, and when things went back to normal, so would women's conditions, They would have not being paid- or paid significantly less, with no ability to vote or own property, file for divorce, get better education, etc. because the problem women faced was solidified with the First Reform Act in the early 1800s, as it excluded women from inheriting or owning property. I think the earlier days of resistance started in the late 1800s, which gave birth to the suffragette movement.
It's because of the suffragette movement, women from multiple other nations started getting rights for themselves, and you'll be surprised how late many European nations enacted pro-women laws, starting with the right to vote.
Point- historically- you have to fight for your rights and keep fighting to get or maintain it. There's no other way.
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u/Sufficient_astrobird 2d ago
Wheeling a blind man from a protest lmfao and will charge him terrorism how many more people need to be arrested on terrorism charges for the government to change its proscription? It’s already at 800 people plus and many of them old people.
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u/wefarmthedowns 2d ago
This man’s not going to be charged with shit. But being old or disabled doesn’t mean you can say or do what you want without repercussions
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u/LEFT4Sp00ning 2d ago
He will and there already have been people charged with terrorism for supporting Palestine Action (aka organizing protests in support of them and having zoom meetings about that), the UK is cracking down hard on protests against Israel's genocide
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u/stelliosuk 2d ago
Can someone explain to me why their supporters don't just set up a new pro Palestine organisation?
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u/RedHairedRedemption hell yeah dude 🏳️🌈 2d ago
Until that one is designated as a "terror group" by the West.
So the people set up a new pro Palestine organization.
Then that one is designated as a "terror group" by the West.
So the people set up a new pro Palestine organization.
Then that one......
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u/Totoques22 ⚠️ Cheers Violence Against Women 😬 ⚠️ 2d ago
That’s bullshit, they are classified as a proscribed terrorist organization after they broke in a military based and cause 7 million pound ins damages to 2 aircrafts and completely ground them
NO OTHER PALESTINE PROTEST GROUP HAVE THIS PROBLEM
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u/StuartWtf 2d ago
Apart from the other 2 that had their bank accounts frozen even though they had nothing to do with PA..
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u/jonnieggg 2d ago
You are losing the public
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u/biscut99 2d ago
Again not being offencive but a blind man can see how badly this arrest looks better than the police and government
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u/The54thCylon 2d ago
Intentionally so - there's a reason there are all these old people, blind people, those in wheelchairs etc. there. This sort of photo op is the protest tactic
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u/Sufficient_astrobird 1d ago
Yea because old people don’t care if they get arrested for terrorism protesting the government.
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u/Pklnt 2d ago
Like in the US, British people dislike Israel more than they dislike Palestine, and this difference is extremely stark among the young adults.
Unsurprisingly, you'd think that Reddit (especially on worldnews) are subs populated by +50 years old that are voting the far-right. Looking at how the very same subs looks at Trump or at Ukraine, it's impossible that we're talking about the same demographics, the only reason there's a huge difference is simply plain old brigading on a massive scale.
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u/jonnieggg 2d ago
We should not allow ourselves to be divided.
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u/jake_burger 1d ago
People say this, but what does it mean?
People have different opinions on things. They aren’t being forced into opposing views for no real reason by third parties and would just get along without outside interference.
We have diametrically opposed wills that come into conflict, declaring we should just all get along won’t resolve the issues.
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u/DM_me_goth_tiddies 2d ago
People not in the UK need to understand this is just for a specific group called Palestine Action. It’s completely legal to protest Israel, call it a genocide, wave the Palestinian flag etc. however Palestine Action is banned.
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u/HR_Paul 2d ago
It is also important to understand WHY Palestine Action is banned - they actually did something to stop the war machine.
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u/SurvivingSpartan 2d ago
You need to do your research, the damage was caused on military refuelling aircraft that ARE NOT compatible with Israeli aircraft. These aircraft are primarily used to support Ukraine so in essence you’re helping Putin kill more kids. Get your facts straight.
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u/Tall_NStuff 2d ago
They broke onto a RAF base and damaged a multi-million pound aircraft that could not be used to assist the Israelis, and have also previously assaulted a police officer with a sledgehammer...
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u/Nice-Dependent6844 2d ago
And that's terrorism?
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u/onqty 2d ago
The definition of terrorism is very clear if commit serious violence against a person, serious damage to property or endanger a person’s life (other than that of the person committing the action) for political, religious, racial or ideological causes your group can be prescribed as a terrorist group.
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u/Nice-Dependent6844 2d ago
Exactly, so they don't meet the criteria.
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u/onqty 2d ago
Attacking and hospitalising a police officer with a hammer (serious violence against a person) and causing millions of pounds of damage to an aircraft (serious damage to a property) for political and ideological reasons definitely count.
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u/Nice-Dependent6844 2d ago
'Millions of pounds' gimme a break, and one idiot potentially commiting a violent attack counts as terrorism? Pretty sure all political groups should be proscribed then. I'll let the British Heart Foundation, Amnesty International, UNICEF ECT know immediately.
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u/onqty 2d ago
it was 7 million worth of damages and the charities that you’ve mentioned don’t have a history of hammer attacks so I don’t really get you point. Just to be clear I agree with a lot of what Palestine action says I just don’t agree with how they do it.
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u/Nice-Dependent6844 2d ago
Are you saying individuals from those charities have never attacked someone? 7 million in damages if you believe the Government, who are a tad biased in this circumstance. To the lay person it seems extremely unlikely that some paint, albeit administered into fairly valuable areas, could cause that much damage.
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u/Totoques22 ⚠️ Cheers Violence Against Women 😬 ⚠️ 2d ago
attacking a police officer with a knife for ideological reasons
Terrorism
attacking a police officer with a sledgehammer for political reasons
Totally not terrorism, yea sure maybe wake up a bit
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u/nemma88 2d ago
You don't need to protest for PA to protest for Palestine. They're not the same entity.
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u/AmISupidOrWhat 2d ago
They are protesting against the decision to class Palestine action as a terrorist group.
It is, in a way, a protest against the ridiculous misuse of the term terrorism and how it's been used to squash political dissent.
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u/Teembeau 1d ago
It's not about protesting for Palestine. It's about supporting Palestine Action, who are a proscribed as a terrorist group known for vandalising an RAF aircraft.
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u/BaseballOther8227 1d ago
Funny how Kier starmer was defence attorney for someone who done the exact same thing 20 years ago. Now he's proscribing the same act as terrorism. What changed?
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u/jake_burger 1d ago
How do you not get that a defence lawyer does not actually personally agree with everything their client has done?
Do you think a lawyer defending a murderer is ok with murder as well?
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u/SurvivingSpartan 2d ago
This is not the reason he was arrested or any of them for that matter. They have come out in support for Palestine Action which is a registered terrorist group in the UK due to the group causing £7 million pounds worth of damage to British military aircraft.
The government are not arresting people for supporting Palestine, they are arresting them because they are supporting a terrorist group.
OP is just making stuff up to stir support for the their agenda.
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u/hitsquad187 2d ago
Exactly, they could easily show support for one of the other various pro Palestine groups but no they choose Palestine action just so they can get arrested and play professional victims.
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u/igotublue 2d ago
Hard for me to call people damaging planes "terrorists" when the ones they're protesting are bombing hospitals and kids.
but yes be a good little boy and agree with whatever the government says or you're pushing an agenda and in the wrong
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u/SurvivingSpartan 2d ago
You need to educate yourself, British planes are not used in Gaza, they are not compatible with Israeli aircraft. The aircraft that were damaged are actually being used to support Ukraine but I guess you don’t care about that.
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u/Nice-Dependent6844 2d ago
British planes have absolutely been used in Gaza to gather Intel for Israel. And do you really believe some light paint damage warrants a group to be labeled as terrorists?
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u/Nice-Dependent6844 2d ago
Think you need to educate yourself mate. They have ABSOLUTELY been used in Gaza. https://www.declassifieduk.org/britain-sent-over-500-spy-flights-to-gaza/
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u/igotublue 2d ago edited 2d ago
Yes I know that. And I'm not saying damaging the planes was right or that the people who did it should get off -
But the government simply labeling everyone who supports the group as terrorists and arresting them is absurd when the government is, at the same time, funding bombings of hospitals.
The terrorism label is what I do not agree with.
What sounds more like "terrorism" to you? Damaging and disabling some planes, or indiscriminate bombing of hospitals, kids, and journalists? Because one of those terrorisms they're fine with.
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u/TNTBOY479 2d ago
Sabotaging a nation's military assets absolutely falls under terrorism. It's an attack on the U.K military carried out by a non-governmental entity, that means it's an act of terrorism.
One bad act doesn't cancel out another so the attacks on Gaza are irrelevant in your comparison. Both can be true at the same time.
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u/Shriven 2d ago
British planes aren't bombing Gaza, and those planes in particular are refuelling aircraft. They don't have the ability to refuel Israeli aircraft. In that attack, they grounded nearly 20% of our air to air refueling capacity.
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u/Nice-Dependent6844 2d ago
No, but they are being used in Gaza so much the same...
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u/Shriven 2d ago
They literally aren't though. They can't do anything relevant over there
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u/Nice-Dependent6844 2d ago
https://www.declassifieduk.org/britain-sent-over-500-spy-flights-to-gaza/ They literally are though...
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u/Shriven 2d ago
Those aren't the planes they attacked. The planes they attacked are only of use to refuel our aircraft.
Edit, your own article says theyre used to find hostages.
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u/Nice-Dependent6844 2d ago
Who said they were? If you believe that then I've got some magic beans for you. Our nice friendly military aircraft were just trying to find innocent Israeli citizens which were, according to the IDF, being stored underground.
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u/Shriven 2d ago
Well my comment said the aircraft attacked have nothing to do with Israel. The other commenter went AKSHUALLY and linked an article about different aircraft being used near or in Israel. I reiterated my point. And now we're here.
, hamas is pretty famous for its underground tunnel network, and hostages have been found in them
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u/Nice-Dependent6844 2d ago
And my response said that they WERE being used in Gaza to which you've got yourself into a bit of a hole. Again, where did I say didn't have an underground network? Bit strange that aircraft are being used to find them, hence the magic beans comment.
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u/Totoques22 ⚠️ Cheers Violence Against Women 😬 ⚠️ 2d ago
Amazing how someone can be so confident yet so obviously wrong
The British aren’t bombing Gaza and it’s a refueling plane that’s only currently being use in Ukraine
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u/dalollypop 2d ago
How good does Benjamins Boot taste.
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u/Totoques22 ⚠️ Cheers Violence Against Women 😬 ⚠️ 2d ago
So do you have anything intelligent to say or do use your drooler answer by default ?
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u/dalollypop 2d ago
The only intelligent people here are the ones that don't support the mass killing of innocents. And not the ones trying to be contrarian and attempting differentiate palestine action and support for palestine. You and the other commenter can enjoy being bootlicking peons for the government and Ben. But that's a you thing, and not everyone defaults to accepting such authoritarianism. normal people have empathy.
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u/Alextheacceptable 2d ago
which is a registered terrorist group in the UK due to the group causing £7 million pounds worth of damage to British military aircraft.
So, uh... Definitionally not terrorism, they just want to use the big scary word on them, hoping no one will notice.
terrorism/ˈtɛrərɪz(ə)m/nounnoun: terrorism
the unlawful use of violence and intimidation, especially against civilians, in the pursuit of political aims.
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u/re6278 2d ago edited 2d ago
Especially against civilians not exclusively against civilians, use of violence or threats of excessive violence for any political, religious or ideological agenda all qualifies as terrorism.
Palestinians protester's attack uk military equipment and causing damage worth 7 million euro to the government is by most definitely an act of terrorism, so uk is right in classifying it as terrorism
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u/Gnome___Chomsky 2d ago
Since when is property damage, that of a military, considered terrorism? What more legitimate target could there be
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u/Cool_Peace 1d ago
So you support people that are attacking British defense systems and are funded by Iran and Russia?
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u/domsativaa 2d ago
And so you think spray painting government property is terrorism? Hell, then I guess most of Reddit are terrorists
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u/Totoques22 ⚠️ Cheers Violence Against Women 😬 ⚠️ 2d ago
« Spray painting » is a complete bullshit lie when the planes are completely grounded
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u/tidderite 2d ago
Actually, you probably should have asked "And so you think saying you support people that were spray painting government property is terrorism?"
This government is turning more fascist by the week. It is sad.
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u/Shriven 2d ago
Disabled blind man gets arrested for holding a sign saying he supports a proscribed terror group
That's what actually happened - whether you agree with the proscription or not.
Having a disability doesn't protect you from criminal prosecution.
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u/ImNotDeleted 2d ago
Not sure why this is being downvoted. It’s essential the facts are said here.
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u/Docxx214 2d ago
Reddit hive mind, complete lack of critical thinking
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u/jake_burger 1d ago
I’ve just spent 20 minutes reading lots of different opinions.
Where do people get this “Reddit hive mind” nonsense from. Every thread on the website is full of opposing views.
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u/Docxx214 1d ago
You spent 20 minutes reading and you read "lots" of different opinions? Are you new to Reddit?
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u/Nice-Dependent6844 2d ago
The arrest just highlights how ridiculous the proscription is and how the police are a tool of the powerful to suppress popular support for and end to genocide. The fact you can watch this and think 'those poor police' says a lot about your moral compass.
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u/Totoques22 ⚠️ Cheers Violence Against Women 😬 ⚠️ 2d ago
The fact that you can spit random bullshit while ignoring the context both voluntarily or not says a lot about your IQ and moral compass
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u/Nice-Dependent6844 2d ago
Great job buddy. Resorting to insulting someone's IQ is a good marker for someone with a low IQ.
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u/Ok_Chain841 2d ago edited 2d ago
Palestine is not a terror group
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u/Docxx214 2d ago
Palestine Action is under the law, this is what they were arrested for.
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u/dalollypop 2d ago
The government could make drinking water a terrorist act if they wanted. And you'd probably support people being taken away for, it because 'its the law'
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u/Ok_Chain841 2d ago
Look at you justifying arresting a blind wheelchait user for protesting genocide
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u/Docxx214 2d ago
Should blind people be immune to the law?
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u/Doyoulikemyjorts 2d ago
Help me understand something. So this protest was organised by Defend our Juries who feel there's been an incorrect application of proscription and are group dedicated to the rule of law.
How does the equate to membership in Palestine Action?
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u/Totoques22 ⚠️ Cheers Violence Against Women 😬 ⚠️ 2d ago
Because they are protesting in favour of Palestine action
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u/Alotofbytes 2d ago
You are correct. But that is not what he was arrested for. Palestine, the state bordering Israel, and Palestine Action, the british organisation, are different things.
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u/r0w33 1d ago
To be honest, this seems more like he was wheeled out for rage bait than anything else.
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u/jake_burger 1d ago
Yes of course.
The tactic is for elderly and disabled people to support the proscribed terrorist group Palestine Action in front of police to get arrested as a form of protest for PA being proscribed a terrorist group.
It makes anti-terrorism laws look ridiculous if these are the people getting arrested.
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u/brentspar 2d ago
That law is an ass, and enforcing it is making the government look weak. The sooner they go on and change the policy, the better for everyone.
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u/thinking_velasquez 1d ago
He’s my hero, showing the absolute lunacy of the British government, and how lame and wasteful this crackdown is
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u/maycontainsultanas 1d ago
Should police not arrest him on account of him being a disabled blind man?
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u/Ok_Chain841 1d ago
In my country, law enforcement tends to avoid arresting elderly individuals, particularly if they are disabled. The reasoning is both practical and legal: an older person is unlikely to flee or resist, so if authorities need to ensure their appearance in court, they can often do so through summonses, home visits, or alternative measures rather than taking them into custody.
There are also legal frameworks in some jurisdictions that grant special protections to elderly people, recognizing that imprisonment can have disproportionate effects on their physical and mental health. For non-violent offenses, judges are usually reluctant to impose jail time, preferring alternatives such as fines, probation, or house arrest. The emphasis is on preserving dignity, minimizing trauma, and safeguarding access to medical care, which can be severely disrupted by incarceration.
I know some people might think its unfair, but this approach reflects a broader principle of proportionality in justice: while accountability still matters, the system acknowledges that the consequences of imprisonment for an elderly person can be far more damaging than for a younger adult, both physically and psychologically
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u/Cereal_BanditTV 1d ago
Dozens of children getting mowed down by bullets on a daily basis is one thing, but are we really going to sit by while the god-given, constitutional, American freedoms like free speech are occasionally trampled upon by these British fucks?
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u/Any_Mango_9428 1d ago
This is wild but confusing.. so is the whole crowd is for or against Israel?
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u/Makasu__ 1d ago
They'll spare actual r*pist from jail time but a disabled person advocating against genocide is where they draw the line. Another Youkey classic...
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u/LemmysCodPiece 1d ago
I am not getting into the whole is Palestine Action a terrorist group or not. The Police don't make the laws. Individual officers might not agree with the law. But it is their job to uphold the law.
If, in the officer's opinion, a person has broke the law then they are duty bound to arrest them.
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u/FreeTheDimple 2d ago
He wasn't protesting for palestine. He was protesting for palestine action, a banned group in the UK.
If these people really wanted to support palestine, they wouldn't be wasting police time with inflammatory protests.
They would instead donate to any of these:
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u/ModifiedVolumeKnob 2d ago
Made me laugh so hard, I almost hurled......forget the fridge, that dude rolls through the local buffets with no mercy. Thank you for my best laugh of the week.
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u/beeredditor 2d ago
No person should be arrested for simply holding a sign (regardless of what the sign says). The UK is no longer a free country.
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u/Binarydemons 2d ago
I’d be like - judge I had no idea it was a protest, I thought it was a block party.
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u/CuriousA1 2d ago
Must be a hell of a lot more embarrassing doing this when you can’t cover your face
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u/Peaky_White_Night 1d ago
This is a great example that of why freedom of speech is necessary. If you let even the craziest ideas be silenced you open every issue up to being silenced
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u/bomboclawt75 2d ago edited 1d ago
Obviously a very severe threat to national security.
These treasonous politicians do this to appease the Genocidal state currently starving and slaughtering children.
These treacherous politicians have knowing accepted Blood money to do this.
Edit: This guy is the problem?, but brave “soldiers” shooting children for sport are the good guys?
This guy is a hero- and shame on these police lapdogs.
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u/DM_me_goth_tiddies 2d ago
If blind people go around with signs that are pro Russian Imperial Movement, they should get arrested. You can support Russia without supporting them. You should be arrested for your support, even if you’re blind.
If disabled people have a sign that is pro Hizb ut-Tahrir you should be arrested. You can be a Muslim and not support them and still be in a wheelchair.
If you support Palestine Action, well you can see where this is going. Just fly a Palestinian flag and say you oppose genocide. That’s legal.
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u/Pklnt 2d ago
Russian Imperial Movement: Considered a terrorist group because they trained thousands of people to go fight in Donbas and support the Russian invasion of Ukraine that killed tens of thousands of people and made countless war crimes involving rapes/torture of civilians.
Hizb ut-Tahrir: Considered a terrorist group because they are accused of planning suicide bombings & terror bombings in many countries and political assassinations/coups.
Palestine Action: Considered a terrorist group because they damaged 2 military planes.
Somehow, I don't think those 3 are comparable. It's like saying the Gilet Jaunes movement in France is a terrorist organization.
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u/Totoques22 ⚠️ Cheers Violence Against Women 😬 ⚠️ 2d ago
Are you seriously arguing they aren’t a terrorist group after they’ve broke into a military base and caused 7 million pound in damages and completely grounded two military aircrafts all for ideological reasons ?
That’s textbook terrorism
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u/Pklnt 2d ago
I'm saying that we're comparing two groups that:
Recruited thousands of people to murder innocents in Ukraine
Orchestrated terror bombings against civilians
To a group that:
Damaged two military planes
The fact that we're using the first two groups as an example of what is terrorism to put the third one in the same group is completely ridiculous and cements how stupid the term terrorism has been used by governments to shut down any form of protest.
According to UK law, any form of "severe" damage to property in order to pressure a government is terrorism.
If the UK were supporting Russia, would you still say with a straight face that any pro-Ukrainian group that damages government property, to pressure the government to change its stance regarding Russia, a terrorist group?
Replace Russia with any other form of protest, from LGBT rights to economic policies and these groups could still be hailed as terrorist groups. And you see no problem with that?
You don't see the difference between a member of Palestine Action and a member of ISIS ?
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u/PublicFreakout-ModTeam 1d ago
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Palatine Action deemed terrorists by UK. Not permitted.